The Cleveland Indians, Now Playing Catch Up

We didn’t envision April going like this. The Cleveland Indians received 35 total votes for a playoff appearance in our 2015 preseason staff predictions, the most out of any team in the American League. Four weeks after those predictions were published, Cleveland finds themselves 7-14 — seven and a half games back of the Royals in the AL Central — tied for the biggest deficit in any division outside of the one containing the Brewers.

If we’re searching for a silver lining, the early going hasn’t been easy schedule-wise, with six games against Detroit that resulted in one win and a few bullpen implosions that have ended up as walk-off losses. Those one-run games on the road are the types of results that can easily swing win/loss records; however, if we look at Cleveland’s Pythagorean W/L, it gives us only an ever-so-slightly healthier 8-13. Alas, we can’t simply blame many of their losses on volatile one-run results.

Still, as we like to point out here in the early going, losses count in April just like wins do, and Cleveland has now gone from trendy sleepers in the division to having to play catch up against two fast-starting squads in Kansas City and Detroit. Before the season began, we gave Cleveland a 43% probability of winning the Central with 86 projected wins, and after yesterday’s results, that figure now stands at 13.4% and 82 projected wins.

We always knew this was going to be an unstable, competitive division; we also knew the situation in Cleveland had the potential to go really wrong given the reliance on a young pitching staff and shaky bullpen. Both of those considerations have proven themselves valid in the early going. However, it’s the way that those considerations have validated themselves which is interesting, and points toward an element of the game we didn’t put enough stock in.

The main component we counted on being present for success this year in Cleveland — the talented pitching rotation — has been there. The Indians have the fourth-best FIP of any starting pitching staff in the majors; unfortunately, they also have the eighth-worst ERA. Here is that vast chasm between expected outcomes and actual outcomes visualized with the help of Sean Dolinar, which you can roll over for some fun interactivity:

Finding Cleveland isn’t too hard. They’re the team with the really long line toward the bottom of the chart, the one that isn’t the Red Sox. That chasm, as you can probably guess, is due to the poor defense of the 2014 iteration of the Indians carrying over to this season. Perhaps we didn’t count on the defense continuing to be this bad this season in our preseason projections: after all, improvement had to come, right? There was really only one place to go from last year’s historically bad defensive season, and that was up. Yet here we are:

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As Mike explained last week, a lot of this is on the Cleveland pitchers posting a DRS of -8 at their position so far, accounting for over half of the negative run value for the entire team. And, to be fair, UZR likes Cleveland a lot more than DRS does. It’s still early to put a lot of stock in defensive metrics (or much of any), but the fears over the continuation of last year’s terrible defense are substantiated by the early returns, and even the eye test. Cleveland doesn’t look comfortable on defense, and I could post any number of GIFs of weird errors and strange defensive decisions they’ve made so far in 2015. I will spare you that.

Cleveland has a BABIP against of .352, 18 points higher than the next team in the league. Some of that is surely luck, yes, but a lot of it is the guys in the field who are supposed to prevent those BIPs from becoming BA. The Indians were counting on their pitchers carrying them this year, and by the FIP numbers, they’ve done their part. Unfortunately, you can’t strike out every batter, and by the very nature of human will and endeavor, balls will be put into play. For the Indians’ pitching staff, this simple truth haunts them.

The crux of the issue: the Cleveland defense can’t simply hope to improve. It must improve, or else Cleveland is going to have a hard time being a good pitching team, which is what they’re built around. That’s a unique position to be in: usually defense is a smaller piece of the puzzle, or a positive trait that certain clubs build around. Team-wide defense doesn’t often strongly skew the performance of your pitchers on an everyday basis. But that’s exactly what happened in Cleveland last year, and it’s what has happened so far in 2015. Defense isn’t solely to blame for this team’s struggles: they haven’t hit much, they’ve had some bad luck, and the bullpen has been terrible. However, this team was built to excel in one particular area of the game, and that area is being impacted by poor fielding.

