The Era Committee Ballots Bring a Double Dose of Hall of Fame Candidates
The champagne from the Braves’ World Series win is barely dry and the offseason business of baseball is underway. Meanwhile, it’s going to be a bountiful season in terms of Hall of Fame debate if not results. On Friday afternoon, the Hall released the long-awaited 10-person ballots for both the Early Baseball and Golden Days Era Committees. Not only were both slates and their respective elections delayed by a year due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but this is the first time that either group has been considered under the staggered four-Era Committee format announced in the summer of 2016 — and the first time that Negro Leagues and pre-Negro Leagues Black baseball candidates have been considered since 2006. Both ballots will be voted upon by separate 16-member committees on December 5, with the results announced at 6 pm ET on MLB Network’s MLB Tonight.
This is also the first time that two Era Committee groups have been considered within the same election cycle, a dizzying proposition for those of us trying to sort it all out. And all of this is separate from the BBWAA slate of recently-retired candidates, which will be announced on November 22. If you’re wondering where we are in the staggered Era Committee schedule, this should clear things up (note that the year designated is for induction, and that the voting generally occurs in December of the previous year):
| Year | Committee(s) |
|---|---|
| 2017 | Today’s Game (1988-present) |
| 2018 | Modern Baseball (1970-1987) |
| 2019 | Today’s Game (1988-present) |
| 2020 | Modern Baseball (1970-1987) |
| 2021 | None |
| 2022 | Golden Days (1950-1969) and Early Baseball (to 1949) |
| 2023 | Today’s Game (1988-present) |
| 2024 | Modern Baseball (1970-1987) |
| 2025 | Today’s Game (1988-present) |
| 2026 | Modern Baseball (1970-1987) |
| 2027 | Golden Days (1950-1969) |
The Early Baseball Era Committee ballot covers candidates who made their greatest impacts in baseball prior to 1950. The 10 candidates, all deceased, are Bill Dahlen, John Donaldson, Bud Fowler, Vic Harris, Grant “Home Run” Johnson, Lefty O’Doul, Buck O’Neil, Dick “Cannonball” Redding, Allie Reynolds and George “Tubby” Scales.
The Golden Days Era Committee ballot covers candidates who made their greatest impacts during the 1950-69 period. The 10 candidates are Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Roger Maris, Minnie Miñoso, Danny Murtaugh, Tony Oliva, Billy Pierce and Maury Wills. Of that group, only Kaat, Oliva, and Wills are alive.
The most familiar name from the first bunch besides that of O’Neil is probably Dahlen, a turn-of-the-century shortstop who ranks 11th at the position in JAWS and who happens to be the only candidate repeating from the 2016 Pre-Integration Era Committee ballot — but not even the recipient of the most votes on a slate where nobody got the necessary 75% (more on that topic below). Indeed, one of the bigger surprises of the announcement is the comparative lack of 19th- and early 20th-century candidates from the National, American, and bygone whites-only leagues; they take up just three of the 10 spots, with Dahlen joined by Reynolds, a five-time All-Star pitcher who was a key component on six World Series-winning Yankees teams, and O’Doul, a pitcher-turned-outfielder who won two NL batting titles during an abbreviated major league career but made an even bigger contribution in spreading the game to Japan both before and after World War II.
That trio is joined by seven candidates who span the range of the Black baseball experience prior to integration. In a break from the standard ballot assembly process involving an Historical Overview Committee consisting solely of elder statespeople from the BBWAA, this ballot was assembled with the input of five historians, namely Gary Ashwill, Adrian Burgos Jr., Phil Dixon, Leslie Heaphy, and Claire Smith, all of whom have considerable credentials and expertise on the subject.
Fowler, who actually grew up in Cooperstown, is widely considered to be the first Black professional baseball player, a pitcher and second baseman who played on integrated teams as early as 1878. Johnson, a shortstop and second baseman, was an elite two-way player whose career spanned from 1893 to 1914. Redding was a fireballing pitcher whose career ran from 1911 (Johnson was his first manager, on the Philadelphia Giants) to ’38; he starred for some of the top independent teams of the pre-Negro Leagues era. Donaldson, known primarily as a pitcher but also as an outfielder and manager, starred in Black baseball as far back as 1912, and while he did pitch and play center field for the Kansas City Monarchs when the Negro National League was founded in ’20 — indeed, he’s said to have named the team — he’s more recognized for his decades as a barnstormer, helping to establish a business model that was profitable for Black teams.
