The A’s Might Have the Next J.D. Martinez

Me, I’m kind of sick of hearing about J.D. Martinez. I’m sick of hearing about all the free agents. All I want is for the ones who’ll get jobs to get jobs so that we can move on with all our affairs. Seems like Martinez is destined to end up in Boston. Arizona is reportedly trying to stay involved by playing with what present and future money they have, but you can never really tell what information is just out there because Scott Boras wants it to be. It would remain surprising if Martinez doesn’t spend 2018 in a Red Sox uniform. Someone will simply have to give in.

To Martinez’s credit, a lot of us probably do take him for granted. When you talk about free agency, you talk about the future, but Martinez has put together a remarkable past. At least as far as the recent era goes, Martinez is among the original so-called swing-changers. He’s a daily reminder that even the Astros don’t get everything right. And, since 2014, 289 players have batted in the majors at least 1,000 times, and Martinez has ranked fifth in wRC+, between Bryce Harper and Paul Goldschmidt. Martinez isn’t much of a runner, and he isn’t much of a defender, and he turned 30 years old in August. Guy can hit, though. He was perfect for the home-run era, even before the era began.

That’s an introduction about J.D. Martinez. Now let’s use him to talk about somebody else.

Martinez, clearly, is one of the better hitters around. That much is evident, no matter where you look. But for no real good reason, I got to wondering which hitters are similar to him. I didn’t have any conclusion in mind. I wasn’t sure where the numbers might lead. It was sort of aimless spread-sheeting, on a day with little else to do. I went back to an old methodological well.

What are some distinguishing traits, as hitters go? One, I’d say, is exit velocity. Another is launch angle. To get that information, I used Baseball Savant. But those numbers don’t tell us much about approach or discipline. So for a third trait, there’s contact rate. And, for a fourth, I like in-zone swing rate minus out-of-zone swing rate. You could argue for out-of-zone swing rate alone, or for regular swing rate alone, but, just stick with me. This is all experimental. I just like where this approach took me.

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I gathered 2017 regular-season data for every hitter who hit at least 100 batted balls. For all four statistical categories, I calculated the standard deviations, and then I compared every hitter to J.D. Martinez. For every hitter, for each of the four stats, I found the absolute value of the difference, in standard deviations. Then, at last, I added the four values up, to generate something of a comp score. The lower the number, the stronger the comparison. No, of course this isn’t perfect. Of course there are elements the analysis leaves out. But I also like this for its relative simplicity. And so with no further delay, here are the ten most similar hitters to 2017 J.D. Martinez.

J.D. Martinez 2017 Comparables
Player EV LA O – Z% Contact% Comp Score
J.D. Martinez 91.2 15.4 40.9% 70.7%
Matt Olson 90.5 14.9 38.9% 70.0% 0.9
Khris Davis 92.1 14.2 43.3% 69.0% 1.4
Josh Donaldson 90.5 13.6 38.2% 74.4% 1.8
Gregory Bird 89.7 20.2 40.6% 71.3% 1.8
Cody Bellinger 89.6 16.2 36.2% 69.7% 1.8
Justin Upton 88.6 15.5 36.8% 71.7% 2.0
Domingo Santana 89.4 10.2 41.3% 70.0% 2.1
Jorge Bonifacio 87.7 14.4 43.4% 70.7% 2.1
Freddie Freeman 89.7 15.8 43.2% 76.5% 2.1
Nelson Cruz 92.8 12.4 36.3% 70.6% 2.2
SOURCE: Baseball Savant
Exit velocity and launch angle taken from Baseball Savant. Minimum 100 batted balls.

Because this is something I made up, it’s not like we know what a “close” comp score is, generally speaking. A comp score of 2.0 or 5.0 doesn’t immediately mean anything, in the way that a .300 batting average would. Yet still, a leaderboard is a leaderboard, and there are a lot of quality hitters in that list. As, I suppose, there should be. I’m guessing Boras wants to sell Martinez as someone who could age like Nelson Cruz. As you look at the table, you see that Martinez’s second-closest comp is Khris Davis, by a decent margin. There’s just one more name in front of him. Martinez’s most comparable hitter would appear to be Matt Olson. Olson’s the only guy with a comp score under 1.

