The Dodgers’ Framing Surplus

The Dodgers have an unusual surplus: they’re hoarding all the framing runs. Well, many of the framing runs.

Framing and receiving is just another area where the club separated itself from the field in 2017. Even as pitch-framing data went insane this last year, the Dodgers nevertheless extracted considerable value from their catchers, a development illustrated by the following chart.

The Dodgers have on their roster two of the game’s great receivers, Austin Barnes and Yasmani Grandal, each of whom who possess above-average offensive skills for the position.

According to Baseball Prospectus’s framing measurements, Grandal (20.2) and Barnes (14.5) ranked third and fifth, respectively, in the game in framing runs above average. And Barnes, who was the backup for most of the season, ranked first in framing runs per opportunity, while Grandal ranked sixth. Nor are those numbers surprising: Grandal has been consistently excellent and Barnes’ minor-league track record suggests he might be able to repeat the skill.

According to BP’s wins-above-replacement recipe, which includes framing, Grandal (4.79 WAR) and Barnes (4.4) finished 32nd and 38th in WAR. So, in essence, the tandem gave the Dodgers the equivalent of Mike Trout-level production at the position. That’s quite a hidden advantage.

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Of course, there appeared to be a changing of the guard late in the season, as Dodgers manager Dave Roberts allotted Barnes more and more playing time. And Barnes earned it. If you double Barnes’ playing time (he had 262 plate appearances) and extrapolate his performance, he would have led baseball in BP’s version of WAR.

While one could argue that Barnes benefited some — as a weak-side platoon partner for Grandal — by facing mostly left-handed pitchers early in the season, he was actually better against righties (147 wRC+) than lefties (136).

Overall, his .408 on-base percentage ranked eighth among hitters with at least 200 plate appearances, sandwiched between the marks produced by Kris Bryant and Paul Goldschmidt. Barnes tied Joey Votto in two-strike wOBA performance (.359).

We’ll have to see if Barnes can repeat the performance. He was rookie-eligible as recently as 2016, after all. Nevertheless, the 27-year-old has posted double-digit walk rates and high on-base percentages at nearly every professional stop he’s made since the Marlins drafted him in the ninth round out of Arizona State in 2011 and traded to L.A. as part of the Dee Gordon deal. Barnes rated as a well-above-average defensive catcher at Triple-A in both 2015 and -16. He doesn’t look like a small-sample wonder.

Barnes, who isn’t eligible for arbitration until 2020 and won’t become a free agent until 2023, appears to be the future and present at the position for the Dodgers. He has usurped a player who is still a star-level catcher, one whom this author placed seventh on his 2016 NL MVP ballot.

Barnes’ ascent naturally leads to this question: should the Dodgers trade Grandal? In Monday’s chat, I received a number of questions about Grandal and his trade value and where he could land.

The Dodgers don’t have many glaring needs, but teams are always looking to acquire young assets. Grandal can become a free agent after this season. He’s projected to earn $7.7 million in arbitration, according to MLBTR’s projections, so he should have plenty of short-term value.

While Grandal struggled against lefties last season (83 wRC+ compared to 106 wRC+ versus righties), he has marks of 106 wRC+ versus lefties and 116 wRC+ versus righties for his career. While he’s had some durability issues, this is still an elite framer with an elite batting eye and above-average power for a catcher. Grandal has value and there are a number of teams that could use him.

Among 2017 playoff teams, the Astros, Cubs, Nationals, and Rockies all rated as below-average framing teams, though the Dodgers might not want to help out an NL rival or team they could face in a World Series rematch. Still, half of baseball is looking to improve framing capabilities and Grandal’s ability has held steady — unlike that of, say, Jonathan Lucroy.

So Grandal has plenty of value right now and might not be with the Dodgers beyond 2018, particularly if he wants to enjoy the lion’s share of playing time at the position. That makes him something of a luxury for the Dodgers, something of a surplus item, and if it were any other position, perhaps a trade would make a lot of sense.

But catcher is a thing unto itself. It requires a backup, a wingman, who’s employed regularly. It includes more wear and tear; more off days are required. So if the Dodgers want to have a 162-game framing edge, they’d likely have to keep Barnes and Grandal on the roster in 2018. And given the physical nature of the position, it’s a place where having quality depth is also important. In other words, Grandal is the type of luxury a team can afford and ought to keep. (Triple-A option Kyle Farmer, also on the 40-man roster, is not the defensive ace that Grandal or Barnes is.)

What’s best for the Dodgers — unless they are absolutely blown away — is to keep the game’s best catching tandem as a significant advantage, for one more year, another season when they enter as likely NL favorites.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I agree with this. Catchers are often only good for about 400 PAs a year. Are they going to get someone to help more than Grandal would in those 200-300 PAs he takes? I don’t necessarily think so.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree here. Grandal really fell off late in the year; I wouldn’t be surprised to see Barnes have a similar experience as the primary, and Grandal to be the one who is fresh instead.

Barnes is very athletic, though, which helps.

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8 years ago
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Ingtot
8 years ago

Dodgers may be best served by giving both of them more of an equal time share instead of either one getting the bulk of the playing time and the other being the once or twice a week backup guy.

ChippersJonesing
8 years ago

I don’t actually believe Barnes’ offensive performance, but I think he’s good enough that you have to look at moving Grandal in order to get him more playing time. I wouldn’t sell him as anything less than what his glove is worth mind you, but he’s definitely being shopped.