Scales, a second and third baseman, starred for several Negro Leagues and independent teams from 1920 to ’46. Harris starred in the Negro Leagues as a left fielder and managed the Homestead Grays to seven Negro National League pennants. O’Neil played first base for some powerhouse Monarchs teams, then later managed the Monarchs, became a scout for major league teams starting in 1955, and then the first Black coach for an AL or NL team (the Cubs, in 1962) and finally “probably the greatest ambassador the Negro Leagues ever had,” to use the words of Hall of Famer Joe Morgan.
After the Special Committee on the Negro Leagues elected 17 candidates in 2006, the Hall “indicated that the books were closed on the Negro Leagues pending more information that came forth from the research community,” as president Jeff Idelson said in 2016. That research has since come forward as part of a massive, ongoing effort to flesh out the statistical record for Black baseball. The fruits of that effort are now available at Baseball Reference. Meanwhile, last December Major League Baseball announced its decision to officially recognize seven Negro Leagues that operated between 1920 and ’48 as major leagues, making the statistics and accomplishments of some 3,400 players part of the major league record. As noted above, however, not all of the Black candidates fit neatly within that 1920-48 window.
Here’s a quick rundown of when each of the candidates were last considered for election in any context:
| Candidate | Last Considered |
|---|---|
| Bill Dahlen | 2016 Pre-Integration ballot (50%) |
| Allie Reynolds | 2012 Golden Era ballot (< 18.8%) |
| Lefty O’Doul | 2007 Veterans Committee ballot (18%) |
| John Donaldson | 2006 Special Committee final ballot |
| Bud Fowler | 2006 Special Committee final ballot |
| Buck O’Neil | 2006 Special Committee final ballot |
| Dick “Cannonball” Redding | 2006 Special Committee final ballot |
| George Scales | 2006 Special Committee final ballot |
| Vic Harris | 2006 Special Committee preliminary ballot |
| Grant “Home Run” Johnson | 2006 Special Committee preliminary ballot |
Dahlen actually fared better (10 votes out of 16, 62.5%) on the 2013 Pre-Integration ballot, while Reynolds did better on the 2009 Veterans Committee ballot, where Dahlen finished with “three or fewer votes” (25% or less). Those two and O’Doul were additionally voted upon several times during the 1953-2001 period by the old Veterans Committee, which considered far larger ballots and did not report actual vote totals beyond those elected.
Of the Black baseball group, all seven were on the preliminary 94-candidate ballot for the 2006 Special Committee on the Negro Leagues, with all but Harris and Johnson making the cut for the 39-candidate final ballot; from that group, 17 were elected but, famously, not O’Neil or Miñoso. Via the research of Graham Womack, it appears that Harris and Redding are the only two known to have been previously voted upon by the Veterans Committee between 1978 and ’94, when that body took over consideration of Negro Leagues candidates after the original Committee on Negro League Baseball Leagues — the body that elected Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, and seven other players from 1971-77 — disbanded.
As with any Era Committee ballot, a few omissions inevitably stand out. First and foremost for the Early Baseball group is that of Doc Adams, a pioneer who on the 2016 ballot led all candidates with 10 out of 16 votes. No less an authority than MLB official historian John Thorn called Adams “first among the Fathers of Baseball” in a 1993 essay for Total Baseball and “the most significant figure in the early history of baseball” in his 2011 book Baseball in the Garden of Eden. Danile Lucious Adams — who lived from 1814 to 1899, graduated Yale and Harvard Medical School and practiced medicine (hence the nickname) — is the man who bears the true responsibility for setting the bases 90 feet apart and for creating the shortstop position. Additionally, his “Laws of Base Ball,” drafted in 1857 for presentation to the Knickerbocker Base Ball Club and then a convention of New York clubs, proposed the standardization of nine-man lineups, 90 feet between bases, and nine-inning games — innovations all inaccurately credited to Alexander Cartwright on his Hall of Fame plaque — as well as the “fly rule,” which eliminated balls caught on one bounce from being automatic outs. Adams also worked to standardize and refine the construction of balls and bats, innovations that helped to make baseball a national game. Why he was left off this ballot is both a mystery and a disappointment; my heart sank on Thorn’s behalf upon reading the contents of the ballot and noting that particular omission. Looking at the matter from a glass-half-full standpoint, Adams’ absence might at least make it easier for the newcomers to get elected, but yeesh, another 10 years is a long time to wait for an all-too-overlooked foundational figure to get his due.
