The Padres Have a First Base Problem

Two years ago, the rebuilding San Diego Padres made a big free agent splash, signing first baseman Eric Hosmer, late of the Kansas City Royals, to a five-year, $105 million contract. If Hosmer decided not to exercise his opt-out clause after the fifth year, the contract would become an eight-year, $144 million pact, then the largest deal signed in the history of the San Diego Padres.

The argument against the Hosmer signing was pretty simple: Eric Hosmer wasn’t very good. Among first basemen from 2011-2017, the years since Hosmer’s rookie season, he ranked just 17th in WAR. When a rate stat like wRC+ is used, Hosmer drops to 26th among first basemen with 1000 plate appearances:

Top 20 First Basemen by WAR, 2011-2017
Rank Player AVG OBP SLG wRC+ WAR
1 Joey Votto .313 .440 .533 161 37.1
2 Miguel Cabrera .321 .403 .554 158 36.9
3 Paul Goldschmidt .299 .399 .532 144 31.1
4 Freddie Freeman .291 .377 .497 137 25.5
5 Edwin Encarnación .270 .365 .527 140 23.7
6 Anthony Rizzo .268 .368 .487 131 22.3
7 Adrian Gonzalez .292 .352 .471 124 18.4
8 Chris Davis .245 .334 .498 123 17.6
9 Brandon Belt .268 .358 .461 127 17.5
10 Joe Mauer .291 .376 .408 114 17.2
11 Jose Abreu .301 .359 .524 139 14.8
12 Carlos Santana .249 .363 .445 122 13.0
13 Ryan Zimmerman .272 .334 .469 115 12.7
14 Prince Fielder .286 .379 .475 129 12.2
15 Albert Pujols .267 .325 .470 117 10.9
16 Mike Napoli .243 .346 .470 118 10.5
17 Eric Hosmer .284 .342 .439 111 10.4
18 Mark Teixeira .234 .327 .455 112 9.4
19 Brandon Moss .236 .317 .470 114 8.5
20 Lucas Duda .243 .342 .458 122 8.3

The opt-out only complicated matters, resulting in a contract projected to span eight years in most of the scenarios when the Padres would hope it would last five, and the reverse when the Padres felt the opposite. At the time of the signing, ZiPS evaluated San Diego’s deal as being worth $53 million more than the system would offer Hosmer over eight years. Using a model for the likelihood of a player opting out (an educated guess, as there are relatively few contracts like Hosmer’s) that ranged from 20% to 80% probability, ZiPS priced the consequences of the clause at $22 million. In other words, due to what amounts to three player options, ZiPS evaluated the contract as having the same result, in financial terms, as an eight-year, $166 million contract.

The best possible case for the signing was the one made by FanGraphs alum Mike Petriello. As the argument went, Padres first basemen were largely terrible and Hosmer was a significant upgrade, and even after the signing, the team’s payroll was still very low.

At least two years into the deal, it’s not looking good from the team’s standpoint. Hosmer broke his “good year, replacement level year” pattern in the worst possible way, putting up two sub-replacement seasons in San Diego. The leagues’ home run rate exploded, and Hosmer got left behind. Among the 114 hitters with 1000 plate appearances in 2018-2019, none hit grounders at the 58.2% rate that Hosmer did. Hitting grounders isn’t the end of the world, but successful players of this type typically compensate with other strengths, such as good plate discipline and a high BABIP resulting from those grounders. Christian Yelich is the best example of this; he’s a ground ball-heavy hitter, but one with a heavy walk rate and a career .358 BABIP. And even Yelich’s grounder percentage has declined almost every single year of his career.

Hosmer’s .315 BABIP pales in comparison and he’s never had a 10% walk rate season. His plate discipline went the wrong way in 2019 and he set a career-high in swing percentage (50%) while simultaneously establishing a new personal low in contact rate (73%).

