The Orioles Ran Out of Time To Fix Craig Kimbrel

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Craig Kimbrel lost his job as the Orioles’ closer back in July due to his erratic performance. Now he’s out of a job completely. With just 11 games remaining in the regular season, the Orioles designated the 36-year-old righty for assignment on Wednesday, guaranteeing that he won’t be a participant in this year’s postseason, either for the playoff-bound Orioles or anyone else.

The decision came less than 24 hours after the worst outing of Kimbrel’s career. Called upon in the ninth inning of Tuesday night’s game with the Orioles trailing the Giants 4-0, Kimbrel struck out Patrick Bailey, but then all hell broke loose: a single, a steal, a wild pitch, a walk, a sacrifice bunt for which the throw home was too late, another walk, a strikeout, a two-run single, and an RBI double. After he departed, Matt Bowman yielded another two-run single, with both runs charged to Kimbrel’s ledger. It was the first time in 837 major league outings that he had allowed six runs; he’d never even allowed five before, but it was the eighth outing out of his last 11 in which Kimbrel was scored upon, raising his ERA to an unsightly 5.33.

On the one hand, this is a somewhat shocking turn of events for a player who made his ninth All-Star team just last season and plausibly could have this year as well. On the other hand, Kimbrel has been so ineffective lately that without his gaudy résumé — he’s fifth on the career saves list with 440, and may one day wind up in Cooperstown — and his big salary, he might have lost his roster spot awhile ago, particularly on a team whose bullpen has been a problem for months.

“We have so much respect for Craig and his career and what he’s done for the game, how long he’s pitched, how long he’s pitched well,” manager Brandon Hyde told reporters on Wednesday. “So it’s never easy to say goodbye to someone that’s done a lot. A heck of a first half for us, helped us win a ton of games. He’s an amazing teammate. He’s incredible in the clubhouse and just a class, class act.”

With closer Félix Bautista slated to miss the season after undergoing both Tommy John surgery and a follow-up ulnar nerve transposition and scar tissue cleanup, the Orioles signed Kimbrel to a one-year, $13 million contract in December, a deal that included performance bonuses as well as a $13 million club option for 2025, with a $1 million buyout. Baltimore represented Kimbrel’s fifth stop in four seasons; he pitched for the Cubs and White Sox in 2021, the Dodgers in ’22, and the Phillies last year. Throughout that nomadic run — and before that, dating back to his time with the Cubs (2019 to mid-2021) and Red Sox (2016–18) — he led something of a Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde existence, at times dominating opponents the way he did during his stellar run in Atlanta, but sometimes falling into bad habits mechanically. “Too rotational” is a phrase that has surfaced multiple times over the years to describe Kimbrel’s tendency to get out of whack. By getting down the mound too quickly instead of staying back, he has struggled with his release point and sacrificed deception, command, and unpredictability.

In 2019–20, a span during which Kimbrel threw just 36 innings due to a prolonged free agency and the pandemic, he posted a 6.00 ERA and 6.29 FIP. He bounced back to make the NL All-Star team in 2021, posting an 0.49 ERA and 1.01 FIP in 36 2/3 innings for the Cubs, but then a 5.09 ERA and 4.56 FIP after being traded to the White Sox on July 26. He put in serviceable seasons for the Dodgers and Phillies, combining for a 3.49 ERA and 3.54 FIP, but lost his closer’s job in Los Angeles in September 2022 and was left off the postseason roster. Last October, he was one of the goats as the Phillies were upset by the Diamondbacks, taking losses in Games 3 and 4 of the NLCS.

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Kimbrel began his tenure with the Orioles in inauspicious fashion, blowing a save but collecting a win against the Royals on Opening Day. He blew two more saves in April, but none in May and just one in June. On July 7, he converted his 16th save in 17 attempts since the start of May, and 23rd in 27 attempts overall, lowering his season ERA to 2.10 and his FIP to 2.47. To that point, he had been scored upon just twice in his past 22 games, with one of his two runs allowed (across a total of 21 innings) an unearned run, a Manfred man who scored the game-winner for the Blue Jays in the 10th frame on June 5.