Also notably absent after having fared well on previous ballots are slugging 19th-century outfielder Harry Stovey (50% in 2016) and pitcher (and slugger) Wes Ferrell, who received 50% in 2009 but slipped into “fewer than” territory on the 2013 and ’16 ballots. Nineteenth century pitcher Jim McCormick, the subject of a grassroots advocacy by the @McCormick_HOF account, is nowhere to be found, either. From among the Black baseball candidates, names such as John Beckwith, Rap Dixon, Dick Lundy, and Spotswood Poles — all Special Committee finalists in 2006 — draw mention from experts as similarly worthy of enshrinement.
Debating the merits of those who aren’t here isn’t a particularly productive enterprise, however, not when we have 20 candidates who deserve (and will receive) a closer examination here at FanGraphs in the coming weeks. Speaking of the other 10, the more familiar ones from the Golden Days period, eight were considered as part of the 2015 Golden Era Committee slate, which covered the 1947-72 years and produced a shutout:
| Candidate | Last Considered |
|---|---|
| Dick Allen | 2015 Golden Era ballot (68.8%) |
| Tony Oliva | 2015 Golden Era ballot (68.8%) |
| Jim Kaat | 2015 Golden Era ballot (62.5%) |
| Maury Wills | 2015 Golden Era ballot (56.3%) |
| Minnie Miñoso | 2015 Golden Era ballot (50%) |
| Ken Boyer | 2015 Golden Era ballot (<18.8%) |
| Gil Hodges | 2015 Golden Era ballot (<18.8%) |
| Billy Pierce | 2015 Golden Era ballot (<18.8%) |
| Danny Murtaugh | 2010 Veterans Committee Managers/Umpires ballot (50%) |
| Roger Maris | 2007 Veterans Committee ballot (18%) |
Kaat (62.5%), Hodges (56.3%), and Miñoso (56.3%) all fared as well or better on the 2012 Golden Era ballot, from which Ron Santo was finally elected. Prior to 2015, Allen was previously considered on the 2009 Veterans Committee ballot, which was voted upon only by living Hall of Famers; he received just 10.9% in that context, where Kaat (59.4%), Oliva (51.6%), Hodges (43.8%), and Wills (23.4%) all fared better. All of those candidates and Maris were also considered by the expanded Veterans Committee in 2007, when Frick and Spink Award winners were part of the voting body.
These men don’t need much in the way of introductions, but here goes, lightning-round style. Allen was an elite hitter who won Rookie of the Year and MVP honors while playing primarily for the Phillies and White Sox. After falling one vote short in 2015, he appeared to have momentum in his favor thanks to some publicity via Phillies, who retired his number 15 last September; sadly, he died of cancer last December 7, one day after the slate would have been voted upon at the Winter Meetings. Boyer, a standout two-way third baseman, was the NL MVP in 1964, when he helped the Cardinals beat out Allen’s Phillies for the NL pennant and then win the World Series. Hodges, a popular and productive first baseman, helped the Dodgers to seven pennants and later managed the 1969 Mets to a championship. Kaat was a long-lasting lefty who won 283 games. Maris, a right fielder, was a two-time MVP who helped his teams win three championships and seven pennants; in 1961 he broke Babe Ruth’s single-season home run record by hitting 61.
Miñoso, whose career began in the Negro Leagues, was the majors’ first Black Latino star, “our Jackie Robinson,” as Orlando Cepeda famously said. Murtaugh, the lone manager of the group, piloted the Pirates to titles in 1960 and ’71 as well as three additional playoff appearances. Oliva, an outfielder who was a longtime teammate of Kaat’s with the Twins, won three batting titles in a career curtailed by knee injuries. Pierce, another venerable lefty, was a seven-time All-Star who won 211 games. Wills, a speedy shortstop, helped to bring the stolen base back into vogue, leading the NL in the category annually from 1960-65 and setting a single-season record in ’62, when he stole 104 bases and won NL MVP honors.