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Now, with the Padres approaching contention, the presence of Hosmer has real consequences. In our depth charts, Padres first basemen (mostly Hosmer) are projected to rank 24th in the majors at the position. The only place on the team that registers as a larger problem by this methodology is right field:

Padres Depth Chart Position Ranks
Position Projected WAR MLB Rank
Right Field 0.5 30
First Base 0.6 24
Catcher 2.2 17
Center Field 2.2 16
Second Base 1.6 12
Starting Pitchers 14.2 10
Shortstop 4.1 8
Third Base 4.3 8
Left Field 3.2 3
Relief Pitchers 5.6 2

The situation in right may be worse, but there’s little reason to think the Padres would be resistant to an upgrade if the position resembled the internet’s favorite failure-icon, the flaming dumpster. Teams don’t tend to accept sunk costs easily and the fact that Hosmer is likely owed $104 million is almost certainly a factor in the team’s plans, leaving them to throw good money (playing time) after bad (the contract).

Players who qualifying for the batting title putting up consecutive sub-replacement seasons is a less frequent occurrence than you may think. Prior to Hosmer, only 63 players in history have managed the feat a total of 75 times. Nobody’s done it since 2014 (Billy Butler and Ryan Howard) and the last player to manage it and still get enough playing time the following year to qualify was Roger Cedeno in 2003. The third time was the charm and Cedeno finally lost his job.

The Padres appear determined to play Hosmer as much as possible in 2020. A platoon would obviously be the first way to reduce his playing time given his career line of .251/.298/.364 against lefties. Hosmer is far from unique in being a lefty hitter with large platoon splits, but the larger issue is that his career .291/.354/.466 line against right-handed pitchers isn’t terribly impressive itself for a northpaw-masher. Looking at the list of first basemen with 1000 plate appearances between 2011 and 2019, Hosmer’s wRC+ against righties ranks 22nd, behind such illustrious superstars as Lucas Duda, Adam Lind, Ike Davis, and Justin Bour.

ZiPS is not optimistic about Hosmer’s next six years:

ZiPS Projection – Eric Hosmer
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2020 .262 .320 .425 595 73 156 27 2 22 90 50 141 3 99 -1 1.2
2021 .257 .314 .415 470 57 121 22 2 16 70 39 110 2 95 -1 0.6
2022 .255 .311 .405 420 49 107 19 1 14 60 34 95 2 92 -1 0.3
2023 .252 .308 .392 329 37 83 14 1 10 45 26 71 1 88 -1 0.0
2024 .247 .300 .381 247 27 61 10 1 7 32 18 50 1 82 -1 -0.2
2025 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
2026 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
2027 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Eric Hosmer
Percentile BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
90% .271 .338 .493 586 78 159 31 6 29 103 59 119 7 121 2.8
80% .268 .331 .468 590 76 158 29 4 27 97 55 129 6 113 2.3
70% .265 .326 .448 592 75 157 28 4 24 94 53 134 4 106 1.8
60% .265 .325 .440 593 73 157 27 4 23 92 52 138 4 104 1.6
50% .262 .320 .425 595 73 156 27 2 22 90 50 141 3 99 1.2
40% .260 .317 .416 596 72 155 26 2 21 88 49 145 3 96 1.0
30% .258 .312 .408 598 71 154 26 2 20 86 47 151 3 93 0.7
20% .254 .308 .397 599 70 152 25 2 19 84 46 157 2 89 0.4
10% .251 .302 .382 602 69 151 24 2 17 81 43 167 2 83 -0.1

So where does that leave the Padres? Even assuming a willingness to move on, there aren’t many in-house options that are obvious improvements in 2020. Ty France and Josh Naylor project by both ZiPS and Steamer as equivalent to Hosmer offensively, and short of signing Yasiel Puig and teaching him to play first adequately very quickly, there’s not much available in free agency. Wil Myers is also likely not a preferable option.

Next year’s best first base free agent is likely to be Anthony Rizzo. The Padres should be very interested. The opportunity may even come quicker, with Theo Epstein hinting that the Cubs could become sellers if the team struggled in 2020, though it will likely take more than Andrew Cashner to acquire Rizzo this time around:

ZiPS Projection – Anthony Rizzo (SD)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .269 .377 .484 494 75 133 28 3 24 82 68 83 5 131 4 4.0
2022 .267 .371 .465 475 69 127 27 2 21 74 62 77 5 125 3 3.4
2023 .261 .363 .447 452 63 118 24 3 18 67 57 70 5 118 3 2.8
2024 .257 .355 .421 428 56 110 21 2 15 60 50 62 4 109 3 2.0
2025 .251 .346 .405 402 49 101 19 2 13 52 44 54 4 103 2 1.5

