The Overachieving Underachieving Blue Jays Juggernaut

As a counter to the idea that baseball is complicated and unpredictable: sometimes, baseball can seem ever so easy to understand. Not long ago, the Blue Jays traded for Troy Tulowitzki, perhaps or probably the very best shortstop. Shortly thereafter, the Jays also traded for David Price, easily one of the very best starting pitchers. Since Tulowitzki joined the lineup, the Jays have gone 11-1, and the one loss was a Tulowitzki day off. Over the weekend, the Jays pulled closer to the Yankees by sweeping them in their own stadium. Why wouldn’t that happen? Two superstars were added to what was already a pretty good club. Pretty good + superstars = even better! We’ve figured this game out.

The Jays have eaten up ground faster than anyone could’ve reasonably imagined. Sometimes there are concerns that adding pieces at the deadline can disrupt a clubhouse atmosphere, but all the lights are green in Toronto, and the probabilities that encouraged Alex Anthopoulos to act aggressively have only gotten significantly more positive, validating the moves that were made. The Jays are built to bludgeon, but they’ve also meaningfully improved the pitching staff, with everything clicking about perfectly at the moment. The question now needs to be asked: how good is this team? When a team’s on a winning streak, it’s almost impossible to imagine it losing. The Jays will lose, and they’ll do it several times. But is any other team positioned to lose less?

If you’re not in the mood to read very much, I can save you some time. The rest of the way, the Blue Jays are projected as the best team in the American League. Those projections can be interpreted as a pretty good measure of current ability level, so, the working hypothesis here is that there’s no one better in the AL. The Royals have the better record, and they made their own blockbuster additions, but the Blue Jays still seem stronger. You can believe that, or you can disagree with it, but you know where we’re almost obligated to stand. The Jays have played well; they should continue to play well. You can leave now, if you like.

But maybe you stuck around! In which case, let’s get to that headline. I’ve described the Blue Jays as both overachievers and underachievers. It doesn’t seem like they should both be able to apply at once, but I can explain. And then we can get into the juggernaut thing. It’s not just recency bias.

As far as the overachieving is concerned, countless people have pointed out the Blue Jays’ league-leading run differential. That’s not just something that’s happened lately — even before the big deadline moves, Toronto was running the best run differential in the AL, despite a roughly .500 record. This has been used as evidence that the Jays are, or were, far better than their record. They’ve scored 68 more runs than any other team.

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This gets a bit numbers-y, but to put it simply, the Jays probably haven’t been as good as their total number of runs scored. Run differential takes one step toward stripping away randomness that influences team record. There are still more steps you can take. As a team, the Jays have a 113 wRC+, which is excellent. The Dodgers are at 112. The Giants, 111. The Yankees, 109. It makes sense that the Jays would have a league-leading offense, but not quite by this margin.

A way to examine this: Toronto has a team 135 wRC+ with men on base. With the bases empty, it’s 97, meaning they have a 38-point gap. The league-average difference this year is seven points. In second place, the Twins and Padres are tied, at 23. The Jays have put hits together at the right times, and though one should always be hesitant to just chalk things up to luck, this split didn’t exist for Toronto a season ago. It’s probably mostly just noise. Which means Toronto “should have” scored fewer runs, in sum.

I’ll skip over further math, but based on good estimates, the Jays have overachieved by something like 0.3 runs per game. If you adjust their run differential appropriately — and then if you do the same for their pitchers — then they get worse by 21 runs. This is all looking back, not forward, but it does matter if you’re going to cite their run differential as a reason why they’re terrific. The run differential appears slightly misleading.

But, hey, funny thing — the Jays’ “corrected” run differential is +108. That’s according to BaseRuns. It’s still the best mark in baseball, by 10. At this writing, the Jays have baseball’s top BaseRuns record, and this is where the underachieving comes in. They’re about seven wins short of where they could be expected to be, given their overall performance. Deviation from BaseRuns record is almost always random. The raw run differential misleads, but only a little bit.