After that July 7 save, Kimbrel didn’t pitch again for a week, and when he did, the bottom began to drop out. Protecting a one-run lead against the Yankees at Camden Yards on July 14, he began the ninth by waking Trent Grisham and Oswaldo Cabrera, the Yankees’ eighth and ninth hitters, then served up a three-run homer to rookie Ben Rice. The Orioles got him off the hook with a three-run ninth against Clay Holmes. The decision had been made before that sad Sunday, but Holmes, who finished the first half with a 2.77 ERA and 2.74 FIP, made the AL All-Star team, while Kimbrel, who had a 2.80 ERA and 2.97 FIP by the end of that outing, did not. Just sayin’.

Kimbrel threw a scoreless inning in his next outing, against the Rangers on July 20, but he was scored upon in his subsequent three games, blowing another save and taking a loss as well. He didn’t get another save chance, as the Orioles traded for Seranthony Domínguez, his former Phillies teammate, on July 26. In fact, Kimbrel rarely got another high-leverage opportunity — just three of his final 15 appearances had a leverage index over 0.41, and one of those was 0.88.

Even in mostly low-leverage situations, Kimbrel didn’t perform up to major league standards. Across his 18 innings from July 14 onward, he was lit for an 11.50 ERA with a 7.45 FIP. He allowed five home runs in that span, walking 17.5% of hitters while striking out 21.6%. It was uncomfortable to witness, even when he pitched in games that had more or less been decided.

Overall, Kimbrel’s 4.18 FIP and 4.24 xERA suggest that he’s pitched better than that 5.33 ERA. He’s struck out 31.5% of batters, but he’s walked 13.4%, a mark he exceeded in both 2016 and ’20 (small sample alert). That said, his 54.3% first-pitch strike rate, 24.1% chase rate, and 11.8% swinging strike rate are his lowest marks for any season in which he’s thrown more than 21 innings. Looking to Statcast, his velocity loss particularly stands out. His four-seam fastball has averaged just 93.9 mph, down about two miles per hour from last year, and fading further as the season has gone on, with his results predictably going south as well:

The Decline of Craig Kimbrel’s Four-Seam Fastball
Period Velo PA AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA EV Whiff
2022 95.8 170 .259 .199 .408 .345 .338 .293 88.9 23.4%
2023 95.8 190 .185 .185 .346 .345 .286 .293 91.4 30.6%
2024 93.9 167 .203 .213 .421 .411 .339 .340 92.2 28.9%
April 93.9 37 .207 .245 .379 .423 .326 .352 90.7 34.2%
May 94.6 26 .091 .154 .227 .382 .220 .296 92.9 31.6%
June 94.5 28 .174 .185 .217 .227 .262 .270 91.2 25.8%
July 93.6 33 .192 .201 .462 .460 .362 .363 93.1 25.4%
August 92.9 28 .273 .304 .727 .627 .451 .433 96.3 28.6%
September 93.4 15 .364 .147 .636 .275 .477 .286 85.6 25.0%

The lower velocity cost Kimbrel about an inch of horizontal break relative to last year, in exchange for an inch of vertical break, and both of our pitch modeling systems capture the decline, both from year to year and in-season. Here’s a look at Kimbrel via Stuff+:

Craig Kimbrel, Stuff+
Period FA KC Stuff+ Location+ Pitching+
2022 116 112 115 102 104
2023 125 126 125 102 114
2024 – Through July 7 114 121 116 99 104
2024 – Since July 8 103 113 106 91 97

Note the huge falloffs in Location+ and Pitching+, as well as the overall grade. From last year to the latter half of this season, that’s about one full standard deviation of decline in Stuff+, and two standard deviations of decline in Location+ and Pitching+.

Kimbrel’s other main pitch, his knuckle curve, didn’t fall off as drastically as his fastball. Batters have hit the pitch for a decent .261 average, but he’s limited them to a meager .283 slugging percentage and a .252 wOBA with it, to go along with a 34.8% whiff rate. Those numbers aren’t quite as good as they were last year (.219 wOBA, 38.8%), but they’re more than serviceable. The problem is that from July onward, batters slugged .593 with a .416 wOBA against the fastball and slugged .385 with a .335 wOBA against the knuckle curve, leaving him without an effective weapon in what has basically been a two-pitch arsenal. He did have some success with a sweeper, throwing it 5.1% of the time overall and inducing a .114 wOBA and 44.4% whiff rate, but the pitch — which he generally threw to righties — all but disappeared from his repertoire in August and September.

