The Depreciating Randal Grichuk

A few days ago, the Blue Jays picked up a new, young, cost-controlled starting outfielder. They got him in exchange for a reliever, and for a pitching prospect with lousy peripherals. It’s not hard to see how you could spin this as a big positive for Toronto. The other side, of course, is that the Blue Jays are taking a chance on a guy who the Cardinals couldn’t make better over a number of years. It’s fine for any team to express faith in its own player-development system, but if the Cardinals can’t get a guy polished, what hope might another club have?

As is generally the case, all three players in the trade are interesting. High-level baseball players are always interesting. Randal Grichuk is interesting, because of his track record and skillset. Dominic Leone is interesting, for the way he reemerged in 2017. And Conner Greene is interesting, because of the raw quality of his stuff. The Cardinals hope they just made their bullpen better. I don’t mean to ignore their side of this. But I’d like to focus on Grichuk, and, specifically, I’d like to focus on how he hasn’t progressed. The era in which Grichuk plays today isn’t the same as the era in which he debuted.

The easiest way to sell Randal Grichuk is like this: He’s 26 years old, and he’s averaged a career WAR per 600 plate appearances of 3.2. Now, that’s inflated because of a 2015 season in which Grichuk performed over his head, but even over just the last two seasons, that average has come out at 2.3. Grichuk is capable of playing every day, and he’s one of those guys who can make a difference in multiple categories. He has enough power to rank as a decent hitter. He’s a capable defensive outfielder at all three positions, and he’s a fast runner, even if he’s not much of a threat to steal. Grichuk has one of those desirable skillsets, and just as a rule, it’s a good idea to take a shot on similar players at such a point in their careers.

In St. Louis, Grichuk had been squeezed out of a regular job. The same thing happened to Stephen Piscotty. That’s a consequence of the acquisition of Marcell Ozuna, and the breakout of Tommy Pham. The Cardinals would’ve also grown frustrated by Grichuk’s lack of obvious development, and that’s something of a red flag, but to the Jays’ credit, they just got a career-best season out of the perennially frustrating Justin Smoak at the age of 30. The Cardinals can’t be the answer for everyone. Don’t want to appeal that much to authority.

So just to re-state the position: The Jays aren’t wrong to give Grichuk an opportunity. He’s annoyed his own coaches, but then, Greene has annoyed his own coaches, and while losing Leone is bad for the bullpen, he has his own record of inconsistency. Grichuk is fine. And yet, my sense is that Grichuk has also seen his value depreciate. Not just because he was at his best in 2015. I think we’re seeing a problem of era.

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Grichuk can play all three outfield positions. I’ve already mentioned that. His athleticism gives him a high floor. In each of his last three major-league seasons, he’s walked in about 6% of his plate appearances. In each of his last three major-league seasons, he’s struck out in about 30% of his plate appearances. Over those three years, 379 players have batted at least 500 times, and, in terms of BB-K%, Grichuk ranks 370th. He’s there between Jimmy Paredes and Tim Anderson. Another appropriate comparison would be Hunter Renfroe.

How has Grichuk compensated? How has he managed a career wRC+ of 108? It’s all been a matter of his power. I’m going to borrow some data from Baseball Savant, again spanning the last three years. Looking at just batted balls, and leaving aside walks and strikeouts and everything else, Grichuk has ranked in the 95th percentile in wOBA. He’s ranked in the 92nd percentile in expected wOBA. Grichuk, in short, has hit the snot out of the ball, and although he’s not exactly Aaron Judge in that regard, the power has been there just often enough. Grichuk isn’t the only one of these players around. In the past, it’s what’s gotten me excited about Keon Broxton.

Yet, remember where we are now. When Grichuk first played in 2014, home runs were few and far between, relatively speaking. Now there’s more power in the game than ever, while Grichuk hasn’t shown his own progress. The home-run era hasn’t meant all that much to the highest tiers of power hitters. They were already clearing the fence without too much trouble before. What this era has done is lift the lower classes. Guys who were never thought to have too much power are hitting the ball out 15 or 25 times. Grichuk still hits the ball harder than most other players do, yet, such quality of contact is no longer so necessary.

