The Cubs’ Big Three Is Back

The 2020 Cubs won the NL Central, but they did it in a fairly unusual way, getting minimal contributions from Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, and Javier Báez. In 151 combined games, their trio of stars combined for a mere 1.6 WAR, mostly coming from Rizzo (1.0); back when the Cubs won the World Series in 2016, Bryant alone racked up nearly eight wins. Last season, players like Ian Happ and Willson Contreras were the ones who propelled the team to October baseball, not the old core.

With Báez, Bryant, and Rizzo all set to enter free agency this offseason, the Cubs, as in many a heist movie, hoped to bring back the old crew for one last big score in 2021. But unlike many good yarns about high-stakes thievery, the Cubs largely ignored the supporting cast. The studio had cut the budget, an obvious necessity what with the Cubs playing in a tiny, small-market city, boasting merely the fourth-best attendance in baseball in 2019, and the reality that no owner in baseball history has ever made money. Yu Darvish was off to film a high-budget action movie in San Diego; the only primary member of the 2019 rotation still on the roster in ’21 is Kyle Hendricks.

Without much in the way of new blood, they needed their old core to shine one last time. And luckily for the Cubs, this is largely what has happened. In a similar number of games as the 2020 season, our troika of protagonists has combined for 4.8 WAR, tripling their contribution from the prior season. With the addition of Nolan Arenado, the Cardinals got most of the preseason NL Central ink but the Cubs have been more impressive at the box office.

The outlook has also improved for the three stars coming off disappointing seasons. Even superstars only have a few opportunities to sign a mega-contract, and nobody wants to hit free agency facing questions about their abilities. After losing much of their value in the projections from 2022 onwards, all three have clawed back much of their free agent viability.

First up on the podium is Anthony Rizzo. Rizzo struggled the least of the three in 2020, with a season that could be classified as ordinary rather than an epic disaster. Hitting .222/.342/.414 with a 103 wRC+, his worst line since his pre-breakout 2013, he still managed to snag a deserved Gold Glove at first. He likely lost the least value in 2020, but other factors probably already would have prevented him from landing a huge deal; Rizzo’s a couple of years older than Bryant or Báez, and first base hasn’t been a position with free agent sex appeal in several years.

ZiPS Projection – Anthony Rizzo (Pre-2020)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .263 .366 .447 476 67 125 27 2 19 75 61 86 5 119 3 3.7
2023 .258 .358 .434 454 61 117 25 2 17 68 55 79 5 113 3 3.1
2024 .253 .350 .412 430 55 109 22 2 14 61 49 71 4 105 3 2.3
2025 .248 .340 .392 383 46 95 18 2 11 50 40 58 4 98 2 1.6
2026 .238 .326 .370 319 36 76 14 2 8 39 30 44 3 88 1 0.8

If he’d signed an extension before 2020, ZiPS saw Rizzo getting a four-year, $87 million or five-year, $94 million contract after the 2021 season. Those are respectable, but not mind-blowing, figures. No team in baseball thinks that players peak in their 30s — okay, maybe the Rockies — and Rizzo will turn 33 before the end of the first year of his next deal. So the projections saw a player in decline, but one who could be a good starter on a playoff team for another three or four years.

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ZiPS Projection – Anthony Rizzo (Pre-2021)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .259 .369 .458 474 68 123 24 2 22 80 64 86 7 116 3 2.9
2023 .253 .361 .443 451 62 114 22 2 20 72 59 80 7 110 3 2.4
2024 .247 .351 .420 429 56 106 19 2 17 65 52 72 6 102 3 1.7
2025 .242 .339 .397 360 44 87 15 1 13 51 40 56 5 93 2 0.9
2026 .235 .328 .365 285 32 67 11 1 8 37 29 40 5 82 1 0.2

After 2020, ZiPS no longer thought a five-year deal as likely, instead seeing a four-year, $65 million deal as the sweet spot, a loss of $22 million for Rizzo, or about a 25% loss in dollars from the previous contract. The risk of decline was suddenly a lot less speculative.

Rizzo’s WAR in 2021 is actually comparable to his WAR last year, but his bat has bounced back significantly, to the tune of a 124 wRC+. The difference is in defense, but there are reasons to think our WAR could be underrating him; his DRS is still positive, and via Statcast’s Outs Above Average, he’s leading the league at first base.

