The Playoffs Aren’t Too Big. The League Is Way Too Small.

With the first 12-team postseason in MLB history right around the corner, we’re hearing a little bit of griping. The playoffs, like your dad’s hand-me-down sport coat, are too big. Look at the race for the last Wild Card spot in the NL, in which the Phillies and Brewers have spent the past two weeks bumbling around like a pair of somnambulant dachsunds investigating a cricket. Eventually one sneezes and forgets what he was doing in the first place, and the other gets tired and plops over for a nap. The cricket escapes unharmed. Surely these are not playoff-quality teams. Surely they’re nothing but an inconvenience to a champion-elect like the Dodgers. But they’ll get a full three-game audition nonetheless. What a waste of time.
And by and large, I agree. While the current playoff structure seems to incentivize regular-season competition and could lead to some exciting October action, all things being equal I’d rather go back to an eight-team playoff bracket. Maybe because that’s the way things were when I was a kid, which is the overriding logic behind about 95% of people’s opinions about baseball, art, or society at large, but that’s how I feel.
But go back and consider, for a moment, that hand-me-down sport coat from your dad. You’re a teenager, fresh off a growth spurt, all tendons and hormones. The jacket, made for a man, looks weird on the frame of what is essentially a very tall child. But the problem is not that the jacket is too big; it’s that you are too small. On a bigger person, with a more fully developed frame, it would look just fine.
So while a 12-team playoff is probably too big for a 30-team baseball league, a 30-team baseball league is preposterously small for the size of the audience it serves. America, like Leon from Airplane, is getting larger. MLB should do the same.
The thing about humanity is: There’s a lot of us, and we keep reproducing. That’s as true in the U.S. as it is anywhere else. The Census Bureau estimates that there are some 333.2 million Americans at the moment; a new American is born every nine seconds, a new American immigrates every two minutes and change. Accounting for death rate, we net a new person every 25 seconds.
MLB, however, hasn’t added a new team in the U.S. since 2005, and even that — the relocation of the Montreal Expos to Washington — involved borrowing a franchise from Canada. It’s been almost 25 years since the league expanded, and in that time the U.S. population has grown by more than 20%. Mid-decade census data is an estimation, but using the government’s hard population data at the start of each decade since 2010, we can see that there have never been more Americans per American MLB team.

In 2020, there were 11.42 million Americans per MLB team, the highest that ratio has ever been. In fact, the only time the ratio had ever broken 11 million people per team was 1960; MLB expanded for the first time the following year and added seven teams in the U.S., plus the Expos, in the following decade.
The first census after the formation of the modern AL-NL duopoly, 1910, registered just 5.76 million Americans per MLB team. This was a massive overstatement. The two leagues would not fully consolidate their control over professional baseball until the 1950s; in addition to upstarts like the Federal League, the International League and Pacific Coast League were among the organizations that ran de facto quad-A competitions in cities unserved by MLB, to say nothing of the Negro Leagues, which were every inch a major league back then but not recognized as such by MLB until 2020. (For whatever that’s worth — which, considering the records and financial windfall Black baseball leaders lost thanks to segregation, isn’t a lot.)
The appetite for baseball was once insatiable. Then again, back in those days there was no NBA, no soccer to speak of, and the NFL and NHL were a shadow of what they are now. No TV, no internet — just a nation of children so bored they thought ball-in-a-cup games were solid entertainment. Did our society pass baseball by, or did baseball fail to meet the demands of an expanding nation?
After two decades of stasis and after watching every competitor expand to great success, serious people are once again talking about embiggening the league. Where should these new franchises go? Serious contenders include Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, Las Vegas, maybe Vancouver or a return to Montreal.
To this I say, “yes.” Don’t stop at 32 teams. A 12-team playoff is still too expansive for a 32-team league.
But not for a 48-team league. Yes, 48.
Add them all. Stick another team in Southern California. Put two more in New York. New Orleans, Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Austin — put a chicken in every pot, a car in every driveway, and an MLB franchise in every U.S. city of half a million people or more. And from there, expand to Mexico City, San Juan, Santo Domingo — the “America” of the American League could be North America, not just the United States. Baseball, from sea to shining sea.
There was a time when MLB followed demographic trends, most notably in the rapid reorganization and expansion of the 1950s and 1960s that brought MLB to the South and the West Coast for the first time. As Americans migrated across the continent, emboldened by highways, air conditioning, and cheap land, baseball followed, to a point. The West Coast is now as thick with MLB teams as the league’s traditional homestead, but one region remains underserved: the South. The Census Bureau, conveniently, splits the country up into four regions for statistical purposes, and you’ll find that one just doesn’t get as much pro baseball as the others.

As jarring as that trend line is to look at, the figures are even more skewed than they seem. The Census Bureau defines “the South” quite broadly. Pennsylvania is in the Northeast, but Maryland and Delaware are in the South for census purposes, dividing the Crab Fries Belt right down the middle. (“Euh neu!” cried millions of distraught Philadelphians, Baltimoreans, and Wilmingtonians upon finding out they’d been cut off from their neighbors.)