Good organizations address their biggest weaknesses, while bad ones pretend that they do not exist. How the Padres deal with their uncomfortable first base situation over the next year will tell us a lot about which category they fall into.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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mattMember since 2023
6 years ago

Hosmer sucks and the Padres will continue to play him everyday for at least a couple more years. There really isn’t anything more to say

Richie
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Yeah, it’s pretty clear right now which of Dan’s 2 last-paragraph categories the Padres fall into. They’ve got Hosmer along with no backup plan whatsoever

mattMember since 2023
6 years ago
Reply to  Richie

Every team in the Padres situation would do the same. Look at the angels with pujols for instance. Of course the contract was a disaster immediately but that’s a different discussion.

DBA455
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Re: Pujols. This “ Players who qualifying for the batting title putting up consecutive sub-replacement seasons is a less frequent occurrence than you may think” is how I learned that Albert was 4 PAs short of being batting-title eligible in 2018.

Otherwise he’d be heading into 2020 with a shot at four in a row! (Dan, when’s the last time *that* happened?)

jamesdakrnMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Not the Dodgers. Although AGon was injured in 2017, they basically ran w Bellinger over him.

They were quick to toss Kemp and Crawford to the side when they weren’t performing

gtagomoriMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

That’s not true. There is one thing almost everyone can say. And that is………”told you so!”

I don’t blame Hosmer, as a player you have only one or two chances to cash in big time.

As for the Padres. Well “told you so”. As about as nice a comment as can be made for this contract.

On the other, imagine paying and playing Albert Puljos or Miguel Cabrera this year. Yuck.

ChrisMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  gtagomori

Nobody is blaming Hosmer for anything. Well, other than being bad at his job. But I hope every player gets paid more than they’re worth, it would be a refreshing change.

FrodoBeck
6 years ago
Reply to  gtagomori

The only thing Hosmer deserves blame for is not hitting more fly balls.

fjtorres
6 years ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

And not trying to change.
By his comments, he’s accepted what he is.

Six Ten
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

This is the real problem. He can lay waste to a ball when he hits it. Could he still do that with a different swing plane or better discipline? Maybe, maybe not. But the one he’s got is garbage and everyone knows it.

He doesn’t have to change; he gets one hundred and four million more United States dollars whether he does or doesn’t. But there’s still a pretty compelling case for him to try: that $104M could be more if it turns out with a different approach at the plate he can crush the ball just as much but more consistently.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Six Ten

Hosmer actually did try a swing change and was talking about it on mlb tv but somehow it didn’t work and even got worse. This shows a swing change with 25+ year old players is a risk because they have millions of reps with the old swing. For some guys it works like JDM but with many it doesn’t.

Maybe he didn’t try it with enough conviction but he did try a change and it got worse so probably that discouraged him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

The problem with Hosmer is that his value was dependent entirely upon his BABIP, which in turn was dependent entirely on his ability to hit liners consistently…which he could only seem to do every other year.

I am not a fan of this “everybody adopt an uppercut” swing that everyone seemed to be raging about, at least partly because of what you say–changing swings is really hard, and there’s always downside risk unless you’re on your way out of the league anyway. But it was clear that he needed to at least try something more subtle, to keep his mechanics in line, or to consistently get his swing going the right way. Whatever he tried, or didn’t try, clearly didn’t work.

techzero
6 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Every time I read something about Hosmer, I become a little angry on Eno’s behalf. Hosmer belittled Eno when he was relatively new on the job, and I still haven’t forgotten the article. I feel some schadenfreude when I see that Hosmer isn’t exactly doing so well, precisely because he hasn’t learned to hit the ball in the air. Get all the barrels you want, Eric; doesn’t matter when so many are on the ground.

Article in question, for those that haven’t seen it:

https://tht.fangraphs.com/learning-the-language-of-the-clubhouse/

Cave Dameron
6 years ago
Reply to  techzero

I know that article was only 6 years ago, but it really shows how players used to be so dismissive of any sort of analysis that didn’t come from another player or former player. Kind of ironic to see a bunch of players shake their head and accuse Eno of not knowing what he’s talking about.