ZiPS Projection – Anthony Rizzo
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .263 .370 .469 467 66 123 23 2 23 78 63 83 7 119 4 3.2
2023 .259 .365 .460 448 61 116 23 2 21 72 59 78 6 115 4 2.8
2024 .254 .355 .437 426 55 108 20 2 18 66 52 71 6 107 3 2.1
2025 .248 .346 .416 387 47 96 16 2 15 55 45 59 6 99 3 1.4
2026 .243 .334 .391 317 36 77 13 2 10 42 33 45 5 90 2 0.7

Rizzo’s done enough that, at least in the projections, he’s clawed his way back by about $12 million over a four-year contract, or slightly more than half his 2020 loss. The power output hasn’t yet been significant, but he’s improved his discipline at the plate, which has partially compensated; Rizzo’s swinging at fewer bad pitches and more good ones.

Moving onto Kris Bryant, his 2020 disappointment was at least partially fueled by a number of injuries. In a short, two-month season, Bryant had issues with his back, wrist, finger, elbow, and oblique, and even missed a couple of games due to gastrointestinal issues. The causes of these injuries varied, but they played a part in what was by far the worst season of Bryant’s career, a .206/.293/.351 debacle.

Coming into 2020, ZiPS was quite optimistic about Bryant landing a big deal when he hit the open market. There had been some questions about his loss of power in a 2018 marred by a shoulder injury, but he came roaring back in 2019, if not to the dizzying heights of his 2016-2017 peak.

ZiPS Projection – Kris Bryant (Pre-2020)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .254 .352 .460 500 83 127 30 2 23 61 63 137 4 118 -3 4.2
2023 .253 .349 .458 483 79 122 29 2 22 58 60 131 4 116 -4 3.8
2024 .250 .346 .446 464 73 116 27 2 20 54 56 122 4 112 -5 3.2
2025 .247 .340 .425 442 67 109 24 2 17 49 51 111 3 106 -6 2.5
2026 .243 .332 .406 419 60 102 22 2 14 43 45 100 3 99 -7 1.7
2027 .239 .322 .386 373 50 89 18 2 11 36 37 83 2 91 -8 0.9

This projection is valued by ZiPS at $136 million over six years. That’s down from the $182 million ZiPS projected before 2018, when Bryant was at his peak, but it comfortably exceeded the century mark. Then 2020 happened.

ZiPS Projection – Kris Bryant (Pre-2021)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .251 .346 .463 486 81 122 28 3 23 63 59 128 3 110 -3 2.9
2023 .249 .344 .451 470 77 117 26 3 21 60 56 122 3 107 -4 2.5
2024 .246 .338 .438 452 71 111 24 3 19 55 52 114 2 102 -5 1.9
2025 .242 .334 .426 430 65 104 22 3 17 50 48 104 2 98 -6 1.4
2026 .238 .325 .405 383 55 91 19 3 13 41 40 87 2 90 -7 0.7
2027 .234 .317 .377 316 42 74 14 2 9 32 30 67 2 81 -7 0.0

ZiPS no longer saw a six-year contract in the works, but to keep things apples-to-apples rather than apples-to-tacos, that is a $78 million valuation, nearly a $60 million hit for a 60-game season. That’s especially cruel to Bryant, who was always going to basically need seven years of service time to hit free agency rather than six due to the Cubs’ shenanigans. (I certainly don’t buy that they thought Mike Olt was superior for two weeks in 2015, though I can’t prove it.)

But in a stroke of good fortune, Bryant hasn’t just bounced back to his reduced level of stardom from 2019, he’s bounced straight past it, which I think violates the physics of trampolines. Apparently not getting the memo that the baseball is a bit deader this year, Bryant’s putting up the best batting average and slugging percentage of his career. Even at his MVP candidate peak, he didn’t put up a wRC+ of 156! While that will likely come back down to Earth somewhat, his resurgence, plus the fact that he’s remained healthy, means that his projections have come roaring back.

ZiPS Projection – Kris Bryant
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .266 .356 .488 508 86 135 29 3 26 74 59 137 4 119 -2 3.8
2023 .263 .352 .485 487 80 128 30 3 24 70 56 130 4 117 -3 3.3
2024 .261 .348 .472 468 75 122 27 3 22 65 52 122 4 113 -4 2.8
2025 .256 .343 .446 446 68 114 24 2 19 59 48 114 4 105 -5 2.1
2026 .254 .337 .431 422 62 107 23 2 16 53 43 101 3 100 -6 1.5
2027 .245 .324 .406 387 54 95 19 2 13 45 36 87 3 90 -7 0.7

That’s not quite as neat as hitting Ctrl+Z in Windows, but the damage, at least in the projection’s eyes, has largely been undone. A six-year deal doesn’t sound preposterous, and ZiPS sees such a pact heading back over the century mark to $119 million.

