The Most Underrated Player in Baseball, Again
Usually, these things tend to go in one direction. We talk about a player who seems underrated, and then, in time, that player becomes rated more or less appropriately. We’ve seen this happen with, say, Jose Quintana, who used to be considered a nobody even while he was pitching out of his mind. A lot more people now know how good Kyle Seager is. People know how good Starling Marte is. People have even figured out how good Kevin Kiermaier is, basically. Obligatory Ben Zobrist mention. Great players don’t stay hidden too long. I should note that I’m open to the argument Mike Trout remains underrated, but that’s different, because his ability is impossible for humans to understand.
You don’t see many players go from underrated to understood to underrated again. Such a sequence ordinarily wouldn’t make any sense. Yet, sometimes, there are just atypical circumstances. Of course there’s no infallible metric for underratedness. I know that I can’t prove anything, so we can get that out of the way up front. But I’m just here to remind you about A.J. Pollock. Pollock was once criminally underrated, and then, as time passed, he was recognized as one of the greats. Then he missed almost an entire baseball season. Out of sight, out of mind — that is how we work. So Pollock is back to where he was, preparing for camp as Arizona’s neglected star.
There’s a lot of uncertainty surrounding Andrew McCutchen, which is among the primary reasons he hasn’t been traded. McCutchen is right around 30 years old, and two seasons ago, he was a six-win outfielder. Then he dropped to being a half-win outfielder. Uncertainty exists because McCutchen was a below-average player over 153 games.
Pollock is right around 30 years old, although he’s a year younger than McCutchen is. Two seasons ago, he was a six-win outfielder, and then he dropped to being a half-win outfielder. But where McCutchen was worth almost nothing over 675 trips to the plate, Pollock was worth almost nothing over 46. By now, you probably remember seeing clips of him fracturing his elbow while sliding early last year. Pollock isn’t a bounceback candidate in the way McCutchen is. We haven’t actually seen A.J. Pollock be bad.
It’s not particularly good to miss a season. We’d all be more comfortable if Pollock were just a healthy Pollock all of the time. But the injury Pollock sustained shouldn’t have a lasting impact, beyond the 2016 season it helped to tank. In a similar vein, maybe you’d want an article like this to be written about Michael Brantley, who was a six-win outfielder in 2014. Brantley, though, has had major shoulder problems, and it’s far from guaranteed he’ll ever get his old swing back. We can’t know what we’ll get from any player, yet Pollock feels safer than Brantley, and he feels safer than McCutchen, too.
I don’t have a good reason for the timing of this post. A.J. Pollock hasn’t been in the news more than usual. Even with his return, I don’t expect the Diamondbacks to make a push for the playoffs. It’s just — do you remember how good Pollock has been? This is a reminder, showing Pollock’s percentile rankings out of all players with at least 1,000 plate appearances since 2013. Note that playing that often over the past four years already selects for talent. So.
Pick a skill, and Pollock has been better than average at it. Running the bases? He’s been awesome. Playing center field? He’s been awesome. Knowing the zone? He’s been fine. Making contact? He’s been great. Hitting for power? He’s gotten only better and better. We’ll come back to that, but as far as all this goes, Pollock is one of those across-the-board contributors, kind of similar to Mookie Betts. So by WAR/600, we get Pollock at 5.5. For reference, Betts is at 5.4, and Manny Machado is at 5.3. Miguel Cabrera’s at 5.2. When he’s been on the field, Pollock has been more valuable than almost anybody. It’s just been a while since he could play every day. He’s back, now, and he’s 100%.
It’s easy to have forgotten, or just not known, that Pollock is another one of those swing-change guys. This gets into that power development I referred to earlier, as Pollock was never expected to become so good. Pollock debuted in the majors in 2012, and this is what his swing looked like:
A year later, you can see that Pollock added the familiar leg kick:
And here’s a 2014 swing. It looks similar to the 2013 swing, only with a lowering of the hands. This swing has stuck with him ever since, and he’s pushed ISOs close to .200.
