The Matt Harvey News Isn’t Good
Three seasons ago, Matt Harvey was one of the best pitchers in all of major-league baseball. Over 26 starts, his 2.00 FIP was the best among all starters. His 2.27 ERA placed behind only Clayton Kershaw and Jose Fernandez’s marks by that measure. Despite a relative deficit of innings, Harvey’s 6.5 WAR was third among pitchers behind only Clayton Kershaw and Adam Wainwright.
The reason for that low-ish innings total? A partially torn UCL that ended Harvey’s season in August and ultimately required Tommy John surgery. Rehab kept Harvey off the mound for the entire 2014 campaign, as well, but he came back strong in 2015, posting a 2.71 ERA (82 ERA-) and 3.05 FIP (80 FIP-), and proved instrumental in getting the New York Mets into the World Series.
The 2016 campaign has been an up-and-down one for Harvey — and will feature much more down than up going forward, as reports indicate that the right-hander will undergo surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome. For the Mets, the loss of Harvey is a threat to their postseason odds. For Harvey himself, it’s a threat to his career.
On May 20, Eno Sarris wondered, What’s Wrong with Matt Harvey? His conclusion: that maybe the slider wasn’t quite as good as it had been, by movement or location, and that a little bit of work on that pitch might right the ship. For a time after that, Harvey appeared to have gotten things in order. In five starts beginning May 30, Harvey went at least six innings in every start, striking out 25 against five walks with a 2.25 ERA and 2.08 FIP. His strikeouts were down a bit from last year in that stretch (25% to 21%), but his walks also decreased (7% to 4%).
Unfortunately, that encouraging period was short-lived. In his next two starts, Harvey failed to complete four innings, and he was placed on the 15-day disabled list due to shoulder discomfort. With surgery now a certainty, it’s time to take stock of the implications of Harvey’s injury on his long-term prospects.
For reference, we can look at other pitchers who’ve undergone similar procedures, beginning with Chris Young. Simply because he’s been able to pitch at all, it’s unlikely Harvey’s condition has deteriorated to the degree Young’s had. Still, Young’s case provides a sample of the debilitating symptoms that accompany the problem:
Young outlined his fruitless regimen of physical therapy, soft-tissue exercises, massage therapy and chiropractic adjustments. He could not complete push-ups. When he exercised on an elliptical machine, his arm ached. He could not fall asleep on his right side. He gave his toddler son a piggy-back ride and felt his hand go numb.
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Those symptoms were a part of a longer decline than what Harvey is likely experiencing, although it is possible that, if left untreated, Harvey’s current malaldies are a precursor to the symptoms Young described. For a bit of nuts and bolts on the condition, the Mayo Clinic has this to say:
Thoracic outlet syndrome is a group of disorders that occur when the blood vessels or nerves in the space between your collarbone and your first rib (thoracic outlet) become compressed. This can cause pain in your shoulders and neck and numbness in your fingers.
Common causes of thoracic outlet syndrome include physical trauma from a car accident, repetitive injuries from job- or sports-related activities, certain anatomical defects (such as having an extra rib), and pregnancy. Sometimes doctors can’t determine the cause of thoracic outlet syndrome.
Treatment for thoracic outlet syndrome usually involves physical therapy and pain relief measures. Most people improve with these approaches. In some cases, however, your doctor may recommend surgery.
“Repetitive injuries from job- or sports-related activities”? You mean like throwing a baseball at speeds near 100 mph 100 times every five days for six or seven months? Seems pretty credible. Unfortunately, tracking those who’ve had the surgery is slightly more difficult than simply checking disabled list transactions, as players are often placed on the disabled list with something a bit more vague prior to an eventual surgery.
From the list we were able to compile, it appears as though 18 MLB players have had the surgery, 16 of those pitchers. The first we found was Kenny Rogers, back in 2001, and Rogers was able to return successfully to the majors.
