The Pirates Should Move Gerrit Cole
Some teams have fairly clear decisions when it comes to adding or dismantling. The White Sox faced a pretty clear decision to tear down. The Orioles appear to be coming to grips with reality. The Marlins might as well tear it all down at this point. The Yankees were wise to begin adding at the deadline and continuing to add this offseason. The Cardinals look like a team that should add and are trying to do just that this winter.
The more challenging places are teams at a sort of crossroads, those teams that are in the middle of the pack. Those teams that might be able to compete in 2018 but might be better off planning for 2019. There are fewer of these teams as the sport appears to be becoming one more of Haves and Have Nots, but they are out there.
In the NL there are teams like the Pirates (81-81 projected record), Giants (80-82) and Mets (80-82), in which case you can make an argument that all three could buy, sell, or hold. The Giants seem interested in adding. The Mets seem to be more in a holding pattern … and the Pirates? The Pirates seem to be leaning toward selling, they are at least exploring the markets for Andrew McCutchen and Gerrit Cole.
I argued earlier in the summer that the Pirates should be soft sellers, but then last month I wrote they ought to also keep McCutchen for his final year given what might be a modest return. (After all, Pittsburgh, McCutchen named his newborn son ‘Steel’). So while I’ve had some trouble deciding what exactly the Pirates ought to do, perhaps it’s time to commit more fully to selling.
The focus in this post is on Cole as he’s one of the more intriguing big-game chips available on the market on the pitching side along with Chris Archer and Michael Fulmer.
The Pirates are willing to listen to offers for Gerrit Cole; the Yankees and Pirates match up well for potential deals at this juncture, as sources confirm; Brian Cashman and Neal Huntington have an extensive trade history. Time will tell.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 11, 2017
And he appears to be generating quite a bit of interest from teams … including the Yankees. The Yankees are being connected to every arm available in part given their resources and depth of farm system talent.
Cole has wanted to be a Yankee for some time and was drafted by the Yankees out of high school.
https://twitter.com/sung_minkim/status/940291647644069888
That’s Cole as an 11-year-old at Chase Field for a Yankees-Diamondbacks World Series game in 2001.
With Clint Frazier as an obvious trade chip, perhaps he and Justus Sheffield could provide the foundation for a package to acquire Cole, the 2011 No. 1 overall pick.
Cole might also make some sense for potential contending teams that are not going to afford top-end free agent arms like the Twins and Brewers, though the Twins might not have the right prospect package to offer and intra-division trades are rare.
While Cole hasn’t quite made it back to his 2015 level, he’s projected to be a four-win player this coming season, according to FanGraphs projections, and he’s expected to make $7 million in arbitration. He’s projected to be worth $30 million in surplus value this year and he is under control for 2019 before entering free agency. He’s never had a major elbow or shoulder injury.
The Pirates tried to bridge from their successful 2013-15 run to a new core in 2016 and beyond but it hasn’t worked in part due to misfortune like Starling Marte’s PED suspicion, Jung Ho Kang’s off-the-field problems and Jameson Taillon’s cancer diagnosis last season. The Pirates have experienced just how difficult it is to sustain success in a small market. There is little margin for error. Sometimes a step back is the smarter play even when there is a plausible pathway to the postseason. This is a game about probability, after all.
The Pirates have been unwilling to fully commit to a teardown — or build up — since 2016 and that experience is one that can instruct this decision with Cole and other assets.
For instance, had the Pirates considered trading McCutchen a year earlier his trade value would have been significantly higher than it was when they shopped him during last year’s winter meetings. Of course, while the Pirates expected some regression after their 98-win 2015 season, it would have been difficult to trade the face of the franchise after such a season. Still, it is instructive in that it reinforces the general idea that when in doubt it’s better to trade a player a year too early rather than too late. Trade value can change dramatically. McCutchen ranked 9th on Dave’s 2015 trade value list but fell off the list in 2016.
It makes sense for the Pirates to move Cole. The Pirates’ system could stand to add some higher-ceiling prospects.
And it makes sense for some team to be interested in buying Cole.
Cole has remaining upside and his floor is relatively high. He’s entering his Age 27 season. He’s not been an ace-level arm in two years, but he’s a quality starter who could be something more. I am relatively confident he’s going to improve and his career-worst 15.9% HR/FB rate (10.0% career rate) is due for a correction. His strikeout rate was up four points last year, and was trending up in the second half perhaps, in part, because he had the most diverse pitch mix of his career.