Three years in a row, Grichuk has finished with an isolated-power mark over .200. That used to mean more than it does now. In 2015, there were 64 players who batted at least 250 times, with an ISO of at least .200. The next year, there were 84 players. The next year, there were 116 players. Power, obviously, has taken off, while Grichuk’s power has not. He’s remained something of an all-or-nothing hitter, but he just hasn’t hit the ball in such a way to take advantage of this new environment. He was never a warning-track hitter, and he hasn’t yet meaningfully moved to exchange swing power for contact.

None of this is entirely Grichuk’s fault. He can’t control the era in which he plays. But his skillset would’ve meant something different, only a few years ago. Now, his power isn’t so special anymore, because more players than ever are able to go deep. Grichuk’s approach has never improved, not for more than a couple weeks at a time. As his power has gone, so has his wRC+, and, Jake Marisnick just posted an ISO of .252. Grichuk just no longer appears quite so special.

Again, it hardly makes him bad, and he’s worth taking a chance on. As much as I’m fond of Teoscar Hernandez, the Jays can find room for everyone. But maybe the thing to watch here isn’t so much the walk rate. The Cardinals could never improve Grichuk’s batting eye. Maybe the Jays need to focus on getting Grichuk to exchange some pop in the name of making more contact. Grichuk doesn’t need to generate that peak exit velocity, not now, not in this era. That’s not what’s required to hit the ball out. If you just hit the ball, then damage may come. It’s still an adjustment that needs to be made. But it’s a little bit different from what one might’ve assumed.

Some years ago, in a vaguely similar move, the Blue Jays picked up Colby Rasmus. Rasmus had a 110 wRC+ with the Cardinals, and that fell to 97 with the Blue Jays, but, on the other hand, as a member of the Blue Jays in 2013, Rasmus was good for a 5.1 WAR. Rasmus and Grichuk don’t have much to do with one another, yet there are at least similar downsides and upsides. It’ll take something different for Grichuk to get to his upside. Changes of scenery have worked out before, I suppose.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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jerkstore
8 years ago

It is interesting that Smoak’s big change was striking out less and not changing much else. If they think they found that secret formula it could be a big win. But that seems unlikely.

tippie
8 years ago
Reply to  jerkstore

At some point Smoak learned to recognize breaking balls. Seems a similar situation w Grichuk.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago
Reply to  jerkstore

I have serious questions about whether Smoak actually changed anything or he just kind of had way better luck last year. He hit 12 HR’s when down 1-2 or 0-2. He had almost as many HR’s in 1-2 counts (8) as 2-0 counts (9). He had a .158 ISO in 0-2 counts and .207 ISO in 1-2 counts. That all seems crazy unsustainable.

I’m very interested to see what he does this year.

jucojamesMember since 2025
8 years ago

I believe it was widely reported by Blue Jays beat guys that Smoak worked with a sports psychologist (or something like that) and ended up figuring out that he didn’t need to try and hit the ball 500 feet and that 420 would also be a HR.

joedodger
8 years ago
Reply to  jucojames

Hey Joc. Joc Pederson. Did you hear that? 420 feet is enough distance (in most parks) for a home run. Wow, what a concept!

Jeff Quattrociocchi
8 years ago

His xwOBA says he wasn’t lucky.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago

I honestly have not done too much reading on it but isnt xwOBA just basically exit velo and launch angle? In other words its simply looking at the result (IE the contact) not the situation (IE; the count, pitch location etc). Not sure how that really disproves luck.

EG: If a player hits a pitch at his eyes for a HR it is going to register a high exit velo and good launch angle because it was a a HR so its going to reflect well on his xwOBA. I dont think that means you should expect a the guy to hit alot of HR’s on pitches at his eyes going forward.

Same thing with Smoak. His HR’s in bad counts were actually HR’s so they had good velo and angle. That doesnt mean its not very unusual for a guy to do so well in bad counts. The league avg ISO in 1-2 counts last year was .108. Smoak’s was pretty much 100 points higher. Even if you narrow it down to 1B he was still a good 70 points above the avg.