That just leaves Javier Báez. Báez’s bat fell back a bit in 2019 from his near-MVP 2018 season, but he put up the best defensive season of his career after the Cubs fully committed to him as the team’s shortstop rather than moving him around as needs dictated. At the time, it looked like he was heading toward a monstrous payday.

ZiPS Projection – Javier Báez (Pre-2020)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .256 .295 .501 511 77 131 30 4 29 82 26 162 11 110 5 4.2
2023 .260 .298 .510 496 75 129 29 4 29 82 25 151 11 113 4 4.3
2024 .260 .297 .508 480 72 125 27 4 28 79 23 143 11 112 3 4.0
2025 .259 .296 .500 460 68 119 25 4 26 74 22 135 10 110 2 3.5
2026 .254 .290 .483 437 62 111 23 4 23 67 20 123 9 104 1 2.8
2027 .252 .287 .467 413 56 104 21 4 20 60 18 110 8 99 0 2.3
2028 .247 .279 .439 385 49 95 18 4 16 51 15 96 7 90 -1 1.5
2029 .242 .272 .411 355 43 86 15 3 13 43 13 82 6 81 -3 0.7

ZiPS projected an eight-year, $202 million contract for Báez. That’s below the deals that players such as Manny Machado, Francisco Lindor, and Bryce Harper landed, but unlike them, Báez wouldn’t hit free agency in his mid-20s. Báez was inevitably going to be a low-OBP hitter, but as valuable as a low-OBP hitter as you’re likely to find; playing well at shortstop while slugging .500 goes a long way.

Falling to a .203/.238/.360 triple-slash in 2020, Báez arguably had the worst season of the three players examined here. Always a free-swinger, the tendency served him poorly last year; with a little bad BABIP fortune, his OBP dropped through the danger zone straight into panic territory.

ZiPS Projection – Javier Báez (Pre-2021)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .267 .302 .502 536 81 143 31 4 29 90 24 161 11 106 2 3.3
2023 .272 .306 .532 523 82 142 30 5 32 94 23 153 10 114 1 3.7
2024 .271 .305 .527 505 78 137 28 4 31 91 22 146 10 112 0 3.4
2025 .270 .304 .523 486 74 131 26 5 29 86 21 137 10 111 -1 3.1
2026 .266 .297 .508 463 68 123 24 5 26 79 19 127 9 106 -2 2.4
2027 .263 .293 .484 438 62 115 21 5 22 70 17 114 8 99 -3 1.8
2028 .259 .288 .468 410 55 106 19 5 19 61 15 101 7 94 -4 1.3
2029 .253 .282 .435 379 48 96 16 4 15 52 13 86 6 84 -6 0.5

ZiPS always thought Báez was a good bet to bounce back but not completely, dropping its projection to a $175 million deal over eight years. This comes with a caveat: there have been some methodology changes since the final pre-2021 ZiPS, and the current pre-2021 projection is a bit better than it was back in December (I wanted, again, to keep it apples-to-apples). But even with a less impressive bounce-back 2021 projected, ZiPS still thought he’d get a $168 million contract after his 2020 season

Báez hasn’t become a scientific hitter or anything this season, but his power has suffered less than others’ with the new baseball. The OBP has recovered to “acceptably” brutal along with his BABIP, leaving Báez a path to stardom even while making a giant boatload of outs.

ZiPS Projection – Javier Báez
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .271 .306 .511 546 83 148 27 4 32 93 23 174 17 109 2 3.8
2023 .274 .309 .538 522 81 143 28 4 34 95 22 161 14 116 2 4.0
2024 .275 .308 .549 506 79 139 26 4 35 95 21 157 13 119 1 4.0
2025 .273 .307 .548 487 76 133 24 4 34 91 20 149 12 118 0 3.6
2026 .271 .303 .529 465 70 126 22 4 30 83 18 138 11 112 -2 3.0
2027 .266 .297 .507 440 63 117 20 4 26 74 16 124 10 105 -3 2.3
2028 .260 .289 .473 412 56 107 17 4 21 64 14 110 10 95 -4 1.4
2029 .257 .286 .451 381 49 98 15 4 17 55 12 94 8 89 -6 0.8

Optimism has finally returned! Not quite to the pre-2020 valuation, mind you, but this Báez is one you can see a team in the right situation going over $200 million, at least if you gave ZiPS access to a Scrooge McDuck-esque vault of gold coins. His health, ability to play a solid shortstop, and that extra advantage from being a year younger gives him the edge over Bryant in the long-term projections.

