The Mets Shouldn’t Blow This Opportunity

Even just a healthy Yoenis Cespedes should place the Mets in the mix for a Wild Card spot.
(Photo: Keith Allison)

The New York Mets’ 2017 season was a disappointment. Coming off two playoff appearances, New York dropped to fourth in the National League East, losing 92 games and securing the sixth pick in next year’s draft.

To their credit, the team didn’t tolerate the status quo for long, moving Jay Bruce, Lucas Duda, Curtis Granderson, Addison Reed, and Neil Walker in various deals. Add to that the departure of Jose Reyes via free agency and gone are five of the eight starters — plus the closer — from Opening Day of 2017.

Despite those subtractions, the Mets still have the makings of a potential contender. As presently constructed, they’d probably have a shot at a Wild Card spot. They’re closer than one might think to the Washington Nationals, as well. They’ll actually have to make some moves and invest in the team to make those jumps, however.

Part of the reason the Mets still have a decent chance of success in 2018 is because they retained their three best players. Yoenis Cespedes managed only a half-season’s worth of games but recorded a 131 wRC+ and was on a three-win pace in the games he did manage to play. A full season of Cespedes would represent an instant improvement. Michael Conforto, meanwhile, also lost time to injury, a torn capsule in his left shoulder ultimately ending his breakout season. If he’s able to return within the first month of the season, say, he can anchor the middle of the Mets lineup. At catcher, Travis d’Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki make for a solid duo. Asdrubal Cabrera is back, providing competent production for a low price.

The departures last season also made room for two of the Mets’ best prospects in Amed Rosario and Dominic Smith. Steamer and ZiPS differ on the present talent of these two players, the latter forecasting average or better production, the former calling for something less than that. Add in Juan Lagares’s return to center field as a starter, plus useful contributions from Brandon Nimmo and Wilmer Flores, and the Mets have a roughly average group of position players.

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On the other side of the ball, the club features five pitchers (Robert Gsellman, Matt Harvey, Seth Lugo, Steven Matz, and Zack Wheeler) with varying levels of value. Thanks to the presence of co-aces Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard, however, the rotation profiles as one of the 10 best in baseball, even if the projected production past the top two is average or below.

The bullpen has Jerry Blevins, Jeurys Familia, and A.J. Ramos, along with solid addition Anthony Swarzak. All told, it’s a roughly average bullpen.

Altogether, these are the makings of a roughly .500 team. The Mets could get lucky and compete for the Wild Card. They could get unlucky and repeat last year, too. The most likely outcome puts them in no-man’s land. That isn’t a great place to be.

So let’s talk about payroll.

Last year, the Mets opened the season with a $155 million payroll. That might seem substantial. In one way, it was: the 2017 payroll represented a $20 million increase from 2016, which itself represented a $30 million increase over 2015, which was also a $15 million increase over 2014. A steadily rising payroll in a vacuum, seems positive. Once you consider how cheaply the Mets were run after the Madoff scandal, though — and factor in the New York market, the extra television revenue, and an average attendance of roughly 2.5 million fans — that $155 million payroll isn’t so great. The Mets nearly reached that mark back in 2009. While MLB payrolls have increased more than 50% over that time, the Mets’ spending figures trended downward for much of that interval. The club also traded away $10 million in 2017 while almost certainly recouping a significant portion of David Wright’s $20 million salary through insurance. Putting it together, the Mets are running a below-average payroll in the massive New York market.

It gets worse. Joel Sherman reported that the team was planning to put forth a lower payroll in 2018, perhaps around $135 million. If David Wright’s salary is a part of that calculus, that means the Mets plan to be one of the 10 lowest spenders in baseball next season. It’s easy to look at what the Marlins are doing with regard to their payroll and call it an embarrassment. What the Mets are doing is arguably worse. The franchise put out a winning product for a couple years and now appear willing to pocket the goodwill the fanbase has shown. The team has been outspent by the Kansas City Royals over the last four seasons and it looks like that won’t change in 2018, either, even as Kansas City enters what’s likely to be a rebuilding phase.

The Mets are at a point on the win curve at which adding wins is incredibly valuable for their playoff chances. They sit about 10 games behind the Nationals right now, maybe even less if you lean towards ZiPS’ projections on Smith and Rosario. The gap is large, but not large enough to where it couldn’t be easily overcome with a few solid moves. Given that, after the Cubs, Dodgers, Nationals, no team has asserted itself — maybe the Cardinals — as major players for the Wild Card, the one-game playoff is a solid fallback should divisional aspirations fail.