But I could be wrong.

Keyser Soze
8 years ago

I understand your skepticism about Smoak but believe me, he made a significant change in his approach at the plate last year. Particularly hitting LH which was most of the time.

Going into 2017 I was convinced he wouldn’t be with the team all season. He was so vulnerable to pitches in the dirt, especially with two strikes. Then last season he suddenly started to spit on those pitches and waited for pitches closer to the zone instead. It was a stunning adjustment and he held it up all season.

Take a look at Smoak’s strike zone heat maps (swinging and pitch%) and compare 2016 and 2017, especially with two strike counts. You will see a dramatic reduction in swings at pitches in the dirt and low and outside. Those pitches owned Smoak in past but he turned it around so well last year pitchers stopped throwing them, so he got better pitches to hit. Simple, right? That’s why his numbers were so high as you indicated above.

Hopefully he can influence Grichuk with his success and it rubs off on him as well. This trade will work out very well for the Jays if he makes a similar kind of adjustment as Smoak.

ice_hawk10
8 years ago

ya i’m not entirely sure about Smoak, but i’m not sure this business of counts matters much at all.

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago
Reply to  ice_hawk10

Does it matter? Well consider this;

nearly 35% (219 of 637) of Smoak’s PA’s went to either a 1-2 or 0-2 count last year and he posted a 39 wRC+ in said counts.

In 2015 and 2016 he had 236 PA’s in those counts and posted a -8 wRC+ in said counts.

That is a pretty substantial improvement in a pretty substantial amount of PA’s. If that is just a fluke (or something inbetween fluke and skill) that could be a pretty big deal. If he goes back to being basically worthless in a 3rd of his PA’s like he was in 2015 and 2016 you can bet that is going to effect his overall value.

(In case you are curious MLB as a whole posted a 25 wRC+ in 0-2 and 1-2 counts last year.)

Like I said, I’m super interested to see what Smoak does this year.

Travis LMember since 2016
8 years ago

Data discipline requires a similar analysis of count-based luck for 3-0, 3-1 counts, before anything useful can be said about projection regression. I also would like to see foundational research on the stability over time of count-based PA outcomes.

Otherwise, this feels like the Sharpshoot Fallacy at work.

(Note: I’m not saying anyone is incorrect about Smoak, but that the analysis is incomplete.)

Damaso
8 years ago

well, he posted the lowest o-swing% of his career (4% loeer than the previous year), and posted positive values against sliders AND curves for the first time ever, too, when the prrvious 2yrs he was absolutely disastrous vs those breakers.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I read this and immediately started flashing back to Colby Rasmus.

And if Grichuk does break out and put up a nice 3+ WAR season, the Jays would probably be okay with flipping him again.

He seems like a totally worthwhile risk to take.

Ironically, the guy the Cardinals should have targeted to replace Grichuk as the 4th outfielder just signed with the Jays (Granderson). He would have been perfect as the lefty 4th outfielder.

eatonculo
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Cardinals *still* have too many outfielders. A lefty hitter would probably have to play third or first.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  eatonculo

That sounds like you’re more interested in replacing Jedd Gyorko than finding a lefty hitter, especially one who could spell all three outfielders.

Besides, if you’re sold on moving Carpenter back to third (which not everyone is) you can install Martinez as the full-time first baseman and then you have an opening for an outfielder again.

eatonculo
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not really. I was thinking more of a platoon guy for Gyorko. He and Martinez are great against left-handers but I’d rather neither of them get over-exposed against rightys.

Carpenter isn’t very good at third but there’s not a whole lot else the Cardinals can do with this roster.

aschrag83
8 years ago
Reply to  eatonculo

Nothing wrong with Greg Garcia starting once or twice a week against righties, really.

jucojamesMember since 2025
8 years ago

Hello Jeff,

Given the known limitations in public metrics regarding base running and defense, the explosion in relevant data via Statcast etc, and Ross Atkins comments that their proprietary metrics were more positive than the “industry,” am I crazy thinking there may be “hidden” value the Jays see in his defense and base running? Seems most focus on the offense, but isn’t that missing a big part of the picture still ripe for analytical evolution?

