The Early Returns on Travis Shaw at Second Base

Over the past few weeks, the Brewers have seemed to be in desperate need of a new second baseman. With Asdrubal Cabrera, Brian Dozier, and Eduardo Escobar all available, the market looked promising for the Milwaukee. The Brewers, however, acquired none of them.

Instead, the club went another route, trading for third baseman Mike Moustakas. Milwaukee’s third baseman at the time was Travis Shaw. After arriving from Boston prior to the start of the 2017 season, Shaw has been pretty great for Milwaukee,producing a 118 wRC+ and 6.0 WAR. Those figures actually exceed Moustakas’ numbers during that time; the now former Royal has recorded a 110 wRC+ and 3.7 WAR during the same timeframe. In order to accommodate Moustakas, however, Shaw has moved from third base to second. It’s a roundabout way to solving the second-base problem. Is it an effective one, though?

Let’s figure out some reasonable expectations for Shaw and draw some too-early conclusions based on his first day on the job.

Second and third base actually have the same positional adjustment in WAR — 2.5 runs over the course of a full season — so, generally speaking, we might expect similar defensive numbers at third and second base. There’s obviously a great deal of overlap in terms of the skillset that’s required to play either position. Historically, however, taller plays have been sent to third with their shorter peers moving to second base. Travis Shaw is on the bigger side, listed at 6-foot-4 and 230 pounds. That’s generally what might be thought of as the frame for a corner infielder and not someone playing up the middle. In fact, Shaw’s draft report at Baseball America from 2011 says the following:

Though Shaw has the hands and arm strength for the hot corner, he lacks quickness and agility, so he’ll probably have to move to first base as a pro.

That scouting report has more or less guided Shaw’s usage as a pro. He played mostly first base with the Red Sox, both throughout the minors and during his debut season. Most references to his defense indicated he was decent at first base. Kiley McDaniel mentioned Shaw was “passable” at third.

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When Pablo Sandoval played his way out of the starting job in the spring of 2016 and subsequently had shoulder surgery, Shaw became the everyday third baseman and he’s acquitted himself quite well ever since. In nearly 3,000 innings, he’s been slightly above average by UZR (+3.5) and even better than that by DRS (+22). Looking at the numbers, I feel pretty confident saying Shaw has turned himself into at least an average third baseman and maybe a bit better than that.

Exactly how those skills will translate to second base isn’t exactly clear. A look at the players with at least 500 plate appearances at second and third base since 2013, suggests a slight downturn, as the table below illustrates.

Moving Between Second and Third Since 2013
Name DEF/600 2B DEF/600 3B Difference/600 Difference/200
Yolmer Sanchez 9.2 4.6 4.6 1.5
Yangervis Solarte 1.6 -0.1 1.7 0.6
Derek Dietrich -2.2 -3.3 1.1 0.4
Matt Carpenter -3.3 -1.3 -2.0 -0.7
Josh Harrison 1.8 4.3 -2.5 -0.8
Aaron Hill -2.5 0.1 -2.6 -0.9
Jedd Gyorko 1.3 6.1 -4.8 -1.6
Brett Lawrie -6.4 0.2 -6.6 -2.2
Anthony Rendon 3.4 10.0 -6.6 -2.2
AVERAGE 0.3 2.3 -2.0 -0.7
At least 500 PA at both positions.

The last column is per 200 plate appearances, roughly the one-third of the season that’s remaining this year. This is just a small snapshot, of course — one that doesn’t completely account for playing time, age, and familiarity — but it does suggest that, for the rest of the season, the difference between Shaw at second and Shaw at third should be pretty negligible. Of the players Shaw’s size, only Matt Carpenter, listed at 6-foot-3 and 205 pounds, comes close to Shaw. At 28 years old, Shaw is still at the age of his career where his defensive skills should be fairly close to their height, even if he isn’t what he was a few years ago.

According to our Depth Charts, which currently project Mike Moustakas for a 115 wRC+ and Shaw for 108, the Brewers are about to gain one run on offense at third base the rest of the way, which should negate the potential loss of value from Shaw moving from third base to second base. Shaw figures to be about five runs better on offense at second base than the players he is replacing, so if he can handle second base with somewhat decent proficiency, that means about a half-win for Milwaukee. A pretty big upgrade. He has played in the area of second base before on shifts, as the play below demonstrates.

He doesn’t look the smoothest out there, but he’s got good hands and can get rid of the ball quickly, which is important. As for whether he can handle the position the rest of the season, let’s look at his only game at second base. (He was used in Sunday’s game as a pinch-hitter.)

