The Comps for Tim Tebow Aren’t Encouraging
What a time to be alive. Not only is 29-year-old Tim Tebow attempting to launch a career as a baseball player, but he held a showcase in front of scouts from 28 teams — and actually managed to impress some of them. The ex-NFL quarterback put on a show in batting practice, which prompted some scouts to spew superlatives about his power tool. The rest of his game was underwhelming, however, including his performance against live pitching and his throwing arm.
When it comes to gauging Tebow’s talent, all we really have is this showcase and the scouting grades that came out of it. He hasn’t played baseball since high school, so we have exactly zero statistical data to use. The logical conclusion seems to be that he isn’t very good. Sure, Tebow was something of a prospect in high school, but a tiny fraction of high-school baseball prospects succeed in the pros, and that’s without having sat out a dozen years.
The responsible thing to do would be to recognize that this is little more than a publicity stunt and that Tebow will probably bust. But where’s the fun in that? Instead, I decided to play around with the shred of data we do have and infer what it might mean for Tebow’s future.
Jeff Zimmerman has been building up a database of historical prospect grades that he uses to find scouting comps for current players. I asked him to run it for Tebow using the grades from the below scouting report, itself courtesy Dave DeFreitas of 2080 Baseball.

Right out of the gate, that 70 raw power grade feels a bit lofty. Keep in mind that raw power is a different thing than game power: raw power refers to how far a hitter can hit the ball in batting practice, while game power refers to how he’d fare against actual pitchers. But still: there are very few people with double-plus raw power in the world. What are the odds that a famous ex-quarterback is one of them? Regardless, let’s just accept those grades for the sake of this exercise.
You probably noticed that there isn’t a hit tool listed on there. The hit tool can be difficult to scout, as evidenced by erstwhile lead prospect analyst Kiley McDaniel’s six-part feature on it. So it’s understandable that DeFreitas may not have wanted slap a hit grade on Tebow after one showcase with limited action against live pitching.
Forced to enter a number for Tebow’s future hit tool, I chose 40. That feels rosy considering Tebow’s lack of baseball experience, especially considering he had some issues against David Aardsma and Chad Smith in the showcase. Indeed, lead prospect analyst Eric Longenhagen guesstimated that Tebow’s hit tool was “probably a 30.” But given Tebow’s other tools, anything below 40 almost certainly wouldn’t play in the big leagues, making this entire exercise moot. So let’s roll with it.
Before I go any further, I’ll note that there’s a heavy dose of selection at play here. Most outlets don’t bother with component grades for players who aren’t top-rated prospects, so by definition, this list only includes top-rated prospects. By no means is Tebow a top-rated prospect, which makes this a terribly flawed exercise. At the very least, however, it gives us an idea of what type of player Tebow is. Here we go.
| Rank | Name | Year | Publication | Batting | Power | Speed | Defense | Arm |
| 0 | Tim Tebow | 2016 | 2080 | 40 | 70 | 50 | 40 | 45 |
| 1 | Aaron Judge | 2015 | BA | 50 | 70 | 50 | 50 | 55 |
| 2 | Clint Frazier | 2015 | MLB | 50 | 65 | 50 | 50 | 55 |
| 3 | Clint Frazier | 2016 | BA | 50 | 65 | 55 | 50 | 55 |
| 4 | Rafael Devers | 2014 | MLB | 50 | 60 | 40 | 45 | 50 |
| 5 | Yasmany Tomas | 2015 | BA | 45 | 70 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 6 | Jabari Blash | 2016 | MLB | 40 | 55 | 50 | 45 | 55 |
| 7 | Steven Moya | 2014 | MLB | 40 | 60 | 50 | 45 | 60 |
| 8 | Steven Moya | 2015 | MLB | 45 | 65 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 9 | Aaron Judge | 2016 | BA | 45 | 75 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 10 | Matt Kemp | 2003 | MLB Scouting Reports | 50 | 60 | 50 | 50 | 55 |
| 11 | Joc Pederson | 2015 | BA | 50 | 60 | 55 | 50 | 55 |
| 12 | Andrew Benintendi | 2015 | 2080 | 50 | 60 | 60 | 50 | 50 |
| 13 | Matt Olson | 2015 | MLB | 50 | 65 | 40 | 50 | 55 |
| 14 | Steven Moya | 2016 | MLB | 40 | 60 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 15 | Nomar Mazara | 2015 | BA | 50 | 60 | 45 | 40 | 60 |