Just to keep up the .gif barrage, here’s a glimpse of what Pollock looked like in the most recent season, since 2014 was a while ago.
Do the swing and follow-through ring any bells?
Josh Donaldson’s swing is more visually aggressive — Donaldson looks more like he wants to actually hurt someone. He raises his knee up higher. But you get a similar leg kick, you get a similar coil, and you get similar activity in the bat. Pollock hasn’t figured out how to lift the ball quite like Donaldson has, but these are two of the premier swing-change guys from the last few years, and this side-by-side isn’t coincidental.
A.J. Pollock is 29, which is too young to be aging. Although he just missed basically a whole year, he missed time with the sort of injury that shouldn’t hold him back anymore, now that it’s healed. The last we saw Pollock, he was one of the game’s better defenders at a premium position, and that should still be true. I can’t imagine he’s forgotten how to run the bases. And to go with his high contact rates, Pollock has learned how to more consistently drive the ball all over the place, just like so many of the other swing-changers on other rosters.
Because of the time missed, I’ll grant there is uncertainty. Yet I prefer the Pollock path over the McCutchen path, and as the Diamondbacks look to turn the page, Pollock is going to be absolutely critical to any 2017 chances they might go on to have. It’s not that you didn’t know A.J. Pollock is good. It’s just that it’s easy to forget about players when they don’t get to play. A.J. Pollock is again an active player, and all around, he’s one of the best at what he does. It was nice of other players to keep the leaderboards warm.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.


Great article. I am keeping Pollock @ $17 in my keeper league. I drafted him for $2 a few years back and stashed him on my DL last season. I think $17 is a steal. I’m guessing he would go for $25+ at auction in our league (7×7 roto with 15 owners).
LOL?. More “vote downs”…? Jesus Christ. What is wrong with this community?
Internet Rule #321: Nobody cares about your fantasy league.
To be fair, you’re part of the problem with a username that invokes fantasies for some of these fans.
the whole up/down vote thing is ridiculous. it leads to a pack mentality like we see here. jumping all over this guy for what..?
It allows other readers to indicate the comment does not meet the standards of the community.
If you read the comments on CNN or YouTube, or most other sites on the internet, you’ll understand how bad it can be.
“Standards of the community”? Please. Why are people alleged to be progressive this intolerant of views that may be somewhat outside their own? We are not talking life and death in here. Ease up with the pack mentality. If there is an objection to a post, express it with words. Then move on.
As someone said below, down votes add nothing to the community.
Otoh, there may be some value to up voting something.
If you didn’t care you wouldn’t take the time to write a negative post
pretty sure theyre still uninterested in their fantasy league
You realize that fantasy baseball is only a small subset of this website, right? Generally speaking, the articles in the left column (“FanGraphs”) are broader and directed at baseball analysis in general. Especially Jeff Sullivan, who repeatedly informs his readers that he doesn’t do fantasy and can’t offer advice for fantasy. “Rotographs” (located in the middle on the front page) is generally where the fantasy content is going to be located.
But consider this: you posted on an article that was purely analysis in nature and didn’t discuss anything in fantasy. Specifically, it didn’t even really get into any real stats. You then posted about your personal team in your personal league that (almost) no one else on this site is a part of. I mean, it’s cool that you got Pollock at $2 and had him on your DL last year, but why does that matter to the rest of us? That’s why you’re being downvoted.
Moronall,
Considering a previous comment was posted to a Rotograph article and was downvoted to hell, I’m assuming most of the community are assholes. Also, your condescending reply speaks volumes. I’m sure 0 to 1% of the readers have employment related to baseball…so, why are you here? Just reading some deep baseball analysis for the heck of it? If so, that’s awesome and you’re awesome…but the analysis of apparent “fake stats”,(because he didn’t get into any “real stats”) is one of the many tools I use when building my team. Sometimes I just like certain players based on their numbers and I don’t get to see them play very often…articles like this one give me a sense of vindication. If that is worthy of some hate, so be it.