J. Paquin
6 years ago
Reply to  techzero

There’s a pause on the tape, where Butler stops talking and there’s no follow-up from me. It’s painful to listen to, now, even 10 months after it happened. Butler noticed, and to his credit, asked: “You all right?”

My god, wow….I hated the Royals before, now I loathe them…

Earl of EMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  techzero

I am not defending Hosmer by any means but my guess is that he wasn’t any more of a jerk than many or most players would have been when asked out of their blue on their views of ground balls vs fly balls. It was only six years ago but it was before the wave of guys retooling their swings.

baubo
6 years ago
Reply to  Earl of E

I mean when the Astros tried to get their players to shift they pretty much got told to go shove it. If players react this way to the people who write their paychecks and whose job it is to make them better baseball players, hard to imagine they’d feel anything but contempt to strangers who write on the internet

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Earl of E

Maybe, but this is the corollary to the old saw: “You can tell a lot about a person’s character by the way they treat the waiter”

OkraMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Yeah if I were SD I would tell Hosmer he needs to rework his approach to draw more walks and/or rework his swing to get more lift or he is losing playing time. Someone needs to light a fire under him because the status quo sucks and he clearly has no interest in proactively changing things himself.

darren
6 years ago
Reply to  Okra

He seems to realize that there’s a problem with his approach and he’s working to rectify it: https://theathletic.com/1637346/2020/02/27/who-do-you-want-to-be-the-revival-of-eric-hosmer/?article_source=search&search_query=hosmer

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  darren

That article was extremely light on details even for a puff piece. Didn’t sounds like he planned to change much at all other than some vague comment that he needs to hit fewer ground balls.

Ian StravinskyMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Okra

Yeah or how about bench a guy who isn’t performing? He points to his RBIs but I feel like Naylor or France or a platoon with Myers could have produced those numbers, with FAR better OBP to boot. And that is really not saying much. Justin Smoak would obliterate all those numbers. Who cares how much he’s getting paid? You don’t produce, you sit.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

If they had any significantly better options, then this year might’ve been his last chance before a mid-season demotion to the bench.

Dave Stewart
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Not sure what the issue is. Look at Hoss compared to Mike Trout:

Hoss: 90 or + RBI’s 4 time’s in the last 5 season’s
Trout: 90 or+ RBI’s 3 time’s in the last 5 season’s.

Do the math, nerd’s! The Padre’s are not going to bench a guy like that and not get their moneys worth.

Dick Monfort
6 years ago
Reply to  Dave Stewart

in 2015, with basically the exact same swing (as in 2014) Hosmer drove in 93 versus 58. Everyone though Hosmer wouldn’t be as great. But like a great American hero, Vinnie Castillo once said “You never know.” And that’s what happened in 2015, because in 2016 Hosmer hit 11 more RBI’s to get to 104. Most of the people I talk to say that the 2016 season was his greatest season.

I interpolated ’14, ’15, and ’16 – I had our analytical staff go through and interpolate those numbers – and so in 2020, Hosmer will drive in 114 runs and win the Cy Young award.

Ruben Amaro Jr.
6 years ago
Reply to  Dick Monfort

Dumbass.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
6 years ago
Reply to  Dick Monfort

In 2015 and basically the same momentum (as in 2014) it was 93 to 58. Although it won’t be that big. But as a great American hero, Vinnie Castillo once said “you never know.” And that happened in 2015, because in Homer 2016, there were 11 other RBIs that reached 104. Most people I say say the 2016 season is his biggest season.

I participated in ’14, ’15 and ’16 – I locked in my internal and analytical figures – and by 2020, Homer will lead to 114 and win the Youth Award.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Given that there were probably about five articles written about Hosmer when he was a free agent signing at this very site, all of them saying he shouldn’t get $100M or more, and virtually everyone agreed with the author, and that he’s done way worse than the projections said he would (clocking in between 2 and 3 wins at the beginning of the contract) it’s hard to imagine anyone disagreeing with this.

To me, this is a good example of “don’t overspend on a player unless you really think you are one player away,” and considering that Hosmer was supposed to be the first piece and not the last one, it really had no justification. Back when the Cards overspent to land Dexter Fowler, it was a risky move but it kind of made sense: A high-OBP guy to lead off was the missing piece. This? It never made any sense. Their best position player was a first baseman they had signed to a contract extension. This was ridiculous from the start.

