The Mike Young Bad Contract Swap

The situation the Rangers face with Mike Young has little to do with Young’s abilities as a player. In the past six seasons he has accumulated 19.6 WAR, which places him among the best shortstops, second basemen, and, to a lesser degree, third basemen in the league. Rather, the issue stems from the team’s decision in 2007 to extend Young’s contract by five years and $80 million. With three years and $48 million remaining, Young is a decidedly overpaid player. That means the Rangers will either have to eat some money or get creative in a trade.

An hour ago Dave wrote about why a Young-for-Carlos Lee swap made sense. The potential trade, at least in part, centers on the contracts changing hands on both sides. Might one of the other seven teams on Young’s approved list have a similar contract swap situation?

Cardinals

The Cardinals could use some help at third base for the 2011 season. David Freese should be healed up from his 2010 injuries, but he’s not exactly a sure thing. A few middle infield moves might make third base easier to fill should Freese get hurt again, but none possesses even a league-average bat. Young could move right into the position and provide another table-setting option for Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday.

The only obviously bad contract they have to swap is Kyle Lohse, but that might not be easy. Lohse puttered through 18 starts in 2010 after making just 22 starts in 2009. The four-year, $41 million extension to which the Cardinals signed Lohse after the 2008 season is looking like a complete albatross. He still has two years and $23.75 million left, which offsets about half of the salary owed Young.

While the Cardinals could use Young, this one is a non-starter. As Dave noted, the Rangers shouldn’t be in complete salary dump mode here. That goes especially if they’re taking back a significant, and significantly bad, contract. The Cardinals themselves have issues, too. First, there’s the presence of 2010 first-rounder Zack Cox, who is waiting to take over at third. Then there’s money, which the Cardinals might not have in abundance. Their 2011 payroll is already at a team record $104 million, and they still have to get Pujols under contract. It’s a nice idea, but it’s unlikely to work.

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Yankees

With an infield that consists of Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, and Mark Teixeira, the Yankees don’t exactly have room for Young. Even at DH they have Jorge Posada this year, and they might be inclined to replace him next year with top prospect Jesus Montero. Young would have less an opportunity for playing time in New York than he does in Texas. Yet if there’s a team that can take on that salary, it’s the Yankees.

This past weekend, when the Young situation started to escalate, a reader of River Ave. Blues emailed with a creative proposal. Could the Yankees, short on pitching for 2011, trade for Young and then flip Cano for a pitcher? My initial reaction was no, because it’s rarely advisable for a contending team to trade its best hitter from the previous year, and one who is only 27 years old, but if the Yankees truly are desperate for another arm this does present one potential solution.

The problem, of course, is that there are too many moving parts. This would have to be a three-way swap. Otherwise, the Yankees would lose leverage in trading Cano and wouldn’t receive in return a pitcher of the caliber they desire. And, again, for emphasis, it’s probably not a great idea to trade the 27-year-old who carried the team’s offense the previous year. As with the Cardinals, this is a no-go. But it’s an interesting scenario to ponder, if nothing else.

Twins

If you want to worry about the Twins in 2011, just go to their 40-man roster and look at the infielders. There’s Justin Morneau, who still hasn’t begun baseball activities following a July concussion, and there’s Danny Valencia, entering his first full season in the majors. After that there doesn’t appear to be much offense. Even though Young’s defense is decidedly below average, he could still give the Twins a boost on offense.

Like the Cardinals, the Twins will set a team payroll record in 2011 at $105 million. The problem is that they don’t have an obvious contract to send Texas in return. Michael Cuddyer stands out as an overpaid player, but that would be taking away his bat to add Young’s. Maybe that would open a spot for Ben Revere, but that would give the Twins a mostly powerless outfield. Joe Benson could be another option, but it’s debatable whether the Twins would consider taking him north with the big club.

If the Twins were willing to take on around $13 million in annual salary, they might be able to work out a deal for prospects. But if they’re not willing to bring their payroll to around $120 million, it’s probably not going to work.