Again, there are notable absences. In the wake of the 2020 Modern Baseball Era Committee election of former Major League Baseball Players Association executive director Marvin Miller, there was a movement to elect Curt Flood, who sacrificed his career to challenge the reserve clause. Flood’s name hasn’t appeared on a ballot since 2007, and like Miller, he was thoroughly neglected by the living Hall of Famers, receiving just 17% of the vote that year, which was up from about 12% in each of the previous two cycles. In February 2020, 102 members of Congress signed a letter to the Hall of Fame in support of Flood’s election.
Also absent from the ballot is one player whose recent passing I had hoped would prompt a closer look, Bill Freehan. The longtime Tigers catcher (1961, ’63-76) went one and done on the 1982 ballot and hasn’t appeared on an Era Committee ballot since; with a career that straddled the Golden Days and Modern Baseball periods, it’s not even clear that this is his proper classification, but about 55% of his plate appearances, his 11 All-Star appearances and his 44.9 WAR all took place in the earlier period, during which he helped the Tigers win the 1968 World Series. Another raw deal, not that he’d be the best candidate here.
Indeed, this is a strong ballot full of players who have generated significant support and come close to election before. In my view Miñoso is the single most deserving player under the purview of the Era Committees, and even the addition of his limited statistics from the 1946-48 Negro Leagues makes clear that he should have been playing in the majors earlier than he did. Allen, whose career was significantly affected by his early mishandling by the Phillies (they sent him to integrate the Arkansas League in 1963, where he was subject to death threats) is second on my wish list; both he and Miñoso were profiled at length in The Cooperstown Casebook and will receive similar treatment here. Boyer is 14th among third basemen in JAWS, with the ninth-best peak score. Kaat, Hodges, Oliva, and Wills have accomplishments that hold more appeal for those guided by traditional statistics (they fare much less well in JAWS) which still carry a lot of weight when half of the voters are Hall of Fame players.
I’m again reminded of something Joe Posnanski wrote in relation to the 2015 ballot about the difficulty of getting anybody to 75% when voters are limited to four votes per ballot, and can’t fit all of the strong candidates on there:
Let’s say that you ask all 16 voters a question: Should Dick Allen be in the Hall of Fame? And let’s say that 14 of them say, “Yes.” That’s good right? Fourteen of 16 is 88%, way above the Hall of Fame threshold. OK, Allen is in!
Wrong. Even then he would probably NOT get in. Remember: There were at least FIVE strong candidates, and each voter was limited to four. If Allen had a 80% chance to appear on each of those 14 ballots, there would STILL be less than a 50% chance (44.8% to be exact) of him getting the 12 votes he needs for the Hall of Fame.
Gulp. On the positive side, the recent Era Committee ballots have at least come back with two Hall of Famers per year; I may not agree with the election of Jack Morris (2018 Modern Baseball) but it was accompanied by that of the long-overdue Alan Trammell and helped clear space for Miller and Ted Simmons two years later; we’ll see what happens with the Today’s Game ballot next year in the wake of Harold Baines‘ questionable 2019 election. And while I’m far less keen on Kaat, Oliva, and Wills than most, electing a living ex-player has its positives as well, though I remain heartbroken for the Miñoso and Allen families and friends that those two did not live to see their own enshrinements.
It promises to be quite an eventful pair of elections, and I’ll do my best to dig into the merits of each candidate here in a timely fashion, though not all of them will get space on par with the BBWAA candidates.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Might be a hot take, but I don’t think Maris belongs anywhere near the hall. I’d even go so far as to say I don’t like that his number is retired by the Yankees.
Hall of Fame peak, for sure, but the overall body of work just isn’t that good.
I see you are a proponent of a Small Hall Of Overall Body Of Work
I am all for big hall, but let’s be real- he had two Hall of Fame (otherworldly) seasons, but the rest is just… average. And he doesn’t have any of the counting stats. Hall of Fame peak? Maybe, but again, a series of four years where he only got MVP votes in the years he actually won it.
Agree – you don’t have to be a small-hall proponent at all to think Maris shouldn’t be enshrined.
If Maris had hit 59 homers in 1961, he wouldn’t even be under discussion. Two home runs shouldn’t make that much difference. Great guy, elite player for a couple of years; not a Hall of Famer.