Think about this. Based on team performance so far, it could easily be argued that Toronto has been the AL’s top team. Based on the rest-of-season projections, it could easily be argued that Toronto is the AL’s top team. I know the Royals have the win total, but the Jays have the stronger statistics, and the roster that’s been built is relatively short on weaknesses.

You know the general overview. Ace starter fronting an otherwise mediocre group. Offense designed to make the rotation issues almost irrelevant. Down the stretch, there are 72 regulars projected for a wOBA of at least .330. The Blue Jays have five of them, more than any other AL team. There are 16 regulars projected for a wOBA of at least .360. The Blue Jays have three of them, more than any other baseball team. Jose Bautista, obviously, is tremendous. Ditto Edwin Encarnacion. Ditto Troy Tulowitzki, and Russell Martin, and Josh Donaldson. There’s nothing secretive about this lineup. They aren’t just quietly good, like San Francisco.

And it’s worth noting that, when healthy, Devon Travis seems quite a bit better than his projection. Justin Smoak and Chris Colabello make for a decent platoon. Ben Revere isn’t much of a hitter, but he makes an additional offensive contribution on the bases; Kevin Pillar isn’t much of a hitter, but he can field his position, so they’ll take the outs with the outs.

The lineup is simultaneously top-heavy and deep. You knew that. The rotation is top-heavy and thin. You knew that, too. There’s one more piece of the puzzle, and it’s probably getting a bit underrated. The Jays have successfully restructured their bullpen, and though no one thinks of it yet as a strength, there’s excellent reason to. Quietly, Toronto has worked to solidify the later innings, and this is a big reason why they should be thought of as a serious World Series contender.

They’ve added Mark Lowe. They’ve added LaTroy Hawkins. Aaron Sanchez is back in the bullpen. Toronto’s active roster features eight relievers, and here’s what they’ve combined to do as relievers in 2015, over 276 innings:

  • ERA-: 68
  • FIP-: 72
  • xFIP-: 75

Now, it’s not fair to compare the performance of a selected group to other overall performances, but just for the sake of reference, only two bullpens currently have a lower ERA-. No bullpen has a lower FIP-, and no bullpen has a lower xFIP-. As far as the latter two are concerned, no bullpen is close. Again, the direct comparison is unfair, but the point is that the group of relievers the Jays have at their disposal has collectively been terrific. Sanchez is back where he’s supposed to be. Lowe and Hawkins were important additions, lost in the cloud of everything else. The Jays have a lot of arms who can handle the later innings, and when you combine that with the offense and with the addition of Price, there’s a lot less pressure on the rest of the starters. They basically just have to avoid being terrible. Most pitchers in the majors can do that.

The lineup is at least as strong as anyone else’s. The rotation just added the biggest piece possible, and the bullpen has transitioned from unreliable to better than most. The Blue Jays haven’t lost in a while, which means it’s hard to picture them losing again. They’ll lose again, and they’ll maybe do it tonight. But every baseball team loses. There aren’t many baseball teams who look like they’re going to lose less often than this one. If it’s possible to have a second-place juggernaut, that’s what Alex Anthopoulos has put together. Which is why they might not be in second place for long.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Josh
10 years ago

Please stop this erection has been going on for 2 weeks send help pls

Paul Kasiński
10 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Classic American reaction to something in Canada actually getting U.S. media coverage.

Some Guy
10 years ago
Reply to  Paul Kasiński

Read more like excitement than complaining to me.

prankmunky
10 years ago
Reply to  Paul Kasiński

You clearly misinterpreted his positive comment.

jevant
10 years ago

So…it’s ok to be a “beer league team north of the border”? Nice.

Kyle
10 years ago

Did someone lower my desk while I was zoned in on this article? Hmmpphhhhhh

jose
10 years ago

I wonder what their window looks like.
Price is leaving after the season.
They will obviously pick up EE and JB options.
Donaldson is a steal for 4 more years, Tulo could become a steal IF he stays healthy. Martin and Travis figure to be pretty good too.
Maybe Pompey and Pentecost become what they can be.

