The Mets Offense is Sneaky Good

Yesterday, I did a deeply meaningless thing. I ignored our site’s excellent projections — both ZiPS and Steamer do a great job of projecting future performance — and made my own terrible ones using some old methodology. Why? Partially because I’m not smart enough to build my own ZiPS, but mainly so that I could walk through the very basic way projection systems work — not by wishcasting or hoping or by finding some sneaky data point no one else has, but by carefully using and weighing the data we all have.

Of course, that’s a buttoned-down and boring way to think about things. Let’s talk about something fun instead! The top of the 2021 projections I made yesterday is dotted with a bunch of people you’d expect, and since I didn’t even bother park-adjusting it, a few too many Rockies. The impressive Fernando Tatis Jr. comes in at 11th in wOBA, which is cool given he still has a season of zeroes in there. Freddie Freeman is continuing his ascent. But here’s a shocker: there are four Mets in the top 40.

That sounds, well, wrong. The Mets aren’t supposed to be a good offensive team. They’re supposed to be a pitching team, what with Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard atop the rotation (upon Syndergaard’s recovery) and Edwin Díaz locking down the bullpen. There’s just one problem with that narrative: it’s completely wrong. The Mets were, in fact, tied with the Dodgers for the best wRC+ in baseball last year. They finished fifth in position player WAR — the defense wasn’t a strength — but generally hit an absolute ton.

Their 2020 performance was keyed by spectacular seasons from Michael Conforto (.322/.412/.515) and Dominic Smith (.316/.377/.616). The rest of the Mets regulars chipped in as well — Robinson Canó, Brandon Nimmo, Jeff McNeil, J.D. Davis, Pete Alonso, and Andrés Giménez all put up above-average lines in at least 100 PAs of playing time.

If that doesn’t exactly sound like a dynamic lineup to you, well, you’re right — it didn’t to me at first either. Canó is old, Giménez is young, Nimmo’s always hurt, and Davis was a journeyman only two years ago. That’s absolutely a story you could tell, and that’s what made the Marcel projections I ran so interesting to me. Here are the highlights of those projections, including free agent Wilson Ramos:

2021 Mets Marcel Projections
Name PA HR AVG OBP SLG wOBA
Jeff McNeil 512.7 16.5 .304 .370 .486 .364
Pete Alonso 562.1 35.4 .254 .345 .532 .363
Brandon Nimmo 501.0 16.0 .254 .377 .450 .359
Michael Conforto 550.2 24.6 .262 .361 .475 .355
Dominic Smith 463.5 20.2 .266 .330 .488 .345
J.D. Davis 525.8 19.0 .270 .345 .452 .339
Robinson Canó 465.3 15.5 .273 .333 .451 .333
Wilson Ramos 442.3 13.6 .280 .341 .435 .332
Amed Rosario 445.6 10.8 .268 .310 .410 .306

Look — these projections aren’t supposed to be foolproof. They’re named after a monkey on purpose! But the fact of the matter is, they’re based on what the players have done over the last three years. If you ignore the fact that your brain has unfairly filed them away as “inconsistent Mets,” you can just look at the numbers and see it. Take McNeil, the best-projected Met:

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Jeff McNeil, Career Stats
Year PA K% BB% BABIP HR AVG OBP SLG wRC+
2018 248 9.7% 5.6% .359 3 .329 .381 .471 137
2019 567 13.2% 6.2% .337 23 .318 .384 .531 143
2020 209 11.5% 9.6% .335 4 .311 .383 .454 130

McNeil isn’t exactly a household name, but maybe he should be. He has a career .383 OBP. Marcel gives him credit for his consistently elevated BABIP (it feeds through to his average and OBP) in a way that I might quibble with slightly. On the other hand, dock his BABIP 20 points and that would slash his OBP 15 points (to a still-excellent .365). An injury-marred 2020 — an intercostal strain, a bruised knee, and brutal-sounding “gastrointestinal discomfort” — led to lower power output, but he managed an excellent season despite it, and even if you want to lower expectations slightly, he’s still certainly going to be an above-average hitter.

