The Cardinals’ Potential Rotation Problem

The Cardinals don’t have a rotation problem. Which is to say, they don’t have a rotation problem right now. What they do have — as the title of this post suggests — is a potential problem in the first few months of the season if the current members of the rotation underachieve. For most teams with fine rotations — like the Cardinals — the cause for concern is a lack of depth. That is not, however, the Cardinals’ issue at the moment. The Cardinals’ potential issue is that their current sixth and seventh starter might be significantly better than the pitchers in their starting five.

While the Cardinals do not have an endless supply of starters ready to take the ball every fifth day, the team does have seven pitchers projected for at least league-average performance this season. The evidence supporting such a claim is below, taken from our Depth Charts.

Cardinals Starting Rotation Projections
Name IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA FIP WAR
Carlos Martinez 204 9.1 3.1 0.9 3.55 3.63 4.2
Adam Wainwright 142 6.8 2.8 1.0 4.27 4.17 2.0
Michael Wacha 165 8.3 3.0 1.1 4.00 3.91 2.8
Luke Weaver 147 8.6 2.5 1.1 3.79 3.79 2.7
Miles Mikolas 120 8.0 2.5 1.3 4.15 4.16 1.7
Alex Reyes 94 10.3 4.6 0.9 3.81 3.89 1.6
Jack Flaherty 46 8.1 3.1 1.2 4.23 4.32 0.6

It should be pretty easy to see why the Cardinals don’t appear to have a rotation problem. The first five guys in the rotation all project as average to above-average pitchers, and the Cardinals possess two more pitchers waiting in the wings who should be able to do the same. Now, let’s take the numbers above, and scale them to 180 innings.

Cardinals Starting Rotation Projections
Name IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA FIP WAR WAR/180
Carlos Martinez 204 9.1 3.1 0.9 3.55 3.63 4.2 3.7
Luke Weaver 147 8.6 2.5 1.1 3.79 3.79 2.7 3.3
Alex Reyes 94 10.3 4.6 0.9 3.81 3.89 1.6 3.1
Michael Wacha 165 8.3 3.0 1.1 4.00 3.91 2.8 3.1
Miles Mikolas 120 8.0 2.5 1.3 4.15 4.16 1.7 2.6
Adam Wainwright 142 6.8 2.8 1 4.27 4.17 2 2.5
Jack Flaherty 46 8.1 3.1 1.2 4.23 4.32 0.6 2.3

Even here, there still isn’t a noticeable problem. In fact, the quality of rotation arms the Cardinals can roll out this season is near the best in baseball. I scaled all of our Depth Chart Projections for starting pitchers to 180 innings — for starters projected to make at least three starts — and looked at the number of decent starters per team. The graph below shows the number of starters on each team with a projected WAR/180 IP of at at least 2.0 this season.

More than half of the teams in the league lack five starters who project as average. The poor White Sox only have one, Carlos Rodon, and he’s set to start the season on the disabled list. The Los Angeles Dodgers top the list, though one of their highly projected pitchers is Julio Urias, who is out until at least the summer. The Arizona Diamondbacks face a similar situation with Shelby Miller, who is likely out until July after Tommy John surgery last May. The Cardinals have a slight caveat here, as well: Alex Reyes is coming back from Tommy John surgery, too. He had his procedure performed last February. He’s already pitching to batters, but the Cardinals have set a target date of May 1 to return. Regardless, the Cardinals have enviable starting pitching depth.

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The potential problem lies in the Cardinals’s choice to start potentially mediocre pitchers ahead of more talented pitchers available in the minor leagues. If the projections above are correct, Alex Reyes is the Cardinals’ third-best starter, and he’s not too far off from second. Reyes pitched brilliantly in his debut in 2016, posting a combined 2.67 FIP and a 1.57 ERA between his starting and relief work; he had a 2.48 FIP in his five starts. He entered 2017 as one of the top-10 prospects in baseball — sixth at FanGraphs — before undergoing Tommy John surgery. Missing a season still put him at 16th this year. He’s got top-of-the-rotation stuff, and right now the question is how long the Cardinals will wait to call on him.

Any decision on Reyes can be put off at least a month, but a potential Jack Flaherty issue could rear its head a little sooner. Flaherty doesn’t have the prospect cachet Reyes does, ranking a solid 65th this year. In the 22-year-old righty’s debut last season, his results were mixed, with walks and homers hurting his numbers in a small, 21.1-inning sample. This spring, Flaherty came to camp with an improved sinker to complement his slider, and he’s struck out 20 of the 54 (37%) batters he’s faced, surrendering five walks. In his last two starts, he struck out 15 batters in nine innings against just three walks. We don’t want to factor spring performance into our expectations too much, but Flaherty’s projection right now says he is a slightly above-average starter. If his strikeout rates in Triple-A this year move up from the 25% he put up in the minors last year, his projections might be on the low side.