But to the point: Until 1962, the only MLB teams in “the South” were situated in Baltimore and Washington. Even now, there are two teams in Texas, two in Florida, and only one (the Braves) to serve the rest of the region up to Washington, D.C. Among states that host an MLB club, the top three in residents per team are Texas, Florida, and Georgia.
| State | Residents Per Team (in millions) |
|---|---|
| Texas | 14.57 |
| Florida | 10.77 |
| Georgia | 10.71 |
| New York | 10.10 |
| Michigan | 10.08 |
| California | 7.91 |
| Washington | 7.71 |
| Arizona | 7.15 |
| Massachusetts | 7.03 |
| Pennsylvania | 6.50 |
| Illinois | 6.41 |
| Maryland | 6.18 |
| Ohio | 5.90 |
| Wisconsin | 5.89 |
| Colorado | 5.77 |
| Minnesota | 5.71 |
| Missouri | 3.08 |
| District of Columbia | 0.69 |
Surely it’s a coincidence that this part of the country is the greatest stronghold for football, and for college baseball — a coincidence and not, say, the result of more than 100 years of neglect. Whether a team in a mid-sized Southern city could support a $250 million dollar payroll is an open question. (And based on what we know about the Braves’ finances, the answer might surprise you.) It’s also irrelevant. Baseball teams are so profitable because they are civic institutions, and people will identify with a local team if they feel like it represents them and makes them proud. Not to put too fine a point on it, but this explains the why the Cardinals are what they are, and the Pirates are what they are.
The idea of a team as a civic institution exists in Europe, in the world of soccer, even more than it does here. And their teams, rather than a collection of 30, are an ecosystem of dozens or even hundreds. People still come out to support the local team, to live and die with their fortunes, even if the range of potential outcomes is quite limited by our standards. The Rays and Guardians make the playoffs every year and they sometimes feel like a lost cause; second-division teams in England that will never ever win a title draw tens of thousands of fans a game. Could a team in Louisville or Charlotte or Greenville (pick a Greenville, any Greenville) draw like the Yankees? Charge TV rights fees like the Yankees? Spend with the Yankees? Of course not, which is why the current 30-team model is so successful, so defined by parity, and not dominated by teams from New York and California. But it could still attract fans and build a loyal audience.
In order to get invested in a team for which a championship is vanishingly unlikely, a fan needs to learn to define success on the team’s own terms. For the Yankees or Dodgers, it’s World Series or bust. For the Rockies, maybe making the playoffs is good enough. For the hypothetical Nashville Party Buses or Texarkana Smokers, it’d be about finishing over .500, or even the team just giving a good account of itself in defeat.
But Americans are told from birth that our civilization is exceptional, and that we, by extension, are exceptional, and that individual success comes from hard work and moral rectitude. Winners finish first; everyone else has something wrong with them. For a variety of reasons, ranging from tanking to hot take discourse to the polarization and commercial exploitation of fan culture, the championship-or-bust attitude is more pervasive now than ever. Can a baseball team that wins infrequently build a devoted following? Yes, but maybe not here and now. Defeating that attitude means finding happiness where one can, redefining success to account for structural obstacles. These attitudes would be a welcome corrective to a culture that’s all too frequently cutthroat and unforgiving.
The most practical argument against radical expansion stems from the structure of MLB as an organization. Despite its legally enshrined exemption from antitrust law, it is not a monopoly but a cartel, and the distinction is important. A monopoly would be incentivized to expand as much as is practicable; if you already own the entire market, the only way to make more money is to increase the size of the market. If MLB were a monopoly, it would be doling out franchises like they were Chick-fil-A storefronts. But it is a cartel, which means that insofar as it’s out to promote “baseball” as such, it does so only insofar as promoting baseball enriches the 30 individuals or syndicates that own a franchise.
We see this all the time in disputes over how moving a club would impact local TV markets; Orioles-Nationals and Giants-A’s are two prominent examples. Owners are similarly defensive about expansion. Want to know how lucrative membership in this cartel is? The NHL’s Seattle Kraken had to cut the other 31 owners a check for $650 million in order to join the league on top of the startup costs of building a new team. Charlotte FC paid a $325 million expansion fee to join MLS. I’ll say it again: $325 million! For MLS!
The current owners, who give MLB and Rob Manfred their marching orders, have no intention of cutting that many new members in on a share of the pie, no matter how much demographics evince a market for new baseball. “The owners won’t like it” might prevent a hypothetical expansion plan from coming to pass, but it’s not an argument against the idea itself being sound. When Larry Baer starts whining about his territorial rights, “Who cares?” is an acceptable rejoinder.
These business incentives are only immutable as long as no one questions their validity. To give up on wanting or hoping for something simply because capitalism says it’s impractical strikes me as a joyless and unimaginative approach to thinking, living, and desiring. We can and should hope for exciting things, especially if they’re unlikely to happen.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
“The most practical argument against radical expansion” from the point of view of fans (not the people who would make the decision) is that there are already so few good teams. Saturday I was deciding what game to watch and noticed that of the 15 games on, only 3 were between two teams with winning records. I don’t have the statistical firepower to calculate how many games in, say, all of September were between winning teams, but it sure seemed like not many. During the “crucial” playoff “races”!
How many of the 18 new teams would be happy to coast along at 71-91, believing/knowing that the novelty of being Major League Baseball in Vancouver will be enough to keep fans paying for tickets and beer? You know, like the Rockies.
And, of course, we can’t say that the solution is to find a bunch of new owners who love baseball and want to watch their teams win, because there are already 30 owners and only like 10 of them meet that description.
EDIT: Man, this sounds like I woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It’s a really good article! The historical data you assembled is really interesting and persuasive! I’m just a pessimist.
I think that the most practical argument is that with more teams, there would be longer droughts between championships for each team.
Like in Hockey, as soon as there were more than six teams in the NHL, it became impossible for the Toronto Maple Leafs to win a NHL championship.
I suppose with expanding the playoffs to keep it stable as a percentage of teams, people might focus on playoff droughts rather than just championships, but even with a sport with as much parity as baseball (no repeat winners since 2000, much more parity than the NFL), going from 30 to 48 teams would make it even less likely for any fan that their favorite team would win one in their lifetime.