They could use some pitching help, Stroman is obviously there, but whats after him? Ozuna and Sanchez could be great starters but weaken the bullpen if they leave, Norris is gone, Hoffman and Castro too, Hutchinson could be a solid option.

Things could go well, but the future is too dependent on prospects.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that this is probably the time to spend some money.

Josh
10 years ago
Reply to  jose

A lot of money will be coming off the books in 2016 so they could use that to retool the rotation.

Rotation depth is a concern though, as we really don’t have anyone knocking on the door like Norris was in 2015. Everyone is a year away. Perhaps we will have to ship off our premium offensive minor league talent to retool that area.

Shawnthemon
10 years ago
Reply to  jose

Jays have 10th highest payroll,they are spending money. With that, lots of money coming off the books at the end of this year that can be used for pitching, especially if they make a playoff run. The problem has always been convincing players to come to Toronto.

Also, before someone mentions the Canadian dollar, Rogers isn’t dumb, they have plenty of USD.

Grant
10 years ago
Reply to  Shawnthemon

I’m almost certain that the Jays players get paid in USD so its actually beneficial for players to be in Toronto right now.
I know 100% that Raptors get paid in USD, so its more about leaving america than anything else.

pft
10 years ago
Reply to  Grant

Most players will spend no more than 90 days in Toronto. The rest of the time on the road, spring training, or their real home in the offseason. The taxes paid in Toronto can be deducted from US taxes due to tax treaties. So all in all, the impact on players due to exchange rates or taxes is minimal

triple-A city
10 years ago
Reply to  Grant

But they can’t bring their pit bulls 🙁

brock
10 years ago
Reply to  jose

It’s not unreasonable to picture Rogers upping payroll 20m-30m and Having Price, Stroman, Dickey, Estrada and Buehrle if he doesn’t retire or Hutch rounding things out.

TV ratings (national broadcasts owned by the Jays) are over double the next closest team by viewers (yankees) and if you took the attendance since the trades started happening they’d be around 5th in the MLB so conservatively call them 5-10th over a whole season.

Toronto is dying for a winner in this city and Rogers would be crazy not to make the investment needed to sustain it at least one more year before Bautista and EE’s contracts are up.

Ivan_Grushenko
10 years ago
Reply to  brock

Ya I’m having trouble finding a team that Price benefits more than the Jays. Maybe the Yankees but their lineup is filled with injury risks. Probably the Dodgers if Greinke leaves. But that combo of awesome lineup, excellent pen and merely adequate starters with no ace screams “keepPrice”.

Jose
10 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Just an obvious thing, but, if the Yanks sign Price they would be 2 Prices better off than the Jays.

Aaron
10 years ago
Reply to  jose

They have an option for dickey next year..seeing as how he’s on fire lately, they should pick it up. SancheZ/stroman and ozuna are expected to be in the rotation..they can sign a FA with the money coming off the books next year (approx. 40 mil i believe..22/buhrle..7 mil/romero..5 mil navarro..plus estrada, etc)
Who knows maybe price will resign if the jays offer enough and win this year

Aramang
10 years ago

One point about the pitching staff – Dickey has been on fire for 2+ months. It’s probably noise, but if he keeps it up, all of a sudden the top of the rotation could actually be a strength!

Unrefrigerated Philadelphia Quail
10 years ago
Reply to  Aramang

Pat Burrell’s dickey was always on fire.

Mark
10 years ago

Question regarding hitting with runners on base-is it possible that the Jays are actually better in clutch situations with the guys in their lineup?

Or, maybe, they mash pitchers hitting out of the stretch?

Sign stealing (Runners on 2B)?

As a Jays fan, I wonder about these things. They really seem to be able to elevate their play with men on base.