That said, thoughts on Lou Brock? Maris had 36.9 fWAR in his 12 season career. Brock was better 1964-1975, but not by a lot (41.3 fWAR).
Sure, we shouldn’t throw away those 4.4 wins or anything or the 1.9 extra wins he accrued over the rest of his career, but:
1) those 1.9 extra wins were over 2895 PA — averaging 0.4 wins per 600 PA isn’t like some super valuable asset.
2) those extra 4.4 wins during the peak years came in 8340 PA (to Maris’ 5846). I’m not going to argue that “being in the lineup” isn’t important, but again back to rates, we’re talking 3.8 vs 3.0 fWAR/600 PA
Overall Brock was worth 6.3 more wins in 5389 extra PA (0.70 fWAR/600)
Maybe Hack Wilson is a better comp? Also played in 12 seasons and had a similar outlier in a single year HR total.
Wilson was elected by the Vet Committee decades after his death with 5.2 more fWAR (in similar PA), but without the two MVPs that Maris has.
Or maybe the answer is that Maris isn’t a HoFer and Hack Wilson shouldn’t have been either and maybe Brock is debatable (as essentially similar value plus being a bit of a compiler)
You’re probably right about the Hall of Fame, but I will argue that his previous home run record does have significance for the decision for the Yankees to retire his number.
Justice for Dick Allen! Also I’d think that although he wasn’t quite as good as Jackie Robinson (who was ridiculously good), you don’t have to be quite as good as Jackie Robinson to get when you’re a trailblazer like him or Minoso. I’d also at least consider Kaat, although he’s more of a borderline case who I probably wouldn’t go for (bWAR really, really doesn’t like Kaat’s years with the Twins for some reason, and I don’t exactly buy it).
Your right on Kaat & BWar, never realized that before. They have him at 0.4 WAR in a year where he pitched 263 innings with a 126 ERA+..Hmm. Something is fishy there.
Does Kaat get some “extra credit” for his long announcing career?
Kaat’s playing career was about as HOFerish as Phil Rizzuto’s. For either guy, the combo with the announcing career seems like a fair basis for inclusion in the Hall.
Don’t measure players against the lowest bar for induction – measure it against the average inductee for the position. If we measure against an especially egregious inductee and say “everyone better than that should be in” then we end up with a HOF that includes guys like Travis Hafner and Mike Hampton.
Agreed, otherwise you’d have to include almost every position player with a better career than Llyod Waner.
Well, if you measured against average and only let those in that met that criterion, then you’d slowly let in fewer and fewer new inductees, as the average crept up. I think if you are going to use this construct of judging players against past inductees, you’d need to look at the 15 or 20% mark, so you are excluding the players who maybe didn’t deserve to be enshrined, but you also aren’t asking new inductees to be better than older, deserved inductees.
I don’t think I’d vote for Kaat. He compares similarly to Tommy John, who I would vote for, but I’d give Tommy John the tiebeaker for having the most influential surgery recovery in baseball history. Kaat’s also clearly behind several of his other contemporaries (Seaver and Gibson specifically, but also Gaylord Perry and Steve Carlton).
But I really don’t think he’s as low as JAWS suggests. Something weird is going on with bREF and him.
I don’t think you can eliminate a guy based on the number of contemporaries that are already in- especially when you’re talking about a guy with an incredibly lengthy career like Kaat. To me, Kaat is in, but I wouldn’t shed any tears if he doesn’t make it.
He should get some for his fielding.
Sixteen years of gold gloves should count for something.
Isn’t his fielding already factored into his run prevention?
Well, it would be factored into Pitching bWAR but not Pitching fWAR, which makes his oddly low bWAR numbers even more strange.
If you asked me who are the favorites to get in that aren’t exactly sabermetric darlings, it would be Kaat because of his wins and his announcing career and Gil Hodges. Hodges I would put up with Dick Allen and Minnie Minoso as the most likely to get in on the Golden Era Ballot. He’s always had strong sentiment on his side for obvious reasons.
The problem if you put in Gil Hodges is now fans of Norm Cash, Lee May, Boog Powell, Ted Kluzewski, Andres Galarraga, Jack Clark, Steve Garvey, Willie Horton, Tino Martinez, etc get to bitch & moan about their guy not getting in & we open up that Pandora’s Box of guys that are generally not worthy of induction.