Now let’s bring in a graphic we’ve been using in these pages recently, showing the difference between the actual winning percentage and the forecasted rest of season winning percentage of all 30 clubs:

Actual-Win-vs-Projected-Win-2015-04-30

Let’s put it this way: Cleveland is a bit like Washington in how they’ve both started, but Cleveland has far less room for error in their division. Washington’s big advantage in the NL East has been more or less erased by the Mets; for Cleveland, there wasn’t really an advantage to begin with, so stumbling out of the gates while Detroit and Kansas City surge ahead means they now have to play catch up.

To that point, the Indians are projected by our site to play .529 baseball for the rest of the season. This team is obviously not a .333 winning percentage team over 162 games: there are signs their bats might be starting to awaken after a slow start, and the hope is that the bullpen can’t be as bad as it’s looked. And, given the early going, the pitching staff looks about as great as expected if everyone stays healthy. Unfortunately, .529 baseball almost certainly isn’t going to cut it if they expect to win their division, or even the wild card.

Let’s say 88 wins gets the division or a wild card spot, which would be a very optimistic figure given the past few years. Assuming that, Cleveland has to have a .574 winning percentage the rest of the way. Possible? Absolutely. Think they need 90 wins to get a playoff spot? That’s a .589 percentage the rest of the way. After all, it isn’t the middle of June with Cleveland sitting on a .333 winning percentage. It’s still early, which means there’s still a lot of time to catch up.

The Indians have played some tough teams to open the season. Canvassing a few sources, they’ve played anywhere between the fifth and seventh hardest schedule of any team in 2015. Unfortunately, Cleveland has little to show for those games, and their division rivals — who they will play more often than other clubs for the remainder of the season — look strong and are responsible for almost all of their losses.

That they play both Kansas City and Detroit more often might be a blessing and a curse: on one hand, they have to play two good teams a lot this season. On the other, they better control their own final place in the standings. The playoffs are still a possibility for the Indians, but they’re doing it the hard way: there seem to be no easy fixes for their team-wide poor defense, and that will continue to impact their pitching in ways that are difficult to predict.





Owen Watson writes for FanGraphs and The Hardball Times. Follow him on Twitter @ohwatson.

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Ricky A.
11 years ago

You hit the nail on the head. Of the modest transactions the Indians made in the offseason, not one addressed what should have been their biggest concern: this team just cannot play defense. I truly think it affects the pitchers’ collective mentality too. They have to be perfect, or they just might turn around and watch a line drive sail over Mike Aviles’ head in centerfield.

Lindor has been hailed as the defensive savior, but last time I checked he is not eligible to play all nine positions at once. I’m not saying they can’t win 90 games with this core, I’m just saying this team will continue to struggle until they make a commitment to bringing in peripheral players that are defensively sound. Their bench, depending on the day, consists of Mike Aviles, Ryan Raburn, and David Murphy. Those guys are wonderful bench players in some respects, but nobody is going to confuse any of them with a gold glove winner.

I’m upset now. You did this, Owen. You made me upset.

Oh, wait, no… the Indians did. Again.

Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Ricky A.

I think its too easy to say “Cleveland is still bad on defense” and leave it at that. The worst defenders (or should we call them offenders?) from last year were Murphy, Chisenhall, Kipnis, Santana, Cabrera, and Bourn.

1. Murphy doesn’t really even play in the field that much anymore, and I assume that’s a conscious decision by the team.
2. Chisenhall is somehow at 3 DFS this year after -14 in 2014. This, I think, was unexpected. They figured they would have to take their lumps at 3B this season.
3. Kipnis is at 2 DFS after -11 last year. I think they expected a bounce back to average from Kipnis now that he’s healthier, since ’11-’13 he totalled…0 DFS.
4. Santana is much closer to average at 1B compared to 3B. I think they expected some improvement once he was a full time 1B, and while that remains to be seen, he is clearly better at 1B instead of 3B so that is somewhat of an improvement there.
5. Cabrera is gone.
6. Bourn was supposed to be working on his speed and health in the offseason. He’s been playing, he’s just been bad defensively again. I think this was also unexpected because he combined for 65 DFS in the 5 years before 2014.

So of the worst defenders in 2014, for most they either made a change or had some reason for improvement (health, position change).