Ivan_Grushenko
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Has there ever been a study of what kind of hitters benefit more from having RISP? Guess hitters? Outside hitters? Breaking ball hitters?

bmarkham
10 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It’s just randomness. See the 2013 Cardinals, as well as those player’s success (or lack there of) with RISP in the surrounding years.

Scott
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

This is not your older brother’s 2013 or 2014 Blue Jays.

CM52
10 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Or it’s just variance. Why didn’t the same players elevate their player with runners on last year then?

Rob
10 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Although it probably amounts to only a very small increase in wRC+ with runners in scoring position, there is some merit to the sign stealing discussion. There was a good breakdown of Devon Travis in a Community article showing what appears to be learning the signs from second base and relaying that to the hitter through clapping and other hand motions. I read an article on SB Nation (can’t find it atm) that looked at a number of Jays hitters using hand signals when leading off second in a variety of games. Although many teams probably do this, they seem to be the most blatant at it and all their hitters seem to make it a priority.

Incidentally, the Jays were also the team to tell Seattle after they left after their last series of the season against them that Fernando Rodney was tipping his pitches by changing his glove position for the changeup. Nice little piece of gamesmanship by making it harder for all of Seattle’s remaining opponents, especially Toronto’s competition for the playoffs.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

Some Royals players made similar allegations about Toronto players relaying signs during their recent feud.

Stond Jays Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  Rob

Who cares? Change your signs then. Stealing signs is part of baseball, that’s why they multiple sets of signs.

Danny MiddaughMember since 2023
10 years ago

The bullpen numbers look better too if you take out Loup, whose probably the odd man out once they get a 4th outfielder.

With Loup out and just a 7 man pen it’s:
ERA- 59
FIP- 69
xFIP- 76

Godfrey Wang
10 years ago
Reply to  Danny Middaugh

I think they’ll want a LOOGY and at least two lefties in the ‘pen. Schultz is probably the odd man out imo.

Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Danny Middaugh

I would imagine that Schultz is the odd man out. He’s been better than Loup, but you don’t want to leave Cecil as the only LH arm. You’ve still got 5 capable RH arms in Osuna, Hendriks, Lowe, Hawkins and Sanchez, so Loup does have some value as a LOOGY. And used strictly as a LOOGY, he’s been great. It’s just that he has really, really struggled vs RHB.

Danny MiddaughMember since 2023
10 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I just don’t see the point of pulling any of those guys to use Loup for one batter. They can all get lefties out.

Godfrey Wang
10 years ago

This doesn’t change the majority of the analysis going on here and I agree with most of the ideas being put forth, but I always find it a little strange that people cite their wRC+ in relation to the other top teams when it comes to rating offense, but fail to mention the gap in baserunning. Yes, the Jays and Dodgers are neck in neck at the plate. But Toronto has been a better baserunning team by over 20 runs. That’s not insignificant. The gap between them and the Giants is 9 runs. 5 between them and the Yankees.

Like I said, I agree with the larger ideas, including the Jays’ run differential being inflated. But while run differential makes the gap between them and second place look bigger than it is, just pointing to wRC+ is guilty of doing the same thing in the opposite direction.

Danny MiddaughMember since 2023
10 years ago
Reply to  Godfrey Wang

I believe baseruns takes it into account though, which is referenced in the article.

Godfrey Wang
10 years ago
Reply to  Danny Middaugh

It does and it is (which is why I said it doesn’t really change the analysis), but it’s a curious omission to me every time I see it. And this certainly isn’t the first time the Jays’ run differential being somewhat misleading has come up and these numbers have been used.

Paul Clarke
10 years ago
Reply to  Godfrey Wang

Another minor issue is comparing wRC+ and runs scored: wRC+ is park adjusted and runs scored, obviously, isn’t. If the Blue Jays, Giants, Dodgers and Yankees all have similar wRC+ levels then you should expect the Blue Jays to score more runs than the Giants and Dodgers, though the Yankees should be close.