In the second inning, with Evan Longoria up to bat, the Brewers were in the shift for the righty, with Shaw deployed at the typical shortstop position.

He handled the hop well and made the throw over to the first baseman on a play that might resemble something he’s seen at third base. Due to the velocity of the batted ball and Longoria’s modest speed, Shaw had plenty of time to make the throw without feeling rushed. If there are worries about Shaw’s range, they weren’t tested here and the throw wasn’t one made by a second baseman, either. Shaw made a solid play. Shaw might have been ready for a play to happen in innings 3-5, but no balls came his way until Andrew McCutchen came to bat in the sixth. Again, the Brewers had the shift on with Shaw playing in the normal shortstop position.

This was just a pop-up. Nothing to see here. Shaw wasn’t directly involved in any more plays for the rest of the inning, but he did show up in the back of the screen on this stolen-base attempt.

This might not say all that much about Shaw’s ability to handle second, but it does show he was at least moving toward second base to help back up the play. That’s probably not something he was required to do as much at third base, and maybe he was a little late on this play or another stolen-base attempt in the first, but he wasn’t caught flatfooted. The next inning provided Shaw with his only really difficult chance of the day, and he came through.

Again, not overly graceful. Shaw isn’t fast and his footwork might not be ideal, but he got his glove in the right place to make the play. In all, Shaw made every play required of him, including handling a somewhat difficult short hop. He also turned a potential bloop hit into an out. We didn’t see him have to make the pivot and turn a double play. We didn’t see him have to charge on a ball and make a quick throw to first. We didn’t see him have to range in either direction and make the throw to first at an unfamiliar angle.

There will be more tests to come for Shaw, but he passed the first one. It’s possible Milwaukee will choose to platoon Shaw for much of the rest of the season, further limiting his exposure to second base and maximizing his offensive impact. The Brewers needed an upgrade at second base, and even with a few hiccups, Shaw seems likely to provide that upgrade.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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Dmjn53
8 years ago

Would have made a lot more sense if this was to make room for Manny Machado, not Mike effing Moustakas

yaboynate
8 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

It’s actually Mike Christopher Moustakas.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

I think he will be fine. Quantifying defense is flawed, so there won’t be anything conclusive but a bad 2B doesn’t kill a team like a bad SS or CF does. With shifts it doesn’t have to matter much at all. I love the idea of leveraging the lack of significance of value at a few positions on the diamond. That doesn’t mean that machines will back it up… but it won’t cost the Brewers more than a game in all likelihood. Put another way, a legit corner bat at 2B should cancel it out and then some #jeffKent

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

I think that’s absolutely right. The Red Sox organisation never wanted to give Shaw a chance at 3B, because they’d read the scouting reports. When they needed him, he stepped up (adequate bat,decent defense). His bat got a whole heck of a lot better after the trade, and he beat out the scouting reports and actually fielded his position well.
I’m guessing that this is largely about the shifts. I have no evidence on how often Shaw, as a 3B, has been shifted, but the GIFs above seem to show that he can deal with it as a 3B. As a 2B — well, it’s not that far off, is it?
I’d say this is an experiment worth pursuing.

Paul22
8 years ago

He is an injury waiting to happen at 2B

scotman144Member since 2016
8 years ago

DJ LeMahieu is listed at the same height and 5 lbs more than Shaw. DJLM is a scratch 2B by UZR so Shaw’s size does not rule out this experiment necessarily.

MastaYoda33
8 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

DJLM is listed at 215 vs Shaw’s 230. It seems an odd fit at first glance, because we aren’t used to seeing 230 pounders at 2B, but every year it seems 2B becomes more of a “bat-first” position. You see more Daniel Murphy’s than Placido Polanco’s these days.

John Autin
8 years ago
Reply to  MastaYoda33

My gut said you’re right, but the stats say quite different: This year’s 2Bs have a combined .717 OPS, trailing every position except catcher. 3B is .765; 1B leads at .771, followed closely by DH, RF, 3B, then LF at .758. So there’s a much more traditional distribution this year.

scotman144Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  scotman144

…sigh: too many player pages open at once. FWIW the error bars on listed weights are pretty huge.

OnWI1933Member since 2016
8 years ago

I think CC must have some seriously good ‘soft’ skills in managing players. Braun has been relegated as a part-time player (deservedly) but with his resume you might expect some public complaining. So far, nothing. Eric Thames has talked previously on how he feels uncomfortable playing the outfield. But the Brewers need the offense so there he is most often in right and battling the position to a draw. Shaw is a fine third baseman but agrees to play second base to help out the team. Orlando Arcia is a well liked player who did earn his demotion but even with his replacements playing poorly nobody griped to the media. Not saying Craig is amazing. But that is a fair amount of player ego to handle.