Of the 16 pitchers, four had previously undergone Tommy John surgery: Chris Carpenter, Shaun Marcum, Jaime Garcia, and Drew VerHagen. Carpenter and Marcum were unable to return successfully while VerHagen just had the surgery and Garcia is currently pitching in an effective manner after a very good 2015 season. The table below shows the pitchers who had the surgery and the number of MLB innings pre- and post-surgery.
| Year of Surgery | Age | MLB Innings Before TOS surgery | MLB Innings after TOS Surgery | |
| Kenny Rogers | 2001 | 36 | 2049.1 | 1253.1 |
| Aaron Cook | 2004 | 25 | 256.1 | 1150 |
| Kip Wells | 2006 | 28 | 983.2 | 354.2 |
| John Rheinecker | 2008 | 28 | 121 | 0 |
| Jeremy Bonderman | 2008 | 25 | 994.2 | 236.1 |
| Matt Harrison | 2009 | 24 | 147 | 521.1 |
| Noah Lowry | 2009 | 28 | 618.1 | 0 |
| Alex Cobb | 2011 | 23 | 52.2 | 446 |
| Chris Carpenter | 2012 | 37 | 2207.1 | 17 |
| Mike Adams | 2012 | 34 | 363.2 | 43.2 |
| Shaun Marcum | 2013 | 31 | 995 | 35 |
| Josh Beckett | 2013 | 33 | 1935.1 | 115.2 |
| Chris Young | 2013 | 34 | 890.2 | 348.1 |
| Jaime Garcia | 2014 | 28 | 594.2 | 230.2 |
| Phil Hughes | 2016 | 30 | 1204.2 | NA |
| Drew VerHagen | 2016 | 25 | 50.1 | NA |
| AVERAGE | 28.7 | 841 | 339 | |
| Matt Harvey | 2016 | 27 | 519.2 | NA |
There are not any real patterns or signals to be divined here. This piece from Beyond the Box Score discusses a few of the players above and their effectiveness after the surgery. It’s a difficult procedure from which to return, but there are success stories. Most of the players who’ve had the surgery are relatively young like Harvey, but all had varying levels of success even before the surgery. While we usually think of a 14-month recovery for Tommy John surgery, thoracic outlet surgery doesn’t require the same time frame for recovery and, provided everything goes according to plan, Harvey will likely be ready for next season.
As for the Mets, the absence of Harvey hurts their chances in 2016. The club currently sits three games back of the Nationals in what could be a competitive race going forward. In the wild-card race, the Mets find themselves in the top spot, half a game ahead of the Dodgers, three games ahead of the Marlins and Cardinals and 3.5 games ahead of the Pirates. FanGraphs’ playoff odds give them a 69% chance of making the playoffs with Harvey’s 1.9 projected WAR. Without Harvey, those numbers will take a bit of a dive. Zack Wheeler is still a month away from returning. Bartolo Colon could shoulder more innings than he is currently getting in the Depth Charts, but neither Logan Verrett, nor Rafael Montero or Seth Lugo are likely to pitch at better than a replacement level. An interesting playoff race could get more interesting without Harvey. If the team wants to weather the loss, they might need to add a starter from outside the organization, which could prove difficult given the lack of available pitchers.
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Last year Verrett wasn’t awful as a starter (4.39 FIP), but this year they’ve been using him all over the place. I think most pitchers struggle if they are used in a way in which they aren’t used to.
I think they should roll with him for now. Unfortunately, their other options in AAA are pretty lousy too. Their best pitching prospect that’s healthy is probably Gabriel Ynoa, and 4.68 K/9 and 2.64 BB/9 at AAA terrify me at the MLB level. Montero lost whatever he had and I’d be surprised if the Mets keep him around much longer.
Robert Gsellman could be an interesting choice, if he was healthy. Was pitching fantastic at AA before a AAA call-up and injury but again, his K/9 and BB/9 are nothing to write home about.
Unfortunately, the guy that could have really helped them the most is in Detroit. But, the Mets don’t even get to the WS last year without making that trade, so you can’t get too mad about that.
The Mets traded a LOT of pitching last year that could have just slotted right in and probably done just fine. John Gant, Luis Cessa, Fulmer.
Not that I disagree with your summary but given the limited options I wouldn’t be surprised to see Montero get another extended crack at the big-league rotation this summer. Nothing to lose giving him a few starts in a row to see if he can at least be a viable fifth starter?
He’s been AWFUL in AAA. Just awful.