| 16 | Alex Jackson | 2016 | BA | 50 | 70 | 45 | 50 | 60 |
| 17 | Domingo Santana | 2015 | MLB | 45 | 60 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 18 | Domingo Santana | 2014 | MLB | 45 | 60 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
| 19 | Stephen Piscotty | 2014 | MLB | 45 | 60 | 50 | 50 | 60 |
OK. There are some good names in there, but there are also a lot of guys who have struggled to make contact in the big leagues. That’s a direct result of the low-ish hit tool grades. The man at the top of the list — Aaron Judge — has struck out in over 40% of his plate appearances so far. It’s still very early for Judge, but he’s also had one of the best hit tools listed. Things get particularly ugly when you pull out the 40- and 45-hit guys. Yasmany Tomas, Jabari Blash, Steven Moya and Domingo Santana aren’t exactly the most flattering of comps, as they’ve all gotten lost in the transition to the big leagues.
Given the importance of the hit tool, the most realistic comps from this bunch seem to be Steven Moya and Jabari Blash — the two 40 hitters. Both are over 25 years old, have struck out over 35% of the time in limited big-league looks, and are looking more and more like Quad-A sluggers by the day. And even they outstrip Tebow on defense, particularly due to their strong throwing arms.
I bent the rules pretty hard in this analysis. I only looked at players pre-selected as prospects, fudged Tebow’s hit tool, and glazed over the fact that, at 29, he’s much older than any of the players listed below. Even so, I could only come up with a couple of probable Quad-A sluggers. Jabari Blash with a weaker arm isn’t a usable player.
There isn’t any doubt that Tebow is a good athlete, but it takes a certain type of good athlete to be a good hitter. That’s why the prospect graveyard is littered with players who possessed flashy tools, but never found a way to make consistent contact. Meanwhile, players who don’t have great physiques and go largely unnoticed in batting practice wind up sticking in the big leagues. Kiley McDaniel laid this out very well when he explained the hit tool to us laypeople.
Something that’s important to point out is that there’s traditional athleticism (size, speed, strength: think football combine stuff) then there’s baseball athleticism (looseness of actions and forearm, wrist and hand strength). There’s a surprising amount of guys, with Dan Vogelbach and D.J. Peterson some recent examples, who look physically like non-athletes in the context of world-class athletics. They are both what some scouts call “athletic in the box” meaning their hitting actions look like they belong on a more traditionally athletic body.
Tebow clearly has the traditional athleticism, but there’s little evidence that he has any of the “baseball athleticism” that makes for a good hitter. Of course, there’s a non-zero chance that Tebow develops that baseball athleticism. Stranger things have happened, I guess. But few players are able to make that adjustment, Tebow’s age make his odds even longer. Michael Jordan comes to mind here, as he hit just .202/.289/.266 with a bunch of strikeouts in his lone season as a baseball player.
Who knows what’s next for Tim Tebow? Maybe a team will sign him based on his excellent batting practice. Maybe a team will sign him as a publicity stunt. The Bridgeport Bluefish have already offered him a job. Regardless, it’s hard to envision a scenario where this story ends with Tim Tebow becoming a useful big leaguer. Still, I have to admit that I’ll be watching closely. Logic and reason tell me that there are literally thousands of baseball players more worthy of my attention, but Tebowmania has a knack for transcending logic and reason.
Chris works in economic development by day, but spends most of his nights thinking about baseball. He writes for Pinstripe Pundits, FanGraphs and The Hardball Times. He's also on the twitter machine: @_chris_mitchell None of the views expressed in his articles reflect those of his daytime employer.
Are there really very few people in the world with double plus raw power, or just very few people with raw power trying to play baseball? Tebow is bigger than Trout and not bigger than Trout in a David Ortiz kind of way. I have no problem believing his raw power tool is 70 even if his current hit tool and current game power tool are both 30.