The Red Sox, Giants, and Cardinals have all won multiple Championships since 2000. Your basic point of having much more parity yet still not enough for such rapid expansion is still accurate, though.
No team has won in consecutive years, some teams have won more than once in the entire 22 year span.
You didn’t say “consecutive.” You said “repeat,” which could mean either consecutive or multiple times overall. I mistook which definition you meant.
That wasn’t about how many teams were in the NHL, it was about Howard Ballard.
“Good” is relative. Right now there’s such a high level of shared talent and a degree of parity that it’s incredibly difficult for teams to separate from the pack.
Now, imagine MASSIVE expansion. MLB goes to 60 teams. Aaron Judge and Jacob deGrom are still who they are, but now there are Another 800 or so MLB players kicking around who ordinarily would have no business being in prime time. This is, essentially, the college football model. There would be enormous talent disparities between the top and the bottom of the league. Records would fall left and right. There would be 10+ teams with 100 wins, and someone would probably threaten 120 every year. Compared to the dross at the bottom, some of these teams would look “good” indeed.
But would they really be?
So, we’d create a new environment for the second comings of a new Babe Ruth and Walter Johnson?
Isn’t “good” always relative?
i think that sounds awesome actually
Until the 1960’s, we had 16 MLB teams, yet, the early 1950’s are some of the lowest parity seasons in history. Despite decades and decades of baseball since the expansion boom, many records from pre-expansion still stand.
In addition, you cannot extrapolate the current talent pool to what it would look like post-60-team-expansion. With more opportunities to make good money as a player, more viable athletes would stick with the sport instead of leaving the minors to be real estate agents. With a larger market of customers, more places like Driveline would pop up to help with player development. And so on – markets adapt to changing environments.
Finally, baseball talent is not distributed linearly. Doubling the talent in the majors, even with today’s current talent pool, does not mean that a 60-team-replacement-level-player would be half as valuable as the 30-team-replacement-level player.
Ironically, the number of games on any given day that will be between teams with winning records is directly correlated to number of teams that there are, and will stabilize around 1/4. This is simply a probability calculation. So if you want more options between teams with winning records, you actually need more teams, not fewer.
The size of the US population is kind of irrelevant, or at least only peripherally so. What matters is the size of talent pool and the ability of new teams to compete economically, not only with each other, but also amid the growing sports and entertainment market place. MLB teams are not fast food restaurants. Stability and longevity are vital to the success of a sports league. The teams compete on the field, but they have a vest interest in all members remaining financial sound. MLB is not a cartel. It doesn’t own baseball. Rather, it provides baseball in a defined package, the success of which is based on some semblance exclusivity.
If smaller markets want access to a team, and fans want a experience more oriented toward fun instead of successful outcomes, such an option already exists…the minor leagues. There would be no value to MLB, MiLB, fans or localities to have the major and minor leagues essentially combined into one business model.
Sure, MLB could probably expand by another 2 to 6 teams over the next decade or so, but any movement in that direction should be deliberate. Of course, that should have nothing to do with the current postseason expansion, which has become too diluted.
The surrounding sentences are exactly why MLB is a cartel. Plenty of other cartels promote their shared product, and their shared product competes against a wider marketplace of options. MLB is composed of individually owned teams that restrict new entry into baseball but are separate teams.
So, they are a collusion factory?
Rob Manfred writing this.
Besides, there just aren’t that many more metro areas that could viably support an 81-game home schedule and still make a profit even with revenue sharing.
MLB can and really should expand by two or four more teams as soon as the A’s and Rays get things sorted out, but 18 additional franchises is absolutely ridiculous and completely unfeasible!
“Make a profit” is about as relative as “good” is. Considering the appreciative value of your average MLB franchise, owners who refuse to spend more than they take in on a yearly basis are pleading a poverty that is simply a lie.
It’s only natural that a business franchise insists on making a profit. The small markets generally spend as much as they are able to do so while still making a decent profit. They’re only pleading poverty in the sense that their Major League payroll levels can’t compete with the large markets.
“The small markets generally spend as much as they are able to do so while still making a decent profit.”
“Citation missing!!” — fans in Pittsburgh, Miami, Oakland, Cincinnati, Tampa…
I don’t know. MLB consumption is hyper-localised. I’m not sure if people that are part of, say the TV boundary for the Braves, but live in Charlotte are that engaged with the Braves, but they would probably get very invested in a local team. My theory is that because baseball consumption is so localised, that the upper limit on MLB teams is much higher than say, the NBA where most of the interest seems to be on wherever the most stars are congregating, and where noone watches the actual games.
The Premier League has 20 clubs for a population of 56M. Expanding to the top 4 tiers of English soccer there are 92 teams. 92 teams! That aren’t merely farm teams for the big leagues.
Any cap on “talent pool” is purely imaginary.
Those teams are supported globally. There are 20 teams, but only 6 are routinely good. There are maybe 8 competitive teams each year. Of those 8, there are only 2-3 with realistic chances of winning.
Do you really want a bunch of Leeds Uniteds and Brentfords?
I like soccer, but it’s boring outside of maybe 5 teams a year. In other Euro leagues with a similar structure, you only have one or two teams (Bundesliga, La Liga, and Serie A). I do not want MLB emulating the structure of soccer.
As the writer mentions it’s about expectations. Brentford don’t expect to win, but getting into the PL is like winning the world series to them. Now if they got into Europe it would be a dream come true. That isn’t boring.
“Those teams are supported globally.”
Man U, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, and Arsenal, yes. I don’t think Southampton and Bournemouth are thriving on global support, exactly.
The minor leagues are not a fair comparison here. I don’t recall the Cardinals being able to make September callups from the Pirates, nor do I recall any AAA teams getting to face off against MLB teams in regular season games.