As the projections stand now, Flaherty is still No. 7 on the depth chart and not deserving of a rotation spot. But that position is not set in stone, due both to Flaherty’s own performance and that of the Cardinals pitchers ahead of him. The starters ahead of Flaherty have some risk and downside. Some poor batted-ball luck in the first half of 2017 ruined an otherwise decent 3.81 FIP, but Adam Wainwright acknowledges he pitched poorly in the second half of last season. The tall righty walked more players than he struck out, had an ugly 6.08 FIP, and managed to pitch just 26.1 innings. His velocity was way down and his curve suffered.

Wainwright had surgery in the offseason on his right elbow that was meant to clean up his arm and fix the velocity issue. He has gotten outs in spring training, but the real test will come in a little over a week when he is asked to turn over a lineup multiple times. It’s possible Wainwright will pitch to his projections or match his production from the first half of last season. If that’s the case, Flaherty and Reyes aren’t going to be big improvements over what Wainwright has to offer. If Wainwright’s less than average, though, the the issue of if or when to replace him comes into play. One bad start won’t do it. What about two? What if it is three out of four, but he showed signs of getting it together in that one good start? How long the team sticks with a struggling starter could make a big difference in the standings at the end of the year.

Decisions made in March shouldn’t be so easily changed in April, but if Wainwright struggles, the Cardinals organization is going to be faced with a tough question regarding their former ace, who is one of the better pitchers in franchise history. The problem might not be limited to Wainwright. Miles Mikolas is coming over from three years of pitching in Japan, and his adjustment could come with some hurdles. Michael Wacha has battled injuries in the past. Luke Weaver could be the team’s second-best starter, but he has fewer than 100 major-league innings and had a rough finish to last year.

Generally, these problems work themselves out. Unfortunately, somebody will probably get hurt or be so ineffective that they lose their spot. Even still, being forced to constantly evaluate the rotation could potentially create a problem, especially if the Cardinals get off to a slow start. The team landed Marcell Ozuna in the offseason, but there were calls to do more. The team has lowered their payroll despite incredible attendance and a new local TV deal that kicks in this season.

A year ago, seven starters made 159 of 162 starts for St. Louis. Of those seven, Lance Lynn and Mike Leake are gone, but Mikolas and Reyes should replace them nicely. If the Cardinals can have their seven-best starters take the ball for nearly every game, they should be in very good shape. How to distribute those starts could pose a problem, albeit one many teams would envy.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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Kevbot034
8 years ago

I am sure he doesn’t factor in this season, but do you make anything of Dakota Hudson? I can’t help but thinking that as soon as next year the Cardinals could have a full homegrown rotation of Martinez, Reyes, Weaver, Flarhety and Hudson. Not that they probably would, but they could.

stanMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I think Hudson’s in a group with Gomber, Helsley, Gant and maybe Poncedeleon of guys who will have to wait their turn for the 6th starter role.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Why would they start Hudson over Wacha (who don’t forget is also homegrown)? Also, if Mikolas is good, he’ll be under contract for one more year. The rest is certainly accurate, though

Kevbot034
8 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I don’t think Wacha’s health is safe enough to trust long term, but that’s a lot of doom and gloom. I also wonder if his stuff wouldn’t just play better in the bullpen sometimes.

sphenreckson
8 years ago

I feel like not having 7 good starters would be more of a problem for a contending team than having them…

jfree
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

Esp if having 8 good pitchers might create an even bigger problem

sphenreckson
8 years ago
Reply to  sphenreckson

The Giants wish they had this “problem”.

Cube Jockey
8 years ago

Just from the headline, I assumed the problem the author was referring to was having to rely on Matheny to sort out the rotation.

stanMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  Cube Jockey

I think the team has taken that responsibility away from him. I think Mike Maddux is completely running the show when it comes to all pitching matters. This is outstanding news for all Cardinals fans because the fewer decisions Mike Matheny has to make, the better.

rp90
8 years ago

The Cardinals seem not to want to give Reyes more than 100 or so innings. So, running him out there as a starter beginning May 1 is not really an option, unfortunately.

EazyB72
8 years ago
Reply to  rp90

The sense the Cards are giving off is that Reyes will likely spend the season in the bullpen in some capacity. Im sure that could change at some point, but that’s where it seems things are going now.

stanMember since 2019
8 years ago

In this day and age of the 10 day disabled list, I don’t think 6-7 starters is a problem, its more like a requirement. That’s especially true for playoff contenders who figure to play anywhere from 5 to 19 extra games and need to preserve their best arms for that ordeal.

EazyB72
8 years ago
Reply to  stan

I can tell you as well, that the way the Dodgers used the DL with their pitching staff last year raised tons of eyebrows amongst other NL teams. As Mo said, “maybe the Dodgers were just unlucky”. I can assure you, that other teams will look to do more of the same this year, and I’d include the Cardinals in that. Thankfully, they have the 40 man roster to warrant it.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  stan

Maybe for the lesser starters, but you’re not going to be using that trick to rest your best starters short of a legitimate injury. You need those guys to take the ball every fifth game in order to maximize your chances of making the playoffs in the first place.

