The Orioles Might Have a Decision to Make
History dictates that a single month of baseball — say, 20 or 30 games — isn’t sufficient to reveal which teams are legitimate playoff contenders and which aren’t. In some cases, a club jumps out to a hot start only to fade away as the season continues. This was the case both for the Chicago White Sox and the Philadelphia Phillies last year. Other teams might follow an arc more like the Texas Rangers in 2015, starting off slowly only to pick up speed by the end of the season. As such, it’s generally wise to refrain from reaching any strong conclusions about the standings in early May.
That being said, I’ll be paying especially close attention to the Baltimore Orioles at the beginning of the 2017 season. The team could find themselves at a crossroads this year if contention seems unlikely, which could lead to one of the more interesting sell-offs in recent times.
An initial glance at the Orioles roster might not reveal a team that’s primed to sell. Teams with a collection of free agents (like Kansas City) or in the midst of a rebuild (like a number of teams) would seem to provide better trading partners than Baltimore. Here are the Orioles’ pending free agents at the end of the 2017 season.
| Name | Age | Projected WAR | 2017 Salary |
|---|---|---|---|
| Welington Castillo | 30 | 1.7 | $6.0 M |
| Chris Tillman | 29 | 1.5 | $10.1 M |
| Ubaldo Jimenez | 33 | 1.4 | $13.5 M |
| J.J. Hardy | 34 | 1.3 | $14.0 M |
| Seth Smith | 34 | 1.3 | $7.0 M |
| Hyun Soo Kim | 29 | 1.1 | $4.2 M |
| TOTAL | 8.3 | $54.8 M |
So that’s not really a lot to sell at the deadline. We don’t see a single player even projected to provide average production over the course of next season. The best might be Welington Castillo. Given that he was just signed for $6 million, however — and holds a player option for $7 million — it wouldn’t seem that his trade value would be quite high. Hardy is a glove-first shortstop while Smith and Kim are part-time bats. Jimenez would have to undergo a pretty big rebound to have decent value. That leaves Tillman as the only real potential trade chip.
However, if the Baltimore is out of contention in a few months, they’ll need to make some major decisions on whether it’s time to rebuild. The players above are fairly easily replaceable for 2018 given the money they are currently earning. The Orioles top prospect, Chance Sisco, can probably assume Castillo’s duties after the latter is gone, and Trey Mancini should be able to provide at least average production with the bat, even if his glove doesn’t provide much. With the the money coming off the books, the team could go out and sign two of the best starting pitchers in what’s shaping up to be a very good class next winter.
If you took the above group off the Orioles, replaced two positions with younger players and the two pitchers with serious upgrades, the Orioles could easily contend in 2018 even if they fared poorly this season. Signing free-agent pitchers to massive contracts isn’t generally a plan that works in the long term, however. The employment of such a plan might cause the 2018 Orioles to resemble a more expensive version of the 2017 Royals, and render future Orioles clubs similar to the current iteration of the Detroit Tigers.
And this is where things become important. Consider the players who are signed through 2018 and who could become free agents after two more seasons with the Orioles.
| Name | Age | Projected WAR | 2018 Projected Salary |
|---|---|---|---|
| Manny Machado | 24 | 6.3 | $17.0 M |
| Adam Jones | 31 | 2.3 | $17.3 M |
| Wade Miley | 30 | 1.8 | $12.0 M |
| Zach Britton | 29 | 2.1 | $17.0 M |
| TOTAL | 12.5 | $63.3 M |
This group is considerably more impressive than the one composed of players currently in the last year of their contracts. Here we find one of the very best players in baseball — maybe the best in the non-Mike Trout division — the best Orioles player in the last decade, one of the very best closers in the game, and a close to average starting pitcher. These four players represent roughly one-third of the Orioles’ projected WAR in 2017, with Chris Davis (2.5) and Kevin Gausman (3.1) representing the only other players who receive above-average projections. The Orioles could take this group, make a few major free-agent signings, and attempt to contend in 2018. Alternatively, they could try to accelerate their rebuilding process.
Last season, the Yankees got a haul for Aroldis Chapman and Andrew Miller, and there’s little reason to think that Zach Britton would be worth any less if he continues to pitch well this season. Miley is a nice starter to have, but if he’s pitching reasonably well he will have some trade value. Brad Brach could be added to this group in a bullpen selloff, as could Darren O’Day, though he’s signed through 2019. Adam Jones has a no-trade clause, but if the Orioles intended not to compete in 2018, he might reconsider. Then there’s Machado.