There’s this section of the fanbase that will always cheer spending based on the logic of “the guys we have are terrible and he’s is a significant upgrade, and even after the signing, the team’s payroll is still very low” but that’s only good until the owner cheaps out several years later and refuses to spend a penny to upgrade a position because you already spent it. Padres fans should rightfully be ticked off now that the Padres ownership, after (what I assume) largely drove the acquisition of a big name, is now saying “sorry, we’re at our budget.”

MerlMember since 2018
6 years ago

You’re selling Myers too short. He’s had some down years and been oft injured. But he’s also had some really good years. He’s still a talent and was said to have had a really poor relationship with Andy Green. Chances are slim, but things change in baseball year in year out.

gtagomoriMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Merl

Meri. He sure looked good early on. But his defense just fell apart so fast. And then his health. Now he’s something of a wreck. I’m pulling for him to rebound. But the odds seem long. He’s seem to have more value to an AL team as well

Dmjn53
6 years ago
Reply to  Merl

He’ll turn 30 this calendar year and has a career wRC+ of 107.

Is he a better option than Eric Hosmer? Probably, but that’s not saying much

gtagomoriMember since 2017
6 years ago

Does SD really have a plan? I don’t really follow them very closely, but their moves seems somewhat at cross purposes recently.

Paul G.Member since 2016
6 years ago

Maybe Pujols can be made available….

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Just FYI, here are a list of players who are guaranteed more than $20M a year for multiple years or more than $100M:
Eric Hosmer
Albert Pujols
Miguel Cabrera
Joey Votto

This is before we get to Chris Davis, who is a total zero, or Brandon Belt, who I think make just under $20M.

I have spent a while trying to figure out if any of these guys can be traded for each other, based on the theory that some of them could bounce back (Votto, Belt, or Hosmer) and some of them are total zeroes but have lower financial commitments (Pujols, Davis), but it’s really hard to find anything that would work.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Of that list of players, I would take Votto first, and the fart he left behind second. The other players are nearly guaranteed to be garbage – Votto at least looks like he might just be merely overpaid.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

Yeah, Votto’s in overall decline, and his power has especially drained, but he’s still a good source of OBP.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

I actually think that Belt has a better chance of bouncing back than Votto, but agree that both of them are better bets than Hosmer. But I’d still take Hosmer over Cabrera, Pujols, and (especially) Davis, all whom look like they’recapital-D Done.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pujols doesn’t have a lower financial commitment. His contract was stupidly backloaded, remember?

In any case, Pujols is at least much better than Davis at this point and is only a below-replacement player due to WAR’s illogical defensive DH penalty.

Dmjn53
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

He’s below-replacement level because he has an 86 wRC+ over the last 3 years with no defensive or baserunning value

Mahoney
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A related Eric Hosmer fun fact:

Out of the 89 players to ever sign a contract for $100M or more (*90 once Yelich’s deal is official), the only one with a lower career WAR than Hosmer’s 9.9 is Ronald Acuna (9.3).

Dan GreerMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Which will last approximately 3 weeks into the season. Just wow.

Original Greaser Bob
6 years ago

Dude I dunno are you looking at barrels though? Man I miss Eno on Fangraphs.

https://tht.fangraphs.com/learning-the-language-of-the-clubhouse/

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Just want to point something out:
Jesus Aguilar is projected for more value on the Depth Charts projection in 420 PAs than Hosmer does in 600+.
Jesus Aguilar was traded at the deadline for a guy who was DFA’d this offseason, and promptly DFA’d himself this offseason.
Now, I’m actually a fan of Aguilar so maybe that’s not a good example, but he also clocks in below a parade of first basemen who signed for $5M or so, including Mitch Moreland, Justin Smoak, CJ Cron, and Eric Thames. Maybe some of their numbers (and Aguilars) are propped up a bit because the projections are taking into account their platooning numbers and Hosmer would surpass them if he sat against righties but this is just sad.