Outta my way, Gyorkass
8 years ago
Reply to  OnWI1933

My biggest gripe with CC as a manager is his tendency to stick with his go-to pitchers like Knebel when it’s plainly obvious they don’t have their A-games. Other than that, he’s done a magnificent job with managing his players (particularly Braun and Thames) and getting them to buy into the roles most conducive to winning ballgames.

If Counsell can cut it out with stuff like Knebel pitching multiple innings and pull clearly struggling pitchers for the plethora of other very good bullpen options he has at his disposal, he’s damn near bulletproof.

Simmons2020
8 years ago

The Brewers are slowly but surely answering the question:
What if we just put 4 first baseman in the infield?

Outta my way, Gyorkass
8 years ago
Reply to  Simmons2020

Huh? Villar is a bit of a butcher in the field, and Saladino isn’t great, but Arcia is a very good defensive SS, Shaw has been a positive defender, and most of the other guys Counsell plays like Perez and Miller are capable infield defenders, if offensive liabilities.

Moustakas, FWIW, has also rated pretty well defensively throughout his career, so I’m really not sure where this is coming from. Playing Yuni B all over the infield like Roenicke used to do, this is not.

I can live with Aguilar not getting starts at third, but thankfully that’s been a pretty rare lineup decision.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Simmons2020

But who is a first baseman, really? Is it just the person with the 1B next to their name? Or is there something intrinsic about being a first baseman? Perhaps there is a little first baseman in all of us.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Simmons2020

Now that I think of it, Shaw and Moustakas are both third basemen, and Aguilar has also played 3rd this season. If they had traded for Machado, they could have had an all-third-base infield.

csw117
8 years ago
Reply to  Simmons2020

Dee P Gordon gets nervous.

RainmakerMember since 2016
8 years ago

Thinking about the plays you have to make at 2B, I think its fair to say most 3B with decent range (Shaw is 2nd in RngR this season) could probably handle the move from a perspective of fielded balls in play. The larger issues would seem to be the other elements of the position — double plays, covering SBs, cut-offs and so on. There’s just a lot more gameplay nuance to the position that Shaw will have learn and its somewhat difficult to try to do that mid-season…..which almost inevitably leads to “playing in your head” where guys physical performance struggles because they’re drowning in the mental game.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Rainmaker

I think there’s a pretty good chance Shaw will be good with reps. He’s a grinder, and has just enough physical gifts to make things work. He didn’t have a great arm for third either, so he may work out well at second.

I think that in the middle of the season, there is likely to be some growing pains. How severe those growing pains are is pretty unknown. So far, so good?

dcweber99
8 years ago

He looks a little awkward, and you can’t feel great about it in the one game playoff where the game really might come down to one play, but for the balance of the regular season, I’m sure they’ve become a better team.

The single biggest challenge will be the position specific details- covering first when the first baseman leaves, covering steals, being in the right spot as the cutoff man (and directing the shortstop when covering 2B), and the other small things that experienced second basemen do that a newbie might not think to do (in Josh Harrison’s case in Pittsburgh, he knows there is a liability at first in Josh Bell, so he frequently seems to call Bell off of popups that would usually belong to the 1B)

Outta my way, Gyorkass
8 years ago

I think the Brewers will be fine. Shaw has always had decent to good range, and has effectively played the position on defensive shifts regularly during his tenure with the team. Errors happen, and I don’t feel like he’s uniquely predisposed to them switching positions, at least when compared to their primary 2B Jonathan Villar, who commits plenty of head scratching errors playing his natural position.

The effective offensive upgrade of Moustakas over the revolving door of jabronies the Brewers have played at 2B should make this a net positive move, as Edwards has already pointed out.

My biggest hang up with the move was that I felt the Brewers kind of overpaid in the Moose trade, but that’s a position certainly open to criticism.

Brewtown_Kev
8 years ago

+1 for “jabronies”

I’m gonna be optimistic about this deal, and hope for the best. I don’t think it makes them worse!

carterMember since 2020
8 years ago

I for one welcome the day when shifts are some commonplace and data so plentiful that positional adjustments are “meh”.

Harper taking over as catcher for the Yankees down the stretch. You heard it here first. *only sort of kidding. Can you imagine if they never switched him off of his natural position?

Kevbot034
8 years ago

I think he’ll be fine. As long as he isn’t comically dreadful, he’s still a large upgrade from what they were trotting out there offensively to the point any small downgrade defensively shouldn’t hurt too bad.