Rockies

Unless they’d be willing to trade, and Texas would be willing to accept, Aaron Cook, there doesn’t appear to be a match here. As we’ve seen discussed in the past week, Young probably only goes to the Rockies if the Rangers pick up some of the tab.

Angels

Wouldn’t it be something if the Angels, after losing out on Beltre, traded for the guy whom Beltre displaced? It makes me think that such a deal isn’t possible. That the Rangers and the Angels play in the same division makes it even less likely. But there might be a match here, despite the trade’s improbability.

It’s easy to look at Bobby Abreu and Scott Kazmir as contracts that the Angels could unload, but the interesting case here is Ervin Santana. The Rangers could use a starter, and Santana has between $20.2 and $32.2 million remaining on his contract. That would match the two sides nicely. Again, circumstances probably preclude the possibility, but if the Rangers find themselves frustrated they might have an alternative in Anaheim.

Padres

The Padres don’t have any bad contracts to trade, really, because they don’t have many big contracts. They have only two players under contract for 2012 and have just $13.55 million on the books. It also doesn’t appear that they’re willing to take on salary. And then they have players entrenched at all infield positions — though Young could presumably supplant Jorge Cantu at first.

The only way this gets done is if 1) the Padres are willing to trade Heath Bell, and 2) they’re willing to take on a considerable portion of Young’s contract. I just don’t see either happening. If they were willing to take on a decent amount of payroll they probably would have gone after Derrek Lee on a one-year deal, rather than acquire Young’s three remaining years. Bell will also become very valuable come July, either anchoring their pen or headed elsewhere in a trade.

The Rangers find themselves in a tough spot, because Young can veto trades to 21 teams. Given the obstacles that stand between the Rangers and the eight approved teams, they might have to seek his permission for a trade elsewhere. Either that, or they have to eat a significant portion of Young’s contract. While there are some potential matches among these eight teams, no situation that approaches ideal exists.





Joe also writes about the Yankees at River Ave. Blues.

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Bradsbeard
15 years ago

The Diamondbacks don’t really have any bad contracts to swap (Kelley Johnson is their highest paid player at $6.5M!), but they aren’t really planning to go into the season with Melvin Mora as their starting 3B are they?

gnomez
15 years ago
Reply to  Bradsbeard

Sean Burroughs, starting 3B.

hunterfan
15 years ago

I have a hard time believing if the Rangers came up with a trade one of the teams on his no trade list, and it was a reasonable trade, that MY would still veto it.

MY is still conscious of his public image. If the Rangers came up with a trade to say, the Cubs, in a bad contract swap, and publicized that they could trade MY to the Cubs, I think Young would feel he’d have to take it.

Just spitballing, but I think confining the list of trade partners to just those 8 teams misses the reality that MY will probably accept a trade to anyone except the Royals, Mariners or Pirates.

t ball
15 years ago
Reply to  hunterfan

I agree. It seems likely that Young would agree to a team not on the list unless it was a truly terrible team. I think he even hinted he would expand that list in the last day or so.

Bob
15 years ago
Reply to  hunterfan

Cubs may be one of the only teams where Young makes sense. In fact, a swap of Young for Big Z wouldn’t be that crazy.

Jack WeilandMember since 2020
15 years ago

Isn’t the going rate roughyl $5MM/win? If that’s the case, and Young’s been averaging 3.26 wins over the past six years, he’s not THAT overpaid. No? It’s not Wellsian, at least.

Eric R
15 years ago
Reply to  Jack Weiland

Well that’d be true if you expect him to be about the same age 34-36 as 28-33. I’m guessing not very likely.

With a 3-2-1 weighted average of 3.1 WAR and figuring in -0.5 WAR in decline each year and using $5M/win this year, plus 7% per year afterward, I get a value of $33.4M.

Using the Fans projected WAR, plus 0.5 in decline for 2012 and 2013 makes it alittle worse at just $27M in projected value.

dinordi
15 years ago
Reply to  Eric R

Young will be accruing less AB’s, so -0.5 WAR is being generous in regards to his diminished role.