iancalMember since 2024
6 years ago

“Teams don’t tend to accept sunk costs easily” Being we are talking about billionaire business owners I never really understood this. Tell Hosmer he has a half season to turn it around or he platoons at 1b with Myers. If that doesn’t work, accept the sunk cost and move on. He’s painful to watch, (and listen to for that matter as he doesn’t come across as someone concerned with his performance). Being that there have been rumors that ownership forced this signing, makes it all the more likely he stays

tung_twista
6 years ago
Reply to  iancal

Multiple ways how that could happen.
a) You are a GM and you know you will be judged by how your signings did at the end of the season.
And your signings are doing bad. But if you stop playing them, they would just end up as being exactly that, bad. And you will lose your job.
If you keep playing them, there is a chance, perhaps small, that they would come around and you will keep your job.
b) Billionaire owners are people, too. And people can have idiosyncratic fandom.
Peter Angelos might prefer Orioles winning 90 games with Chris Davis hitting 20 home runs to the Orioles winning 91 games with Chris Davis on the bench.
I think I’d be okay with my favorite team winning one game less if that means my favorite player is going to have a good season.

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

wut, tung twista indeed

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
6 years ago

I rarely have any interest in reading articles about the Padres. But this article attracted and kept my attention. It truly is like seeing a giant dumpster fire. It is difficult to look away.

Mahoney
6 years ago

In the second half of 2019, Eric Hosmer somehow managed to:

– Have a lower BB% than Jorge Alfaro
– Have a higher K% than Franmil Reyes
– Hit as many HR as Hanser Alberto

Last season, Freddy Galvis had a poor offensive second half by Freddy Galvis standards. Hosmer had virtually identical hitting numbers to Galvis, but also added below-average defense at first base and bottom-ten caliber baserunning.

NickMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I’m old enough to remember when this guy was going to be the next offensive force in the game. Dude is 30 now, and never had a walk rate hit 10% or an ISO hit 180.

mrenick1974Member since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick

Hosmer has to be setting some sort of record for most touted rookie/PA accrual/least WAR.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  mrenick1974

I don’t know how you’re weighting those, but since Delmon Young was considered the #1 prospect in baseball, got almost 5000 PAs, and has *negative* fWAR I would think he should be in the conversation. And before you say his rookie year should not be “touted” because he posted negative wins that year, it was very much “touted”–he finished second in rookie of the year voting to Pedroia.

Boy was he bad, in all sorts of ways.

Jeff Franceour is actually not that far off of Hosmer either–he has a similar number of PAs to Hosmer right now and was worth a lot less. Hosmer’s gonna blow past him on PAs though.

Mahoney
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well if “most touted rookie” means “Rookie of the Year”, I think the answer has to be Alfredo Griffin. His credentials:

– 1979 AL ROY
– 1984 AL All-Star (.241/.248/.298 for a 44 wRC+, minus 9 Total Zone, -1.9 WAR for the 89-73 Blue Jays)
– 1985 AL Gold Glove at SS (minus 4 Total Zone)
– Not one, not two, but THREE World Series rings (’88 Dodgers, ’92-93 Jays)
– And, over 7330 PAs….a negative career fWAR (-1.0)

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago

If your over 50 like me, then 2016 almost seems like yesterday. Hosmer was awesome in 2016. You also expect experience to matter more than it seems in baseball. Add all that together and it makes sense Hosmer got his contract. The owner was older that wanted Hosmer.

Mahoney
6 years ago

Last year, despite passing away in May, Bill Buckner moved up from 150th place to 149th place in career JAWS among first basemen, passing Eric Hosmer.

Sleepy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

[audible laugh]

paulkrugman
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Fortunately, former Padres great Nate Colbert is still alive. It would be great for him to pass Hosmer during a home game at Petco this year.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
6 years ago

I was simultaneously glad for Hosmer to get paid, hopeful that he’d earn at least some portion of contract and utterly thrilled it wasn’t the Royals on the hook. That ZIPS project from 2020-2027 is probably the ugliest graph I’ve ever seen on this site.

Sleepy
6 years ago

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a ZiPS projection graph zero-out like that.

tarvisMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Sleepy

“ZiPS is not optimistic….”