This is where having an affiliate in Vegas really hurts. The hitting environment is so extreme it can’t punish decent pitchers into losing confidence and lost confidence can be a lost career for some pitchers. Not saying that’s all that’s wrong with Montego – we’ll never know – but pitching in Vegas can really stunt the development arc.
I believe the 51s have plans to move to a new stadium, which would hopefully temper some of the absurdity.
Have there been any reports of whether Harvey’s controversial innings load from last season would have precipitated the condition? When I hear “repetitive motion” I generally assume it’s just a matter of time before you have to pay the injury piper but if “fatigued repetition” can provoke it then perhaps there was a relationship. Anyone aware of any literature on that question?
last year’s innings load was exactly my thought. I did not even see Boras mention that, strangely enough.
I read that Boras said it wasn’t an issue.
I tweeted to Will Carroll and he was kind enough to reply that it’s “unknowable” whether last year’s workload would have been a cause-major/tiny/no factor in developing T/O syndrome.
Perhaps even more disheartening for Harvey fans is that the success stories in the table above were all contact guys who were never about throwing 95+.
Josh Beckett came back, it was his hip that did him in, not the shoulder. Granted he wasn’t still throwing 95+.
Wonder if they would go for Teheran, who could basically replace Harvey’s production.
The division rivalry and the lack of strong prospects might derail that.
Alderson has said they are in the market for a starter. They have Verrett, Lugo, Gilmartin, Montero and Ynoa as internal options. Seems to me for a 5th starter, there is no need to panic. However, I would not count on Wheeler this season.
As for the effect Harvey’s injury has on the post-season, my question is how did Harvey pitch vs expectations so far this year? And can they make up the difference between actual and expectations? How he has 1.9 WAR is baffling to me. However, pre-season ZIPS had him for 10-6 with a 2.91 ERA and 4.2 WAR. Given that he went 4-10 with a 4.86 ERA, the Mets should be able to plug in Verrett or another kid and at least break even.
Dan Bard also had the same surgery.
Didn’t David Cone have Thoracic Outlet Syndrome as well back with the Yankees in 1996?
They called it an aneurysm in his shoulder. Nor sure if the same thing? Ian Kennedy also had the same thing.
Its a variant of TOS in that it causes similar symptoms, but is not exactly the same thing since the surgery to correct it is different
Suffering from a lot of TOS symptoms right now for the last 18 months. Doctors don’t want to diagnose it as TOS because it can be a very dangerous surgery. I feel for these guys, man. Hope he can recover and find his groove again, he’s a joy to watch when he’s right.
Still A Month Away From Returning should be Zach Wheeler’s name.
Why did someone come through and downvote every comment? Is it supposed to be a statement of some kind?
They will not stand for logical discourse regarding Matt Harvey’s ailments! Viva la resistance!
Matt Harvey just stopped by.
Systems like this are designed to be abused by some people. Don’t think too much of it.
Two people, apparently. Either trolling, or they just like red.
Daniel Bard is missing. Although he was not diagnosed until he was sent back to the minors, he attributed TOS to his decline which began in September 2011 when symptoms began. It was not diagnosed until he was with the Pirates organization a couple years later, and by then he was beyond awful. Never got it back even after the surgery
I am starting to think the Marlins are going to finish second in that division. You’re down Wright, Harvey, Duda and Conforto, Wheeler’s ETA is unknown, and Syndergaard/Matz seem like ticking time bombs.
Realistic improvement from Chen and Stanton, return of Gordon, and maybe an intra-state trade for one of the Ray’s pitchers and I think this is possible…
The table is sobering. The average innings pitched after TOS surgery is 339, which given today’s usage patterns is about two good seasons. Small sample size caveats apply, but The Dark Knight’s tale is a cautionary one. The Mets put all their chips on the square labelled “Starting Pitching,” and the dice are coming up snake eyes. For a financially hobbled team, it wasn’t a bad bet. But even good bets fail on occasion. That’s why they call it gambling.
Rich Hill please!
Kenny Rogers was 36, not 26 in 2001. Otherwise that’s an insane amount of innings by 26.
That’s correct
Nick Bierbrodt and Mark Wholers also had the surgery
Depending on whom you ask, the Matt Harvey news could be very, very good.
I despise the Mets but a player being seriously injured is never good news.