Tom
15 years ago

What if the Yankees traded for him with the intention of keeping him in a super utility role? Given the age/fragility of Posada/A-Rod/Jeter, depth couldn’t hurt. And if he is willing to play left field, he gives them a potentially very nice platoon partner for Brett Gardner, freeing up Jones to cover for Granderson vs. lefties.

Steve
15 years ago
Reply to  Tom

if Texas ate some money, that would be intriguing, but even the Yankees can’t afford a $16M bench player. They’re not the Red Sox!!

Kick me in the GO NATS
15 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Or the Giants. Aaron Rowand anyone?

Kick me in the GO NATS
15 years ago
Reply to  Steve

well ok he makes only $13.5 million, but still

ken
15 years ago

Cards could use Young as an improvement over Schumaker at 2B, especially given their paucity of middle infield depth, but there are questions about how is glove is going to play there (fans scouting gave Young brutal range marks at 3B) and they are in full sign-Pujols-mode. Also, assuming Young is going to be worth somewhere like 6 WAR over the next three seasons, the contract overpays him $15 mil; Lohse is probably like a $10 mil overpay. Any deal the Cards have for Young would have to include a ton of cash.

ken
15 years ago
Reply to  ken

Edit: Cash from TEX, not STL.

Nick
15 years ago

You only discussed 6 of the other 7 teams. What about the Dodgers?

Jeff
15 years ago

Couldn’t Kubel play the OF and Thome as full time DH if the Twins traded Cuddyer?

Kevin S.
15 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

“Play” is a relative term when we’re discussing Kubel and leather.

t ball
15 years ago

Young received a signing bonus and some of the contract money is deferred. Solid figures are hard to find, but he’s not really going to make $16M a year for the next three years. It’s probably more like $12-13M. Still too much, but it does reduce the amount TX will have to eat and the burden on the receiving team somewhat.

Ervin Santana. Hah, not likely. That seems like way too much to give up. I’m not going to count on the Angels doing that twice in one offseason.

Slappy
15 years ago

This is a no-brainer. Young to Colorado for Street. Street’s @7.5M+ for the next 3 years. It offsets much of Young’s salary. The Rockies have upgraded their pen in the off-season and Texas would have an alternative should Felix end up starting.

BJsWorld
15 years ago

Not sure I see the upside for the Angels.

Ervin Santana is signed to a team friendly contract. He is positioned to be much more valuable than Young over the next few years.

The Angels would be trading away an asset while assuming a major liability. That doesn’t make sense.

The better alternative is a Kazmir swap. Rangers would still need to kick in some money but at least it would be better than forking over $20m to Colorado.

Joel
15 years ago

I would think a deal with the Cubs (assuming Young would accept a trade there) could work out for both sides.

Cubs get Young (3yr 48m)

Rangers get Soriano (4yr 72m), plus cash and a 10-20th ranked prospect.

Soriano would make a nice DH and the Cubs could use Young at second.

Well, I can dream can’t I?

Adam D
15 years ago
Reply to  Joel

yes, but as a Rangers fan, any deal that brings Alfonso Soriano back to this team is a non-starter.

Joel
15 years ago
Reply to  Adam D

He is a new man…..trust me. He if far and away the best defensive DH in the history of the game. How can you not want the guy who Angel Hernadez basis his strike zone judgement around?

Wally
15 years ago

What about the Nats – Marquis and a prospect for most of MY’s contract? They have been looking to spend money to get better ASAP, and while it is not a pitcher like they wanted, Young could play 2B and Espinosa and Desmond can compete for SS/utility roles (espy also recovering from hamate surgery this winter). Makes the offensive lineup a lot better. Not sure what it does for Texas other than salary relief, tho. Marquis is a sinkerballer, I guess, and pitched ok after coming back from injury. Also just a 1 year contract.

Joe S
15 years ago

I have been jonesing for a MY/Barry Zito trade for a while now. It might have worked if the Giants had an opening somewhere, plus they already have DeRosa at $6M assuming a super utility role. Alas, even if such a trade were worked out Zito would nix it with his no trade clause……@sswipe!

mockcarr
15 years ago

The Nats aren’t a good fit, they’re emphasizing defense and need to see if Espinoza can hit enough this year. They also have a decent 2B prospect in Lombardozzi coming along if Desmond can’t get his error total in check and Espinoza moves over to short where his bat will play better.