What about Alonso, only narrowly behind McNeil in these 2021 projections? He doesn’t have any 2018 numbers to speak of, but the two years since then have been solid enough to make up for it:

Pete Alonso, Career Stats
Year PA K% BB% BABIP HR AVG OBP SLG wRC+
2019 693 26.4% 10.4% .280 53 .260 .358 .583 143
2020 239 25.5% 10.0% .242 16 .231 .326 .490 110

Despite a woeful .242 BABIP in 2020 (Alonso should run a lower-than-average BABIP because of his fly-ball-happy ways, but not that low), he managed a respectable batting line. The walks and strikeouts work well enough for a hitter with Alonso’s prodigious power, and he actually cut his chase rate while increasing his contact rate on in-zone pitches this year. The defense isn’t pretty, but at this point, it’s clear that Alonso is an excellent hitter.

“Fine,” I can hear you saying. “McNeil and Alonso are good hitters, we get it. Brandon Nimmo, though? What are you trying to sell us, Clemens?” Again, I’m basically just trying to sell you Nimmo’s own career:

Brandon Nimmo, Career Stats
Year PA K% BB% BABIP HR AVG OBP SLG wRC+
2016 80 25.0% 7.5% .365 1 .274 .338 .329 89
2017 215 27.9% 15.3% .360 5 .260 .379 .410 118
2018 535 26.2% 15.0% .351 17 .263 .404 .483 148
2019 254 28.0% 18.1% .293 8 .221 .375 .407 114
2020 225 19.1% 14.7% .326 8 .280 .404 .484 148

That’s just year after year of above-average batting lines after a brief 2016 cameo. His availability is certainly a concern — I project only 501 PA for him this year, and Depth Charts checks in at 491 — but it’s hardly a fluky line. Nimmo walks enough that his league-average power and slightly elevated strikeout rates simply don’t matter. He’s always on base, and that counts for a lot. His career .390 OBP checks in at fifth in baseball since his debut — that’ll play.

Whatever, okay, the Mets have three great hitters. The rest of them, though, all bums! Except, well, Michael Conforto is great too! Take a look at his whole career, which like Nimmo’s has been varied but consistently above average:

Michael Conforto, Career Stats
Year PA K% BB% BABIP HR AVG OBP SLG wRC+
2015 194 20.1% 8.8% .297 9 .270 .335 .506 133
2016 348 25.6% 10.3% .267 12 .220 .310 .414 97
2017 440 25.7% 13.0% .328 27 .279 .384 .555 147
2018 638 24.9% 13.2% .289 28 .243 .350 .448 120
2019 648 23.0% 13.0% .290 33 .257 .363 .494 126
2020 233 24.5% 10.3% .412 9 .322 .412 .515 157

Again, there’s not a lot to nitpick in these numbers. Unlike my silly projections, Steamer knows that Conforto had an excellent 2017 as well — mine cut off after three years — and thinks he’ll be even better in 2021. That’s an excellent four-batter core — two on-base machines, a thumper to drive them home, and an all-around stud in Conforto.

Overall, 290 hitters batted at least 100 times in 2020 and at least 300 times the year before — roughly speaking, “non-rookie regulars.” The Mets had nine such players. Eight (!) of them finished in the top half of my 2021 projections. Ramos won’t be back next year, and Canó is getting old, but that’s still a deep roster of hitters. It also doesn’t include Giménéz, who will likely be locked in a time share with Amed Rosario next year.

As my colleague Craig Edwards noted yesterday, the Mets have holes to fill in free agency this offseason. They’ll be looking for a catcher — J.T. Realmuto is the best free agent on the market and Steve Cohen is the richest owner, so the two have been linked — and for depth across the diamond and on the mound. I think that all makes a ton of sense — you can’t make a team out of six or eight hitters.

Here’s the thing, though: this isn’t some rebuilding job, constructing an offense and pitching staff out of nothing. It’s easy to think of the New York offense as lackluster, because we all remember the two years where deGrom was lights-out every five nights and the Mets put up donut after donut. That’s just wrong at this point, though. The Mets are already awash in great bats, and they’re likely to add at least one more this offseason.