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
6 years ago

I have to be honest, when I saw Chris Davis on a leaderboard, I did a double-take.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago

Seriously he is only 8 WAR behind Freddy Freeman On that table. He was really good a few years ago.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

With how much their payroll (including Hosmer) has risen lately, could they afford someone like Rizzo, though?

cpinyan
6 years ago

It is an interesting question what they will do when he inevitably continues his slide. I have to believe they will move on fairly quickly. These are not the Angelos Orioles with Chris Davis. And this isn’t the Great Albert Pujols. This is a relatively well-run organization. After the ill-fated Kemp/Kimbrel/Upton/Myers winter, they tore all that down quickly, except for doubling down on Myers (who they still somehow almost foisted off on the Red Sox). I do not see Hosmer putting up 0 WAR for years. But time will tell.

Max Power
6 years ago
Reply to  cpinyan

So other than the two times they hamstrung their franchise when they were poised to breakout in the last 5 years, they are relatively well-run?

cpinyan
6 years ago
Reply to  Max Power

That’s a fair enough point, except that in the prior go-for-broke scheme, they didn’t really give up anything of value other than Max Fried (and that took long enough) and Mallex Smith for Kimbrel, Upton and Myers. It was the Kemp trade that was the killer. Three out of four ain’t bad.

Broken BatMember since 2020
6 years ago

Cameron was right years ago about Hosmer.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Broken Bat

And then he joined the Padres front office. And then the Padres signed Hosmer.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago

Hosmer is bad but the Padres don’t have the money to eat such a contract at least for the next 2-3 years so they are stuck with him thus they need to improve the team around him.

They have a first base problem but also a catcher, 2b, CF and RF problem as meija/hedges, grisham, profar/dozier and cordero/whoever are really bland options.

Yeah it would be ideal to upgrade at 1b but eating 100+ mil is just not realistic for that market size, maybe they eat the last year but not 3- 4 years, so they better try to improve all those other holes in the offense first. The Padres rotation and pen is decent but but offense is not not good after the good top3 (Manny, Pham, tatis).

Paul G.Member since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Also, finding a 1.0 WAR first baseman basically costs nothing. The traditional run-of-the-mill first baseman slugger has almost no trade value, or at least it seems that way after the last couple of trade deadlines. You can pay Hosmer X to play first, or you can pay X+$3 million for someone else to play first.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

You don’t sit 100m for a marginal upgrade. 0 war or 1 war nobody cares, they only way hosmer gets said if a young top of the charts 1b prospect like pete alonso emerges who replaces him for nothing.

But you can’t explain an owner to eat so much money for a marginal upgrade.

Paul G.Member since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

The way Hosmer has been playing, a 1.0 WAR replacement may be a 2 win improvement. And the trade value for a 2.0 WAR first baseman is also basically next to nothing, so if you need 3 wins to get you to act, there you go.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Owners are businesspeople. If they don’t understand sunk cost fallacy, I’d be trying to find a new gig. I work in enterprise software sales and see it there too The companies stuck with no growth say “we wasted $3M implementing this garbage so we’re gonna stick with it to justify it”. The growing companies say “we can’t go back and unspend that $3M but we can learn from our mistakes and move on”

connjc
6 years ago

It’s because if the team/GM give up on Hosmer, they would have to admit they made a bad decision and accept responsibility. A lot of people aren’t going to do that.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

No, eating a contract costs more because you also have to pay a replacement plus there is the psychological aspect explaining the owner why his 150m guy doesn’t play. It probably would be smarter to accept a sunk cost but it just NEVER happens that a team eats 100+ m, even freaking Chris davis and pujols still play.

Now the team might cut the last year and eat 25m, but 75+m simply doesn’t happen. That is a pure owner decision, a GM can’t decide that.

Mahoney
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

True. Also, for free-agent signings, the fact that you won the bidding generally means that you value that player more than the consensus. Whatever upside the Padres saw in Hosmer is probably still working in their minds, they probably believe that they’d be selling low to give up on him right now.

Now if the Padres let Preller go, the new GM might have a different take.

Famous Mortimer
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

That’s why it’s got a name – the sunk cost fallacy. Just because everyone does it, doesn’t mean it’s right. Look back at baseball history for many many examples of similar thinking.

HughesMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

With how bad Orioles have been, why spend anymore at all if you don’t have a guy you think is worth giving a shot too? Looks like they were reducing his play time last year. We’ll see if that trend continues.

Mahoney
6 years ago

Fun Eric Hosmer Fact of the morning:

Jacoby Ellsbury has had as many seasons with 1+ WAR with the Yankees as Eric Hosmer has had in his entire career (four apiece).