The Mets currently have around $125 million committed to the roster right now. If they’re looking at a payroll of around $135 million, there isn’t a whole lot more the team can do. If you remove about $15 million of David Wright’s contract for insurance, then the Mets are looking at an outlay of around $110 million right now. Even a modest increase over last season’s $155 million payroll should give the team $50 million to spend. Even that amount isn’t going to place the Mets among the top 10 in terms of payroll — and certainly not among the top five, where they should be — but think about what $50 million in this offseason might buy. Mike Moustakas could push Asdrubal Cabrera to a super-utility role and add three wins. Yu Darvish or Jake Arrieta could give the Mets a formidable 1-2-3 punch at the top of the rotation and make the team less reliant on gigantic question marks. Lorenzo Cain could provide an upgrade in center field. Lance Lynn’s fly-ball tendencies might play well in New York. Even Alex Cobb would provide a bit more certainty.

The Mets could sign two or three of the players above without truly breaking the bank, and they would creep awfully close to the Nationals at the top of the division. There’s still a lot of time and a bunch of available players this offseason. The Mets have proved me wrong before when they traded Yoenis Cespedes, and there is an opportunity to do it again. Teams shouldn’t take potential winning seasons for granted. If the Mets don’t change course, it looks like they are taking advantage of their fans and blowing an opportunity to contend next season.





Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

The Mets are weird.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

*dumb

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Hello, person who’s considering clicking “load rest of comments”. I must tell you I recommend against this choice.

It gets dumb down there.

TanPadreFan
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Listen to him! It’s just not worth it.

Mookie Wilson
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

There isn’t much content written about the Mets these days in the paper, or on the internet, or farted out onto the radio, that isn’t immeasurably stupid.

CreamyMember since 2016
8 years ago

I like the idea of signing Darvish. That would really deepen the rotation. Of course, the Mets ownership is too cheap for such a bold move.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Creamy

This has been my stance too all offseason. Very few of the major free agents are good fits and because this is one of those teams with solid options (or top prospects) at basically every position, it’s tough to find an upgrade. Someone like Lance Lynn might give a bit of stability but may well not be very much better than the pitchers whose innings he’d be replacing. The real way to improve the team would be to add another ace. Then you have Thor and deGrom and Darvish, and only need two spots (barring injuries) from Harvey and Matz and Gsellman and Lugo and Montero, which is a lot more plausible than three.

It’ll never happen, but honestly short of that I don’t even see what they’re really supposed to be doing that would make a big difference.

diehardmetsMember since 2022
8 years ago

Basically what everyone who follows the Mets has been saying will happen since the trade deadline last year. Supposedly, Alderson had to bargain with the Wilpons to even bring Blevins and Salas back last offseason, and when the team predictably struggled due to very obvious depth issues, they were forced to cut salary rather then get actually useful pieces back in trades. Most of the time, the front office doesn’t even have a payroll number to work with, and are forced to go to ownership on a contract-by-contract basis.

The Wilpons continue to use the Mets as little more than a vehicle to pay off their own debt, and things are particularly bad this year with at least one minority owner looking to cash out. Winning is at best a secondary objective for the Wilpons, and likely will remain as such for a good part of the next decade as well. The fact that baseball has turned a blind eye to the financial woes of this franchise over the past decade since the Madoff scandal is a travesty. Maybe running what will essentially be a bottom third payroll (when accounting for Wright) next season will finally prompt the beats, national writers, and baseball itself to call the Wilpons out.

Then again, MLB did allow an ownership group looking for a blatant cash grab to buy the Marlins, so perhaps they just don’t really give a s***.

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  diehardmets

Yeah, it’s going to take the national baseball media to beat this drum some more and Rob Manfred to take a public position on this situation for anything to substantively change here. Manfred/MLB should be very disappointed that one of its premier franchises is this under supported.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  diehardmets

Yeah, it’s impossible to overstate just how obvious it is that 100% of the Mets’ problems come straight from ownership. When MLB showed that it was willing to force the McCourts out, it really became glaringly inconsistent that there’s never even been serious talk about making the Wilpons shape up.

Dooduh
8 years ago

Selig was allegedly very close to Fred Wilpon. But Fred’s patron is no longer in charge of the league so it stands to reason that the Mets should have to operate like the major market team they are now. Fred Manfred should take a firmer stand on this horrendous situation pretty dang soon.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

We can certainly hope. But I fear that they’re ingratiated with a kind of in-crowd or old-boy network in baseball, more than just Selig’s personal friends, and that Manfred’s part of it too.