Kick me in the GO NATS
15 years ago
Reply to  mockcarr

Adam LaRouche and his ability to catch anything near him will drop Desmond’s error total by roughly 10 this season. If he improves at all himself then its going to fall more. Desmond will be fine (not great), but decent to good.

Aaron Whitehead
15 years ago

“…in the past six seasons he has accumulated 19.6 WAR, which places him among the best shortstops,”
In the past six seasons, John Smoltz has accumulated 19.1 WAR, which doesn’t place him among the best anything, because he’s not that good anymore. Six years ago is a long time, even with one year as an announcer.

Bubba
15 years ago

How does it help the Rockies to trade Aaron Cook for Young? Who takes Cook’s innings…Paulino? Esmil Rogers? Who then backfills for any starts missed by De la Rosa, Hammel, etc.? Seems like you strengthen one spot (assuming Young can still play 2nd) while weakening the rotation, all the while taking on a sizable contract.

Someone above mentioned trading Street instead…I have no idea if the Rangers would be up for that, but it’s definitely interesting from a Rockies perspective.

Bob
15 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

who would pitch 9th inning for Rox?

Pierre
15 years ago

if Michael Young is racking up WAR, doesn’t this tell us more about WAR than Michael Young? TX seems to think he’s wasn’t much better than replacement at 2B, SS, or 3B. At this point he seems like the very definition of replacement.

Eric
15 years ago
Reply to  Pierre

I’ll have to disagree with you here. After the Alex Rodriguez trade, Young moved to SS from 2B as a replacement for ARod.

A few years later, with Youngs defense declining (moving from bad to worse) and a fantastic defensive SS coming up behind him, the Rangers decided Young was still effective enough as a hitter to keep in the lineup, but just needed to be in a less important defensive position. Now, with another defensive upgrade to take his place, the Rangers still wanted Young’s above-replacement-value bat to still be an important part of their lineup.

If the Rangers truly felt that Young was replacement level, they wouldn’t have made it a point to keep him on the team and in the lineup after finding his defensive replacements.

dustygator
15 years ago
Reply to  Pierre

I think you are confusing replacement over average. Francoeur is a replacement player. Michael Young is an average-above average player especially at 3B.

Mike H
15 years ago

To Cubs for Zambrano? Would Zambrano waive the NTC to go to an AL contender?

Joey B
15 years ago

Y’all got the wrong Santana. Ervin is probably worth approximately what he is paid. MY is obviously paid at least 33% more than he is worth. Wells aside, why would anyone want to trade a greater value for a lesser value? If they were willing to pay $16M, they’d have had Beltre and Santana rather than just MY. Makes no sense.

Try Johan Santana. It’s a bad contract at this point, probably worse than Young’s, but Santana can still deliver some value. Young is unlikely to make any meaningful contribution to Texas. Johan will cost ~ $9M more, but is likely to produce a good bit more.

Carl LaFong
15 years ago

Why would the Angels trade Santana, who is a legitimate #2 pitching as a three, and a guy who is still improving, especially with a contract that is friendly to the Angels? Abreu’s contract vests for 2012 with 450 ABs, which means it’s worth about 18 million. He would be the DH the Rangers are losing and a guy who can still fill in at the corner outfield positions. The Rangers could take a chance on Kazmir and his 12 million, but he has a two million buyout for 2012, so that’s 14 million. I can’t imagine the Rangers not having to kick in some cash. The Angels could ad a bullpen arm or Callaspo. Young will only allow himself to go to a team that has a chance to win, and that would appear to be the Angels and the Rockies. The only teams both in need and with the financial depth and tradeable pieces to get it done. The Rangers might not have a choice where they send him. And if they keep him they have poisoned their own well.

lenred
15 years ago

Assuming a no-trade clause would be waived, how about this 3-way trade:

MY to Cubs
Carlos Silva to the Indians
Travis Hafner to the Rangers

MY can start at 2b over Blake DeWitt or Ryan Theriot and mentor Castro.
Silva can fill a slot in the Indians’ rotation.
Hafner, playing 3-4 days per week, can provide some good number at DH.