ZiPS also sees more upside remaining for Báez, largely because his glaring weakness — plate discipline — is such a deep hole in his game that even becoming halfway acceptable could represent a significant across-the-board benefit. The computer sees Báez as similar in offensive ability to Alfonso Soriano around the time of the A-Rod trade (he’s the number-one comp), and Báez is easily the better defensive player.

Now, whether he’ll get that money is an open question. Wallets might stay closed if the CBA negotiations become an offseason worry, and I wouldn’t bet against that unless you gave me some pretty generous odds. Last year’s shortstops largely ended up with fairly team-friendly deals, and Báez will face competition at the position this winter – Corey Seager, Trevor Story, Carlos Correa, and Marcus Semien will also hit the market. But even if you’re not on Team ZiPS in thinking Báez can approach $200 million, I think we have strong evidence that he’s at least repaired most of the damage from the 2020 season.

There are a lot more reasons to be optimistic about the Cubs in 2021 than there were a few months ago, and three very big reasons in particular. The core of Chicago’s World Series Championship team still hits free agency this winter, so there’s still trouble ahead. Enjoy the party for now because, to alter a quote from Louis XVI, après eux, le déluge.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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jgawelMember since 2020
5 years ago

Wow, I would have figured ZiPS to have those figures flipped for Bryant and Baez.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Bryant certainly made himself a ton of money this year; expect the Mets to be very interested, and so even if they don’t land him he’ll have a robust market for his services. Rizzo plays first base, which is becoming increasingly devalued for reasons way beyond Rizzo’s control. Baez will not get a long-term deal over $100M or more from anyone but the Cubs. Regardless of what the computer says, Baez is exactly the sort of player who gets GMs fired because they threw $150M at a guy who strikes out 37% of the time and whose walks are basically just a rounding error. The Cubs, for better or worse, know who he is and appear comfortable with it, but look for everyone else to look to try for Seager, Correa, Story, and Semien first (despite the fact that he is outperforming Story).

Ryan DCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah I was shocked at that Baez contract projection, I would bet $175 million that he doesn’t get a $175 million contract.

LathundMember since 2025
5 years ago

With Baez, you could have said for his whole career that if he ever improves the plate discipline, he could be a great hitter. But a few months away from free agency, he hasn’t. And if he hasn’t by now, will he ever? 2020+2021 isn’t yet at a full season worth of PAs so the sample isn’t all that big, but it would seem that, if anything, it has gotten worse.

It’s interesting that ZiPS actually likes him as he goes into his 30s, because at least I would worry a lot about how he ages. With that kind of plate discipline, he relies so much on his bat speed and ability to get to the ball. Likwise he gets a lot of value from defense. So whether we’re talking foot speed or bat speed, any kind of aging or injury that slows either down should hurt him a lot. A Baez without the bat speed to get to some of those outside sliders he shouldn’t be swinging at, or without the speed to get hits off the up and in fastballs, could be ugly.

It will be very interesting to see which GM might be willing to spend big on a long-term deal for Baez. The fan interest/marketing beneifts could be big though, so wouldn’t surprise me to see a team that could make the most use of that eventually signing him.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Lathund

I’m pretty sure Baez is what he is at this point, you’re not going to see some marked improvement in his approach. Just like you’d never expect to see Joey Gallo run a 22% K-rate.

MoateMember since 2022
5 years ago
Reply to  Lathund

I think this is something a lot of baseball fans, especially older ones, have been having trouble grasping (myself included): Everyone, EVERYONE, sucks at contact hitting. There are 11 qualified hitters who have averages over 300. The league as a whole is only hitting 238 and striking out 24% of the time. His numbers don’t look so bad relative to that, and he’s an elite defender at a premium defensive position and exciting player to watch.