It would be nice to see Japanese teams added to MLB.
that’s one helluva road trip!
MLB teams could afford those new hypersonic jets coming out.
So far none of the jet engines companies want anything to do with thzt project. The airframe looks viable but without engines…
High powered sling shots?
Darrel Kyle Jr left fielder for the Portland Stoners was decapitated today when the team slingshot malfunctioned. And now onto weather….
I’ve been hoping for those teleporters from Star Trek for a while–would be great for commuting to work, and it would work great if you needed to beam over a team for a road series in Japan. The only problem is that in the Star Trek universe baseball ends in 2042 so I think baseball probably wants to avoid that timeline.
I’m with Bones: those transporters are murder machines.
Give me a STARGATE any day.
Not on DS9
Those teleporters are inherently flawed. All they do is kill people while generating an instant clone in a different location. While he/she has the same memories and is physically identical, it would still have a different soul that would consider him/herself as a different person from the original.
This turned into a “Rick and Morty” episode really quickly. Just remember – there are only six of us here. Six!! Me, Morty, Jerry, Beth, Mr. Poopybutthole, Frankenstein, Sleepy Gary, Photography raptor, Mr. Beauregard, and Summer.
You’d basically need to restrict US teams to one road trip to Japan per team per year, and have the Japanese teams make at most two trips to the Americas (presumably beginning or ending the season over here so as to eliminate one in season trip).
I think regular season travel is solvable, but postseason travel to and from Japan would be a nightmare, you’d need to have it be either 4 then 3 or 3 then 4 for home and away, 3 then 4 means the higher seed may have only 1 home game, 4 then 3 means the lower seed may have no home games in a 7 game series.
Or hold each series in a neutral city, like with the Super Bowl.
Plus, even if you could solve all those logistical problems, baseball, like all team sports, is better watched or listened to live; and nobody wants to follow their team in the middle of the night or early morning when they’re playing on the other side of the Pacific.
The only time that is acceptable is during the World Series, wherein each game ends as the sun is rising on the east coast.
Besides the obvious travel/scheduling impossibilities, I don’t see why the NPO would consent to becoming a minor league in their own country.
The Nippon Professional Baseball Organization would become a recognized major league. Add in some Korean teams to get up 15 or 20. Scrap interleague play. Would only need to worry about travel when down to 4 teams.
Yep. And while we’re at it lets make a major league out of a dozen or so teams from Central and South America. Now we’ve got 4 divisions (American, National, Pacific, Southern). Put the kibosh on interleague play, and play the Final 4 at predetermined neutral sites.
Maybe we should call it the World Baseball Classic
It would be nice to see US teams and the Blue Jays added to NPB
That wouldn’t do anything to move the needle on what is presented in the article re: teams per US population.
We don’t have enough good players for 30 teams.
Let’s try 20 before we try 40.
I think there are too many good pitchers, especially relievers, who can do at least two of throwing upper 90s, for strikes, with a good breaking ball or two.
Adding in expansion teams might help reduce the TTO reliance of modern offences – asxpitching staffs are far less deep – and increase the importance of the ace level starting pitchers as the average bullpen arm will no longer be as good.
Agreed. Theoretically this could be a way to increase offense without new rules.
Really? IF the pitching is already too good and offense too weak in MLB, I’m not sure how adding more from the high minors will actually make that much diff. It’s not like the current MLB talent just magically appeared out of thin air afterall. The vast majority of both the good and weak (and everything in between) developed/arrived thru the minor league system…
I mean… I suppose it’s possible offense might indeed go up in a default kinda way via incompetent play (both because of more diluted pitching and defensive talent) instead of true/improved quality of offense. But how is that really a desirable thing for us fans, especially if we’re already complaining about the lackadaisical play of the current Phillies and Brew Crew in their current playoff chase???
I think the argument is that it would make it harder to put together these 13 man bullpens where everyone has crazy nasty stuff and the star players could put up bigger numbers. Again its theoretical. There’s probably ways to poke holes in that.
Yep the Brewers’ current pitching staff was supposed to be pretty stacked this year, but the actual version has basically filled in a lot of rotation slots with whatever was inexpensively available and gives an idea of what diluted talent level would look like.
Pretty inconsistent play going between Woodruff/Burnes/Williams and Houser/Ashby/Bush/Small/Perdomo/Gott/Milner/Suter.
Wish I could downvote this more than once.
We tried 20 between 1962 and 1968. We found it too small
You don’t need the best players to have exciting games. Just evenly matched ones
yes, college sports are just as or maybe even more exciting than some pro leagues and they are filled with amateur players.
Rapid expansion of the league will cause a sudden, sharp decline in the quality of play. Records will topple as superstars feast on AAA-level opponents, but everyone will understand that it’s because the variance in player quality is dramatically higher, and not necessarily because players are having great seasons. (Well, some might not understand it mathematically, but everyone understands feasting on weaker opponents.)
This effect is visible during expansion years that only have two new teams, so just imagine how watered-down the stats would be if MLB got more aggressive than that.
I’m not sure this is necessarily a bad thing for the game. Those home run races in the late 90s brought a lot of publicity to baseball.
If Aaron Judge hit 75 home runs, would that really be such a bad thing?
Exactly. Guys breaking records would be exciting for the game.
Some guys challenging records occasionally is exciting.
A record that falls every year is boring.
Again, the 90s early 2000s beg to differ. I don’t remember anyone being bored by Bonds HR chase.