I think you end up adding more value by have Barnes + Farmer or whatever + return for Grandal at position of need (backend bullpen piece? Near majors starting prospect? 2B?) than Barnes 400 PAs + Grandal 200 PAs. I mean what would a team like the Nats or Rockies be willing to pay for a real catcher? There will be a lot of suitors out there, it’d be irresponsible to not seriously consider what you can get for Grandal if you truly believe in Barnes.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago

I mean, by BP WARP, which includes framing, Dodgers C was the single most valuable position on any team in baseball (9.0 WARP, the only other positions over 8.0 were Braves C, Marlins RF, Reds 1B, and Rockies CF). Barnes was a 4 win player by BP metrics in 250 PA; Grandal was equivalent to about a 2.8 win player over that much playing time.

There are not that many 3 win 2B in baseball; there are almost no 3 win relief pitchers (Jansen, Kimbrel). A 3 win starting pitcher is last year’s Yu Darvish. Do you really think you’re gonna get any of those things for Yasmani Grandal?

It’s not clear that there’s a way to trade Grandal for an actual win upgrade next season; maybe if those wins are spread over several seasons, but 2 win players aren’t exactly hard for the Dodgers to come by; as it is they got 2.4 wins from 2b this year.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Just for emphasis: List of 2B worth more than 2.5 WAR last season in MLB:

Altuve, Ramirez, Dozier, Murphy, Schoop, Lowrie, Gordon, Cesar Hernandez, Cano, Whit Merrifield, Josh Harrison

Some of those players (Ramirez, Merrifield, Harrison) were multipositional.

List of relievers worth more than 2.5 WAR last year:

Jansen, Kimbrel, Knebel, Osuna, Neshek

Arguably, the Dodgers best move would be to acquire a real high quality outfielder and move Taylor back to 2b:

Cf over 2.5 wins were:

Trout, Blackmon, Pham, Chris Taylor, Yelich, Springer, Cain, McCutchen, Buxton, Inciarte, Odubel Herrera.

I’m not sure any of the teams that wants a catcher – all of whom want to compete next year – have any interest in parting with players of that caliber.

Does it make sense for the Dodgers, projected to be the best team in baseball by basically every projection system before FA signings, to give up 3 wins next year for some longer-term pieces?

Because its almost impossible for two teams trying to win now to make a mutually profitable trade, since anyone who improves the other team makes their own team worse by a sizable margin.

ChippersJonesing
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

“Does it make sense for the Dodgers, projected to be the best team in baseball by basically every projection system before FA signings, to give up 3 wins next year for some longer-term pieces?”

Yes, especially if it means improving postseason odds.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago

How does giving up wins next year improve their postseason odds next year?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

They made it to game 7 of the WS and are returning nearly everyone of any importance. How much better can their odds get?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I get where you’re coming from, but they’re losing Darvish already and it’s not a guarantee to get back (see: Cleveland).

ChippersJonesing
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

This is a fair point, but I do think, especially in the playoffs (where the Dodgers are most concerned with getting value), all the positions I listed are more valuable. Even if we accept that the Dodgers might, and I do think WARP overvalued catchers quite a bit, lose a couple regular season wins, I think the value a backend bullpen piece, a platoon partner for Forsythe, or a better starter in the rotation far far outweighs a backup catcher unlikely to see playing time.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago

I guess my main problem is that I don’t think there’s anyone who would give up the caliber of pitcher you’d need to make giving up Grandal worth it. The number of relievers with predictably good performance is low and they are much more valuable than he is, and the number of starters good enough to provide an upgrade over currently available options is also low.

They have enough league-average quality hitters that the 2b hole isn’t a very significant hole, you’d need a substantially better than average bat to actually upgrade there.

BenZobrist4MVP
8 years ago

Side note: The Rockies were hoping to have greatly improved framing this year: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-rockies-could-have-their-best-pitch-framing-in-history/. I guess that didn’t fully work out.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

Rockies were really harmed by injury: the dudes they trotted out there as substitutions, like Ryan Hanigan, were among the worst framers in baseball.

careaganMember since 2017
8 years ago

To me this question all comes down to where the market values Grandal. The Dodgers would probably be looking for higher upside, lower level prospects rather than young big leaguers or big league ready prospects since they don’t have any obvious holes on their roster. A team dealing for Grandal has to view him as a one-year rental during negotiations since they cannot guarantee they will extend him prior to the trade. What team attempting to contend in 2018 that is not set at catcher would be willing to meet the Dodgers price? Red Sox? Mets?

stever20Member since 2017
8 years ago

If we go to an electronic strike zone, wouldn’t the value of this be eliminiated in an instant? Can’t fool the eye in the sky.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  stever20

Perhaps, but since that’s not happening real soon I’m going to bet that Grandal gets a full career’s worth of framing value

stever20Member since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I think it may happen sooner rather than later. Didn’t I hear that this was tied into the pace of play stuff?

Waldan
8 years ago

Id keep him as a 7MM insurance policy on Barnes either regressing offensively or getting hurt. And since its an NL team, having the added flexibility of being able to double switch through a catcher without losing any real upside, seems valuable enough to a team that can afford to pay a backup 7 million. Unless the buyer blows you away of course.

BlueBloodedMember since 2017
8 years ago

Does FRAA, like WAR, accumulate over innings played, at bats, etc.? I assume that is the case

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  BlueBlooded

Yes, its cumulative. CSAA is the rate statistic, in which Barnes was first and Grandal was sixth in MLB.

BlueBloodedMember since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Thanks. Very helpful

francis_soyer
8 years ago

Nothing against Grandal and other framers, but being able to deceive umpires shouldn’t be part of the game.