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
6 years ago

Who does SD have to package with Hosmer in order to get him out? Gore/Hosmer packaged to get someone to eat Hosmer’s contract? Gore/Hosmer to BOS for Michael Chavis?

Or are they better just paying it off for the next 6 years?

Mahoney
6 years ago

Hosmer has a full no-trade until the end of this season, so the Padres have a 2-year window to move him before he becomes a 10/5 player after 2022.

If they’re not being pennywise/pound-foolish, the Royals have some room to buy prospects. They probably won’t get Gore (too useful for SD in the near-term) but something like Hosmer, Quantrill, Campusano and Abrams for Danny Duffy might work.

Six Ten
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

The Royals are one of the more consistently pennywise and pound-foolish clubs around though.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

This makes it pretty hard to forecast, since we don’t know what sort of prospects the Padres will even have at that point. But keep in mind at that after this season he will “only” cost $79M, and it’s spread out over a while.

Think about it this way: Will Wilson, an FV45, was enough for the Giants to absorb Cozart’s contract, which was $13M or something like that. So at the most you’re probably looking at four FV45s and an FV40+ or something like that if you don’t get any negative value contracts back. So Hudson Potts, Tiso Ornelas, Owen Miller, and Michel Baez could very well get it done (I’m penciling Ornelas as the FV40+). Every $13M or so the Padres eat, one of those prospects gets lopped off.

Mahoney
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Also, after this season there’s just 5 years left in the deal, so no chance of Hosmer regaining no-trade rights as a 10/5 guy. 😉

The Padres themselves did something very similar when they absorbed Chase Headley’s and his $13m-ish salary from the Yankees along with Bryan Mitchell (who was probably equivalent to an FV45 at that time). And I do think it would be very likely for the Padres to eat enough of Hosmer’s contract so the deal doesn’t turn into Hosmer + 5 others for Humberto Arteaga, which would be some terrible optics.

deltaclownMember since 2026
6 years ago

Found this funny from the Petriello article: “No, that doesn’t mean they’ll get Manny Machado or Bryce Harper next winter; they won’t.”

It is truly wild that the Padres got Manny freakin Machado.

kevinthecomic
6 years ago

Eric Hosmer: Almost as good as Mike Napoli. WOOF.

synco
6 years ago

I’m honestly more surprised at the cliff Rizzo’s counting stats are projected to fall off of than Hosmer’s contract/projections, which we all knew were going to be ugly.

MRDXolMember since 2021
6 years ago

It’s a little nuts that the Padres managed to pull off what looks like the most lopsided trade in a long, long time in their favor and are still nowhere near Good

softyelectricMember since 2019
6 years ago

I know his half season wasn’t great, but Josh Naylor was messed with by putting him in the outfield last year where he just doesn’t belong. He’s still, what, 22, and had a really good time in AAA.

I know the projections systems see zero growth, but what am I missing to think that Naylor wouldn’t be a better option at first base than Hosmer, with considerable offensive upside?

shaq_diesel
6 years ago

All those trades with the Rays, you’d think the Padres would have ended up with one of Nate Lowe orJi Man Choi. The Rays have like five 1st baseman projected league average or better. And there’s talk of moving Meadows there as well. Yandy, JMart, Tstsugo, Choi, both Lowes’… Not enough playing time for a half dozen first basemen.

Giolito's changeup
6 years ago

“the internet’s favorite failure-icon, the flaming dumpster.” Another great Danism!
When writing of the projected hot mess in right field.

jayman4Member since 2018
6 years ago

As a Padres fan, this is dead on. It was a like a slow motion train wreck. The news of the Padres interest in Hosmer would not fade and kept lingering around. As sadtrombone wrote, “It made no sense.” Yet it happended. Aside from the missing WAR, I would argue Hosmer is hurting players like Myers, Reyes (traded), Naylor and others would could have been interesting 1B options but either have languished or been traded.

Preller has done some really weird stuff. After the fiasco in 2015, I was vaguely hopeful. But then he traded for Galvis (low cost in terms of player given up, but still odd) and signed Hosmer. This off-season seems the return of the Preller trying to outsmart the market but ending up outsmarting himself.

If the Padres fire Preller before any playoffs, Hosmer signing will be the culprit.