I think that, in baseball, the swing is such a critical part of getting anything done that it is totally correct to doubt even the *raw* power of a guy who is not very experienced in baseball. The strongest man in the world probably couldn’t even manage 50 raw power if his swing is absolute garbage and he can barely hit bombs in BP.
If Tebow was actually crushing BP, I think that is not to be dismissed. It implies he has some kind of swing.
However, the difference between BP and live pitching is so huge that I would not assume his hit tool to be anything above a 20, and a 20 hit tool implies a 20 game power tool, basically by necessity.
I agree with this. I think there are a lot more people with double plus raw power than is recognized here. The problem is that probably 99.99% of them don’t have the hand-eye coordination, combined with reaction time, to make good contact with professional pitching (or even college-level pitching). They may dominate slow pitch softball, or hit golf balls 350+ yards, but they wouldn’t last a day in A-ball.
Tebow probably has a few legs up on most of these people though, just given his extraordinary athletic ability.
Tim Tebow has the worst possible comp – he compares well to Tim Tebow.
The speed and arm ratings don’t make very much sense to me. While he wasn’t a speedster in college, he was fairly quick and ran a 4.71 in the 40. I can’t imagine that he won’t have above average MLB speed. I also know that he wasn’t known for a strong arm as a QB but I can’t imagine that his arm wouldn’t be above average.
That being said. I didn’t see the full workout so maybe he’s worse than I think.
I would bet his arm grade has more to do with his mechanics than pure strength
I wouldn’t assume a QB has an unusually strong arm. QB requires a huge amount of skill, but you don’t need a cannon per se. Also, Tebow was known for having a weird arm with a bad motion for a college QB, and of course he had no success in the NFL. I saw some of his throws too. His motion is really bad, and the strength of his throws are somewhat diminished by how long he takes to wind up.
As far as speed, if he wasn’t a speedster in college, and he is now 8 years older, I would definitely not assume he has above average MLB speed. MLB players are pretty darn athletic too.
This is very true. One of the things that stunned me in “The Only Rule Is It Has to Work” was how fast MLB players are – the fastest player on the Sonoma Stompers clocked a time that would be average in MLB. I think there was something in there that said the Molina brothers are faster than many independent players.
When QBs are scouted on arm strength, they are mostly focusing on how much velocity they can get on a 20-30 yard throw. accurately. Tebow is trying out as an OF and is expected to make throws much longer than 20-30 yards.
I think the rating is based on average speed among prospects (specifically, TOP prospects, because those are the guys who get rated this way), not MLB average. The MLB average includes a lot of 30+ year olds with a long injury history, who can barely move.
The top prospect average doesn’t: top prospects are athletes in their primes. They can all run. To be above average, you have to be a speedster.
The Sonoma Stompers might be interested.
When scouting Tebow, what sort of discussion does his body merit? He’s absolutely chiseled but I couldn’t help but think it seemed to be kinda top-heavy and somewhat prohibitive.
It’s not hugely difficult to drop muscle mass if he wants to.
If he wants to is a huge question though; I assume his body is currently built to play football and he conditions himself accordingly. Does it do him better to stay in football shape just in case? Would dropping muscle mass help him, in terms of mechanics? Would less muscle mass hinder his raw power? I suppose these are questions that Eric Longenhagen would be able to answer.
How does a ex-QB have a below average arm??? That is very odd.
The arm grade isn’t just strength, it’s also accuracy and the quickness of the release, two things Tebow struggled with as a quarterback. Also, throwing a football utilizes a different motion than throwing a baseball, or is supposed to anyway.
Wouldn’t +arm strength trump -release/loadup? I can’t argue the importance of accuracy but wouldn’t a strong arm make up the time taken for a slow/long release? Hunter Pence comes to mind. I sure wouldn’t teach my kid his mechanics but I’d be happy with his results.
Check Adam Dunn’s fan scouting report.