I highly doubt Aaron Judge would just all of a sudden hit 75 hrs. And that would be about the only record in contention.Someone gonna beat Hack Wilson? No. Someone gonna beat Rickey Henderson? No. Someone going to hit 400, no. K record? Wins record? Maybe Dodgers could beat wins record, but rest of the records are damn safe.
Most of these records are thanks to high variance periods in MLB (including the steroid era). So, meh….
I’d be more concerned about the quality of play, we don’t really need 22 games on TV do we? Seems like 15 is fine. There isn’t something magical about a population/team ratio. Why can’t 40M people watch one team? Plus just the practicality of it. How do you distribute the existing MLB and AAA players among so many new teams? People would lose their minds. And AAA teams in places like Sacramento or Nashville would likely struggle to draw fans from their local population that already has allegiance to other nearby teams for decades to come.
Nashville already has a AAA team that does just fine. Or did you mean a new MLB/AAA team near Nashville would hurt the existing AAA team?
I mean a new MLB team in Nashville that would both displace the AAA team and have to steal fans from the Braves. Just like Sacramento would have to do with their AAA team and the A’s and Giants fans, and on and on through most of the attractive non-MLB cities.
Gotcha. I guess the counter to that is the Tennessee Titans and Nashville Predators have had no problems building a fan base. And I’m not sure the ties to the Braves are all that strong in younger populations that didn’t grow up with watching the Braves on the Turner network. Your point about displacing the AAA team stands, but I’m not sure anyone will care about that except the owners of the Sounds.
Maybe, I suppose MLB could do some leg work to see how ‘sticky’ fandom to teams in relative close proximity might be. One of the things that would of course help is if these new teams don’t suck for 4 years out of the gate, but then ensuring that doesn’t happen pisses off existing teams…
The Owners of the Sounds would love to own a MLB team.
I’m sure they would but I doubt a AAA ownership group has enough capital to purchase an MLB team. MLB isn’t just giving it to them.
If struggling to draw local fans was a death knell for profitability, why haven’t the owners of TB and Miami rushed to sell and get out of this clearly undesirable, unprofitable business?
Sure, its more about TV, but that’s kind of my point. People in Nashville already watch baseball on TV, they just watch non-Nashville teams. So the question becomes, will more people in Nashville watch baseball if they had their own team? If not, then you’re just taking the same pie and dividing it up more ways. Ultimately, I’m not sure that helps, and it might hurt a lot if the you take market share from mostly smaller teams to give to new teams, but the big teams remain fairly unchanged. So, maybe this means adding new teams in NYC and LA first…
Counterpoint: so what?
Diluting the talent in the league by 50% and adding a bunch of small-market cry poor teams to the league sounds like a really well thought out idea.
/s
There are some glaring oversights in here…. like the fact that the Braves only have the “finances” that they currently enjoy because of their multi-state media monopoly. That whole chart conflates “states” with “media markets” and misses the mark by a lot.
Complaining that a team like the Phillies (+73 run differential) are in the playoffs while they are better than Tampa, Cleveland, Seattle, and San Diego makes it seem like you started with a premise and then went looking for something to explain it regardless of what you found.
They crushed this whole premise on MLB Now yesterday anyway. This playoff expansion was actually good, but it could still be better.
Agreed for the most part, except perhaps whether this playoff expansion is actually good…
If the choices were keep what they were doing (Wild Card play-in game) or this, I would choose this every time. I would choose 2 less teams first but… you know. 🙂
Yeah, those stupid play-in games didn’t even deserve to be called part of the playoffs.
It’s totally possible I’m misremember, but I think they technically weren’t part of the playoffs and MLB held a categorical distinction between the playoffs (CS/DS/WS) and the postseason (playoffs+wild card game).
I just don’t think the fandom is there. I know we all really like baseball on this site, but I think the only leagues in the US that might be able to justify expanding is the NFL and the NBA given their popularity. I’m not even sure if there’d be enough interest if one just doubles the teams in rabid fandom cities like Boston or Philadelphia. The slowness of the game, the ticket prices, the game itself… I just don’t see it.
By every objective metric (attendance, RSN ratings, online engagement, streaming numbers, merchandizing, and even poll numbers), MLB is very popular, and probably only second to the NFL (but, I contend, that’s mostly because the NFL is more akin to interactive reality TV than a sports product). The reason to not expand isn’t a lack of popularity, but doing damage to a product that is already popular.
Try: “…do damage to the profitability of existing teams.”
I think this is an important point. Major league baseball is not particularly entrepreneurial about growing the sport and finding new customers. They are very entrepreneurial about finding new ways of extracting money from existing customers. MLB teams just aren’t interested in growing the game if it involves anything that could jeopardize their existing revenue streams.
Eric Longenhagen had a pretty good piece on this a couple of years ago where he showed that the difference between the bottom of MLB rosters and what was going on in the next tier down wasn’t really much of a difference at all, and that the dimensions of 40-man roster construction favored expansion. I wasn’t on board before that but now I get it. But based on that analysis, it looks more like a 36 team league makes more sense than a 48-team one. But I think you could also get to 40 pretty easily. Here’s my logic.
At the minimum, there should be (1) a team in either Vancouver or Portland, (2) Austin or San Antonio, (3) Raleigh-Durham or Charlotte, (4) Nashville, and (5) Las Vegas, and (6) somewhere near New Haven*. So getting to 36 teams should be super-easy.
The problem is that it doesn’t work all that well when you start putting a team in Columbus to compete with the Reds and Guardians. But if you wanted to get to 40, you could do it. Putting a team in the northern part of New Jersey? That would be fine. The Yankees will remain solvent, I promise you. There’s tons of money in Jersey City, so all you have to do is make sure it is more convenient for them than getting to the Bronx. Same with San Jose and San Francisco; put a team in Cupertino and you’re golden. You could probably do both Austin and San Antonio if needed, and put another one in the LA area somewhere too (I have no idea where, Dodger Stadium and Anaheim are actually pretty well-located). Boom, you have 40.