The Orioles ran out of time to fix Kimbrel, and they’ve had myriad other problems to confront as they look to October, whether they rally to erase their current five-game deficit in the AL East or hold onto the top Wild Card spot. The O’s have gone just 31-37 since July 1, and haven’t posted a winning record in any calendar month since then. From July 1 through Tuesday, their bullpen was lit for a 4.94 ERA, fourth worst in the majors, with four relievers in addition to Kimbrel throwing at least 10 innings with ERAs above 5.00: Bryan Baker (5.73 in 11 innings), Burch Smith (5.74 in 26 2/3 innings), Gregory Soto (16.59 in 13 2/3 innings), and the since-departed Cole Irvin (8.50 in 18 innings). Domínguez hasn’t been great (3.26 ERA, 5.14 FIP), but Yennier Cano, Keegan Akin, and Cionel Pérez have been pretty good. The right-handed Cano and the left-handed Pérez are the top setup men, generally available for the occasional save chance based on matchups or if Domínguez is unavailable, though Cano has apparently been dealing with forearm tightness and wasn’t available in Wednesday’s loss to the Giants. The rotation, which has dealt with the losses of Kyle Bradish, John Means, and Tyler Wells to UCL-related surgeries, and Grayson Rodriguez to a lat strain, delivered just a 4.41 ERA (111 ERA-) and a 4.15 FIP (102 FIP-) from the start of July through Tuesday.

Yet the pitching hasn’t been the problem during this month’s 6-9 slide. Instead it’s been an offense that’s managing just an 89 wRC+ and 3.47 runs per game while missing the injured Ryan Mountcastle, Ramón Urías, and Jordan Westburg. “The testing of our depth, and a lot of depth we’ve lost, is not something I anticipated in this degree in the second half on the position player side,” executive vice president/general manager Mike Elias told reporters on Tuesday. “It’s turned out here that’s not necessarily been the crisis we were expecting in the second half, and we’ve been paying for it.”

As for Kimbrel, he’ll likely go unclaimed as he passes through waivers and then get released, leaving the Orioles on the hook for the remainder of his salary and his buyout. While I don’t think we’ve seen the last of him, we’ve probably seen the last of his big contracts.

As for whether this rough stretch will affect Kimbrel’s Hall of Fame chances, I hardly think the matter is as simple or the situation as dire as one writer suggested on Twitter while pointing out that Kimbrel’s 18-inning rough patch lowered his career ERA+ from 171 to 158. That current mark (off of a 2.59 ERA) is higher than seven of the eight Hall of Fame relievers: Hoyt Wilhelm (147), Trevor Hoffman (141), Bruce Sutter (136), Lee Smith (132), Goose Gossage (126), Rollie Fingers (120), and Dennis Eckersley (116, including his time as a starter). The rub is that each of those seven (and Mariano Rivera, the eighth) has pitched at least 232 1/3 innings more than Kimbrel (809 2/3), with some of those enshrinees having more than double his total. Even Billy Wagner, who’s on the doorstep of Cooperstown after getting 73.8% of the vote last year, threw 903 innings (with an elite 187 ERA+).

Kimbrel’s case — which like that of Wagner is driven by exceptional rate stats rather than volume — does have some things in his favor. His nine All-Star selections is tied with Gossage for second behind Rivera’s 13. His 38.8% strikeout rate is the highest of any pitcher with at least 800 innings, well ahead of the second-ranked Kenley Jansen (35.5%) and third-ranked Wagner (33.2%). Likewise, his .167 opponents batting average has supplanted Wagner (.184) for the lead at the 800-inning cutoff, with Jansen (.182) sneaking ahead of him as well. His postseason body of work isn’t particularly pretty (4.50 ERA with 10 saves in 30 innings), and his performance during the Red Sox’s 2018 championship run led to Alex Cora’s choosing Chris Sale to close out the World Series against the Dodgers, but his lone ring and modest postseason stats surpass Wagner’s postseason résumé.