Point well taken about Hodges’ playing comps. But I don’t know if that opens up that Pandora’s Box because Hodges is one of the most unique cases because of his managing role with the 1969 Amazins. I think we all know if he gets in, Hodges is being enshrined for total baseball contributions even though technically BHOF has always pigeon holed candidates into player or manager.
I’m not advocating for Hodges, but brace yourself for his induction. A lot of positive things going for him, i.e. strong voting history, romanticism about the 1950s Dodgers and I’ve read a lot of positive sentiment about him recently. Vin Scully vouched for him yesterday on Twitter and that’s like God backing you.
The strange 1965 statline for Kaat seems to come down to two things. 1) He allowed 38 UER, making his RA9 mark 4.12 vs. his 2.83 ERA. 2) The Twins’ defense rated out well above-average.
Since B-R.com’s pitching WAR leans more heavily on straight-up runs allowed and weighs the impact of team defense very broadly, it looks like he got dinged pretty starkly on two ends. As Ben Clemens has noted with regard to Aaron Nola’s wild 10.2 bWAR 2018 season, the Phillies’ awful defense was actually solid when Nola pitched, allowing him to reap the benefits both in reality and in WAR calculation when given a boost from the team’s overall defensive suckiness. There is certainly a possibility that the reverse is true for Kaat, but it looks like these two factors are what somehow caused such an impressive looking statline to rate out poorly via WAR.
I think part of that might have to do with the oddly high number of 38 unearned runs. I believe Baseball Reference uses a RA9 formula, not an ERA based one but I may be incorrect
I’m a big Hall guy, so I would probably put in most of these guys. Maris, Murtaugh, Pierce and Wills are all guys that I don’t feel that strongly about, but I like them all better than Harold Baines as Hall of Famers.
I’m having a hard time seeing an argument for Wills. Stole a ton of bases (inefficiently, 73%) but his career batting line isn’t even close to league average. Sure he was better than Baines, but the “Baines is a HOF, so every 2-3 WAR player is now a HOF” doesn’t work
I fully agree with this. But the recent election of Harold Baines by an Eras committee muddies the waters on who belongs and who will get admitted. I don’t expect any more Baines style elections, but noting that none of these players would be as bad a selection seems relevant. These guys would be more along the lines of Jack Morris, “I’d rather we didn’t, but whatever” style candidates.
Again, again, don’t measure against the worst possible induction at a position. Just because the HOF or one of the veteran’s committees or other induction committees made a terrible error in judgment doesn’t mean we have to compound it by making it a hundred times over.
I’d rather not go down the Morris wormhole again, because he’s pretty clearly not statistically a HOF, but at least he had a 6 year run where he averaged 4.5 WAR per season. That’s at least Hall of Very Good, which is a tier above Baines and the other guys were talking about
& Morris looks a lot better by traditional measures (wins, CG, innings pitched, post season success, #1 pitcher on a team, etc) than by advanced metrics. Similar to Catfish Hunter (another guy that shouldn’t be in)
Honestly, if he would have been elected in 2000 the teeth gnashing wouldn’t have been nearly as large. (& No, he is not deserving).
You’re right of course, I didn’t mean to single out Jack Morris as the “worst possible guy in the HOF”, he was just the guy whose name came up and who does pretty clearly fall below most folks’ HOF standards.
I fully expect people to bring up Baines and Morris in any discussion of bad candidates for generations to come. To me, as soon as you mention those names (and Jim Rice) you’re admitting that your candidate isn’t really deserving.
Frankly, your philosophy on big or small HOF will determine how you look at these guys. Small HOFers (like me) see like maybe Buck O’Neill and/or Minnie Minoso and the rest are nice but unnecesary — more HoVG type. Big HOF like you see this as a target rich environment.
Hall of Very Good, ugh. I hate that cliché.
HALL OF ADEQUACY! This year’s nominees include Todd Stottlemyre, Jay Bell, Dean Palmer, Ruben Sierra, and Jason Schmidt.
Oh, love this idea – Tito Landrum, Floyd Rayford. I could go on for hours….
I’d be happy with any of O’Neil, Kaat, Minoso, Boyer, Allen.
Hard pass on the others. Oliva is the best of those, but, he just falls a little short. Needed a few more prime years.