Back in July, Dave Cameron said Machado’s trade value ranked 11th in all of baseball, citing his ability to hit free agency after 2018 as the only thing feature keeping him out of the top 10. He’s likely to be worth slightly less than that at the trade deadline this year, given that a year has gone by. That said, even one-and-a-half years of Manny Machado, baseball superstar is going to net a huge return. He might not net Chris Sale’s return, but that package isn’t too far off — if it’s off at all. If the Orioles sell at the deadline, they could head into 2018 with payroll commitments equaling roughly half the $160 million that they have devoted to this year’s payroll, a high draft choice, and four to six new very good prospects who could help them contend by 2019.
They could hold onto Kevin Gausman if they wished. They wouldn’t have to deplete the farm system, and if they wanted to, they could sign any one (or two) of the major free agents after 2018, including their own Manny Machado. If the Orioles contend again this season, much of the above will be moot. There will be no reason to concede this year, and they will need the 2018 class to remain in contention. Then, they will have little choice but to go all-in for the 2018 season in Machado’s last season before free agency. If they’re out of contention, though, they will have to make a very difficult decision — not whether to punt 2017, which would already be gone at that point — but whether they want to sacrifice 2018 to have a better shot at contending in 2019 and beyond.
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Kind of feels like it depends on if they feel they can resign Machado. How much is he going to go for in 2018? 300M over 10?
The Yanks think your 10/$300 offer is adorable.
The Yankees have never offered a contract that large to anyone. That’s big even for them and it might be too much for Machado
They gave a 32-year old A-Rod 10/$275 a decade ago. We’re gonna be talking about 10/$500 for a 26-year old Machado.
Thinking he gets 12/400 or 33.3 per year.
That’s not how things work. Rodriguez shattered the contract records and since then things haveonly incrementally hone upwards.
Nobody is getting a 12 year contract. Probably ever. And nobody is getting 40 per year before somebody gets 37.
The next mega contract will probably be 10/375. Perhaps if Harper has an absurd 2 years he’ll get 10/400.
The arod contracr wasn’t precedent setting. It remained an outlier for 7 years until he signed another outlier.
“Nobody is getting a 12 year contract. Probably ever.”
Giancarlo Stanton’s 13/$325 (signed two years ago) says that you are not correct.
Stanton’s contract is actually a decrease per year after ARod’s, and it came 10 years after his. So on a certain level it’s evidence of deflation of elite player salaries in baseball rather than inflation. That said Stanton is not on ARod’s level. ARod looks to have been worth his contract more or less, while the Stanton contract — even though it’s less than ARod’s per year even 10 years later — looks to be a mistake for the Marlins.
Agreed, except perhaps Mike Trout could get that next outlier deal. Baseball players are valued differently now than when ARod got his deal, and the baseball business model will be more under threat over the next few years.
Whoops, I forgot about ARod. Time flies. But ARod — along with Pujols — was considered the best player in the game at that time. Machado is not really in that league. Machado is more in Adrian Beltre’s league, though I grant he is preceived to be more elite. But the kind of inflation you’re predicting just isn’t there anymore. If it were then Mike Stanton would have gotten that kind of money more than Machado. And even Stanton’s contract now looks like a big mistake, as does Pujols’ and Miguel Cabrera’s. Mike Trout is the one player that might get $50 million a year when he’s a free agent. Even then he might not get 10 years. Well run teams are realizing they don’t have to give out mega contracts to win a World Series; in fact the huge contracts might be holding them back from competing
Haha wow, somebody has never heard of Alex Rodriguez
Any article that suggests the Orioles might be wise to trade Machado must feel biased to Orioles fans. If Miami can hand Stanton a $325mil contract, even one so egregiously backloaded as that one, I have to feel like Baltimore can and will re-sign Machado or risk losing their entire fanbase to the Nationals once and for all.
Uh, the people who were going to become Nationals fans have already jumped ship. It’s been like 12 years. I don’t think many people are going to be switching to the Nationals in the future.
It’s too bad the Nationals will be losing Harper at the same time.
You are obviously unfamiliar with the sentiments of Baltimoreans. Despite proximity, DC and Baltimore mostly do not see each other as connected parts of one big metroplex. O’s fans would no more switch to the Nats after a couple bad seasons than they would to the Cubs or Dodgers.
Real fans root for the team not the player. Miami was stupid to sign Stanton to a contract that big. Baltimore might be nearly as dumb to sign Machado to one that big too. Massive contracts don’t win teams — especially small and mid market teams — the World Series. Kansas City, St. Louis and San Francisco have all proved this. Even the Cubs don’t have a player with a contract anywhere near that size.