Have the Indians pick up some of Hafner’s contract in 2012 (say $5 M) and have the Cubs kick in $20 M over the 3 years of the MY contract. With Fukudome’s contract ending this year, their future payroll doesn’t look too different than it does now.

Cubs get a starting 2B for 3 years. Rangers get another power bat and Tribe dumps salary.

Eric
15 years ago
Reply to  lenred

I wouldn’t do that if I were the Rangers. Sure, they cut some salary, but Hafner, while pretty effective when he does play, misses wayyyy too much time, and is not versatile at all. The Rangers currently have a pretty comparable hitter at DH in Napoli, and could play Kinsler/Hamilton/Cruz at DH somedays too to give some of their frailer players a day off from the field while still keeping their bats in the lineup.s

lenred
15 years ago
Reply to  Eric

Assuming that the Rangers are trying to accommodate Young’s request to trade him, Hafner would give them something of value in return. Last year, he had an 824 OPS in 398 AB’s. If that shoulder can be managed effectively, he could post similar power numbers to Napoli, but with a high BA and OBP.

True, Hafner’s missed a lot of time due to his shoulder injury. The Indians’ FO says that they looked at the numbers and found that if he plays 3 out of 4 days, he is able to be productive and avoid injury recurrences (I’ll have to go with them on this as I’m not going to research it).

As you mention, he’s restricted to DH, but a 278/374/449 line could improve in Arlington. Andrus, Kinsler, Hamilton, Beltre, Cruz, Hafner, Napoli might be the best lineup in baseball and provides a decent left-right balance.

Point is, Hafner has a shorter, cheaper contract and can be an asset if the Rangers are forced to make a move.

Shoeless Johnny
15 years ago

How about to the Whitesox for Teahen?

JHB
15 years ago

If David Ortiz would waive his “Ten and Five” rights, Michael Young to Boston for David Ortiz would make sense. Michael Young is a more versatile, right handed player. While he’d primarily be a DH in Boston, he might get 80 or more games at various infield positions. Young would probably hit for better OBP than Ortiz, and he’d remedy the current situation where Boston has five left-handed starters. For Texas, David Ortiz would thrive hitting for power in the Ballpark against weaker AL West teams. Boston would be a better team for the trade, and they could afford the salary; Texas would get a name player for Young, and they’d trade three high-priced years for one.

B Ruby
15 years ago

The Cardinals final payroll in 2008 was a team-record $109,989,046. (http://www.bizofbaseball.com/docs/FinalPayrollbyYear_MLB.pdf)

The 2011 payroll currently sits at $104.4 million for about 17 players, but that does not include settling contracts with non-arbitration cost-control players covering the last 8 roster spots such as Jason Motte, Mitchell Boggs, Colby Rasmus, Jaime Garcia, David Freese, Tyler Greene, Jon Jay and Fernando Salas. That probably brings the payroll to about $108 million, second-highest in team history.

Michael Young’s schizophrenic offensive splits and his defensive deficiencies cannot be ignored. According to your own Fangraph UZR metrics, Young was the worst-fielding 3B in the AL the last two seasons, and third-worst (17th of 19) in all the majors last season. Moreover, his offensive splits, both career and more pointedly in 2010, cannot be ignored. Young has a career OPS of .733 away from Arlington. His 2010 season was much worse at .679 OPS on the road.

The Cardinals will have enough questions and criticism about their defense at 2B, SS and RF in the coming season. Why compound that at 3B? And why acquire even a percentage of Young’s salary (if the Rangers are willing to pay part) instead of trying younger players at 3B? Even if the Cards had to use Allen Craig at 3B if Freese can’t answer the bell, Craig’s defense at 3B could not be any worse than Young, and Craig (.888 OPS in the minors) could probably at least duplicate any offense Young might provide outside of Arlington.

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