The Hedonic Value of Victories and Attending Games

This subject is something I’ve juggled for the past few months. If it sucks, I blame Carson Cistulli. Not because his Marcel of Joy series probably spawned it, but because everything that goes wrong is clearly his fault. I’d also dish some of the discredit Tommy Bennett’s way. He’s basically the sabermetric version of Jay Electronica and helped me flesh this out beyond its initial stages.

I’ve looked over the Yankees’ gamelogs for attendance numbers as well as the Rays’. The one thing that always stands out is that people go to the games against the Red Sox while nobody goes to the games against the Orioles. The Red Sox were the second best team in the division last year with the Yankees and Rays flanking them. Without doubt, they are and have been a superior team to the Orioles for a while now. Ultimately, we go to games to be entertained and experience joy, so why don’t more people go to Orioles games?

It would seem that a win is more enjoyable to experience than a defeat. I’d rather go to a Rays game where they win than one where they lose. And, I’m not sure if I went to those games against the Washington Nationals last season because subconsciously I wanted to see victories, but I suppose I could’ve been on a losing strike without really knowing it. If I asked a thousand Yankee fans which team they’d rather pay to see live, 95% would say the Red Sox and the other 5% would make vulgar comments about the folks from Boston. But is this rational?

If the goal of attending a game is to enjoy oneself, and we get the most enjoyment from attending victories, then why wouldn’t people regularly attend more games where victory is in higher likelihood? Of course, the obvious answer is that the spread of the odds of victory aren’t so extreme as to attend any game that can be marked down as a definitive win.

Does it come down to the hedonic value of a defeat over the Red Sox, one that a victory over the Orioles doesn’t carry with? Or is there something more? The Orioles tickets are likely cheaper and the seating choices likely more expansive. Fewer people are prone to attend, which means the social aspect is diminished, although there’s probably fewer [expletive] Sox fans too.

Much like I did with the 116 wins versus a world title post, I’d like to pose some discussion questions; I am hopeful none of these result in someone telling me I don’t belong on this site, but I accept full blame if it comes to that. As for those questions:

1. Say you are a Yankee fan and price is irrelevant. Would you rather buy tickets to an Oriole or Red Sox game?
2. Would you pay more money to guarantee that you are attending a victory? If yes, how much more?
3. Do you ever consider the likelihood of a victory when purchasing tickets, or do you base your decisions on availability? Or is it purely on the quality of the opponent?





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Mike
14 years ago

The answers to 1, 2 and 3:
I look forward to the day when my team isn’t the most likely to win against part of this equation.

David MVP Eckstein
14 years ago
Reply to  Mike

hahahaaa. Greatest comment ever.

Personally, I think the value depends on the person. From 2007 until the end of this year, I was on a 17 live game “win streak.” I even spent 5 straight games between Milwaukee and Wrigley in May. For me, the value of the WIN was more important because I wanted the streak to continue. I saw more Padres games than I did Cardinals games last season. Maybe that’s also because Cards tix are almost 2x as much, but I digress.

Now that my streak is broken (thanks to Marmol and the Reds), I would honestly rather see the competition and rivalry. Id rather get into a beer-fueled “you suck” with a Cards fan at Wrigley than see the Cubs clobber the nationals, to be frank. Auto-win games are somewhat boring….

It also depends on what TEAM you are a fan of. No one wants to goto a phillies game because they have to pretend to be phillies fans there, lest they be murdered

David MVP Eckstein
14 years ago

when i say phillies game, i mean a game @ Philly

don
14 years ago

Let’s be fair, the Phillies aren’t the Eagles.

David MVP Eckstein
14 years ago

I didn’t say boo santa, These are the guys who chucked batteries at JD Drew (granted, some fan did that to Jacque Jones…) and applauded when Ankiel almost broke his neck

Bill Baer
14 years ago

@David MVP Eckstein

Ankiel “almost broke his neck” in St. Louis, not in Philadelphia, so the applause was done out of respect.

I hate the Phillies-fans-as-savages plot line. Other teams’ fans have acted just as boorishly, if not more so. During an Oakland A’s game a few years ago, someone chucked a cherry bomb that injured a little boy. Tom Gamboa was mauled by two drunk fans in Chicago during a Royals-White Sox game.

Sorry for the long rant, but boorish behavior isn’t inherent to being a fan of any particular team; it’s inherent to naturally being a jackass. And jackasses live all over this vast country of ours.

pounded clown
14 years ago

@ David MVP Eckstein –

So neither non-Angels nor non-Dodgers fans should want to go to either teams’ home games because they too must pretend to be Angels fans or Dodgers fan at their respective parks “lest they be murdered”. After all, on 4-8-09 a fight at the Angels home opener killed someone only to be followed 5 days later by the 4-13-09 fatal stabbing of a Giants fan at the Dodgers home opener. There was also the 9-19-03 fatal shooting of a Giants fan in the Dodgers parking lot.

David MVP Eckstein
14 years ago

Alls I’m saying is this. I’ve gone to various games in my cubs uniform. I was “infamously” on TV holding up a “vulgar” sign (which said “Both of you suck”) wearing my Soto jersey in the bleachers of a Royals-Indians game in 2008 when Grady Sizemore hit a HR to the row in front of me. Now, I pissed off a lot of fans at the game with that sign and my refusal to get rid of it because it was offensive when security asked me to (my rebuttal argument was that a sign like this is much less offensive than a grinning red indian as your mascot…), but I felt safe there.

I wouldn’t dare ever do such a thing at Philly.

David MVP Eckstein
14 years ago

I meant to say “I’ve gone to various games in my cubs uniform and been a hell raiser”

pounded clown
14 years ago

@ David MVP Eckstein
I know alot of Philly fans who cop to alot of our trepasses even though they didn’t participate in them….although some are sensitive about the Santa Snowball incident and feel that it’s been “misrepresented”. See http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/eagles/2003-11-27-santa-snowballs_x.htm
This particular one always makes me smile in that devil’s apprentice type of way. However, the applauding of Michael Irving career ending injury makes me cringe. I’d even advise you not to hold up a sign if you come to see the Cubs at CBP. Then again I’ve seen this guy at several games who wears a ’93 Blue Jays jersey and we were not even playing the Jays. (This season with Halladay here more Jays jerserys wouldn’t suprise me). Even more crazy was the first time I saw the guy was Game 2 of the ’08 NLDS against the Brewers. For someone looking to start something and that he wore it on several occasions and wasn’t in a full body cast, might be an indication that you could hold up a Cubs sign at a CBP…eh..then again I still wouldn’t test the waters esp. after the Victorino beer incident at Wrigley. People ragging on the Philly fanbase is nothing new to us (I expect it) but with stuff like “lest they be murdered”… well let’s say it’s not the first time I responded to a similiar comment by listing the unfortunate events in LA and Anaheim. Let’s be thankful that despite the recent violence at ball parks, nothing compares to the the trail of tears soccer hooliganism has left in it’s wake the world over. If interested check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism
After reading this, I thought, good thing MLS is still in its infancy.

don
14 years ago

There’s a huge difference between going to away games to root for your team and going to away games for the express purpose of being obnoxious. The former isn’t going to get you into any more trouble in Philadelphia than it will anywhere else.. The latter can get you in trouble anywhere. Of course, if you’re going just to be a ‘hell raiser’, I’d just as soon you stay home (but don’t throw beer at our players).