Another fangraphs sin: extrapolating from a too(2) small sample size
Downvotes are not “hate”.
Let’s take a quiz. What’s more mean-spirited, (a) clicking a thumbs down icon, or (b) saying most of this community are assholes?
@Lows005
People like fantasy baseball on this site. People are interested in fantasy baseball.
People are not interested in YOUR fantasy baseball team.
Your comment was not about baseball. It was not anout fantasy baseball generally. It was about YOU. And no one came to this article to learn about Lows005
What are you not getting about this?
Also, I don’t think anyone cares enough about your comment to hate it. The downvotes are meant to discourage this kind of comment in the future. Subsequent downvotes are likewise trying (and failing) to discourage your hi-jacking of the comment section. (Notice a comment about you, followed up by a comment about how you feel has nothing to do with baseball?)
In my experience this is a community that values comments that others can learn from, or ask a question that can lead to others re-thinking a topic.
What information have you provided that is useful to another person? Nothing. That’s why you get the down votes. You’re not contributing anything to anyone else with your comment. It’s pure narcissism to think the rest of the world should care about your comment, when it provides them no insight, no information of value, no humor, no interesting story…just you stating a fact about something that is only relevant to you (and 9-11 other people, though I bet most people in your league don’t even care about your fantasy team).
Oh, hey! Thanks, bud. I will admit my initial comment was totally void of substance…it was merely me thinking out loud. I had some downtime at the office and just dropped a quick thought. I was then bombarded by down-votes because, ya know, everyone likes to fit in. It was never my intention to hijack the comment section but as you stated, the down-voting and other comments were not productive in just “moving on”. Look, I’m not one to engage strangers on the internet looking for a fight, so, I’ll just leave it at this…If you don’t like someone’s comment, or post, just scroll down. It’s THAT easy.
Follow your own advice.
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I see many comments on these articles that don’t really add any information, e.g., someone says, nice article, without elaborating, or says, such and such player is awesome, which everyone knows. Should they be down-voted?
I don’t expect every comment to have valuable information. Sometimes people are just expressing how they feel. I don’t have a problem with this.
“hi-jacking the comment section”. I would say that those who are acting as the police here are the ones guilty of this. The fellow was perhaps naive to think we cared, but to rip on him is petty. MHO
“why are you here? Just reading some deep baseball analysis for the heck of it?”
If I had to sum it up in a sentence, that’s as good as any!
Not sure that makes me awesome, but I’ll take it.
I down voted him because he complained about receiving down votes.
and then there’s this…. eyeroll
‘Merica.
People on this site like fantasy baseball, why it that weird? and why does it have to matter to the rest of you? News Flash! you’re nobodies…
who said that??
Preach! Just kidding, down-votes are petty. Up-votes may have some value in identifying a valuable post, but down-votes are only relevant to one’s FG-based self-esteem.
I can understand that most people here aren’t interested in discussing fantasy, neither am I. But that just means I read a comment about fantasy, and go, glad it worked out for him, though I really don’t care. But why would I bother to down vote him? I will down vote a post that i think is obnoxious, mean-spirited or factually incorrect. The above post was none of those.
lecture not needed
If went to a NASCAR site and praised yourself for getting a good deal on a used Civic I’m sure you would get a similar reaction.
I’m not sure about that. It all depends on the overall health of the community. There is absolutely an elitist culture here.
Wow. That analogy does not make sense, and, if it did, would be abusive argumentation. If you wrote as much in Bolivia, I’m sure peccaries would gore you with their tusks. See? That so many people see reason here is disquieting.
The response to Lows005’s comment was hugely disproportional. At worst he violated a petty, made-up taboo. The community very much piled on. And, clearly, it made Low005 feel unwelcome and crapped on.
This comment section exposes an ugly, exclusionary vein in the FanGraphs community. Yuck. I’ll be staying away.