Damaso
8 years ago
Reply to  jucojames

The thing is the publicly available stats here like his defense and baserunning plenty.

I have a feeling Atkins was talking about errors and fielding percentage. Shapkins and Atkins don’t hold a very high opinion of fans.

brendonkuhnMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

Seriously? No, he wasn’t talking about those things.

IsBrittonInYet
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

Atkins was very clearly talking about their own metrics versus the industry’s metrics, not modern analytics versus old-school stats.

Damaso
8 years ago
Reply to  IsBrittonInYet

which is weird, then, given that the publicly available stats are very high on his defensive and baserunning abilities.

David PalardyMember since 2022
8 years ago

I was looking at Statcast data last week to see if there’s a relationship between HR/FB% and Barrel rate (barrels per BBE) (Spoiler: There is, R^2 of 0.77). Grichuk’s 15.7% Barrel rate ranks 8th out of 282 batters with at least 200 BBE.

Looking at his Barrel rate in comparison to HR/FB%, he was the biggest outlier in terms of underperforming his HR/FB% based on where we’d expect him to be (18.3% HR/FB%, but his barrel rate plugged into best fit equation outputs an xHR/FB% of 26.8%).

I’m not suggesting he’ll run a HR/FB% THAT high, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit for more power in 2018 than he did in 2017.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  David Palardy

Toronto and the rest of the AL East parks are also better for hitting HRs than St. Louis and the rest of the NL Central parks (I think).

eatonculo
8 years ago
Reply to  David Palardy

Grichuk will probably do a good job if he plays everyday. He’s one of those guys who has to have regular at-bats to stay in the groove. He should have a pretty good year.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  eatonculo

He’s a tragic case of getting Matheny’d.

Damaso
8 years ago

Has grichuk been a headcase/questionable work-ethic guy like Colby was? honest question. That would be disappointing.

Johnny Dickshot
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

No.

If anything, it was the Cards (i.e., Matheny) who jerked Grichuk around.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

I agree with Johnny that the answer is no. As a Cardinals fan, I don’t recall reading anything negative about Grichuk’s attitude or work ethic. There were the quotes you’d expect about how he was disappointed at the times when he was sent down to AAA over the past couple years, but always along the lines of “these other guys in the outfield are also good players, so I’ve got to perform.” Grichuk’s comments this year about looking like the 4th OF’er in 2018 had a similar take to them, IIRC. You may recall that Rasmus and his father basically ended up at war with La Russa and some of the coaching staff in St. Louis, and there’s no indication of anything at all like that with Grichuk.

I don’t tend to agree that the Cardinals jerked him around, however. When Grichuk wasn’t getting playing time over the past 2 years – and he did get over 900 PA’s in the majors between the two years – it was largely because various combinations of Piscotty, Pham, Fowler, Holliday, Brandon Moss, and Jose Martinez were playing. While you can make arguments for playing Grichuk over those players at certain points in time, there were also always arguments going the other way.

While Grichuk would always get his numbers by the end of the season, when a player goes through slumps like some of his over the past couple years (a 53 wRC+ month, a 26 wRC+ month) and looks like he does in doing so (lots of K’s, minimal BB’s), I think that most teams in the Cardinals’ position (other OF options, somewhere in the mix on going after a playoff spot) would send him to the minors to work on things. While I don’t think it’s easily knowable whether these were just slumps that were going to end no matter what, the aggregate performance that we’ve seen from him over the past couple years includes the fact that he’d be sent to AAA for a few weeks after extended slumps, apparently get right, and then come back to the majors.

GottaHaveHart
8 years ago

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Randal Grichuk. He showed up every day, work hard in batting cages built to throw him sliders off the plate. The man knew his limitations and did his best to improve. I’ll miss watching him play his games as a redbird.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  GottaHaveHart

Ugh, I knew this would probably happen but it still makes me sad. He’s been one of my favorites since he came up. I hope he destroys next year.