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*I realize Montreal is a popular choice here but it’s actually probably not as good as it sounds. Quebec seems to be pretty intent on making life as miserable as possible for English-language speakers so signing free agents would be miserable. Montreal was more or less a bilingual city even a decade ago but who knows what’s happening next. In contrast, the state of Connecticut has an enormous amount of wealth and it isn’t that convenient to get to Boston or the Bronx for a game. Maybe New Haven itself wouldn’t work but a place that people from Fairfield and Hartford can get to would do super-well. Just put them in the NL and it’ll be fine.
One thing to note: I think that carving up the LA, NY, New England, and Bay areas is probably the most effective way to allow smaller-market teams to compete. I don’t really believe that the luxury tax is doing a whole lot to keep the Yankees and Dodgers from buying up all the best players. But what would happen if you put teams in New Jersey and Connecticut and San Jose and someplace in the general LA blob is that you would cut into these mega-market TV contracts while also simultaneously dramatically increasing the number of people who can and will attend games.
This, BTW, is why it probably won’t happen this way. The Giants have already blocked the A’s from moving to San Jose, and there’s no reason to think the Yankees would be thrilled about a team siphoning eyeballs from TV sets in Jersey City. But it’s a much more organic way of creating competition in markets rather than capping spending.
We should have six teams in LA. The EPL has 6-7 teams from London in a given year (and it will probably be more going forward).
Agree. NY/LA/Chicago/Canada should all have two more teams. Not every team needs to be a Juggernaut and chipping away at the huge markets, and adding new ones would support parity
More Chicago teams! let’s get our city average up to 400 losses a year!
WE CAN DO IT!
Chicago and Toronto are the two large cities where I’m not sure they can support another team. But I do think that Vancouver or Calgary would work well (Calgary is also pretty rich). And Montreal, if you’re willing to overlook the fact that no English-speaking person will want to live there.
That’s quite an exaggeration. French is the standard, but everyone still does speak English, just a touch resentfully. It’s a really lovely city, especially in the summer, so a MLB player there would escape the winters anyways.
To visit Montreal, English is fine. To live there, it’s really hard to deal if you don’t speak French, because services for newcomers are all going to be in French from here on out. I suppose the new iteration of the Expos could just hire translators to deal with most of it. As long as you don’t have to go to the hospital it’ll probably be fine, but maybe the Expos would just set up their own private concierge service?
I suppose there are probably workarounds if you want to throw enough money at it but it’s not fantastic.
Or, much like we expect every non-American to do, those players could learn another language?
Sure but that’s literally the privilege of growing up in the United States. How much money do you have to get paid to give that up? It will not be a popular place to sign.
Are you comparing learning a language useful on all 30 teams vs. learning a language useful on 1 team?
As someone who lived in Montreal when English was cool and visited post, I can def say that the way English is viewed now is entirely different than it was prior.
If you go by official metro areas, “the inland empire” (Riverside-San Bernadino CA) at number 12 is the biggest without any professional sports teams. The Dodgers are pretty dominant in that area though, so it’d be a while before a team would be able to compete I think.
by the numbers, the others in the top 30 without baseball teams are:
Charlotte (22nd biggest)
Orland (23rd)
San Antonio (24)
Portland (25)
Sacremnto (26)
Austin (28)
and Las Vegas (29)
Take out Orlando, though, as the Marlins and Rays have proven that a summer sport like MLB just can’t draw well when the people with the most money in the Snowbird State don’t actually live there during most of the season.
While I tend to agree on Orlando, I wonder if there IS a way it could work.
Lots of families going to Disney, Universal, SeaWorld, etc all through the year. If you somehow tied the MLB team into some of that, could you get tourists to go to the MLB games? I.E., would Yankees fans go to a Yankees game at Disney Field in Orlando while visiting Disney or even prefer going to Orlando during a Yankees 3-4 game set, so they could catch them.
Obviously, there are negatives there & it may end up like the LA Chargers with half the attending fans rooting for the road team, but, I think it COULD work?
The “Inland Empire Suburban Sprawl” is a name just waiting to be taken!
I actually think it could work out there too.
My experience in the IE is that it’s Angels territory. it’s easier to get to than Dodger Stadium and more family oriented pricing.
I think an MLB team in Long Beach would be fun, especially if marketed correctly. LAFC is hugely popular despite the Galaxy being around forever.
From 2002-2012ish the Angels did very well in at least the western IE. But when they quit winning and the Dodgers started, that changed some things. I do think they could support their own team
Portland I feel is an obvious landing spot. It is not as big as some places, but Portland always draws fans. Never won’t.
My 36 team proposal with some league realignment for slightly more geographically centered divisions:
AL East:
New York Yankees
Toronto Blue Jays
Boston Red Sox
Baltimore Orioles
Montreal Expos
Carolina Aviators (Charlotte)
NL East:
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Washington Nationals
Miami Marlins
Tampa Bay Rays
AL Central:
Minnesota Twins
Chicago White Sox
Kansas City Royals
Cleveland Guardians
Detroit Tigers
Texas Rangers
NL Central:
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago Cubs
St Louis Cardinals
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates
Nashville Stars
AL West:
Seattle Mariners
Oakland Athletics
Los Angeles Angels
Portland Jacks
Las Vegas 51s
Colorado Rockies
NL West:
Los Angeles Dodgers
San Francisco Giants
San Diego Padres
Arizona Diamondbacks
Houston Astros
San Antonio Defenders
A couple alternates that could make sense:
New Jersey Atlantics (Newark/Jersey City area) instead of the Expos. Maybe that would also work in the New Haven area.