Turning to my Reliever JAWS metric, here’s the top 25:

Top Relievers by R-JAWS
Rk Player WAR WPA WPA/LI R-JAWS
1 Mariano Rivera+ 56.3 56.6 33.6 48.8
2 Dennis Eckersley+ 62.1 30.8 25.8 39.6
3 Hoyt Wilhelm+ 46.8 30.4 26.3 34.3
4 Goose Gossage+ 41.1 32.5 14.8 29.5
5 Trevor Hoffman+ 28.0 34.2 19.3 27.1
6 Billy Wagner 27.7 29.1 17.9 24.9
7 Joe Nathan 26.7 30.6 15.8 24.4
8 Firpo Marberry 30.6 25.5 16.8 24.3
9 Tom Gordon 35.0 21.3 14.5 23.6
10 Kenley Jansen 21.9 28.8 17.2 22.6
11 Jonathan Papelbon 23.3 28.3 13.4 21.7
12 Ellis Kinder 28.9 23.8 11.7 21.5
13 Francisco Rodríguez 24.2 24.4 14.7 21.1
14 Lee Smith+ 28.9 21.3 12.7 21.0
15 Stu Miller 27.0 20.5 13.5 20.7
16 David Robertson 21.3 23.6 14.2 19.7
17 Craig Kimbrel 22.3 22.6 13.9 19.6
18 Tom Henke 22.9 21.3 13.9 19.4
19 Dan Quisenberry 24.6 20.7 12.5 19.3
20 Rollie Fingers+ 25.6 16.2 15.1 19.0
21 Tug McGraw 21.8 21.5 13.1 18.8
22 Bobby Shantz 34.6 10.4 10.1 18.4
23 John Hiller 30.4 14.6 9.4 18.1
24 Bruce Sutter+ 24.1 18.2 11.9 18.1
25 Aroldis Chapman 20.5 20.7 12.7 18.0
Hall avg w/Eckersley 39.1 30 19.9 29.7
Hall avg w/o Eckersley 35.8 29.9 19.1 28.3
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference
R-JAWS is the average of WAR, WPA, and WPA/LI.
+ = Hall of Famer

When I checked in last November while covering Wagner’s Hall of Fame case, Jansen ranked 14th, Kimbrel 15th, and Robertson 23rd. Jansen has had a solid season for the Red Sox (3.42 ERA, 3.04 FIP, 27 saves). He’s gained 1.7 points of R-JAWS, enough to vault him into the top 10; he’s also climbed from seventh in saves (420) to fourth (447). Though he’s notched just two saves to run his career total to a comparatively meager 177, Robertson has pitched well for Texas (3.22 ERA, 2.59 FIP), adding 1.6 points as well to jump seven places. Meanwhile, Kimbrel has lost 1.3 points due to his sub-zero bWAR (-1.2) and WPA (-2.3), costing him a couple spots in the rankings.

If Kimbrel were on the ballot today, I don’t think he’d be elected, but then Eckersley and Rivera have been the only relievers to gain entry on the first ballot; aside from Fingers (elected in his second year) and Hoffman (third year) it’s been a slog for most of the others. As with Wagner, who’s heading into his 10th and final year on the writers’ ballot, one facet of the candidacies of Kimbrel and Jansen that I expect will become more clear over time is the high attrition rate of their peers and the wave of stars that has followed them. Chapman, who has 330 saves, is almost certainly done as a full-time closer, and while Edwin Díaz and Josh Hader are more or less halfway to 400 saves (223 for the former, 196 for the latter), each has already endured lengthy bouts of ineffectiveness, hanging full-season ERAs above 5.00 — and they’re in just their age-30 seasons. It’s nearly impossible to remain a top-flight closer for, say, a decade, and a viable one for a decade and a half. It’s even harder, obviously, to do the same as a starter, and if you want to take umbrage over Wagner’s possible election while Mark Buehrle has yet to clear 11% percent of the vote, I get it, but that’s a beef for another day.