Alan
8 years ago

Great article. Sometimes a talented person needs the jolt/clean slate of a new employer to change something that was holding them back. My younger self was one such person.

Grichuk has loads of talent, but it is possible that it was never going to be realized in St. Louis no matter what his coaches did. This trade seems like a good deal for all involved.

Finn
8 years ago

One thing to remember that’s related to the Smoak thing is that Bautista and Encarnacion both had huge power breakouts in Toronto as well, maybe Grichuk could join them.

HughesMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Finn

If I recall the big thing Bautista did was elevate and go for pulling the ball. He always had a good eye for the strike zone, even before his break out.

Donaldson experienced the same thing coming from the AL-W, he changed his approach for more fly balls and got a boost in .070 ISO. I think he said he was trying to copy Bautista’s approach even before he was traded to the Jays. He might be a good guy to help Grichuk since he improved his walk rate a fair bit too.

Twitchy
8 years ago

So the issue with using ISO as far as I’m concerned is it’s not park adjusted. It’s one thing to say Grichuk’s ISO isn’t as valuable because there’s more power in baseball, but if STL is more of a pitcher’s park, then using ISO makes Grichuk’s power look worse than it is. Which is why I’m surprised you brought it up.

The more important thing is what we can expect of him. If he maintains his 2+ WAR production, then he’s a useful starter. If he hits the upside which he showed a few years ago at 3 WAR or more, then it’s a pretty good trade for the Jays.

tdouglas
8 years ago

Grichuk’s a good player. He’s pretty much always been a 2 WAR, average-ish player, he can play a reliable center field, and there might be a bit of upside left in him. I really like the deal for Toronto, who made a pretty decent upgrade without giving up much. I’m a Cards fan, but I’m super happy to see a team actually pushing their chips in and going for it this offseason. So far, we’ve got the Giants and Blue Jays and a bunch of nothing. Grichuk’s offense might not be as unique anymore, but it’s still good, and as mentioned, he contributes positively in many ways. Toronto clearly targeted and accomplished increasing their floor (Diaz, Solarte, Grichuk).

I think St. Louis’ return was fine. I love Leone’s 14.5% SwStr rate, and he ran the lowest Contact% of his young career. It could turn out to be a steal, but I really don’t understand why St. Louis didn’t just get Addison Reed for a reasonable amount of cash. St. Louis is in the first year of a new, billion-plus TV deal, and they plan to run out a payroll LESS than last year’s? What? The Hot Stove is somehow still burning as we head into February, but they’ve been adamant about not spending any more cash.

Anyway, the wild card is Greene. I know nothing about him, but his player page says he already has an elite fastball and very good changeup, so I’d guess he won’t see more than a handful of starts with St. Louis. With a number of starters ahead of him in St. Louis, he’ll almost certainly be moved to the pen, where it looks like he could shine and be serviceable as soon as 2018. Again, I don’t know anything about him, but St. Louis has been quick to move one- or two-pitch starters to the pen (Rosenthal, Siegrist).

HughesMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

It’s probably better to think of him as a future season guy, since he didn’t get out of AA in the Jays system last year, which isn’t terribly deep for pitching. We went through a lot of pitchers in 2017.

From what I’ve read he has a mechanics/control issue to work out, but he’s got nice stuff.

The Duke
8 years ago

Grich definitely does not have a bad attitude. He has hurt himself twice in the weight room so if anything he is too Gung-ho.

At one point in 2016 I think, he tried to make himself into a more patient hitter but it ruined him. He’s a thoroughbred born to swing. All he has to do is layoff the outside slider and he’ll be a star.

Easier said than done

ice_hawk10
8 years ago

and yet, overlay his spray chart on the RC, and you see an extra 11 balls leaving the yard. now he’s not going to play all his games in RC, and the NL central has some hitters parks much like the AL East. maybe you give him an extra 5. that’s still pretty significant. fact is, he did hit a lot of warning track flies last year. maybe they would have been gone easy at other parks, but Busch Stadium is no friend to RHH.

well worth taking a chance on.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
8 years ago

Colby Rasmus is an interesting parallel