Lanidrac
8 years ago

Would MLB have been able to force out the McCourts had they not gotten a divorce, though?

JoserMember since 2021
8 years ago
Reply to  diehardmets

So to tangent off the headline of this piece

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
There’s dead money on his roster already, Wilpon’s spaghetti
He’s nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To sign stars, but he keeps on forgettin’
He has no budget now, the WFAN crowd grows so loud
He picks up the phone, but the deals won’t come out
He’s chokin’, how, everybody’s jokin’ now
The offseason’s run out, times up, over, blaow!
Snap back to reality, oh there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Sandy, no signings, a travesty
He’s so mad, but he won’t give up that easy? No
He won’t have it, he knows his city wants his neck in a rope
It don’t matter, he’s dope, he knows that, but his owner’s broke….

scott
8 years ago

Does the rotation really project to be top 10? Wheeler hasn’t had a good MLB season since 2014. Harvey since 2015. I think it is fair to question if either can be effective starters at this point. Matz chances of staying healthy seem slim. He seems to constantly be pitching through pain, even when nothing is structurally wrong. The 5 guys after Noah/deGrom averaged a fip over 5 last year. I think an argument can be made that beyond the top 2 it is the worst rotation in MLB.

nv
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

Yes, I’d guess around 6 or 7.

deGrom and Syndergaard are projected around 10 WAR by themselves. I would urge you to check out who the White Sox, Marlins, Rangers, A’s, Royals, Orioles, Tigers have hired to pitch for them.

scott
8 years ago
Reply to  nv

I didn’t say Mets were the worst, just don’t see them as top 10. That bottom 3 WAR projection is ugly, and I think that is with generous projections.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

War is not a real stat mets were under 500 before injuries degrom went 7-8 in 2016 because of lack of run support meaning degrom and syndergard don’t even guarantee to gave 20 wins combined

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

What are you possibly doing on this website?

nv
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

Asked if the Mets project as a top ten rotation: I checked the projections and found that they objectively do.

You speculated that without deGrom and Syndergaard, Mets are perhaps the worst rotation in the majors. I disagree and see rotations which are potentially worse even if the Mets’ top two miss the entire season.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  nv

Mets rotation is garbage Harvey has no ability matz is finished and syndergard might not be any better than degrom this year don’t be shocked if syndergard has a 4 era this year

scott
8 years ago
Reply to  nv

I am not disagreeing with you if they project to be top 10 or not. I am surprised they are. I thought 60% of the rotation being bad would weigh them down more. There is no argument the floor of the back end can be scary low, and I think at this point we need to seriously lower the ceilings on some of these guys.

If Mets were to lose their top 2, they then have a rotation without a starter with a single full season pitched since 2015, with an average fip greater than 5 in 2017.

nv
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

Yep, there’s a lot of injury history here and the floor is zero.

The fact of the matter is that starters 3-6 or 7 project to be roughly average. They all project to have FIP below five. Average is not bad. ZiPs could change this outlook.

Negativity and low expectations pervade internet commentary regarding the Mets. Shrug shoulders.

scott
8 years ago
Reply to  nv

The negativity and low expectations are not unfounded IMO considering the grotesque numbers that Harvey, Wheeler, and Matz put up in their most recent season. They were worth 0.0 WAR in 245 combined IP last year. They are the 3-5. That is not good.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  nv

mets were under 500 before injuries degrom went 7-8 in 2016 because of lack of run support meaning degrom and syndergard don’t even guarantee to gave 20 wins combined.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

mets had same era in 2014 as 2015 they had Murphy Wright granderson Duda lagares Flores darnaud familia yet they finished under 500 in 2014. Cespedes presence raised everyones level of play Cespedes is the only real player on the team..

Meir-w
8 years ago
Reply to  scott

Also, ten games projected behind the Nationals? I’ll take the over on that big time…

AnonMember since 2020
8 years ago

Setting aside the front office issues as noted by the other poster, I think the things with the Mets is that there seems to be much, much more variability for outcomes on a player by player basis. IOW, they are a low floor, high ceiling team. You could easily see the pitching being phenomenal, maybe even best in the league. You can also look at the lengthy injury histories (or recent performance declines) for Syndergaard, Harvey, Matz and Wheeler and see a pitching staff that might be below average. You can look at Cespedes and see a guy who put up 6.7 WAR 2 years ago, or you can see a 32 yo OF with leg issues that have limited him to 213 games the last 2 years and have crushed his defensive numbers and turned him into a 2-3 WAR guy. Even their rookies (Rosario and Smith) seem to be polarizing.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Harvey has no ability matz has had too many surgeries degrom went 7-8 in 2016 so degrom and syndergard with this offense won’t even get team 20 wins combined

Bret
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

Can you say it one more time? I think I missed it the first three.

senor_mike
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

A comma every now and again would be very helpful as well.