When deGrom takes the mound on Opening Day next year, some little part of my brain will be telling me that he’ll likely have to overcome puny run support. It will be wrong, though. Sometimes our brains remember old things too well and discount new information too much, or vice versa. Don’t let it trap you the way it trapped me, at least until I engaged in a little projecting. The Mets had one of the best offenses in baseball this year, and they’ll likely be one of the best offenses in baseball next year too.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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jankees1991
5 years ago

I dont disagree with your core argument, however i think a key piece for the mets both last year and in 2019 was, with a guy like Cano on the roster, they’re almost built more like an American League team – that is, to say, that they benefitted a lot more from the flexibility of the DH.

I think it’s still up in the air whether or not we’ll have universal DH moving forward; last i heard, it’s hinged on the players conceding expanded playoffs. I’m all for universal DH, but if it means expanded playoffs, I’ll pass.

My concern with the Mets is that, if there is no DH, they have a logjam of guys that they can’t all fit in their lineup at once. With Cespedes gone (not that he was ever really a factor…) it gives them a little more room in their outfield, but between Rosario, Cano, Smith, Alonso, McNeil, et al (Lowrie?), I’m not sure how you give consistent ABs to all of them.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  jankees1991

I think that’s fair, but I also think they are going to jettison or bench Lowrie and Rosario, and possibly trade Nimmo. If that happens, I think it works out easier, though the outfield defense will be rough.

I’m also not convinced that 38-year-old Cano is going to be counted on for a full season of at bats.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Lowrie’s contract ended, he’s gone.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  jankees1991

As far as I can tell, Cano is not the problem. Maybe Cano need some time to DH, but the problem is that JD Davis, Pete Alonso, and Dominic Smith should all be playing 1B or DH most or all of the time, and Nimmo should not be in center field.

Maybe, just maybe, if they let Davis get settled at third and move McNeil to second it’ll be fine, and then you could have Cano rotate through third and second or something like that it would be fine but it’s not guaranteed. And then you still need a DH just for Smith and Alonso.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree with the first part of the comment, but disagree with the second part. Why would you move Cano off of 2nd base? His defense is fine, it always has been. It looks lazy, but he gets the job done. He also has never stopped hitting. He had a down year in 2019, but it wasn’t supported by advanced stats. He made some of the best contact in the entire MLB. His career wRC+ of 125 is probably about what he is, he does have nearly 9500 career at bats! McNeil should be the one moving around the diamond, not Cano.

David Klein
5 years ago

Mets really got unlucky with runners in scoring position most of the year and their offense can get even even more elite by bringing in Realmuto who is a big upgrade over Ramos offensively and defensively. I really hope we get the universal dh in 2021 because Smith at first base and Alonso at dh really helps the logjam in the OF. Nimmo is my favorite Met and he continued to get better as he cut his K rate by a good amount while still walking a lot and hitting for decent pop. I’d love to see the Mets get a CFer and move Nimmo to LF as well as moving Cano to third base and have McNeil at second base.

tomerafan
5 years ago

All of this is true – the Mets are better offensively than most people realize, and some bad luck with runners on base for a chunk of the 2020 season depressed their run-scoring and cost them quite a few wins and a playoff berth.

However, the Mets are a better fantasy lineup than they are a baseball team. There are multiple bats that are defensive liabilities in the positions they are being asked to fill on the field. All those great bats in the lineup mean nothing when your defense routinely gives away games, which is exactly what happened in 2020. For as much as the pitching was maligned – deservedly so – it was the defensive miscues that killed this team’s playoff chances. (I say that as someone who watched most of +/-40 games, and parts of many others.)