Kyle Sharamitaro
8 years ago

Dakota Hudson looked very good today, as well.

Cards have enviable pitching depth, both in the pen and in the rotation.

Mike Maddux… here’s your cue! Don’t mess this up!

JayMember since 2023
8 years ago

The Cardinals need to take a page out of the Dodgers book and make liberal use of the 10-day DL. If Wainwright is bad for 3 straight starts while Flaherty is dominating in AAA Mo might not feel ready to tell his franchise icon to call it a career, but he should be prepared to diagnose Wainwright with “fatigue” for a couple of starts and see if Flaherty is ready for the big time.

EazyB72
8 years ago
Reply to  Jay

I would predict this sorta thing will totally happen. I can see Wanios last season as a Cardinals have about 22 starts or so.

njh19
8 years ago

Wouldn’t you want to consider a marginal WAR/IP ratio or a more realistic IP projection for each starter as you scale to account for pitcher mileage? e.g. I would expect Reyes’ WAR/IP to trail off at a quicker clip than Martinez.

Joe Joe
8 years ago

When I scale Astros starters to 180 innings, I count 7 with 2 WAR with Whitley just missing. Are Peacock and McHugh being excluded because they will start in the pen?

scotman144Member since 2016
8 years ago

A former boss of mine liked to say “There are no problems: only opportunities.”

This one’s an easier spin than most.

potcircle
8 years ago

Marlins have 0?

RadermecherMember since 2018
8 years ago

Twins get Lance Lynn.
Cubs get Yu Darvish.
Cards,M.Mikolas.
Nuff Said.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Radermecher

It’s probably 50/50 whether Mikolas is better than Lynn this year, or vice-versa.

Besides, why do the Cards care who the Twins get?

Tyler BurchMember since 2020
8 years ago

My guess is Reyes spends most of this year in the bullpen and transitions to a starting role in 2019.

Mahoney
8 years ago
Reply to  Tyler Burch

Makes sense. Kind of similar to what they did with Martinez.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Wainwright and Lynn, as well.

tdouglas
8 years ago

I’ve been getting a few downvotes for bringing up the lower payroll/new TV deal thing, but I kind of understand why. Pretty much all spots are locked up, and there are too many starters as it is, like you point out; Austin Gomber could be an average starter as soon as this year, and he isn’t mentioned. Helsley and Hudson might not be far behind. I think STL was really counting on bringing in a large salary (Donaldson, Machado, or Stanton), and when all three fell through, they were left scrambling. Hopefully that cash goes towards the 2019 mega-class, but I’m skeptical.

For 2018, however, a reasonable Holland deal still makes a ton of sense for them.

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

Not really scrambling, as they still got the big bat they wanted in Ozuna. He just happens to be relatively affordable, and like you said the rest of the spots are pretty much locked up. With the lone exception of Wainwright, all the starters (both position players and pitchers) are under contract or team control for at least 2019 as well. I expect the Cardinals to spend big in the 2019-2020 offseason when Ozuna, Wacha, and Mikolas are free agents and potentially Carpenter and Gyorko as well.

Lanidrac
8 years ago

Reyes may have the raw talent to be better than many of the others, but you should expect a drop-off in performance in his first year back from Tommy John Surgery. Furthermore, he’s going to be on a strict innings limit, so the Cardinals expect to utilize him mostly in the bullpen in order to keep him available for September and potentially October.

As you said, Flaherty is not even projected to be one of their five best starters right now (especially after his horrible cup of coffee last September), so it’s an easy choice to start him off in AAA. Likewise, I agree these “problems” usually work themselves out, so there’s no real harm in seeing what Wainwright and Mikolas have left in the tank for at least a couple of months before making any non injury related changes.

aschrag83
8 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

FWIW, Flaherty had a 4.41 xFIP during that cup of coffee. He wasn’t good by any means, but it looks like a fluky HR/FB (21%) was the only thing that was really “horrible” about it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

Yeah man, I don’t know. With the way pitchers get hurt, having seven average or above starters is pretty much the ideal.

Especially since Reyes will probably only pitch about 90-100 innings this year (source: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/goold-wainwright-draws-his-dream-bp-gets-to-face-rookie/article_e6b9d7eb-d0a3-5128-b860-cf01485bd3a1.html)

Just bring Reyes along slowly, stick Flaherty in AAA until someone gets hurt (which won’t be long), and go from there.

Redneck Redbird
8 years ago

The real concern is keeping the talented starters as starting pitchers. Sometimes the bullpen can have an adverse effect on a pitcher. Reyes, Flaherty, Hudson, Helsley, Hicks, Gomber, and Fernandez should all continue as starters to continue development. I think Lucas, Mayers, Brebbia, etc. will provide plenty of depth options for the bullpen.

Billy Corman
8 years ago

Wainwright out with a stiff hammie today.

Redneck Redbird
8 years ago
Reply to  Billy Corman

Flaherty is here! 😀