Johnston
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

Punctuation is your friend.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

I would not argue against a system where comments that receive a net -10 can be blocked, as well as all the responding comments.

BigChief
8 years ago

Got to consider how StVtFaB would find work in a system like that.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  Anon

This is part of the package with a shallow pool of high-upside young pitching in particular, but you’re certainly right that investing in Cespedes (who was basically signed as a kind of target of opportunity) didn’t mitigate the problem. The position-player pool is moving toward a flexibility/depth model, eg last year’s outfield, which is the right way to deal with injury risk, but the team still needs a lot more infield and pitching depth.

GoatHerderMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Agree Anon, not sure there is a team with a wider gap between their possible best case and worst case scenarios.

khaaan
8 years ago

Zombie George Steinbrenner could run the Mets better than the Wilpons do.

WoundedSprinterMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  khaaan

Zombie George Steinbrenner would starve to death. There don’t appear to be enough brains to slurp up.

davegawk
8 years ago

The Mets could’ve stayed competitive and under their $145 million number (if that’s what it is) with a few smart moves.

1) Sign Chacin for 8-10 mil, pencil him right behind Jake & Thor
2) Sign either Moustakas or Cain
3) Don’t trade for Ramos last year and waste 9 mil you don’t really have to spend
4) Trade for Kipnis (Gsellman plus prospects gets that done)
5) Sign Swarzak (good move) or Joe Smith (who went for a very low $)
6) Sign a second lefty like Nestor Cortes in the Rule V (they failed to take advantage here and simply took cash).

So far at least, Sandy is sleepwalking through this off-season and missing affordable opportunities to remain competitive.

vivalajeter
8 years ago
Reply to  davegawk

Kipnis would add depth, but it should be mentioned that Steamer is forecasting him to be on par with Jose Reyes next year, and worse than Flores – both of whom are a lot less expensive than Kipnis.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

No team can win with Reyes On April 27 mets had an era of 3.9 the nationals had an era of 4.5 yet the nationals had a 9 game lead already over the mets they were awful before injuries the team was going nowhere in 2017 they were an underperforming disaster from day 1 before injuries Reyes destroyed mets.

chuckbMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

sounds like they were an underperforming disaster after April 27.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

the very talented blue jays couldn’t win with Reyes in their locker room then they get rid of him and go to the Alcs 2 years in a row 2017 mets were supposed to be contenders they ended up 22 games under 500. Biggest collapses with reyes in 2007 and 2008.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

Jeez, just take it to WFAN already.

tuggernutsMember since 2020
8 years ago

I want a Matt Harvey bounce-back sooo bad. Dark Knight please rise.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  tuggernuts

Harvey has no ability

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

What the hell are you talking about? As recently as 2015, he was having a very impressive season. Injuries have made him into a huge question mark. Go troll elsewhere.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

He was awful from da 1 in 2016 before injuries he has no ability

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

He was never a pitcher just a guy who threw hard I told you 3 years ago he would be out of the league in a few years

chuckbMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

Are you auditioning to replace Mike Francesa? If so, I’ll bet you’re hired!

nickcarter
8 years ago

mets had same era in 2014 as 2015 they had Murphy Wright granderson Duda lagares Flores darnaud familia yet they finished under 500 in 2014. Cespedes presence raised everyones level of play Cespedes is the only real player on the team.

khaaan
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

nickcarter, with all this Mets hate, are you really Chipper Jones?

(or Fred Wilpon?)

SirCharlesKMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  khaaan

Ha. Chipper Jones actually likes the Mets because they give him such a lift to his career numbers. Middle name of one of his kids is Shea because he played so well there.

rosen380
8 years ago
Reply to  SirCharlesK

tOPS+ of 104 versus the Mets. He did better than average versus them, but not by some huge margin [like the Phillies, 123 tOPS+]. By my math, here is Chipper Jones 141 OPS+ adjusted to exclude individual teams [and replacing them with the weighted average of every other team he faced]:
MIA 142
PIT 142
TOR 142
BOS 142
CHC 142
BAL 142
SFG 142
STL 142
LAD 142
WSN 142

NYM 140
HOU 140
SDP 140
TBR 140
MIL 140
COL 139
PHI 138

Only two teams helped or hurt him enough to even shift his career OPS+ by more than 1 point and (1) neither of them were the Mets, and (2) we’re talking 2-3 points which is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme anyways.

nickcarter
8 years ago

This article is so dumb first off war is a completely fake stat cespedes had only 29 RBI by July 31 and was batting 270 he went over 150 at bats with 1 home run cespedes won over 26 games in 2018 and had only 2 war yet plawecki and his 13 RBI in 2018 had close to a 1 war yet as a fact cespedes helped 23 more games than plawecki

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

Apologies I meant to say 2016 when I said cespedes wok over 26 games not 2018

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  nickcarter

When I stated cespedes won over 26 games I by accident wrote 2018 I meant 2016

nickcarter
8 years ago

I mad a mistake I meant 2016 not 2018 when I state Cespedes won over 26 games it was 2016 not 2018 This article is so dumb first off war is a completely fake stat cespedes had only 29 RBI by July 31 and was batting 270 he went over 150 at bats with 1 home run cespedes won over 26 games in 2016 and had only 2 war yet plawecki and his 13 RBI in 2018 had close to a 1 war yet as a fact cespedes helped 23 more games than plawecki

vivalajeter
8 years ago

I think part of the problem with their team is that they’re full of average players, and it’s tough to improve any position unless you get a star.

Looking at 2b/3b, Steamer forecasts Cabrera and Flores to be within a win of Moustakas. Do you sign him to a long-term deal, at a high salary (considering their payroll contraints) if he’s not a big improvement over much cheaper players?

In CF, Lagares is close to a 3 WAR player if healthy, even if his offense doesn’t pick up. Cain would be a good target(especially if they can trade Lagares for another piece), as he would bring a lot more certainty to the position, but a healthy Lagares is playable.

As another poster pointed out though, this team has a lot of downside. Lagares hasn’t shown the ability to stay healthy, who knows if Conforto will be the same after he heals, if Cespedes keeps training like a bodybuilder then he probably won’t get any healthier, and the entire pitching staff is risky.

Since their position players can all be capable major leaguers, I think the best option is to sign for more depth to lower the downside risk. Dyson would be a great option at CF. He can be a darn good platoon option in CF, moving Nimmo to the 5th OF role. Then sign a RH 1B, or a 2B/3B swingman and use Flores as a RH 1B.

It’s the opposite of a stars and scrubs team like the Angels. In their case, they had so many bad players that it was easy to gain a few wins just by adding decent players.

nickcarter
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

War is a fake stat plawecki and his 13 RBI had close to a 1 war in 2018 Bryce Harper had a 4 war yet as a fact Harper helped 30 More games than plawecki yet according to war it’s only 3 games

Lanidrac
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

The Cardinals have had a similar problem the last couple of years. This offseason, the team decided enough was enough and made the move for Ozuna (after failing to get Stanton) rather than hoping that either Piscotty or Grichuk could bounce back as a starting outfielder, and they’ll surely spend big (in either money or prospects) on an established closer before the offseason is over. Although, unlike the Mets, they easily had enough extra money available to make the necessary upgrades.

AlbaNateMember since 2021
8 years ago

Here it is almost Christmas! And I believe it was Jesus who said “The Mets shall inherit the earth.” Or something like that.

In the words of the immortal Tug Mcgraw, “You just gotta take leave of your senses.”

Actually, I meant in the immortal words of Tug Mcgraw. I believe that the actual Tug died some years back.:(

Johnston
8 years ago
Reply to  AlbaNate

It’s really hard to be immortal if you’re dead.

SenorGato
8 years ago

I don’t get why they have yet to trade for Votto and Iglesias.

Paul22
8 years ago

They have over 700 million in debt and unlike the Marlins actually contribute a good chunk of revenue to the revenue sharing pool, much of which goes to the Marlins. The banksters probably have a say in payroll levels as well

Johnston
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul22

That’s a good point. The people they are so seriously in debt to would not take it well if the Mets were spending a lot of money that the Mets could be paying back to them on expensive players instead.

jcutigerMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Johnston

If they are really that far in debt, then MLB should make the Wilpons sell the team. They forced McCourt to see the Dodgers, but Wilpons have had friends in high places.

francis_soyer
8 years ago

In the immortal words of Jim Mora, the Mets haven’t done diddly-poo.