Only Dom Smith or Pete Alonso can play 1B at a time and the other needs to be in the lineup somewhere. Smith is passable but not great in LF, but is the FAR better 1B defender and needs to play there at least five days a week with Alonso as the DH. Cano plays 2B or DH which logjams both Alonso and Jeff McNeil. These four bats (McNeil, Smith, Alonso, Cano) plus Conforto (locked down in right) must be in the lineup virtually every day. So, DH, 1B, 2B, RF are covered, and the question is where McNeil fits when Cano is at 2B so that Alonso can DH.

And this is where the roster construction issues get problematic.

There is no 3B; McNeil is a Swiss-army knife but did not show the arm nor the accuracy to play the position day-in and day-out. The Mets (stellar) broadcast team talked about this a great deal after McNeil sailed or was way wide on multiple long throws across the diamond, and his shorter throws-on-the run were often rushed and inaccurate. His natural home is 2B or an OF-corner with the ability to play 3B in a pinch. I think most folks outside of New York assume McNeil will play 3B in 2021 – but there’s a reason he didn’t last long there in 2020. He didn’t play at 3B after August 2. That’s how bad it was, after he made five errors in the first nine games, and many other errant throws.

But Cano is at 2B most days, and Cano at DH pulls Alonso off the field, and then there’s question of where to play Nimmo (who is AWESOME in the leadoff role for all the reasons you mentioned, and the way he draws long AB’s) if McNeil is in LF, since Nimmo can’t play CF passably.

JD Davis is neither a capable 3B nor LF, but his right-handed bat is sorely needed in the Mets lefty-dominated lineup. As a result, he played 3B most days in August and September but, bless his heart, it was a constant adventure – and one where he’d often make great plays but boot easy ones, and his reaction to hard-hit balls did not seem quick enough to last. He’d be a wonderful DH in a lefty-heavy batting order… but Alonso/Cano already logjam that spot because of Smith/McNeil. And he’s too stiff to play LF when McNeil and Nimmo are your top two choices… and when Smith has to get into LF when Alonso plays 1B. This leaves the Mets with three starting corner OF (McNeil, Conforto, Nimmo) and two passable corner-OF options (Davis, Smith when not playing 1B) but no 3B, an aging 2B whose DH AB takes away from Alonso, and giant holes in CF and at C.

(Aside on JD Davis – he got drilled in the hip by an Aroldis Chapman fastball on Aug 29 – a ball on the bone that was so loud it run through the TV broadcast – and gutted through the pain but was obviously not the same hitter after that plunking. Looking at his 2020 numbers doesn’t tell the story; look at where he stood the moment he was hit for a true take on his 2020 performance. Simple triple slash illustration – from .275 / .390 / .422 down to .247 / .371 / .389, with a complete loss of power – only 2 HR in September. He simply couldn’t drive with his hips the last month of the season, and some AB were like watching Robert Redford watch the ball die in the air when it should have gone over the fence.)

All in all, this is a great collection of parts, whose whole is actually less than the sum for the way it actually plays in the field. 20-30 years ago, this would be a team that would trade from its major league depth and strength to acquire a 3B, C, CF, or P help but strength-for-strength deals rarely happen any more in MLB.

I’d love to see the Mets trade some of this depth (Davis and a strong prospect?) for Arenado, which upgrades the offense but massively upgrades the defense. Sign Springer and McCann – two righty bats – and then go after pitching. Maybe use Steve Cohen’s checkbook to take on a David Price-type contract that can be a 3/4 starter and consume innings with some quality results but in a deal where taking on another team’s expensive pitching contract with 2-3 years left on the deal means you can also buy back some prospect depth in exchange for the salary relief – as I think there will be teams that need to sell contracts off the books and will be willing to attach prospects in the short term… a definite short-term market inefficiency that the Mets can capitalize on as other teams lost money in 2020).

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Love the idea of eating Arenado’s money which the Rockies seem all to eager to be out of and getting rid of some of the log jam. But as you so rightly point out, the status of the DH is one of the things that most impacts their ability to compete given the crap defense.

As someone who watches the majority of Mets games in a given year, it’s absolutely infuriating how long the Mets have punted on defense or hoped some washed up player, never quite good enough guy or post-hype prospect would turn out like Justin Turner in Los Angeles.