Johnson
10 years ago

I don’t get people that are pessimistic on the future. It’s still a great core forward the next 2-3 years. Lots of money to throw at Price or someone else. Still have good prospects in the low minors. Lots of positive things can happen out of the blue.

Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Johnson

Everybody in this offence is guaranteed through 2016, and it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t extend Bautista/EE after 2016. The bullpen has a good starting point in Hendriks, Cecil & Shultz, and you can fill in around it depending on if Sanchez/Osuna are in the rotation.

The only question mark I have for 2016 is the rotation. As I assume it will be Stroman, Dickey, Hutch, but the last 2 spots could go to Sanchez, Osuna, FA or trade options as well. Not betting on a Price extension but that would erase any concerns one would have about the rotation.

But yeah I don’t think the Jays should be worried about the window closing. Donaldson/Tulo really help to extend the window a few years.

Alex
10 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think it’s likely that EE is not extended (well, maybe 1 year) after his option is up. They want to keep the DH spot for giving guys breaks every so often and Bautista can’t be in RF for all that much longer with his shoulder health.

triple-A city
10 years ago
Reply to  Alex

And to have Martin’s bat when he’s not catching

Orsulakfan
10 years ago

Estrada has been a very nice find for them – he’s been pitching well for a while now. Trading Reyes might have been addition by subtraction – I don’t think he was a winning player.

Still, I don’t think they’re as good as they look now, and they have several injury-prone players. Just under 2 months left.

Grant
10 years ago

I hope they don’t give up on Loup, his peripherals are elite.

K/9 – 10
BB/9 – 1.5
GB – 55%

That’s better than anyone in the Jays ‘pen, including Osuna and Cecil.

Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Grant

Against LH bats he’s awesome. Against RH bats…well…let’s not talk about that one. Loup has struggled a ton vs RH bats.

Grant
10 years ago
Reply to  Mark

He’s still striking out 9.27 and walking 2.42 against righties this year. No doubt he’s better as a specialist, but he’s not exactly useless against right handed batters.

Mark
10 years ago
Reply to  Grant

I’m aware of what his stats and FIP are, but I can assure you that in this specific year, he should not face a RHB again.

BMac
10 years ago
Reply to  Grant

I concur with Mark. Loup gets eaten alive by RHH. Those stats vs RHH must reflect how he does against RHH that are so bad he gets to face them.

To a fan,it isn’t a subtle thing. Against RHH, he falls behind in the count, nibbles around the strike zone, then lays it in there *BANG after being effective against previous LHH.

Uncle Mumbly
10 years ago

Its probably worth noting that the Jays have been bludgeoning people are home. On the road…..not so much (127 wRC+ at home 99 on the road).

At Rogers Centre they are beasts. On the road though they are pretty much the same as the Yankee/Royals (Yankees 101 wRC+ on the road, Royals 95, . And this win streak has not surprisingly been built at home. 37 runs scored at home in the past 6 games, 10 runs in 3 games on the road.

of course they still won those 3 road games so……

Baron Samedi
10 years ago

I CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT

Ugh
10 years ago

Am I missing something? Are jokes about being erect supposed to be entertaining?

Mmhmm
10 years ago
Reply to  Ugh

What’s that I couldn’t hear you over the boner in my ear?

Ugh
10 years ago
Reply to  Mmhmm

Sadly, that response is actually slightly more creative than the multiple ‘har har I have an erection now’ comments above

Damaso
10 years ago

A few things to add:

1. “Ace starter fronting an otherwise mediocre group”

There is a solid argument to be made that the underrating of both Buehrle and Dickey by FIP is one of the biggest reasons fangraphs underrates the Jays overall. Over the last 5yrs, Buehrle’s era- has come in a good 10 points lower than his fip-. And there are good reasons (mostly his defense) why this looks sustainable. For dickey, the gap is even bigger – over the past 5yrs his era- beats his fip- by a good 15 points. And as a knuckleballer, this is no surprise

So there is a very good reason to believe that ra/9-war is a much more accurate gauge of these two pitchers than fwar. And Buehrle ranks 26th mlb in ra/9war (i.e. very good #2 / borderline #1) while dickey ranks 40th (i.e. very good #3 / borderline #2).