A Vancouver team instead of Portland.
I also think an El Paso/Juarez team would be interesting instead of San Antonio/Austin as a way to draw more interest in the MLB from Mexico, but I’m guessing the economics probably aren’t very good there.
My hope is that the Astros, Rangers, and a new Texas team or two create a big enough center of gravity so they’re not in the same division as teams on Pacific Time. It’s been a while since I’ve lived on central or pacific time but I remember how miserable it was.
There needs to be a Southern Division with the Florida teams (maybe just one if the Rays move), a Carolina team, Nashville, and Atlanta.
Austinite here, booooo
We have bigger corporations (Tesla, Oracle), a bigger GDP, and more income per capita than San Antonio. Austin > San Antonio.
Call us the Austin Yuppie Hipster Fucks
Connecticut is way too small of a potential market no matter the individual wealth of the residents (just ask the former Hartford Whalers), I can’t see a 3rd Bay Area team working with all the problems Oakland already has, and there’s no way for Ohio to support a third team in Columbus, but the rest are pretty viable markets.
I can’t see all of them getting a team anytime soon, though, just two or four plus maybe another if the Rays finally do the smart thing and leave the Snowbird State.
Spanish and Japanese and Korean and Dutch speaking free agents would be fine in Montreal then
Not if Montreal’s coaches use English! If they had the entire minor league system in Quebec and the coaches all spoke French and that was how the team was going to operate then yes, it would be great. But that’s not going to happen. And even if it was, it wouldn’t work once they were traded to another team, or decided they wanted to leave. Going to Montreal would necessitate learning two languages instead of one!
(There’s also this truly weird thing about the new laws where it’s not all that clear if you could even call balls and strikes in English, although I’m pretty confident the Quebec legislature would amend it if they thought they could get a team)
I have actually thought a lot about expansion, not so much for baseball but more NBA which was my number one sports as a kid. And my own conclusion is that it’s perfectly fine, with one caveat, which is how much does a fandom care for “not winning a championship.” Because to me that’s the only true big issue with expansion, is that every year there will be more teams that don’t win the championship. And does that become untenable? After all, right now assuming equal odds, you will see a championship for your team once every 30 years. Or essentially maybe 2 times in your life time. That’s already pretty low. Now imagine if it’s more 1 out of 40 or 50.
Otherwise I don’t have issues. Talent dilution is a stupid argument IMO. Because it’s clear teams are able to find more and more talent on the peripherals than before. And with expansion, MLB teams try even harder to get talents overseas, in Latin America, and in player development to try to get more out of any player’s talent. Sure, the Mike Trouts of the new MLB will beast even more, but so what? Babe Ruth played in a segregated era and no one is putting asterisks over his stats. If the next Trout puts up 15 WAR then he puts up 15 WAR. People can still say “Well Trout 1.0 was better because this stat shows the average play during his days was higher than Trout 2.0.” It’s the type of arguments us fans like to argue anyways.
Also to me baseball is probably one of the better sports to expand, because it’s less reliant on national games than the other sports, and fans don’t have to know what’s happening with the other teams. It’s fine to just know your own division of 5-10 teams however they want to break it up. I know growing up before interleague play, I pretty much just knew about 7-8 teams, my own team (Astros), the entire division, and then the Braves who kicked our asses in the playoffs every year and the Yankees cause Yankees. I still continued to be a fan and now writing random stuff on the internet for this hobby. Even during the LAstros years I never ventured much out in terms of actually watching other matchups. But I have followed other teams more peripherally.
So yeah, expand away IMO. But if it gets too big I think something like dividing the season into 2 parts so we have a part 1 champion, part 2 champion, and then “overall champion” or something like that so fans can have more stuff to hang on to, at least IMO.
As a Guardians fan, I have to ask: “What is this “winning a championship” thing you refer to? Is that something new that baseball recently came up with?
As an A’s fan I have to respond that it’s something bestowed upon us every 1 or 40 years
Lucky you.
Cleveland is at, what? 74?
(Yeah, Jose Mesa going with his third best pitch.)
Is your team winning a championship once in your lifetime relevant to your fandom? If you’re 40 and they won when you were ten, how does that effect you now?
More teams should mean that we should celebrate the interim accomplishments more. Winning your division, winning your League, these are things that would be a lot more satisfying with more teams.
Also, I find Championship culture just awful. At some point, it became insufficient to just enjoy watching a good team.
As a Braves fan, by 2005 I thought “man, I wish they sucked instead of breaking my heart every year”. Then I suffered through the bad teams and realized that it’s the journey. I’d rather have a good team to watch/follow for 11.5 months of the year with hope and aspirations with heartbreak than a terrible team. The championship feeling from last year feels good, but I would already by over it if they were terrible this year.
TL;DR, I agree with you. Winning the division, being good, etc is worth celebrating.
I’m with you. Championship would be great, but in the MLB you have to be a good team and get lucky. Sometimes it will all align, most times it won’t. Dodgers are one of the GOAT teams this season, yet without checking I would guess maybe 1/5 in winning the WS. Other sports the best team are more likely to win it all, and a lot of casual fans think the best teams won in baseball, but we know that isn’t the case.
With an expanded league, I think they’d have to go back to “unbalanced,” division-heavy schedules again. First, because otherwise you just get barely more than one series per team, and second as you point out, it makes it more viable to follow the subset of your team’s division.