I would love the Mets to take huge swings to be in on Realmuto and Springer which defensively does wonders for the squad and also helps in the situation where you need to get rid of Davis and/or Smith (I don’t see both Alonso and Smith on the team together long term).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I finally read this and I found it interesting. I was interested to read your assessment of Davis at 3B…I wondered when I saw him if he would get better with more reps but then again I don’t watch the Mets much.

Based on what you were saying, the ideal solution for them is if they can somehow get Robinson Cano at 3B. He certainly has the arm for it, although who knows if he has the reaction time you would need, and he wasn’t good when he did it with the Mariners. If he can’t play at third then you really don’t have a place for him unless a corner outfielder is hurt or needs a breather.

Part of the issue for the Mets is that absolutely no one is willing to give up someone good for first basemen right now, which is what JD Davis and Dom Smith likely both are, and where Cano would likely go if he can’t play 2B. There are teams that could use Davis or Smith, including the Rockies, Brewers, Orioles, Royals, Red Sox, and Cleveland but none of them are going to give up anything of value for them because they just don’t care about first base.

tomerafan
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Davis might get better with reps but a team that wants to win in 2021 can’t take that chance. A team that has designs on 2022-2023 and can let Davis learn and play the position might take that bet.

The Rockies have moved prospect Ryan Vilade off of 3B and I wonder if they would be interested in Davis as a piece of an Arenado deal since JDs bat would light up Coors Field.

The Mets can’t trade Dom Smith. He took the best ABs on the team all 2020 season, and has matured into his swing as he’s gone back to stroking doubles rather than trying for homers. He is such an underrated hitter, in addition to his defense.

Dooduh
5 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Yes there are a lot of corner pieces that don’t all fit on the roster and defense has been an afterthought since well, Sandy Alderson took the reins the first time. And now that Sandy is back, I’m not too hopeful that’s going to improve and suddenly be a priority. But of course a lot depends on whom they chose to run the baseball operation.

The most obvious improvement to this roster will be the addition of Realmuto. With money now being the team’s singular deepest resource and competitive advantage, adding the best catcher in the game when it will take only money is a no-brainer.

After catcher, the other positions set are 2B (Cano isn’t going anywhere) and Conforto has settled into RF. Gimenez appears to be the right steady glove that the IF lacked for years at SS. I’m going to disagree at 1B and believe that Alonso is at least the equal defensively of Smith and was only getting better. And having Alonso DHing certainly seemed to affect his performance at the plate. He’s too intense a guy to be sitting around just waiting until his ABs come around. And Dom’s defense continues to be way overrated for some reason. That said, the DH in the NL is inevitable, so I’m not too concerned about having both guys on the roster.

So it really comes down to CF, LF & 3B. If they are going to care about defense then I don’t think the 3Bman is currently on this roster (Guillorme is not a starter). McNeil had looked good there in 2019 but fell apart this past season. And if they are going to move Nimmo off of CF, then basically they have Nimmo and McNeil both in LF, not to mention Dom grabbing time there if the DH is put off for a yr. And then JD is another guy but fits better as a strong RHed bench bat. So one of those is probably a candidate to be traded. McNeil would have the most value in a trade but he’s too valuable and still cheap to be a consideration to deal. JD by himself probably won’t yield much in a deal. Nimmo at 2 years to FA might be the one you would have to consider what he could net in a deal. Smith might also be a sell-high consideration but as a 1B/DH might not yield as much as his internal value is to the team.

So the bottom line as to the position players starts with the addition of JTR but most likely continues with the addition of a strong glove in CF and someone who can handle 3B. The good news is that neither of those latter two need to be big bats, but more complimentary types. Then obviously they were really thin in the starting rotation. If Stro doesn’t accept the QO, the lifting there will be much heavier.