Used Civic? Lets not get carried away. He is like a used Lincoln.
I gave you a thumbs up just to try to even things up a little. I’ve been flamed like that for some harmless comment.
Just ignore those thumbs down from those who have nothing useful to do.
Thanks, Tampa. I’m not overly annoyed with it, just a bit concerned. I thought this community would be a little more welcoming and mature. I’ve been visiting this site for awhile and rarely, if ever, comment. When I have, it feels worse than a reddit full of adolescents.
Try making comments that relate to the article. That have information useful to others. That raise a question that is useful to others. That someone other than you could find value in. See if you get better results.
As RonnieDobbs commented above, there is most definitely an “elitist” vibe to this website.
Really??
You made a comment that really had nothing to do with the article and only applied to like 10 people on the planet. The result was a few down votes. That is it. Instead of saying “Oh. Maybe people did not like that comment. I guess that is not something people want to read” You instead proceeded to basically insult the entire community and the further result was, not surprising, more down votes.
No one personally attacked you or insulted you or swore at you and told you to go away. In fact several people politely pointed out WHY you got the reaction you did when you appeared confused.
But yeah, its clearly the fault of the community that you A) posted something completely irrelevant to the conversation, and B) overreacted to mild disapproval by repeatedly talking shit about everyone and refusing for even a second to consider that maybe you were at fault to begin with. *rolleyes*
Black Mirror, Nosedive episode in real life.
RAZZBALL.COM is a great FANTASY baseball website with a fun community of readers, no elitist douchebags that think they have the statistical expertise to write their own articles in the comment section of an internet message board.
RAZZBALL. COM baseball’s place large pictures with joy community readers, no jerks bags elite who think there is a statistics expert to write a note in the “Notes” for banning internet messages.
Literally just got caught grinning like an idiot in class upon seeing the Donaldson gif. Had no idea their swings were so similar. Awesome.
Also, great job on MLB Now yesterday.
Pollock has been one of my favorite outfielders in baseball and I’ve spent countless hours looking for possible future comparables. Last season around the halfway point, I was convinced Mitch Haniger would prove to be one, and I’ve written plenty (here and elsewhere) over how he could prove to be an excellent fit for the Mariners (before they acquired him!).
And speaking of the Mariners, there’s one player in Seattle who has flashed power, has a similar physical makeup, but has been a bit wild/aggressive, and hasn’t been able to do much consistently on offense.
I’m talking about Leonys Martin, and Jeff’s piece here has me wondering if he’s someone who might benefit dramatically by introducing a leg-kick and a fluid drop of the hands. Maybe that could buy him a little time before committing a swing and allow him to make better contact when he does swing?
Just a thought.
Even last year, Pollock still managed to be 5.2 WAR/600 despite an 89 wRC+. It was only 46 PA so I really only say this for amusement purposes only, but he’s been a value machine for years now, no matter when he plays.
2013: 4.5 WAR/600
2014: 6.9
2015: 5.8
2016: 5.2 WAR/600
I would also like to challenge the notion that Pollock is “injury-prone”. I think he’s mostly had some really bad luck.
In 2014, he had his season cut short due to a broken hand – on a Cueto pitch that came way up-and-in. This is not something that’s typically repeatable.
(also, look at the ridiculousness of the called strikes Cueto got up-and-in this game – right at the hands)
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/location.php-pitchSel=456501&game=gid_2014_05_31_cinmlb_arimlb_1&batterX=&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=&league=mlb&pnf=&zlpo=&cache=1.gif
And this elbow injury from 2016 was actually the same injury that occured in 2010. HOWEVER, it was reported that the procedure done in 2010 was performed incorrectly and the team was aware that this could re-fracture due to not healing properly.
“The elbow had given Pollock trouble all spring and x-rays taken had shown that a plate, inserted after he fractured the elbow during Spring Training 2010, had broken and the bone itself had never fully healed.”