A club might think it can help him return to his 2015 form when he had career-best command of his slider. In 2015, he was one of the best five starters in the NL. Cole’s changeup made strides last year as it rated as an above-average pitch and he began to throw it more often, doubling the pitch’s usage rate from 5.4% in 2016 to 10.5% last season.

He’s one of the high-velocity arms, like Justin Verlander, who has maintained elite velocity and has not suffered a major injury.

It makes sense for the Pirates to trade Cole. And it then makes sense for the Pirates to move McCutchen, collect assets, and try to return to relevance in 2019. As noted when discussing the Machado/Orioles situation, the axiom of former Pirates GM Branch Rickey is quite useful: It’s better to make a trade a year too early than too late. And in the case of the Pirates, it applies.
A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.
Unlike Verlander, his fastball gets hit. A lot.
wRC+ 114 against 4 seamer & wRC+ 130 against sinker in 2017. Velocity is irrelevant.
Velocity is always relevant even if fastball is not a plus pitch … Velocity helps establish secondary offerings
I would ask for Torres from the Yanks in order to headline any deal for Cole. When Cashman declines, I would counter that he got Torres for 2 months of Chapman and he gets 2 years of Cole.
The Pirates biggest mistake was not adding any quality pitchers for 2016. Between injuries to Cole and under performance by other pitchers they could not compete. The problems with tearing it down now are that I don’t think the fans are ready for another 5 year rebuild and their TV contract is up after the 2019 season so they need to have interested viewers.
What if Cashman were then insulted that you thought he’d fall for that ridiculous logic
Torres is as valuable as he is today not as valuable as two months of chapman was to the cubs 18 months ago. The aquisition cost paid by Cashman is irrelevant to new transactions. So I think Cashman could respond by saying, and you only paid Cole 6-7 million to sign so thats how valuable he is.
“you only paid Cole 6-7 million to sign so thats how valuable he is”
Believe it or not, Dave Stewart once defended trading a pitching prospect in part on the logic that the player was worth his bonus slot value – https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/celebrating-the-year-in-dave-stewart-comments/
I feel like there’s no need for Cashman to get Cole, even if he wants him, so he would be negotiating from a position of strength, and be inclined to holdout for a better deal than the author suggests, something with frazier and lower-level guys(good ones, but father away from majors). Probably my bias leading me astray, do others think the proposed deal of frazier+sheffield+ is fair? unfair one way or the other?
fair? should Cashman do that, Hal should fire him 🙂
He can think he’s negotiating from whatever position he wants, but holding out for a better deal could just mean that the Pirates take another team’s offer.
“Position of strength” is defined far less by how much “need” Cashman has to get Cole and far more by competing teams in the mix, as well as how willing the Pirates are simply to keep Cole.
If the Yankees get Cole, they would likely not have room for Chad Green in the rotation, which is where he should be.
I wonder if Green plus non-Frazier prospects would entice the Pirates, who could then stick Green in their rotation and not worry about needing a full 180+ innings from him this year.
Alright, which catcher are we getting this time?
782.1 IP 3.50 ERA in the NL, this is Cole, a 4.50 ERA pitcher in the AL maybe? his pedigree commands a huge package, 782.1 IP tell another story. If you think that Cole can provide such a huge return – Frazier and Sheffield – what would be the package for safer bets and surer value like Archer or Fulmer?
If you want to use ERA, his ERA in the AL over the same time using a 90 ERA- scaled to a league average ballpark would be 3.66.
I know they wouldn’t be alone, but if I were the Twins I would make a strong push for Cole. Cole + signing one of Darvish/Arrieta seems preferable to signing Darvish/Arrieta + signing someone like Lance Lynn.
Do they have the prospects for it?
Lifelong Pirate fan… I agree. If Cole could be traded for Sheffield and Frazier, the Bucs should immediately do so. Pirates’ “window” already closed – but they convince themselves they are still up and coming.
Pirates have talent that could be worth a lot in trades: Cole, Marte, Nova, J-Hay, and Rivero all have value in their contracts. Cutch and Cervelli probably have some trade value.
The window is closed. Time to prepare for the next window. If they don’t take advantage of the trade value on their roster, the next window will be a long way off.
Adam Frazier could also be useful to some contending team as a cheap guy who can fake it at several different positions.
He’s never going to be a star, but might be worth a mid level prospect or several lottery tickets.
It is not clear to me that Cole is really “a year too early” at this point. For the past two seasons, he has been an above average starting pitcher under cost control. That is certainly valuable and every team would want that, but giving up multiple prospects for two seasons of an above average pitcher seems steep to me.
Also, Branch Rickey’s term with the Pirates was complicated to say the least. That’s not the Rickey you want as your muse.