Across the board, the numbers are almost identical. And Olson, in case you missed it, generated a 162 wRC+, over the limited sample of 59 games. When you see that kind of performance, and you see that kind of sample size, you’d be right to mentally fold in some regression. Probably the most unsustainable element of Olson’s rookie season was his hitting just two doubles to go with 24 homers. But this analysis is also supportive. Olson hit the ball very hard. Can’t fake that. Olson put the ball in the air. Always has. Olson made a below-average rate of contact, but that rate wasn’t low enough to sink him, even against the most advanced competition he’d ever seen. Never mind the triple-slash line; just based on skills, Olson as a rookie was believably good. Here is Matt Olson at his rookie peak.

Between Olson and Martinez, the offensive profiles are similar, with track record being the major difference. Of course, there are more differences beyond that — Olson’s a lefty and Martinez is a righty, and Martinez runs a little faster. Martinez, also, has been a threat to all fields, while rookie Olson was mostly just a threat to right and up the middle. Martinez, lastly, is more aggressive, more willing to go after the first pitch. Maybe that’s something Olson could learn, or maybe it’s something Olson prefers not to do. No two players are exactly alike, and Matt Olson will chart his own course.

It’s not as if Olson and Martinez are linked by fate. Martinez has blossomed into something extraordinary, and Olson’s still in the process of proving himself. The takeaway for me, however, is that if Olson does manage to keep it together, he could be the specific kind of threat Martinez has been. The swing and miss will stay there, almost certainly, but any given contact could mean four bases. The evidence is in the table above. Olson has shown he has the skills. As we prepare for the season ahead, I find myself intrigued by the A’s. I don’t know if they can actually mount a wild-card run, but what they’ve been missing is stars. Olson looks like a partial solution to that.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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LHPSU
8 years ago

The conclusion I get from the article is that Khris Davis has been changing his jersey and pretending to be another player so that he could hit twice in the lineup.

erikfanclubpresMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Amazing what swinging from the left side can do for one’s complexion!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Olson’s arm is way better.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He was a fantastic pitcher in high school. He once started against us and opened with 25 straight strikes. I don’t think he threw a ball until there was two outs in the 3rd inning.

BigChief
8 years ago

I think my favorite homeruns to watch are the ones hit so high/far that the camera man can’t follow it so there’s like three seconds of random camera motion as they try to find the ball in the air, giving up and then trying to figure out which fans are standing up to catch it… the lack of crowd in this instance made the job particularly difficult.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I think there are two issues with trying to figure out what the heck happens to Olson, both of which Jeff mentioned briefly (I think) but I don’t think he really dove deep into either one:

1) What happens to his BABIP, especially since he can’t keep up that insane HR/FB rate? I think it’s pretty safe to say that his .238 BABIP and HR/FB is an outlier. If he starts whacking more doubles and fewer homers, his rate stats will decline but not anywhere near as much if those homers turn into long flyouts. To answer that, we’d probably want to look at some granular batted ball data, which I am not able to do at all.

2) How will his pull tendencies play relative to shifting when teams have more time to adjust to him? Dave’s article on Kyle Schwarber is burned into my brain; it is about how pull-happy lefties do differently than pull-happy righties. Is that why Olson’s BABIP was so low? Martinez became an all-fields threat, can Olson? And if he doesn’t, how many homers does he have to whack?

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Olson would have had 4 or 5 doubles which would have been a little less outlierish but he got thrown out 2 or 3 times.

He not fast.

Justin CMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If he’s hitting the ball in the air that much, he probably hits more popups than grounders into the shift. Either way, neither of those options point to a BABIP anywhere near league average.

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  Justin C

Olson has ran a babip in the 285-300 range for his whole minor league career. I’m sure once he stops hitting *all* the balls out of play it will sit pretty comfortably in that range.

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  Towel

.298 BABIP in AAA in 2017 to go along with a solid batting line including a good amount of power in what I have heard is the worst power park in all of the minors in Nashville.

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  jmsdean477

Nashville worst power park in the PCL and especially bad on LH power

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  Towel

I think the Nashville park is part of the reason Barreto is getting dinged a bit on the rankings, since his MLB line shouldnt matter much for a what 20 year old at the time. He lost some power compared to most years in the worst power park in Milb

mplais
8 years ago
Reply to  jmsdean477

the super high K% last year in his short time in the bigs hasn’t helped either I’d have to imagine. he’s still super young though, this is nowhere near where he’ll peak as a player

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Towel

I do think that pull hitters suffer a little more by the mlb jump than conservative profile hitters.

In mlb more shifts are used (not just infield but also outfield positioning) and gloves are better so you can’t as easily hit through the defenders with raw power.hard hit balls help babip but mlb defenders handle balls smoked close to or at them better.