No, it isn’t. In football, arm strength is about getting good velocity within 25 yards or 75 feet. Tim Tebow is trying out in the OF and he is expected to throw much greater distances than 25 yards.
I’d be willing to bet that how fast someone can throw something and how far they can throw something correlate pretty well.
Is it any more odd than if a MLB outfielder tried out for QB and was scouted as having below average arm strength? This isn’t snark btw, I’m genuinely curious to see what people think about this.
I dunno, I would say it’s kind of encouraging that a 29 year old guy who hasn’t played competitive baseball in over a decade is getting comps like this.
I never followed Tebowmania very closely – is there a reason why he would be willing to (embarrass himself) playing baseball, but not be willing to try to continue his football career at another position? Or was it teams not wanting to sign him to avoid the circus?
He’s just as willing to embarrass himself playing baseball as he was playing football. He said it himself – what has he got to lose? Nothing. In reality, he’s got a lot to gain though, as a media personality. That’s his real end point here, like Jesse Palmer. The Bachelor – Tim Tebow edition? Coming to you in 2020.
I dunno. If you always wanted to be a professional baseball player and you were in a position where you could do pretty much whatever you wanted because you were already set for life, why not? This is certainly a publicity stunt at its core, but I’m sure he’s enjoying himself.
The question isn’t really about his willingness to play baseball, but the unwillingness to play football at another position. I mean, if he wants to make a comeback as a running back or linebacker or at another position, some team would probably be interested and he would actually have a legitimate chance.
Maybe it has something to do with the risk of traumatic brain injury. Clearly Tebow loved football while he was playing, but by switching to a position such as linebacker or tight-end he would be putting his brain in jeopardy, and he might not see it as worth the risk. Since money is essentially a non-issue, I think it makes perfect sense for him to try baseball rather than put his life on the line by switching positions in the NFL.
It was a choice between this, Dancing with the Stars, or hosting competitive pastry making show on the Food Network
Didn’t he run a 6.6 60? By no means is that unheard of but that’s fast for a guy his size and above average speed in general. Wouldn’t it be more like a 55/60?
But you are ignoring the pending rule changes – where the catcher can tackle the batter or push them out of the batters box after the pitch is thrown in order to get a called strike; where a baserunning out requires contact/knockdown by the gloveman and a mandatory 10-count of the baserunner before the out is declared (unless the baserunner is declaring a temporary timeout by Tebowing); and where the on-deck batter can intercept a pitch without all the current problems re outs and such.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-xTK6Ju7th2J4/baseketball_1998_spirit_of_sports/
Can only picture the beginning of the movie BASEketball — the guy in full football gear batting and the fielder getting tackled trying to make a play on the ball… 🙂
Um, without the HIT tool, the other tools are completely meaningless.
On the other hand, his I’M A TOOL tool is an 80.
I take that back. Graded against other professional athletes, it’s probably just a solid 50.
What, may I ask, are you talking about? Tim Tebow has never done anything (in the public eye, at least), that would remotely warrant his being labelled a tool. That’s straight slander, and I suspect you’re doing that because he’s vocal about his faith. You don’t have to agree with him on that but to call him a tool? So many of the people he has played alongside have said he’s one of the best teammates they’ve ever had. Perhaps you think he’s hungry for attention? Really we have no way of knowing because the media is going to make him a big deal because of his faith regardless of whether he wants that or not. I just found your comment completely off-color and I’m surprised so many have upvoted it.
I don’t agree with the statement that he’s a tool, but Tebow’s faith has nothing to do with anything. He gets coverage because he is one of the biggest CFB stars of all time. His circus gets negative perception because he is a mediocre NFL player getting undeserved superstar coverage. The present move, in particular, is entirely his own doing – it’s not like he decided to quietly try out for some MLB teams.
Or maybe, just maybe…. the constant preaching to the world and him trying to push his faith onto others is incredibly annoying, and certainly worthy of being called a tool? If you want to be religious, fine…. but I shouldn’t have to listen to your nonsense in all your interviews, in all the articles about you, and in all the post-pre game talks. It’s nauseating. If you want to believe in some fairy tale, do it on your own time. I’m trying to watch sports, not listen to a person trying to convert me towards his ignorant beliefs.