The good news is obviously that there are a bunch of solid bats to form the core of a lineup. And the addition of a deep pocketed owner has come along at just the right moment as there will be a bunch of FAs that can fill holes and create depth on this roster.

tomerafan
5 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

On Smith/Alonso – you make a great point that Pete’s intensity isn’t well suited to sitting in the dugout and waiting to DH. I do think Smith is the better defender, both at going to the throw (rather than letting the throw come to the bag) and in knowing when to come off the bag to snag the throw at the expense of the out rather than wasting the extra base on the error when an errant throw gets away. For all the work Alonso put in on his fielding, his receiving of throws is not as good as Dom in my opinion.

mookie28Member since 2016
5 years ago

Most Mets fan knew this well ahead of last season and said so repeatedly before the season in these comments only to be told they were wrong by non-Mets fans and FG writers.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  mookie28

I think the team does everything in such a goofy way that it’s really easy for people who don’t watch them play everyday to look at the win/loss record and player stats and come to conclusions or make assumptions that don’t line up with reality.

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago

I think some of this has to do with the Mets repeated mismanagement of their players – Conforto constantly being jerked around at the start of his career, a reluctance to believe McNeil was for real, Nimmo not always playing even when healthy, etc. Assuming Cohen really spends as much as he’s rumored to want to, it will be fun to see how good this team can actually be with all of these guys getting the PAs they deserve!

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

D-Wiz, you have nailed it. The team suffered through terrible managing for several years. Terry (T-Rex) Collins was hopelessly behind the times and Callaway even admitted that he ignored, or even purposely went against, what his analytical support staff was telling him.

Connor Grey
5 years ago

The Mets haven’t usually ranked very high on prospect lists but they’ve ended up doing really well developing a home-grown core. All of the following players have spent their whole professional careers with the Mets:

Jacob deGrom- 34.1 WAR (2014-2020)
Seth Lugo- 6.1 WAR (2016-2020)
(Hopefully not broken) Steven Matz- 5.2 WAR (2015-2020)
Robert Gsellman- 2.3 WAR (2016-2020)
David Peterson- 0.5 WAR (2020)

Jeff McNeil- 8.4 WAR (4.9 WAR/600 PA)
Brandon Nimmo- 8.7 WAR (4.0 WAR/600 PA)
Michael Conforto- 16.0 WAR (3.8 WAR/600 PA)
Andrés Giménez- 0.8 WAR (3.6 WAR/600 PA)
Pete Alonso- 5.2 WAR (3.3 WAR/600 PA)
Amed Rosario- 4.6 WAR (1.8 WAR/600 PA)
Luis Guillorme- 0.6 WAR (1.7 WAR/600 PA)
Dominic Smith- 1.6 WAR (1.3 WAR/600 PA)

Noah Syndergaard also spent over two seasons in the Mets minor league system and pitched at three different levels before debuting. And Smith and Guillorme have both been trending up. Really small sample of major league playing time for Guillorme but I’m confident that with his decent OBP and defensive versatility he’d be a useful major league player on almost any team’s roster and expect him to be worth way more than whatever the Mets end up paying him over his control years.

Since the beginning of the 2019 season:

Smith- 2.6 WAR (3.9 WAR/600 PA)
Guillorme- 0.9 WAR (3.9 WAR/600 PA)

Cohen’s money and the Wilpons not being involved in baseball decisions is obviously great but it’s probably being overlooked that whoever’s in charge has all of these good, mostly underpaid major leaguers to either keep or trade so the roster ends up making more sense than it currently does.

Cordane61273Member since 2020
5 years ago

Just looked at this trade idea real quick.

The Mets have a problem where they have an all-lefthanded outfield and they’re kind of lacking a true centerfielder. One of their options is Brandon Nimmo, a player who has had a little trouble staying on the field, but has a career .390 OBP and .190 ISO. His defense was awful this year (normally it’s not bad) and he is stretched in the center pasture, but I think he would look excellent in a corner and as a leadoff hitter. He is entering his age-28 season and is probably due $4M next year (just guessing on that).