The best defenders from last year were the catchers (Perez and Gomes), and Ramirez. You would expect that to continue but Gomes has been hurt, Perez has been pretty underwhelming in full time duty, and Ramirez has been God-awful thus far. Somehow the best defender on the infield is statistically the worst, and there has been evidence of that from the eye test too. So between the pitchers, Ramirez, and Bourn the poor defense isn’t coming from who they expected.

The people who are calling for Lindor want him to take over SS, and move Ramirez to 2B, and replace Chisenhall with Urshela at 3B, but they may not be watching the games or looking at the small sample size of stats, because that doesn’t solve the problem so far this year.

Who knows, it may (probably will) regress to look more like last year for the individual players, but we can’t pin the blame on the same guys as before.

stuck in a slump
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Don’t forget that Murphy was a plus defender in LF for the rangers in 2012 and 2013. Adding Bourn and Murphy was supposed to bolster their defense, and Swisher was supposed to be an average 1B with awesome OBP to fix the long standing hole at that position. So, the Indians have spent on defense, but those investments went bust

Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Ricky A.

Though I do agree that Mike Aviles not catching that ball in CF was a defining moment for me in this young season. It emphasized everything wrong with this team: the shaky bullpen, the fact that the offense hadn’t scored enough runs to put that game safely in the books after 8 shutout innings, a great outing by a young starter wasted, poor defense, a manager who was being too cute by (repeatedly) playing an infielder in the OF, and stupid roster construction that essentially left the team with no backup CF.

Charles Pogacar
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I agree with what you’re saying, Mike. I guess I was just baffled before the year started that everyone was projecting them to finish the season well based on the lineup and a half season of starting pitching, and failing to mention that they were a historically bad team on defense. And, sure enough, they are bad again this season.

But you’re right, it’s an oversimplification.

Slugerrr
11 years ago

Anything you’d like to say about how wrong you all were about the defending American League Champions?

wildcard09
11 years ago
Reply to  Slugerrr

They’d probably like to say that it was April. If things still look like this in a couple months it will obviously be revisited.

Sean DolinarFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago
Reply to  Slugerrr

That we might see them playing against the Astros in the ALCS?

Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Slugerrr

Please.

I’m getting tired of the “take us seriously” Royals fans. Are all of you really so delusional to think that your entire lineup will continue hitting .300+ after the majority of them were nowhere close to that the last few years? The Royals team BABIP the last few years: .302, .300, .302. This year is .346, and while it can change some, the entire team did not become Starling Marte at the same time.

The bullpen will not go an entire year with a 1.00 ERA. That just does not happen – since 1970, the lowest bullpen ERA is 2.26 by the 1981 Yankees, so if they were to keep this up they’d not only break that record, but be less than half as high as the best bullpen ERA in the last 45 years.

This is not going to last, and lets be real – it already hasn’t. The Royals started out 7-0 and have been 8-7 since with all but one of those losses coming against the White Sox, Indians, or Twins (who have combined to win about 40% of their games so far at 25-37). Granted, if they go anything above .500 the rest of the year that puts them in the 85-90 win range, so what they’ve built up already really increases their odds of being a playoff team – but lets be serious and not act like one month of 15-7 baseball means the Royals were clearly going to win 110 games this season and the guys at fangraphs were so stupid for not predicting it.

Jon B Shuttinidiotsup
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike,

First off, your Special Education diploma is in the mail. Congrats on your accomplishment. We’re all proud of you!

Where do I even begin? You made so many stupid comments that it’s hard finding a starting point. Let’s see here..

You claim this is “one month”. Is this the first year you’ve followed baseball? The Royals are 160-111 or something like that since the All-Star break in 2013, and I believe that’s the best record in the AL.

This is just one month? You moron. This team was in the freakin’ World Series last year and had the best record in the AL after the All-Star break the year before. One month? They’ve been arguably the best AL team for a year and a half, Corky.

Okay, moving on to you next stupid argument…

Let’s see here, I’m having a hard time remember all of the dumb comments. Oh, that’s right, you mentioned how they’ve proved the 7-0 start was a fluke after going 8-7 following. WTF? So 8-7 is some horrible performance? I didn’t know bad teams went 8-7 during rough stretches. By the way, tard, you realize the Royals have been struggling with keeping players healthy, right? And, wtf? You talk like following up a 7-0 stetch with an 8-7 stretch is horrible or something. Actually, if you follow up a long winning streak with a winning record over the next 15 games, that’s pretty damn good, Corky.