He also played for Urban Meyer, and his teammates haven’t exactly been the highest character people out there.
You’re arguing against a straw man, a perception of what you think annoying religious people are like instead of anything remotely resembling Tim Tebow. Try to think about this rationally, since your screen name indicates that that’s one of your defining characteristics: Tim Tebow does things like talk about his faith in interviews, not overtly prostelytizing but just talking about what he personally believes, wears eyeblack referencing Scripture, and takes a knee to pray. You say things like “nonsense,” “nauseating” (what, the eyeblack is naueseating?) “fairy tale” and “ignorant”. Four putdowns of the opposite view in a single paragraph. I have never once heard Tim Tebow denigrate an atheist. So let me ask you, who, exactly is offending who?
And then my favorite part, about how not everyone who played for Urban Meyer is a saint, and that’s supposed to reflect poorly on Tebow?! If the worst thing you can say about a guy is that he was on a team with people who weren’t the greatest ever, dang, he must be doing alright. Sorry to hear all that grinds your gears though.
You don’t have to.
Talking about your faith is ‘pushing it into others’ to about the same extent that being openly gay is ‘shoving it down people’s throats’.
These types of statements say more about the prejudices of the speaker than about the actual issue at hand.
/politics
Interesting word choice there.
I think if I was having a conversation about football with a gay guy and all they talked about was being gay, I’d probably think they were a tool too.
I think he’s a prick because he talks a big game, but wasn’t willing to switch positions to help his team win.
AndyM: You guessed wrong. I meant he’s a dumbass, dumbass.
Tebow’s best comp would be Bruce Jenner, Paris Hilton or Kim K….desperate for attention and willing to perform stupid publicity stunts to get thier name in the news. The Ego/Bathroom Mirror tool is at 75 to 80!!
Your implication that Caitlyn Jenner transitioned to another gender for “publicity,” and your decision not to use her new, legal name, are disgusting and sad.
It’s cool to say Caitlyn was a tedious media whore before and after her surgery, though?
Are you really that naive or maybe just a teenager or something?
Tim Tebow is like a six-year old tapdancer and his fans are the overbearing parent. Tim does whatever he can to get any interaction with his fans, even putting up with the indignity of performing. In 20 years, I expect Tim will be in therapy, complaining about how his fans didn’t really love him and were trying to live their lives vicariously through him.
When he was in camp for the Eagles, a Philadelphia radio talk host described his throwing motion as being similar to someone who is throwing a bucket of paint.
Absolute best case never gonna happen outcome for that toolbox is Khris Davis. Big raw power, terrible arm, not a burner by any means but not a plodder either.
Surprised no one has brought up Drew Henson as a comp. Famous college QB with big power, didn’t make enough contact.
The best analysis I read of his showcase is that it was more a “show” than anything else. If he REALLY wanted to play in the big leagues he should sign with an independent league team. Start compiling some experience and give the scouts something to look at in terms of GAME ACTION. Being a famous football player would probably garner him enough attention to be on MLB team’s radar. Even putting in a month there he would probably have at least some scouts at his games. Then, at that point do a “showcase”. But if all teams have to go on for a 29-year-old is a single showcase I wouldn’t be surprised if almost no one even gave him an offer. They showed up just in case they saw something. But from what I have read he really didn’t show much.
I’m pretty sure the 70 power rating is at least in part based on a player’s ability to hit for power AGAINST LIVE PITCHING. Not batting practice.
So how does Tebow, who (at least according to articles I read) saw about 60 pitches from two former major leaguers, and maybe managed to get on base once or twice through the whole showcase, get that power rating? Just for comparison, Aaron Judge, who has the same 70 rating, has slugged at or near .500 at every level he’s ever played on (except the majors, but he was rated before he got to the majors….and the major league numbers are a small sample size).
But, I admit, I could be wrong about how the power rating works…maybe they have nothing to do with slugging percentage? Please, someone enlighten me: what happens if Tebow ends up not hitting 3 home runs, with 10 doubles, in 100 games for the Mets next year? Will that change his power rating?