TL;dr- Nobody cares about plate discipline, so why are we holding it against this one guy?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

I don’t know, he’s gone from striking out five times as much as he walks to striking out twelve times as much as he walks. It’s fun when he makes contact but out of 142 qualified hitters he is #11 from the bottom in OBP. I think it’s fair to hold things like that against him.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

Because OBP’s around .300 will never be in style

MoateMember since 2022
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

To the wider world:

The past performance: Good. Current Performance: Good. Projections systems for the future: Good.

Dudes on the internet: I don’t like what I’m seeing, Bad.

Noted. Good talk.

(Edited for formatting)

Travis LMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

It’s almost like evaluating a player based on outcomes, and not process, is going to give a less nuanced take than if you look at component stats. The reason people are criticizing Baez for plate discipline, despite his good results, is because 1) they appear to be getting worse, and 2) there’s a cliff somewhere in the plate discipline world, and there is concern that he may be approaching it.

So yeah, dudes on the internet are saying “let’s look beyond just surface level results, so we can include process metrics as well as looking at trendlines”. It’s not surprising that the wider world prefers the superficial examination – but the deeper dive is why I come to Fangraphs.

VinnieDaGooch
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

Is twitter to blame for the prevalence of this sneering, snarky quip format that so many posts across the internet seem to take? I find it tiresome at this point

MoateMember since 2022
5 years ago
Reply to  VinnieDaGooch

Probably not. I hate twitter. I just was a snarky twat well before it was even invented. You would have found me exhausting back then as well.

And to be fair, I’m not normally like this here but I was tired and everyone is spilling a lot of ink to say “I personally am better at analyzing a player than ZiPS” which seemed…off.

Some players don’t really make sense and keep defying expectations. Some HoF players fall off a cliff when they sign contracts with the Angels. Others keep throwing harder year over year even in their age 32 season. Baseball is weird like that.

My original point was this: Javy swings at everything, and people have been saying for his entire career that if he doesn’t stop, he won’t have a very long career. That statement seems to have been proven false already, but enjoy your narrative ya’ll.

Seacrest out

TheUncool
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

News flash!

Baez still has some ways to go to prove he has “a very long career”, not that that’s really what people are saying anyway…

Besides, Crash Davis had a very long career too, but not one that’s worth $200M for any stretch of it…

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Moate

Lots of people care about plate discipline. It’s the underlying concept behind Moneyball, teams shifting focus to OBP not AVG.
What teams don’t really care about are strikeouts as a concept.
Plate discipline, contact hitting, and strikeouts are all related but separate concepts.

Plate discipline is a mental function and explains your swing/take decisions. Better plate discipline leads to laying off more pitches, drawing more walks, and better contact quality (swinging at your pitch, not every pitch).

Contact ability is a physical trait related to hand-eye coordination and swing path. Bad hand-eye coordination and/or an ‘uppercut swing’ will lead to more whiffs and more strikeouts.

Strikeouts are an outcome and are a function of plate discipline, approach, and contact ability. If you have bad plate discipline you are going to swing at everything leading to less contact and less high quality contact when you do connect. If you approach the at-bat taking your A-swing every time you are more likely to K than if you roll out your ‘protect’ swing with two strikes.

To use a couple examples of K prone hitters to illustrate:
-Javy Baez has terrible plate discipline. He swings at 56% of pitches thrown to him on his career, including 42% of pitches outside the strike zone (that’s a lot).
-Joey Gallo, the notorious strikeout hitter, actually has good plate discipline. He only swings at 47% of pitches thrown to him including 28% outside the zone.

However, Baez has shown better contact ability than Gallo on his career.
-When Baez swings, he whiffs 35% of the time on his career.
-Gallo has swung and missed at 42%.
-When Baez swings at pitches outside the zone he actually makes contact 51% of the time.
-Gallo has only made contact 37% of the time.

Up until 2020 Baez had also made a lot more contact on pitches inside the zone than Gallo.

Baez and Gallo both K a lot. But Gallo does it with good plate discipline but terrible contact ability, while Baez has bad plate discipline but better contact ability.

All in all, Gallo’s 30 percentage point advantage in OBP (15 PP in SLG) has made him a much more valuable hitter than Baez and that’s driven by plate discipline.

Theoretically it should be a lot easier to learn plate discipline than to gain contact ability because it’s mental versus physical. This is what makes Baez (and similar hitters) so tantalizing. If Baez had Gallo’s plate discipline and kept his career level of contact ability, he’d be a much more valuable hitter than Gallo because not only would he walk more, but he’d also limit the number of bad pitches he swings at and can’t do much damage to.