This time around, the doctors are using better a much better plate and using bone treatments from the hip/pelvis to get the bone to actually heal properly. I’m sure there’s still a risk for re-injury, but I still think it’s something that it’s still pretty low.
But, in summary, I think Pollock has had some really bad luck on the injury front but should (hopefully) be more lucky going forward.
I am terrified of that elbow. Most saw the 2016 slide and thought ‘freak accident’. I thought ‘well that elbow will never be right again’. I’m no doctor, but it hardly puts my mind at ease to know it broke because they did a poor job fixing it the *first* time.
Honestly, I would be more terrified if we didn’t know the information about the broken plate and improper healing. As in, the bone was completely healthy and strong and fractured again. Instead, we’ve got an attrubitable root cause that intuitively explains why the re-injury happened (especially since Pollock had been having these elbow issues all Spring whereas there was nothing said on it the previous years).
Considering the awareness of this cause as well as the fact that Pollock still managed to return to baseball action last year, I am actually more confident that it’ll be less of an issue going forward.
What a great comment! You should write community research articles.
Is there anything to the fact that Donaldson’s back leg is almost straight and he’s one legged, whereas most hitters I see (like Pollock) have a bend to it.
With Donaldson, it’s weird, because while the one leg is straight and make him appear tall and ready to tap into power like a pendulum, his upper body is still “low.” So, he’s getting a lower-to-upward swing plane which is what everyone is used to seeing now.
Donaldson has a slight bend but you’re right it’s much less pronounced than many others. If we call Donaldson a 10 on the tall back leg/crouched upper body scale a good comp might be Miggy Cabrera who at times keeps his back leg more upright and looks like maybe a 7 on that scale.
I don’t know if Tewksbary uses Miggy as an example of posture, hands/load, bat path, etc but seems like a good place to start.
You can probably add Anthony Rendon to the list of (still) underrated.
I would say the most underrated player in baseball is Mike Trout, for a slightly different reason. Yeah everyone who follows baseball knows who he is, but a lot of my friends, family and coworkers have never heard of him. Yet they would all know who Jeter, Griffey, Chipper and others are. Trout is the best clean baseball player of my lifetime, and he barely has any mainstream acclaim. In fact, Harper is probably more well known.
“Trout is the best clean baseball player of my lifetime…”
You’re probably right. But how can you possibly pretend to know who is “clean” and who is “dirty?”
Generally speaking I don’t. The only players you could argue are better than Trout are Barry Bonds and (maybe) Alex Rodriguez. I don’t think it’s controversial to say that they are steroid users.
I read the article and other than having missed a season, don’t know what the case is for Pollock as most underrated player.
Every time his name has been mentioned in trade proposals, the price is suggested as sky high… doesn’t seem underrated to me.
Underrated – I’d nominate 5+ win Jean Segura… continues to be seen as trash by most of the community.
I don’t know about trash. He might be underrated simply due to the fact that he posted a combined 0.1 fWAR over 1307 PA’s in 2012, 14, and 15. A solid enough 2013 and a terrific 2016 can’t be ignored but he is just far too inconsistent in the eyes of many people (seriously – in those 3 down years his wRC+ peaked at 68).
If he performs in line with the projections you are looking at a perfectly serviceable 2 fWAR player. Nothing wrong with that – just nothing to get overly excited about. Certainly not in the same discussion as some of these other players.
If anything, Segura might be overrated.
I see plenty of people on board the Segura train. And obviously the Mariners were certainly buying on Segura’s bounceback.
But is Segura really a 5 WAR player again? I think most people see him realistically as a 2-3 WAR player going forward. If Segura comes out and puts up another 5 WAR season, then he can join the underrated conversation. But I think he’s likely to regress closer to 2-3 WAR.
I’ll just throw this out there about Segura because it doesn’t get written about often enough. The guy had a good rookie year in 2013 and then in the middle of 2014 his 9 month old son died back in the Dominican Republic while he was in Milwaukee. It’s not at all hard to think that maybe that affected him for at least some period of time.