I tend to fall here, is he really less valuable in July with 1 1/2 years left? Particularly if his recent HR problem goes away and he is posting ace numbers. Same can be said for dealing Cutch. The Bucs are stuck in between, but I dont see much downside is seeing if things go right in 2018 as opposed to the bad luck in 2017. Take one last run at it and sell in a sellers market in July if things stay mediocre. There are enough “what ifs” that could lead the Bucs to contention right now.
I think he is. While prices seem to go up at the deadline, you also have more suitors at this stage because more teams can picture themselves contending. This organization is pretty rudderless right now and frankly, seems pretty paralyzed by indecision. They’ve touted internal improvements for the last two years as what will bring them back. In other words: hope. Hope is not a good plan.
It’s not a crazy idea to wait until the deadline, but the clear big downside with Cole (or any pitcher) is that he suffers a significant injury before then. The smaller downside is that his numbers go the wrong way.
For McCutchen, I think there’s a lot more downside to waiting that goes beyond just performance and health. Positional supply and demand could make for a buyers’ market for outfielders, like it did this year at the trade deadline. Multiple contenders pretty much always want top of the rotation starters and late inning relievers, but the in-season market for position players is more complicated and doesn’t carry the same sort of “use them a lot in the post-season” premium.
What if Cole struggles though? Then you are really screwed.
If he’s sitting on a 4+ ERA in July, he’s certainly less valuable.
I think I’d take that bet with good odds in my favor. He is too good to struggle enough to hurt his value.
I think injury risk is a constant in both directions, the players you trade for could get hurt too.
He made only 21 starts last year, had a 4.26 ERA this year, and has been trending in the wrong direction in two straight years.
I think the Buc’s 2017 debacle was more than just bad luck and the weakness of the farm system was really exposed. Even if the team was to catch a flier and be competitive mid-season, what prospects does Huntington have to offer other teams in order to add the key talent needed to make a September run? Nothing but garbage in AA and AAA. Time to move Cole is now and replenish the the farm.
Not horribly relevant, but if you haven’t seen Cutch’s Instagram post yet… my, that’s one cute baby.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcGOVkwAgzr/
Even further off-topic: does any research exist as to if players’ performance is affected by becoming a father? My job is about as unrelated from physical ability as is humanly possible, but I know that night after night of hungry and stinky baby duty affected my ability to concentrate during the day.
Do you earn at least as much as the major league minimum (if not a lot more) and can thus pay for live-in help? Does your job take you away from that hungry and stinky distraction for over a week at a time? Has success at your job from your teen years on been predicated, in part, on your ability to filter out every kind of distraction including uncomfortable minor-league roadtrip travel with stinky and hungry roommates?
I can’t imagine that it would help. You know this, but the sleep deprivation is truly terrible. On the other hand, there have been a few high-profile births to MLB players and none of them have seemed to drop off in any noticeable way.
I’d say it needs more study, but probably there’s nothing there.
It’s time for Pirates fans/media to warm up to your ideas here Travis. Sadly I’m not confident they ever will.
What do the fans and media have to do with it? Most knowledgeable Pirates fans have been clamoring for a rebuild for at least a year.
The management team is the one who has to get on board with this idea.
Pgh is NOT a contender in ’18 w/ their current roster. Travis is right – the Pirates should be selling.
The good news is Pgh doesn’t really need to “re-build” so much as they need to “remodel”. They already have a pipeline of solid young pitching, a few position prospects & some decent value in existing contracts like Marte & Polanco.
Replace just a few pieces (McCutchen, Harrison/Freese & Cervelli) and the playoff window could re-open assuming the younger talent develops.
They won 75 games with everything going wrong and were in the race in July. Its not that far fetched to see Taillon and Polanco step forward or to see Glasnow or any other P make gains.
Taillon, yes, but Polanco has had nearly 2,000 MLB plate appearances and is a below average hitter with head scratching moments in the OF and on the bases. I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
252/315/401 93 wRC+
275/336/377 101wRC+
One of those triple slash lines belongs to Gregory Polanco and the other belongs to Jose freakin Tabata…
“due to misfortune like Starling Marte’s PED suspicion”
Just one small typo that would also get past spellcheck, but does Travis have debates about Hall of Fame balloting on his mind? Marte’s suspension for a failed test is more than suspicion.
Arguing that Jameson Taillon’s cancer as a reason for selling of Cole is pretty flimsy. If it’s a continued risk its a reason to keep Cole. I think the Pirates can compete in 2017, sans Kang.
They sure should for that package. They’re big league ready, so by the time Cole’s a free agent, you may be putting more value on the field anyway.