They could shift in mlb but they play defense to develope defenders not to win.

Obviously he is not a 240 babip guy but I think it will be mostly 270-280.

OddBall Herrera
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, being a powerful pull hitter from the left hand side, with contact issues, makes me think that Matt Olson’s ceiling looks a lot more like Chris Davis than J.D. Martinez. But hey, Chris Davis with a 5% better K rate is pretty badass in itself.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

The issue with any Chris Davis comp is you have to ask yourself which Chris Davis we’re comping him to. Depending on which year you pick, you are either saying he’s barely above replacement level or an MVP candidate.

Ryan Howard is another possible comp (he pulled the ball a lot too), and at early-career Howard was a real beast. Brandon Moss also fits the bill.

hipsterdoofus
8 years ago

I thought Jose Martinez was the next JD Martinez

J.D. MartinMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  hipsterdoofus

The real question though is what letter does Jose’s middle name begin with?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

Alberto. JA Martinez doesn’t quite have the same ring.

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Just Another Martinez?

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

Yoooo JD Martin you just signed today!

J.D. MartinMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  carter

Unlike the other JDM, this ol’ fella knows when he won’t find a better offer

pedeysRSox
8 years ago

It’s also curious that Olson compares well to Eric Thames (as Thames last year had similar batted ball tendencies to J.D Martinez over the last 3 years)

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

I don’t love the Ks and the pull heavy approach will probably limit his babip a little especially at his speed but the contact is below average but not super terrible in this age. also he can take a walk which can make his bat play up a little from the 40 or so he got (probably rightfully considering the mix of Ks and pulling which limits the BA potential).

maybe he can become an adam dunn type. people see that as an insult because they remember old dunn but for 10 years dunn hit about 245 with a 380 obp and 40 HRs for 10 years before he broke down.

I think this is really the ceiling for guys like bellinger, hoskins or olson. people hope they will become 300 hitters but I think with 25+% Ks and the pull/elevate approach something like 255 or so is more realistic.

people see that as an insult because they want their prospect to become miggy and hit 320 with 35 HRs but 70+ bat and 70+ is really super rare.

if those guys hit 260/360/500 in their prime that would really be a great outcome.

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Probably worth noting that while he may have had only two (I think) HRs to left in the majors, over his minor league career he’s a little more line to line. Still leans to pull but not so heavy.

The book on Olson this year was clearly pound him inside, but as Zach Britton learned, he can really get to that pitch. Inside pitches end up in RF though. Interesting to see how they’ll attack him this season.

southie
8 years ago
Reply to  Towel

That wasn’t Zach Britton. Maybe in name only.

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

96, sink, half a foot inside off the plate at the knees. Looks pretty Brittonish to me.

https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2017/08/13/1724346783/1502663685906/asset_1800K.mp4

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  Towel

You have to look at minors numbers only recently to get a real picture though as he did a bunch of changes to his swing in the last season and a half with totally different set positions, and somewhat different approaches. He was more aggressive this season then last both in and out of the zone, and hit more OZ contact while losing like 6 points on IZ, his swing percent jumped a little overall. Although thats comparing a reasonable number of PA this season with a fairly small Sept callup from last.

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I watched almost every at bat he took in the majors last year. The exit velo is real on the grounders too. He hits the ball really hard so his grounders arnt easy gimmies. He seems to have ok speed actually, but he is one of those big long dudes who takes a while to accelerate. The thing that seemed to drive down his babip last season was that a lot of his smoked line drives that were all the missing doubles were just right at outfielders, just drilled straight into there glove like he was aiming for it. If he can learn to find the gaps more with that kind of contact theres no tracking those balls down before they bounce off something.

otis
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Hoskins simply doesn’t belong with the other two names you listed. He’s not a high K% guy, he makes way more contact than Bellinger and Olson, swings less, walks more, and, he’s a RHH. Hoskins does practice the pull/elevate approach but I think, for the most part, that’s where the similarities end.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  otis

Yes, shouldn’t have put hoskins in there, he is more an average K guy. I think he will be more like bautista. Lowish BABIPs but great k-bb ratios.

I think due that like bautista he will still be “only” a 265 hitter (19% Ks, 280 babip or so) but of course bautista was really elite.

The average thing is more interesting for fantasy purposes were the approach could make the average play under the contact rate. Still nice obp and power combo but don’t pay for a 290 average in the draft just by looking at his K rate.