Now, moving on…

Moustakas and Hosmer. They’re playing exceptionally well. They’ve been inconsistent in the past, and Moose has been downright terrible most of his career. That’s correct. But this is where it’s time for stat nerds like yourself to put down the calculator and actually watch baseball. I know, I know…that’s something you’ve never done.

Anyway, Hosmer has actually proven himself as a big leaguer, it’s just that he’s been highly inconsistent at times. He had a very good rookie year and was very good the second half of the 2013 season.

With Hosmer and Moustakas, you are talking about guys that were top 5 prospects when they got called up. You mention “projections” for your lame argument. Umm…do you even have any idea how highly regarded Hoz and Moose were coming up from the minors? They were projected to be very good big leaguers. So to think Hosmer will flame out later in the season isn’t a given, sorry.

And now Moustakas. You see, this is where watching baseball would actually help you make more accurate predictions. As I said earlier, Moose was mediocre most of his first few years. However, his problem was his inability to hit the ball to the left. That’s why teams used a drastic shift, which made it difficult for him to even get a hit when pulling the ball. Yeah, well, he has nearly as many hits to left field this year as he did the entire 2014 season. What’s that tell me and anyone with half a brain (so, not you)? That he’s finally figured it out. I know you don’t understand that. I know that it would require you to throw out projections and make an assessment based on what is actually happening on the field, but what I said is true.

I suppose you still think Alex Gordon is horrible, right? After all, his first few years in the league, he was pretty much a disaster. Then he figured it out and became a very good big leaguer. So if it happened for him, why not Moose? They were both equal prospects. Please enlighten me on how it can happen for Gordon but not Moose…

And now your next stupid point…

I agree the Royals aren’t going to continue hitting .300. Some of the players will drop. However, there are some things you forgot to mention in projecting the Royals going forward. Let’s assume a few hitters decline. What about Yodano Ventura? He’s been terrible. Isn’t it reasonable to think he will improve? Isn’t it also reasonable to think getting Holland and Rios back from injury will help the team? So even if the hitters decline, the Royals have ways to partially make up for it.

But here’s another factor you aren’t considering. The Royals don’t need to continue hitting at this clip in order to win. You forgot to mention the insane run differential, which is about +46 if I’m not mistaken – tops in baseball. The Royals are 15-7 but they’ve won many games by fairly large deficits. With this bullpen, they don’t have to beat teams 8-1. They can win 4-3 games easily because of HDH.

Are the Royals going to continue winning at a .681 clip? Doubtful. But, guess what? THEY DON’T NEED TO! 92 wins will take this division, no doubt about it. That means the Royals need to finish 77-63 (.550). So even if they decline, they can still win the division. The Royals won at a .564 clip last year (including playoffs). So all they have to do is perform slightly worse than last year going forward to win the division.

I’m sorry you’re having a hard time dealing with the fact that the Royals are good at baseball now. It must really suck knowing they’re the best team in the AL. And that’s not going to change. Instead of making excuses, just accept the fact that Kansas City has a damn good team. The more time you spend in denial, the more pathetic you will seem. Get used to it. Idiot.

meatcoat
11 years ago

…And now we have the trolling equivalent of a Yordano Ventura fastball behind the head.

Nice ambassadorship, KC people. Keep it up.

Cornflake5000
11 years ago

tldr

Mike
11 years ago

You said a lot, but you also wasted a ton of everyone’s time with the “hmm let me think” garbage. You can think before you click submit, and clean up your comment next time. Thanks. But as for the actual content that you spewed out:

It IS one month. The Red Sox won the WS in 2013 and ended up in last place in 2014. The Giants won the WS in 2012 and ended up below .500 the next year. Having a good year one year does not guarantee having a good year the next.

It is funny to me that you think Mike Moustakas’s only problem was his inability to hit the ball the opposite way. He also has never walked enough, and this year he’s walked about half as often as the last few years. He has 4 walks in 114 plate appearances…when his BABIP regresses because those hits stop dropping in, this will be a more glaring fault.