Compare all of that against Harrison Bader, a righthanded, elite centerfielder a year younger & looking at a $4M payday as well. I’m not advocating that the Cardinals look to trade Tots (he is our best OF currently), but it probably makes a lot of sense. This assumes that the Metropolitans blow their allowance on a catcher like Realmuto or McCann and not on Springer. They have a very strong offense otherwise and can take the hit to push their other fielders to spots where they are more appropriate. St. Louis just dumped their most recent leadoff hitter and could use some help scoring runs.

Should they substitute Bam Bam for Tots? I don’t think they can make that deal for Nimmo straight-up, coming off TON’s horrible BABIP-fueled performance, and I am more scared of what O’Neill can do if he rights his ship (I doubt Bader will find some higher offensive plateau at this point, regardless of where he ends up). If Harrison leaves, I think the Cards will be fine defensively with either Tyler or Dylan. This would also have the benefit of shipping NYC-burbs-native Bader home and the greater media coverage probably leads to him finally getting Gold Glove recognition & endorsement opportunities.

What do you think?

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Cordane61273

Maybe I’m crazy for thinking but I think the Mets are going to be in on both Realmuto/McCann and Springer. If that happens, the players going out would likely be Smith and Davis rather than Nimmo as he slides in nicely into LF which is a way better position for him than CF.

Regardless, Nimmo just seems too valuable to be made expendable even with injury concerns which may be overblown.

Dooduh
5 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

where does McNeil play?

tomjefMember since 2014
5 years ago

But what about their defense?

TulkasMember since 2024
5 years ago

As other comments have pointed out, the Mets are actually a team with a lot of good players. Even aside from the ones mentioned directly in the article, the Mets have done a great job getting some quality production out of their homegrown talent. We don’t think much of the Mets player development system, but I think maybe we should change that, as we’re seeing some pretty high quality players emerge out of the system with Alonso, McNeil, Smith, Nimmo, and Conforto. Really, out of the recent prospects, the only one who really isn’t clicking right now is Amed Rosario, and honestly that’s not too uncommon for young shortstops. I mean, Swanson looked like a bust for a while too, and Simmons couldn’t hit until he could, and Crawford was remarkable until he was really good for a few years. We are blessed to have Correa and Lindor and Seager in the league right now, but that’s not the baseline.

And this doesn’t even acknowledge that the Mets pitching talent has always been sneaky good. Peterson was above expectation and looks like a solid rotation piece. The Mets haven’t paid for more than a 5th starter since….Johan Santana maybe? They just keep pumping out quality arms of all calibers, including someone who career looks like Kershaw, but Older over the last few years. The only area the Mets haven’t had consistently above average results recently is the bullpen, and even then we have Lugo, and Familia wasn’t that far back.

All in all, it seems to me the Mets actually do the hard stuff pretty darn well. What sinks the Mets season is buying free agents that don’t pan out. Or mismanagement of the bullpen. I mean, how often have we seen the Hansel Robles story, where we had a guy that just never quite figured it out and dragged down the roster, only to be not only not a liability but actually pretty good with another team just a couple seasons later?

Essentially, the Mets find talent. And they actually develop it pretty well. They just don’t know how to organize it and put it on the field and manage it. D’Arnaud is a great example. The Mets for YEARS have struggled to handle part time players well. Either they were a regular that had a position or they saw little to no playing time–remember #FreeNimmo? D’Arnaud was a perfect guy who actually showed good talent and above average production, provided you manage his playing time properly and maximize his matchups. And once he found a team (or two) that actually knew how to do that, he was successful.

I’m really excited for the Mets because these are the areas where smart baseball people have made the most progress. Improving playing time calculations and fitting disparate pieces into a cohesive whole is what made Alderson the baseball savant he was known to be (and remember, it was Alderson who brought the Mets to the world series last). This isn’t a situation like the Rockies where they’re terribly managed AND don’t know how to find and develop talent. The Mets every single year are in the contention for at least one individual award and still barely scrape by. That’s an impressive level of shooting yourself in the foot. But because the team actually has talent, just not in the right spots or not managed all that well. they are in a better position than most.