If we believe ra/9war for these 2 pitchers is more accurate – then calling the jays’ rotation mediocre is just plain wrong. On the contrary, with high end #1, a high end #2, and a high end #3 on top of the rotation….and with 2 at least average and probably above average 4/5 types in estrada and hutch…..what were looking at here is nothing short of one of the very best starting rotations in baseball.

2. Fangraphs’ Active Roster stats feature probably encapsulates perfectly what you were trying to say about their bullpen. Toronto’s active bullpen ranks 2nd in war only to NYY’s this year. They are quite simply an elite bullpen, full stop.

3. Here’s how the Jays’ Active Roster ranks in every area:

Offense: 111wrc+ (#2), 21.9fwar (#2)
Rotation: 10.6fwar (#10), 12.5ra/9war (#5)
Bullpen: 4.5fwar (#2), 6.5ra/9war (#4)

So in terms of what the jays’ current roster has done this year, they have an elite group os position players and an elite bullpen by any measure. As for the rotation it is at least a good well above average rotation by fwar…..but if you believe that buehrle and dickey are underrated by fip, then even their rotation is borderline elite as well.

4. Marcus Stroman is coming back.

Houdani
10 years ago
Reply to  Damaso

If he can make it back this season,Marcus gives them 2 aces a knuckleballer, and a Rembrandt. Pretty formidable 4some!!!!

defected to Canada
10 years ago

“Sanchez is back where he’s supposed to be.”

This needed to be said.

They’d be better served moving Osuna to the rotation and sliding Sanchez into the closer spot than keeping Osuna at closer long-term and trying Sanchez as a starter again. Aaron’s got a ginormous walk rate as a starter (even in the minors), but it shrinks down to under 3 as a reliever.

StroShow
10 years ago

Cmon – Sanchez looked to finally be putting it together his last 4 starts before he got hurt. He cut the walks down to league average which had been his achilles heal. Hes way to good to be down in the pen long term.

Oh and something few seem to be talking about – STROMAN IS GOING TO PITCH THIS YEAR

BMac
10 years ago

Osuna LOVES closing. He is a different pitcher in the 9th. He should be a starter, but so should Chapman.

I think his youth will allow the Jays to leave him as a reliever until he gets a bit older and accumulates more stamina. I figured the Jays would move Sanchez to the bullpen to limit his innings, and the same goes for Osuna for next year.

And Osuna, if you are reading this, consider the payday that Price will get relative to Chapman. Starters on the free agent market can buy small countries with their signing bonuses.

Shirtless George Brett
10 years ago

Sanchez also has inhumanly low BABIP numbers as a reliever. So I wouldn’t get too excited about his relief career just yet. He most likely isn’t going to post sub .200 BABIP routinely like he has so far.

Damaso
10 years ago

true, but remember that maintaining very low babips is a little more common for relievers (betances, miller, davis for example) than starters, so there’s not as much reason to assume massive correction there.

Houdani
10 years ago

When it’s Hutch’s turn,why not let someone from the pen pitch the 1st inning,then bring him on in the 2nd,and let him go from there? He seem’s overly amped early. Just my opinion.

StroShow
10 years ago
Reply to  Houdani

They are flipping Buerhle and Dickeys starts so they can just flat out skip Hutch’s next start. Also allows Buerhle to miss the Yanks (who kill him for whatever random reason) and gives Dickey another shot at them !

BMac
10 years ago
Reply to  StroShow

Dickey seems to mess up their swing for days after. They still can’t hit tonight versus Cleveland (4 R in 16 innings, and Shaw pretty much gave them 2 of those).

triple-A city
10 years ago
Reply to  Houdani

They should send out a fake batter during his warmup pitches so when the game starts he thinks it’s the second inning.