“You mention projections in your lame argument” – Go ahead and re-read everything again. I never said the word projections, or any synonym of it.

I never said any of these players couldn’t make adjustments and improve individually…but I think it is very unlikely (read: impossible) that Hosmer, Moustakas, Perez, and Cain all make this giant leap forward at the same time, while Morales and Rios both return to their form from several years ago.

Ventura should get better, sure, but Volquez should get worse. He’s only posted a FIP under 4 once in his career (3.6) and that was in 2008. His is 2.72 now, so he’s as likely to regress as Ventura is to get better. Vargas and Guthrie are not that good, and are on the wrong side of 30.

If I’m stupid (or an idiot, or a moron, or a tard), then why did you reiterate what I said about KC’s 15-7 start giving them a big advantage and making it more likely that they make the playoffs? Does that mean that this idiot said something…smart? And you can cite the +45 run differential, but 34 of that was built up in that 7-0 start, meaning they’ve been a (still respectable, but more reasonable) +11 in the 18 games since. They’re 9-9 in those 18 games, by the way.

Keep in mind, they’ve hit 19 home runs all season and more than half (10) came during their 7 game winning streak. During the first 7 games of the year they had a .932 OPS. No wonder their run differential in those 7 games was +34. Since they’ve had a .722 OPS, which is closer to the .690 they posted last year.

You say that 92 wins will win the division “no doubt” and all they have to do is play “slightly worse” than last year. You’re right, all they have to do is play “slightly worse” than they did last year when they were .500 in late July but got really hot in the 2nd half of the season (39-23) and ended up going 8-0 in the wildcard, ALDS, and ALCS. Just slightly worse than that.

One final thought: Your disrespect for the mentally handicapped is incredible. I disagree with you about your team, so you decide to use terms like Special Education, tard, and Corky? You should be ashamed of yourself, and the Royals should be ashamed of having someone like you as a fan.

Jeff in Alameda
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Corky, stupid, idiot….

I guess, it would be too much to expect more from a fan of team that’s been involved in brawls with 3 other teams in April.

I’m glad that the Royals emerged from being a perennial joke to have some success last year, but their attitude and the attitude of the fanbase is atrocious.

Rant all you want Royals fans. Your team is still a joke, but now its because of your crappy sportsmanship.

Jimmy
11 years ago

Oh, don’t forget ‘tard and moron. Those were in there too.

The only redeeming thing about Royals fans is Paul Rudd.

HarryLives
11 years ago

I agree with those who think that the Royals’ early success has been something of a fluke. I won’t say any more than that, though. If I do, I’m worried that Yordano Ventura and Kelvin Herrera might come to my house and throw baseballs at me.

Jon B Shuttinidiotsup
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Good predictions, numbnuts.

Keep buying into Fangraphs projections as your only basis for evaluating teams. Hope you enjoy watching the “fluke” Royals in the World Series…again. Idiot.

davels
11 years ago

Excellent use of graphics.

Phillies113
11 years ago

“There was really only one place to go from last year’s historically bad defensive season, and that was up.”

It can be easy to forget, sometimes, that improvement can be relative. “Better than historically bad” can still qualify as “bad”.

dfives
11 years ago

” I could post any number of GIFs of weird errors and strange defensive decisions they’ve made so far in 2015. I will spare you that.”

???? why

TangoAlphaLima
11 years ago
Reply to  dfives

Exactly. We come for the gifs, Owen, the statistical analysis is just a bonus.

Steve
11 years ago

“And, to be fair, UZR likes Cleveland a lot more than DRS does.”

Doesn’t UZR not evaluate pitcher defense at all? That would explain the gap if I’m not completely wrong on that.

tgk
11 years ago

It’s clear the Indians will always underperform until they get rid of their racist logo.

Clolvelands
11 years ago

This racist franchise and their clueless city deserves everything bad that happens to them.

Paul
11 years ago
Reply to  Clolvelands

I don’t think the Fangraphs franchise is racist. Perhaps they are xenophobic towards certain graphs that are not, but not racist.

P.S. What city represents Fangraphs? It’d have to be a technologically advanced city with a sports connection and a volcano (for Jeff). Perhaps Kagoshima?