The best thing Cohen can do is let Alderson hire the most progressive baseball people he can find. This team drafts well, and develops hitters and pitchers well, and is flush with talent. Now he just needs a front office that can move around bodies like the Rays or Yankees or A’s do to put the RIGHT talent in the RIGHT places. BVW was right to make some trades for missing pieces. The problem was that he didn’t trade away the right guys or trade for the right ones either. That’s not to say he got bad players, but it is to say that the roster is a whole bunch of spare parts that don’t fit together as a team well. This is exactly the kind of problem that progressive baseball people solve REALLY well.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Don’t you guys remember that article that had the Mets with a bad DH, and the comments were overwhelmingly negative, and not disagreeing? First they wrote DH projections, then they even wrote an article specifically for the Mets since everyone disagreed on the Mets? Well it turns out maybe the masses were right this time. Their logic was as well… a bunch of above average hitters needing at bats feels like a good spot for a DH. The guy who was thought to get a lot of bats, Cespedes, opted out, which allowed a massive breakout from Dom Smith. Cano seemed like an incredibly obvious bounceback candidate as he has a career 125 wRC+, and was only one year removed from a 135 wRC+ line, and his 2019 stats were a massive outlier, and his batted ball data supported that. He hit the ball as well in 2019 as he basically ever has, just ran into a bunch of bad luck. He has sort of alternated good/slightly down seasons for a while, but if I had to bet, Cano would be in the 110-140 wRC+ range again next year.

Cespedes I think is toast, despite some of those late game heroics (unsure if he is even under contract). Dom Smith didn’t even get lucky, he probably is a top 20-40 hitter in the MLB, and Alonso is probably somewhere in between his last two seasons as well. The Mets are good, and it seems that every year the product of their parts doesn’t seem to come together, but it should shock absolutely no one if they are contenders next season, especially if they make some big signings. The DH was very beneficial to them, but with it likely gone till 2022, they might once again have a logjam of batters. The good news is Cano/Smith are perfectly fine on defense, so playing them in the field isn’t a problem.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Actually I follow the NLeast very closely, so I’ve known that when they are healthy the Mets have a very strong offense. On the other hand, the gloves are meh to bad everywhere and that’s hurt them notably for several seasons now.

hahigginsMember since 2018
5 years ago

Sneaky good? I didn’t know it was any kind of secret. They have about seven very good hitters: Conforto, Nimmo, McNeil, Alonso, Smith, Davis, Cano.

It’s maybe a blunt instrument, but who else has that many good hitters (I know this is pretty subjective)? Answer: The good teams! (I had a webinar to kill time on…)

NYY: Hicks, Judge, Stanton, Urshela, Voit, Torres, Frazier
SDP: Hosmer, Cronenworth, Myers, Machado, Tatis Jr, Grisham, Pham
CHC: Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Contreras, Schwarber, Heyward, Happ
TOR: Grichuk, Teoscar, Bichette, Vlad Jr, Biggio, Gurriel, Tellez (shorter track record for these guys)

Drops off at six:
CHW: Eloy, Moncada, Abreu, Robert, Anderson, Grandal
OAK: Laureano, Chapman, Olson, Canha, Piscotty, Murphy, maybe Davis bounces back (not an especially convincing list)
HOU: Tucker, Bregman, Correa, Alvarez, Altuve, Gurriel (Springer?)
LAD: Seager, Bellinger, Betts, Smith, Muncy, Turner (assuming return), Pollock/Taylor/Lux if you want to bump them to seven

TBR only has Meadows, Diaz, B. Lowe, Arozarena, depending on how you feel about Choi/N. Lowe, Brousseau, Adames
ATL only has Freeman, Acuna, Albies, Swanson, then a drop to Riley, d’Arnaud, etc

The main challenge is fitting them all into the lineup–RosterResource lists McNeil on the bench! Universal DH would help a ton, of course, as others have pointed out, but it’s also just depth.

Kevbot034
5 years ago

I didn’t think most people viewed the Mets offense as bad; it’s the defense that’s very very bad. And the pitching always seems to be worse than it should be (possibly because the defense).