ALLluckNOtalentMember since 2017
5 years ago

great article. Appreciate the thoroughness.

Like the other commenter, I was not expecting Baez to have better projections than Bryant but I guess I just don’t properly value elite defense paired with elite power enough, along with the age gap. That Soriano comp is interesting because I remember that being one of the more common offensive comps when he first came up and makes me think his floor is higher than I was giving him credit for. I would still be wary of giving him more than 5 years but I guess I feel that way about most non-Trout/Tatis level players. Trying to overcome my own biases but the way the Heyward contract has played out really made me risk adverse for long term contracts, especially someone who derives a lot of value from defense.

The shortstop market is going to be really interesting. A lot of moving parts. Going to be fun to see what teams value getting a deal done early or risk a bidding war breaking out when there is only one or two of the strong candidates listed by Dan available. If Seager, Correa, and Story all sign early, how much more is a team willing to value Baez or Semien to avoid having the Reds void of no-SS hanging over them. (Reds not trading for Adames seemed bad at time of trade to Brewers and looks worse now)

I still think Zips may be dinging Bryant prior power outage from shoulder a bit too much and would be quite happy if the Cubs were able to re-sign him at projected cost here.

Rizzo analysis seems straightforward and I agree that age and position limit the ceiling of contract he gets, regardless of how well he plays down the stretch.

BufordMember since 2016
5 years ago

And Rizzo’s chronic back problems over the past 3 or 4 years will further limit the amount and length of his contract.

As for Baez in the right situation garnering over $200 million, I thought “What situation is that … Baez having compromising pictures on some GM?”

Psychic... Powerless...
5 years ago
Reply to  Buford

And Rizzo’s not getting vaccinated may limit the extent to which he gets extra credit for being a “leader.”

kid
5 years ago

Javy Z-Contact:
2019 – 79.5% (Basically his career average)
2020 – 74.6%
2021 – 70.5%

That’s the problem. Maybe it’s reduced bat speed, maybe the new ball, but the new Javy makes a lot less contact than the 5-WAR guy from ’18/’19. Moving forward, I like the Steamer line of .239/.284/.444. ZiPS is too optimistic. The ball-striking profile is also a mess – .215 xBA last year, .216 xBA this year – so if the ball isn’t going over the wall, it’s too-frequently finding a glove.

The power & speed obviously play at Shortstop, but if it were my money I’d be looking to spend elsewhere.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  kid

Surprisingly his O-Contact% has stayed right around his career average. If he was actually losing bat speed/contact ability I would have thought his O-Contact% would be declining as well.

Javy’s been below average against 4-seamers from 2019-2021 after being above average from 2016-2018. 2020 is making the data a little noisy but he has been positive against Changes and Curveballs in each of 2018, 2019, and 2021 (also plus against sliders in 2018 and 2021 as well) after being mostly negative against all of them earlier in his career.

So maybe the bat is slowing down so he’s hunting off-speed more often to compensate. Or maybe he thought that changing his approach to focus on off-speed would be a good way to combat increased off-speed usage by pitchers league-wide causing him to be late on fastballs in the zone.

SpeecySpicy
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Re: Javy and 4-seamers… something else may have become more prevalent in 2019-2021, I can put my finger on it and its a bit tacky.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
5 years ago

Is Buyer Beware an anagram of Javier Baez? No?

John DiFool2
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

A Zebra Jive is tho.

Baseball Anagrams
5 years ago
Reply to  John DiFool2

You’re doing the Lord’s work, John. Splendid!

SenorGato
5 years ago

Secretly they never left so much as there was a pandemic that pushed back and shrank the schedule THEN they got pulled from that schedule from that week at their hottest. Never really got back on track after that, it’s that kind of sport, but won the division anyway because great players pull off tricks like that. Like Bryant was just getting going when they got pulled last year

Bryant’s going to be such a monumental steal when they inevitably extend him. Insane how marketing, service manipulation, a little luck in the form of a pandemic, and a brainwashed fanbase has reduced his FA earning potential just through expectations

I see Baez joining Lindor in NY. I’d let him hit FA and send some prospects to the Mariners for JP Crawford, who seems to be really really really really underrated. THAT said I’m less opposed to extending Baez than ever because I think true two way players (by that I mean can play defense, not pitch) are underrated and age better than those who don’t. Still like my Crawford thing a little more

Mahoney
5 years ago

I loved the “Soriano + SS-worthy glove” comp for Baez, much like a “Chipper Jones + SS-worthy glove” updside for Wander Franco.