Rgoodman18
8 years ago

I want to get into the community research blog, but some of the excel/stats stuff is a bit new to me. I understand what you did, but I’m not sure how to make my computer do it. Could I email you to ask what the steps were you took to find the guys that comped well w/ J.D. and build that table? Thanks

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

Matt Olson looks like one of those kids at Williamsport whose too big for the field.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  carter

IIRC, Franceourstein actually pitched against him in HS. Said he was a beast, even compared to guys like Clint Frazier (who he also pitched against).

(sorry to steal your thunder, but it’s a good story)

capconstrained
8 years ago

I’d bet on Greg Bird being the most likely next J.D. Martinez from that list

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  capconstrained

Certainly has the DL part down.

Aduhey
8 years ago

This means the A’s will be trading Olson at the deadline.

erikfanclubpresMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Aduhey

What a funny and original thought!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Aduhey

Nah, he’s got several years before he hits arbitration.

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  Aduhey

They are going to doubly smack you down before the first game by signing him and Chapman to 7+ year extensions. The team has way more then enough money since they are still 25-30mm below there normal budgets. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see OAK offer 1/23mm to JA or Cobb if they want a one year deal in a pitchers park. I think they are waiting to opportunistically buy on any FA left late that they have room for, ie pitching mostly or an OF/C position wise. Anyone they grab like that can either help them be a contender or get traded to one mid season.

tb.25
8 years ago

That swing is fun to watch. Effortless power.

Now, the whiffs I’d expect likely wouldn’t be as fun to watch.

kdallas
8 years ago
Reply to  tb.25

Agreed – i’d never seen video of him hitting . . . no idea he was so monsterous or that his swing is so easy

bartelsjason
8 years ago

Olson will be 24 all season, so there is less of a worry about him aging poorly with that size in a few years. He’s young.

chuckbMember since 2016
8 years ago
jmwRSMember since 2020
8 years ago

Martinez doesn’t have bad platoon splits. Unless Olson’s one of those special few LHH that can hit southpaws (he hit .196 against lefties in 2017) it’s hard to imagine him having a ceiling like JD Martinez. JD absolutely mashes lefties (.376 avg in 2017) and he’s better than avg neutral against RHP (.283 in 2017).

I think he’s probably something between Rake Lamb and JD, power closer to JD’s, avg/hitting ability closer to Lambs.

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago
Reply to  jmwRS

Rake is a great baseball name actually. Sounds like a WW2 guy you probably haven’t heard of.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago

My Lord, that ball was absolutely walloped. Where did it even land?

ashlandateam
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

We’ll let you know when it does.

ccctl
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

It missed hitting the third outfield deck by about 10 feet. Longest HR in Citizens Bank in the last 4 years (483′).

Better video, with ‘holy shit’ look on Rhys Hoskins’ face:

https://www.mlb.com/video/olsons-two-run-homer/c-1833697783

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  ccctl

Are you sure that expression doesn’t mean “challenge accepted”?

Towel
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

I hope not because I’m pretty sure Rhys went hitless that series

ccctl
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Quite sure.

Hoskins’ last HR of the year was the day before. After that Olson bomb, Hoskins caught a bad case of Projectile Disfunction – 7 hits over the last 16 games of the season (including that one).

NickRL41
8 years ago

Found video of him in high school… oh my god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NiKRvXXx0

jmsdean477
8 years ago

He looks way more dangerous and much better strike out wise if you dont look at his early june/july numbers when he ran a 40% k rate and looked lost. His Aug/Sept numbers after he came back up and played regularly are really nice then. Since his early numbers were like .100BA with a ton of Ks. Just about the only thing going for him in his first call up was 4HR in a limited number of AB’s.
First half 36%K rate 184/310/449
Second half 24%K rate with a lower walk rate as well 286/367/721 183WRC+ .442 WOBA

K% Month
June 33%
July 41%
Aug 26%
Sept 22%

Thats a kid figuring it out, hopefully he keeps learning without any major holes opening up since with those crazy long arms he can cover the whole plate really well. Turns hard on the inside stuff and can get to stuff way outside if reaching.

FilNowMember since 2017
8 years ago

Jorge Bonifacio on the list is interesting. Scouts dislike him for ‘bad body’ and his prospect shine was tarnished several years ago. I’m not sure what this says about him other than he is worth another look.

Alan
8 years ago

Great article. This statistical comparison could be more conclusive if the players faced the same competition in the same ballparks, so JDM should sign with Oakland for the sake of science.