Again, I don’t think this will be the last we hear from Kimbrel, though the book on him is probably closed for this year, which could save all of us some agita as we watch him walk two guys and have to wriggle out of another jam. When he’s on, he still has the swing-and-miss stuff to nail down the ninth inning. Here’s hoping he finds it again.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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mariodegenzgz
1 year ago

This might be it for Kimbrel. What an interesting HOF case he will be in a few years, sorta like K-Rod but without being a piece of crap.

Last edited 1 year ago by mariodegenzgz
snapperMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Kimbrel isn’t remotely qualified for the HoF. Of course, neither was Hoffman, or Sutter.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  snapper

Nor any other reliever except Wilhelm and Rivera

inhighdefinitionMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Saves are overrated, man. “Closers” have like an 85% chance of protecting a 3-run lead or less in the 9th inning or later.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Kimbrel’s career is essentially a campaign ad for Billy Wagner.

Barney Coolio
1 year ago

I wish teams could have more than 28 players on their rosters in September. I liked seeing career minor leaguers get their shot in the bigs, or pinch runners being rostered. Before this recent change, Kimbrel would probably have just remained on the roster but not used.

catmanwayne
1 year ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Plus 28 is such a random number. Why not make it an even 30, or get really funny and just have your whole 40-man roster in the dugout?

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

They’re trying to limit ML roster time. Gotta save those pennies doncha know.

catmanwayne
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

I thought everybody on the 40-man made the MLB minimum salary. If they’re getting paid anyway, play them!

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

They get paid, but they don’t accrue roster time towards arbitration and free agency unless they are on the major league roster.

janis4hofMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

40 man players with mlb min contracts in the minors do not get paid the same as those on the active roster.
I do not remember the specific number, but it’s significantly less than the 740k min.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

It would be less of an issue with the three-batter rule, but oh man, games in September with a 14-man bullpen were just brutal.

Barney Coolio
1 year ago

I follow the Padres, so that was never an issue for me. It seems like the Yankees and Red Sox were the most likely to have an army of a bullpen in September. Now with the 3 batter rule and the pitch clock, having a lot of guys in the bullpen would matter a lot less.

EltnegMember since 2020
1 year ago

I remember seeing a pic of the Red Sox’s 17-man bullpen back when expanded rosters were still a thing. It looked more like a clown car than a baseball game.

John NortheyMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Eltneg

Some limits clearly were needed, but 28 – just 1 pitcher and 1 hitter – was a bit much of a cut from the old 40 man limit. Maybe expand to 30, or have the last 2 slots be able to be like hockey with a travel option where you allow 2 guys to go with the team and not be on the roster – take 2 into the game and 2 who can’t play, switch them as often as desired between games – all get service time.

John NortheyMember since 2020
1 year ago

Good point. With LOOGY’s and ROOGY’s galore managers like LaRussa destroyed MLB games for awhile. I love the idea of starter limits (6 IP/100 pitches/4 runs or hurt and if hurt on the IL automatically) and think they are needed for relievers (only pulled between innings unless allowed a run that inning, over 40 pitches total, or injured so no more letting a guy throw to the first batter of an inning then pulling him).

Paul-SF
1 year ago

Jay is one of my all-time favorite baseball writers for several reasons, but one of them is definitely the correct usage of “myriad.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

It feels like teams have been working hard to convince themselves that Kimbrel is back ever since he collapsed in 2019. But that just gave us a lot more opportunities to see how volatile he has become. It felt like every time someone told me about him it was because he had suddenly become good or bad (again).

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It really does drive home the difference between guys like Kimbrel, Papelbon, and Chapman, relative to a true Hall of Fame caliber reliever like Billy Wagner.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

And Darren O’Day

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Darren O’Day had a hell of a career, but he only threw 600 innings.

jdbolickMember since 2016
1 year ago

This entire season Kimbrel has been living on borrowed time, as his fastball velocity was substantially down. I am surprised that he remained effective for as long as he did.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago

It’s crazy how something like 9 appearances can change his career numbers so much

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

This is mostly because relievers don’t pitch very much. There are only a 29 pitchers between 1970 and 2024 that have more than a thousand innings pitched as relievers. But there are 500 pitchers who have pitched over a thousand innings as starters.