Random fun fact: Alfonso Soriano, whom I’ve always viewed as the poster child of free-swinging hacks, had a 21.5% K rate for his career…..same as Mike Trout.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Some of this is just due to K rates rising across the league, but Javier Baez has the second worst K/BB ratio since, the third worst K rate since 1950, and the second worst swinging strike rate since 2002. What he’s doing is unprecedented, probably because anyone else who did this didn’t hit well and got pulled long before they had a shot to qualify for the batting title. There are no comps for this; it’s so extreme that projection systems suggest that he has to return towards some sort of normal but we’re predicting waaaaay out of the bounds of the data models like ZiPs were trained on.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Soriano’s K%+ is 125, Trout’s is 104. Baez is 136.

For as infrequently as Alfonso walked (69 BB%+), Javier’s walks have been even fewer & farther between with a 52 BB%+.

Soriano’s profile might be the closest to Baez’s, but it’s still not really all that close, further illustrating how extreme of an outlier Javier is.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Somehow, Soriano walked almost 1/10 of the time during his one season in Washington. Not sure what caused the big bump in BB%, but possibilities are:
(1) change in league, (2) move to LF vs. 2B where he was brutal (3) pitchers pitching around him because of his torrid start (19 HR thru May), (4) desire to reach base as much as possible to get to 40 HR/40 SB, (5) reuniting with former Yankee teammate Nick Johnson (maybe some of Johnson’s approach rubbed off).

Don’t know if Baez will ever get that kind of a perfect storm to bump him up to spitting distance of an MLB-normal BB%…..

SenorGato
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

This is underrated I feel? Like I wouldn’t expect Baez to explode but he did have a 6.5% BB and 25% K rate in 1693 MiL PAs that are kinda quietly looming in the background of his ML career…I don’t necessarily believe, thanks to his extraordinary defense and power combo, that he is just going to fall off a cliff

OTOH I do talk out of my ass and you weren’t saying all that lol

kid
5 years ago

My brain wants to link these 3 players together: Javy Baez, Christian Yelich and Gleyber Torres.

All 3 were dynamite players in 2018 and 2019.
All 3 had severe offensive drop-offs in 2020.
All 3 remain searching for something close to the same level of pre-COVID offensive performance.

All 3 are young-ish, healthy-ish hitters. Maybe someday, someone will figure out what happened.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  kid

First, factor in the juiced up baseball in 2018 and the super-juiced up ball in 2019 vs. the deader ball right now. Then you have 2020 and COVID, which can mess up any analysis. My assessment:

Torres – no worries. He took advantage of the juicy baseball to up his pull % and launch angle, giving him gaudy HR totals. The league’s pitchers obviously have adjusted, and he’s gone back to the more balanced hitting approach he had throughout the minors. Only 24, still a blue chipper.

Baez – feast or famine, depends on how many pitches find their way to that quick bat of his. Probably an offensive rollercoaster until he retires.

Yelich – maybe the most concerning of the three given how far he’s fallen from his peak. Still, you have to consider (1) his recent injury issues and (2) how crazy high his peak was for his first 2 years in MIL. I still think there’s a good chance he’s worth the big extension the Brewers gave him.

lslonecaMember since 2020
5 years ago

Regardless of how much better this season is than last for Baez, I have a hard time believing that he is projecting out to be a more than a 100 OPS+ player for the next few years. He’s only reached 109 twice in his 6 six seasons as a regular (including the small samples of last season and this season so far). I’m skeptical at this point that the 116 OPS+ from 2019 isn’t his absolute ceiling going forward. Obviously, without major hitting changes I can’t see him even approaching his 2018 line again

Scott MoorhouseMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  lsloneca

“He’s only reached 109 twice in his 6 six seasons as a regular”
But those 2 were the most recent full seasons he’s played, that means something. Could just as easily say: In his last 1,600 at-bats he’s hit 110. What would this year’s OPS+ be if his BABIP was at his career average (20 points higher)?

cubfanjack
5 years ago

I’ve never trusted or depended upon ZIPS in fantasy or salaries, but that’s just me.

florida ron
5 years ago

Projects Kris Bryant at six years $119 million. Scott Boras just threw up.