LHPSU
8 years ago

nickcarter must be the collective will of the New York Mets.

Mike NMN
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Nah. He’s just “that guy”

davegawk
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Please don’t insult us all like that. Every fan base has their own Nick Carter to overcome. For some, shyness might be their Nick Carter…for others, a lack of education…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I just clicked on this to see if there were some interesting comments and found that some guy named “Nick Carter” has gone stark raving mad. I googled him and found out that he used to date Paris Hilton, named his son Odin, and was accused of rape literally yesterday. Oh, and he used to sing in some sort of newfangled barbershop quintet/dance team in the 90s.

The Real McNulty
8 years ago

“maybe the Cardinals”. Haven’t the projections that have come out this year and using last years’ Base Runs pretty much marked the Cardinals down as one of the two wild card favorites?

Dooduh
8 years ago

welp, this was another comment section that went completely off the rails…

Dooduh
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

This could have ended at “the Mets are weird.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

It’s remarkable how that statement is accurate about every single news story about the Mets.

I am not a Mets fan at all, but I think being a Mets fan must be a profoundly decentering experience. Like experiencing your life as a dream where there is no causality and your roommate has the face of your best friend from high school.

Mookie Wilson
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Being a Mets fan is awesome.

Reading the drivel that gets written about the Mets constantly and listening to the stupidity of many Mets fans is what gets tiresome.

CpinsMember since 2024
8 years ago

Re: Wright/insurance — Not that it matters much but pretty sure the Mets only save $10m of $20m if Wright misses the entire season. There’s a 60 day deductible period during they pay full freight which is about $6.6m then I believe insurance covers 75% of the remaining $13.4m. That 75% = $10.05m so the club would still pay just under $10m.

TommyLasordid
8 years ago
Reply to  Cpins

AFLAC!

vivalajeter
8 years ago
Reply to  Cpins

I can’t remember where I read it, but I thought the 60 day deductible didn’t need to be met every year. Since he missed all of last year, and most of the year before, the 60 day deductible was met a long time ago and they’d collect insurance for the entire season (assuming he doesn’t come back).

CpinsMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

Could be – I’ve seen it reported both ways. I’m working on the assumption that there’s a better than 50% chance he tries to come back and the club doesn’t have the heart (or right) to stop him before he realizes it’s futile. The challenge for the Mets is they probably won’t “re-spend” any of that $10-15m until they have complete certainty. So unless he tells them he’s done before the trade deadline, the savings just go into the ownership fund rather than the roster.

RonnieDobbs
8 years ago

I don’t know that luck is going to be the determining factor for the Mets this year. That offense sounds really bad outside of oft-injured Conforto and Cespedes. It sounds like Conforto is questionable for opening day with a shoulder – which sounds really bad for 2018. I would imagine that they will be poor defensively. That OF looks really bad on paper. If Thor has a pretty predictable major injury this year, then they should be one of the worst teams in baseball. I would call that bullpen excellent, but that alone won’t do much for the Mets. Some metric is printing out “average” for that bullpen, but those are some very capable 9th innings guys. I don’t think they have much of a chance at competing this year. This team really hinges on Thor’s health. Perhaps they can take those payroll savings and buy the best training staff that money can buy… that would be the best money they can spend!

Mookie Wilson
8 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

How is Conforto ‘oft-injured’? He had one freak injury at the end of last year.

AJ pro-Preller
8 years ago

“At catcher, Travis d’Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki make for a solid duo…”
And this is one of the reasons the Mets have a chance at the wildcard?
Don’t you realize cogs on this site will take this as Bible?
You cannot write complete utter lies like this, it’s irresponsible as a journalist.
THIS IS A REASON WHY THEY WILL MISS THE PLAYOFFS BC THEIR CATCHER CANT HIT OVER.200

frangipard
8 years ago
Reply to  AJ pro-Preller

D’Arnaud, 2017: .244
Plawecki, 2017: .260

Looks like someone is indeed telling lies…

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
8 years ago
Reply to  frangipard

Even Rene Rivera hit .230 in the Mets portion of his 2017 season.

AJ pro-Preller
8 years ago
Reply to  frangipard

Dude…I am talking a full seasons worth of stats not less than 200 AB. LOL the commenters on here are so dumb. if your backstop cant stay healthy…pitching goes down with it…123,ABC kid

Rob
8 years ago
Reply to  AJ pro-Preller

Well they combined for over 600 PA and still hit over .200 collectively so your initial statement still isn’t true.

chuckbMember since 2016
8 years ago

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