There have also been rumors that he was very unhappy with Milwaukee over what he saw as an unfair extension offer in 2014 and pouted about it. That’s no defense but it’s also potentially an explanation.
Nobody knows what he’s going to do going forward but it’s not hard to believe that maybe he’s back on track and 2016 was more like the real Jean Segura than the 2 years before that.
I will say this: I rate Pollock these days. Now Mitch Haniger, he might be underrated and for the exact same reason Pollock was the first time.
Haniger is definitely in the “overrated” category right now. There’s already a bunch of people on the Haniger bandwagon and that’s with him owning a career 0.6 WAR. I’m not saying Haniger won’t be good (I’ve actually written before about how good I think Haniger could be), but people already thinking he’s a great player with zero track record is, by definition, overrating.
Pollock was “underrated” because he had already put up strong seasons but people either don’t know about him or were still writing him off. That is not what’s going on with Haniger, at all.
By definition? The talk concerning Haniger is speculation–positive speculation–because he’s just getting his feet wet, and a lot of the things you want to see carry over, have, in the early going.
He came at a fair price, in my opinion anyway, so I fail to see how he’s overrated. He certainly isn’t being hyped like Benintendi, De Leon, Crawford, Moncada, Swanson, Reyes, etc.. People here took a harder look when the Mariners acquired him, liked what they learned, and the general belief is that he’ll prove to be a solid player.
The fact that it took so long for people to realize what he was doing last season doessuggests he was being overlooked. Not a stretch to think he might actually have been underrated as a prospect. Keyword: prospect.
“We’d all be more comfortable if Pollock were just a healthy Pollock all of the time.”
I found myself humorously uncomfortable while reading this sentence.
You have company!
Bill Freehan,most underrated.
Ooops,50yrs too late,sorry Bill.
funny that the Pollock/Haniger/Segura comprisons come up. they all benefited from play in AZ. I believe in AJ, but taking a pass on the Haniger train.
So take a look at their road numbers and how Haniger performed in AA and AAA.
PCL is well known for a hitters league. His slugging % up 200 pts from AA time at Mobile. I liked his chances in AZ, but Seattle is a different situation.
“one of the greats” after one solid year. I do hope so because Goldy is on my team… yippy skippy!!
“Goldy is on my team”…trying to start another debate?
debate? now why would anyone want to do that.
“A.J. Pollock is 29, which is too young to be aging.”
Memo from Andrew McCutchen and Carlos Gomez: Center fielders tend to peak younger than most.
Average of top 100 bWAR years by CF since 1920:
— Age 26, 5.0
— Age 27, 4.9
— Age 28, 4.5
— Age 29, 4.2
— Age 30, 3.7
— Age 31, 3.4
Number of CFs with at least 6 bWAR:
— 25 at age 27
— 15 at age 29
— 8 at age 31
Those 25 who scored 6 bWAR at 27 averaged 7.4 at 27, 5.0 at 28 and 4.8 at 29.
Even if Pollock’s elbow is fully healed, we should expect him never again to be as great as he was at 27.
Thanks, Mr. Autin, for helping to articulate my hatred of the lengthy & expensive Dexter Fowler signing for St. Louis. Worst inking since Oedipus got “Mother” tattooed on his bicep.
I tried to test the notion that “the injury Pollock sustained shouldn’t have a lasting impact,” and quite frankly I expected to find cause for doubt. But I didn’t.
Within my limited study — position players from 1995-2014 who had any star-caliber year from age 25-28 — those who missed at least half a season right after such year performed almost the same in years 1 and 2 after the injury as did the control group.
There were 22 players in the injured group. Best-case scenarios included Junior Griffey, Dustin Pedroia, Nomar Garciaparra and Evan Longoria, who all topped 6 bWAR right after missing at least half a season. The worst outcome among well-established stars was Ryan Braun, who’s scored 1.0, 3.8 and 4.4 WAR since his injury, never approaching his peak value.