Craig Kimbrel has pitched about 810 innings in his career, that’s the 73rd most innings a pitcher has thrown as a reliever since 1970. He has been around for a long time but he has pitched (I think) the exact same number of innings as Corbin Burnes* has as a starter (as of Sept 19, 2024). He’s pitched about as much as Jack Flaherty and Zac Gallen as have starters. And Tommy Milone, too.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

Justice for Firpo Marberry. Of course Groucho was the breakout star, and Zeppo was the straight man, and Chico could do slow-witted and/or shady very well, and Harpo was quite the womanizer, but Firpo really was the glue that held the group together, AND had 15 starts and 15 saves in 1924 to boot!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Gummo was the genius behind the scenes

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
1 year ago

3 things stand out for me from that chart.

1) Mariano Rivera’s career is mind blowing.

2) bWAR(?)

3) Actually it’s super cool how closely WAR matches WPA for most closers on the list.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

bWAR includes leverage index for relievers, which explains quite a bit!

(Use RE24, dammit!)

szakylMember since 2024
1 year ago

fWAR uses leverage for relievers, too.
I believe the reason for bWAR is because Jay started JAWS with bWAR before he came to FanGraphs. Not sure if he ever considered switching or if it would make much of a difference.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  szakyl

I don’t think he has any plans to switch to pitching fWAR for HoF purposes, given what we know about pitcher impact on balls in play…which means he can’t switch it for batters, either.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

I am stunned to see so many advocating for even more than 28 players after September 1. It was understood that opening the rosters to 40 was the worst rule in any major sport and altered the rules of the game drastically during the crucial playoff race. A game like last night’s Red Sox game drives me crazy with a parade of 5 one inning relievers following Houck’s 4 inning start. With an unlimited roster and no three batter rule we might see 10 pitchers in such a game.

Barney Coolio
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I’m a Padres fan, and SD never had more than 5 or so additional callups.

Maybe allowing 40 is too many, but few teams ever approached that number. I think that allowing 5 additional callups is probably ideal.

janis4hofMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

It was really bad for the 3 batter minimum, created some real crowded box scores

marinmccoveysMember since 2026
1 year ago

If memory serves, Kimbrell similarly pumpkined last year. Maybe he should be signed to half-year contracts, because he has been successful recently in partial seasons!

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  marinmccoveys

He’s pumpkined once a year for like the past 5 years. It’s really strange.

John NortheyMember since 2020
1 year ago

Generally for relievers you need a good story, an amazing stat, or some other hook to get writers. Rivera – most saves/insane playoff record; Eckersley was clearly the best reliever of his era after a solid starting career; Wilhelm the first star reliever; Gossage – the Goose nickname, the look, the NY years – the stories were insane for him; Hoffman one of only 2 with 600 saves; Smith held the save record for a looong time; Fingers had the nickname, the save record, the rep; Sutter got the split finger as ‘his invention’ (OK, I find his HOF case silly, but writers made a story and ran with it).

Kimbrel has the K’s and not much else. 88.2% save conversion rate is very good, but not #1, same with 440 saves, 14.1 K/9 is WOW and #1 by a good margin for 800+ IP, but is #2 for 750 IP to scumbag Chapman. Go down to 350 IP and you get 3 more above him (Hader, Diaz, Betances). I have trouble seeing that getting him in anytime soon. Maybe if the 400 save guy vanishes and K’s go down in the near future (MLB is working on that, no idea how they’ll achieve it but you know they want to cut it down) then he might stand out again and get in via a Veteran Committee in 20+ years. But in the next decade or so? Nah. Too many roadblocks to his story standing out unless he gets a killer final kick – ie: cracks 500 saves, gets to 1000 IP with that high K rate, etc.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  John Northey

What nickname did Fingers have?

JuuuustAnotherBaseballFanMember since 2018
1 year ago

My guess is that Kimbrel ends up as a Marlin next season, functioning as a closer in a very low-pressure atmosphere, just to build up some numbers as well as trade/contract value for anyone who still wants him at this age.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

They wouldn’t pay much