San Francisco is in the 6th-biggest television market in the country, and has a payroll…
2010 – 9th
2011 – 8th
2012 – 7th
2013 – 8th
2014 – 6th
2015 – 4th
2016 – 6th
…to match.
You sidestepped my point. Name one player on the Giants that has a contract near the size of Stanton’s or the one you’re predicting Machado will get? Even Buster Posey’s contract — 8 years for $159 million — is nowhere near that size. The one player that made that kind of money (relative to other player contracts of the day) with the Giants was a guy named Barry Bonds — a superstar the team didn’t even need to win its first World Series in over 60 years.
When St. Louis lost Pujols, I shrugged my shoulders and wished him well. St. Louis made a reasonable offer, and he took a better one. Most rational fans will do the same for any star level player, particularly if their home team offers a reasonable contract to the guy.
Normally I would agree with you, however, I lived most of my life in Baltimore and felt the disgust O’s fans have for Oriole owner Angelos and the front office. Plus the continued love fest all of Baltimore fans have with the Baltimore Ravens football team. In this case, I think many fans will walk away from the Orioles if they don’t make an honest attempt to resign Manny.
Assuming the O’s are decent but not that great in 2017, I’d be happier if they just traded him. He’s more valuable as a trade piece than he is a very talented but very overpaid player.
The shrugging of shoulders had much to do with Pujol’s age. We all know that it’s worked out fine for the Cardinals. Machado will be entering the prime of his career with his next FA contract.
I wouldn’t guess that Oriole’s Fan jumps ship at that point, but I would imagine most would and will be upset about the results.
I know this will never happen now, but I was just thinking today about who would say no to a Machado for Bregman swap? Astros get the immediate upgrade at third for the next two seasons, while the Orioles get 5 cost controlled seasons of Bregman. Machado is a little less valuable than he was at midseason when he ranked number 11 on Dave’s list, while Bregman is probably a little more valuable than he was when he was ranked 37. Maybe the Astros throw in a prospect, but that seems like a pretty even deal.
Not a bad suggestion. I think HOU would have to add 1 of their top prospects to make it work.
O’s say no. Machado has more certainty, and more star power. Bregman looks like a stud, but lots of guys go through a sophomore slump. If that trade went through, every casual O’s fan would lose their favorite player, while casual astros fans might not even know who Bregman is.
Franchises probably shouldn’t base trades like this on a fanbase losing their favorite players. They might be mad, but if you build a contender, they will come back
Astros say no. Would have traded him un a package for Sale or Quintana if they had any doubts. Orioles probably say no as well.
I like this idea, but I wonder if the only teams that would be willing to trade for Machado (and give fair value) would be teams that are confident of re-signing him.
I’m thinking Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox.. those kinds of teams. If Orioles are out of it at the deadline and the Yankees arrive a year early.. it would make sense to get Machado and give up quite a bit of that loaded farm to do so.
I can’t remember the Top 10 Trade Value guys, but Machado is definitely a Top 10; gonna be expensive but superb track record, young, and projections swoon.
Worth noting that Castillo has a player option for 2018 and that JJ Hardy has a vesting option (600 PAs) that will likely vest if he can stay healthy all season (big if, but possible).
I’m typing this from the future… and the Orioles beat their projections.
If either side lays out a 12 year/400M offer on the table right now, which one says no?
Hah just saw this. That’s my prediction for his contract.
Both because you never accept the first offer
Jimenez got traded for Smith
Was Gallardo for Smith
I have already assumed Manny will be gone but I think they trade him next off season for a young high OBP center fielder, move Jones to RF and re-sign him. They still compete and how far they go comes down to the same thing it does with Manny, starting pitching.
While this makes sense, Buck and Duquette are signed through 2018. Angelos is no spry chicken. I don’t see them selling off.
Angelos loves Manny and will try to re-sign him is what I’ve heard, but it’s risky business just getting a draft pick if he has other plans.
This just makes me wonder why streamer is projecting Tillman to have by far the worst full season in his career in terms of both FIP and xFIP
Me too, this caught my eye. In the four seasons since he’s been a full-time major league starter (in a hitter’s park, against AL East line-ups, on a contending team) he’s averaged 190 innings, a 1.28 WHIP, a K%-BB% hovering around 11%, and a 96 ERA-. He’s entering his age 29 season. Even by fWar he’s averaged slightly over 2 WAR/yr over that time. Looking at bWAR, it’s been 3 WAR/yr. He’s a good, consistent, not-old pitcher. Why is the projection so low?