To me, those are the only ones on this list that are even worth talking about for the hall (minus Boyer).
I’m not wild about Kaat, Oliva or Wills either, but the fact that they’re living would make me take a longer look at each.
The Ron Santo posthumous induction was the most infuriating because it seemed inevitable that he would get in and the Veterans Committee dicked him around.
I just hope our favorites (Keith Hernandez, Lou Whitaker, Dwight Evans) on the Modern Era are around to hold their Hall of Fame plaque.
The absence of 19th century players and figures like Pete Browning and Bobby Matthews shows gross ignorance by the selectors. The voters are also not necessarily experts about baseball history- in fact, their qualifications for being on these committees are unknown. There should be a separate committee for pre-1920 figures, composed of genuine experts, which meets every year or two.
The absence of antebellum players like Dickey Pearce shows something too.
Dahlen, Miñoso and Johnson would make the Hall better and more credible. Boyer, Allen and Redding are good too. The rest don’t matter to me. If they want to put O’Neil, Hodges and Kaat in for lifetime achievement, playing and otherwise, it’s not ridiculous.
So I realized something:
The HOF pushed each of the era committees back a year. No biggie, right?
Except that means the “Today’s Game” committee will meet next year instead of this year. Also no biggie, right?
Except… this will be the last year on the writer’s ballot for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling. I doubt any of those three will be elected by the BBWAA. So that means they’ll be on the “Today’s Game” ballot next year…
…meaning that the players who should have been considered (and elected) this year around (Fred McGriff, take a bow!) will have to share a ballot with the aforementioned trio… meaning it’s going to be super difficult for them – or anyone – to get the necessary votes because of the ballot restrictions.
Long story short, if you’re a BBWAA writer, vote for Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens this year. Get them in the Hall of Fame today so we can clear the road for Fred McGriff tomorrow.
This is creative, but McGriff will sail in even with those guys on the ballot. The Veterans committee has shown no inclination to admit known roiders yet. Who knows with Schilling, but that’s just one guy, won’t hurt Crime Dog though. I’m already planning my trip to see him inducted in 2023.
Say what you will about Bonds and Clemens, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I recognize Schilling as a Hall of Famer.
Minnie Miñoso should have been in the Hall decades ago. He’s got a borderline HoF statistical case even without any context— 50 to 55 career WAR, 133 wRC+ with more walks than strikeouts, and that’s with not having gotten a chance to play full time before age 25 for “reasons” obviously outside of his control. His trailblazing status fighting through those “reasons” obviously only adds to his case.
Question about Kaat’s stats— by fWAR he clears 70 career WAR, which is a slam dunk HoFer to me, but by bWAR he’s just over 50. What’s responsible for this unusually huge discrepancy? For long careers, fWAR and bWAR are usually very comparable, I can’t recall anyone else with even a double-digit WAR gap like this, let alone 20 WAR.
Miñoso’s numbers look a lot better if one gives any sort of reasonable credit for his Negro League play via translations or however one does it.
On FG Kaat’s RA9 WAR is 58 vs FIP WAR at 70, largely because of BIP. I guess he did have Harmon Killebrew and Zoilo Versalles and Rod Carew in his IF. If someone wanted to make a case for him around having terrible defense it could be reasonable.
Other than just the general “nobody really cares too much about somebody whom no one alive saw play,” I can’t help but wonder why Sherry Magee never gets any traction for Hall of Fame support. Despite some pretty atrocious defensive numbers (although he had a good defensive reputation at the time), he’s sitting at 63.4 fWAR and 59.4 bWAR, which is a far sight better than somebody like Lefty O’Doul (who, memorably, was Joe DiMaggio’s bodyguard and driver, and features in Silent Season of a Hero, maybe the best piece of short nonfiction about baseball ever written).
Magee was a consistently great hitter — having his best year in 1910 when he led the NL in BA, OBP, SLG, R, and RBI, one of four times he led the league in RBI — and had 6 different seasons over 5 fWAR before his career was ended by illness — he caught the 1918 flu (topical!) and it sapped him of his strength, leading to him missing most of the 1919 season and then retiring just after turning 35.
Magee’s always struck me as the best player not in the Hall of Fame (other than the steroid guys and Pete Rose, etc.), and I’m just unclear as to why he never seems to get any traction at all.