Honestly, I think you are right. This talent dilution argument to me is silly.. there may be a significant difference between the best players and AAA, but not much of a difference between the guys lower on the totem pole. Plenty of guys go up and down frequently, and there are plenty of relief pitchers in AAA who can now have a full-time job and still bring that Rob Friedman style stuff.
Kooky expansion notions aside, I’m always here for “Airplane!” clips.
As a near-Nashville resident, I would be interested to see how the local fanbase would split up if the city landed a team. It’s a Braves stronghold now with a decent contingent of Reds and Cardinals fans as well, but I wonder how a new team would chip away at the Atlanta fanbase (built over years of being the most proximate option as well as through SuperStation TBS back in the day).
The Titans came in and got a fast stranglehold over the local NFL fanbase, but there was no established connection with the Falcons or any other team. Ditto the Predators although there remains a contingent of Red Wings fans here from Detroiters relocating to Nashville when General Motors shifted production south in the 1990s.
One potentially positive outcome of a 6 team expansion would be a re balancing between pitching and hitting. With the current 30 MLB rosters, almost every team has 2 quality starters and solid bullpens. Contenders tend to have at least 3 quality starters and deep bullpens. I think an expansion would dilute the pitching far more than it would dilute the hitting. Superstars would rake, and even replacement level players might be able to eke out more contributions on a major league squad. I don’t think it would dramatically impact the quality of the sport, as we have more than enough minor league players capable of fielding and baserunning at an MLB level. We just might return more to the 90’s style for a bit where pitchers really only had to worry about the top half of the line-up as much.
I seriously doubt it’d dilute pitching more than hitting instead of possibly the other way around.
We already regularly see rookie pitchers seemingly taking less time to acclimate to MLB than rookie hitters. Indeed, that’s partly why/how MLB pitching has grown stronger to overpower the hitting in recent years.
What might happen is expansion could also weaken MLB positional player defenses, not just dilute pitching, enough to help offensive production… and yet, that might not necessarily be what we’d wanna see, ie. less competent fielding defense.
Well, the new rule to substantially limit defensive shifts should likely help offensive production some. And some suspect the pitch clock, etc might also help a little… though who knows…
“We already regularly see rookie pitchers seemingly taking less time to acclimate to MLB than rookie hitters. Indeed, that’s partly why/how MLB pitching has grown stronger to overpower the hitting in recent years.”
I’m not sure this is true. Sure you have the Spencer Striders of the world but you also have Julio Rodriguez, rutschman, and michael harris coming in and being successful pretty much right away.
Kyle Wright took several seasons before he was effective. You could find examples either way.
This would be a fascinating off-season article. What types of players adjust to the bigs the fastest?
“America, like Leon from Airplane, is getting larger.”
I like you.
I appreciate the argument for 48, but I think 36 maybe makes more sense. Personally, I’d add teams in Portland, Vancouver, Montreal, New Orleans, Nashville, and Las Vegas. My criteria for city selection is, however, almost entirely about how much I enjoy the cities and would therefore like them to have baseball teams. Austin and Charlotte have decent arguments for MLB teams too, but 1) texas already has two franchises, both of which are annoying already, no need for a trifecta and 2) North Carolina has an incredible density of affiliated minor league teams, second-most of any state after Florida (ignoring the fall/complex leagues). Putting a major league team there could work, but it might kill some of those minor league teams in the process. I’m partial to the uniquely decentralized layout of pro baseball there, and I’d like to see it continue.
You really cannot compare to Europe. Teams not playing for a title always play for something meaningful: Qualification for European competition, against relegation, for promotion. If you don’t have that it doesn’t work.
Coming from Bremen, Germany and of course living and dying with local football (!) club Werder the games always mean something. Many years fighting off relegation, last year getting promoted again from second league to the Bundesliga. You will not have that if your local team plays out the string year after year.
The problem here is opposite. The top teams have become too dominant. Nobody gives a damn anymore about Germany championship because Bayern Munich has won 10 years (!) in a row. Not even Bayern fans can fake getting excited for that.
to me this question comes down to how do you sell a dying sport? It has virtually no national cachet– but has become a niche product in local markets– some of them extremely successful, some bouncing back and forth, some barely hanging on. I suppose by adding markets you ramp up those elements– assuming that in virtually no time those markets will a) build the stadia necessary to host the sport and b) overcome decades of lessening interest in the sport to begin with. I am skeptical. Younger people with disposable income in these underserved areas simply dont give a damn about baseball– it is 4th at best behind the NFL, College Football, the NBA… soccer probably has a better opportunity right now to succeed. I think you make your stand at 30.. or 32… and play out the long slow decline as best you can.
I hesitate to use the word ‘dying’ because when something is dying it will most likely eventually be dead. I don’t think baseball will disappear, but regardless of a variety of metrics I don’t feel that the entire audience of the sport is going to support expansion, mainly because it feels like the main demographics of the fanbase of the sport are probably 40+. Someone with better research abilities than I may find a resource to refute that, but I can definitely say that the NFL and NBA are reaping the younger audience’s attention.
I dunno about MLB or the NFL but the NBA’s ratings are down 50% from a couple years ago. Things are really bad for them right now.
The china BS really hurt them and (as much as I hate to say it) not having LeBron on a good team outside a weird COVID season probably does too. (And LeBron’s involvement in both those things is rather paradoxical….)
The NFL has many of the problems with younger fans that MLB does. Plus, the NFL has this longer term health issue hanging over its head. Fewer and fewer kids are playing football, the question will be, when will that matter for adults watching the sport. It is increasingly turning into a gladiator-type event where very few participate in it recreationally, but still tune in to watch.
If I had to bet how this goes in the next 20 years, I think baseball and soccer see the biggest gains (or least decreases, if that’s the case). The NBA could right the ship and their younger audience could power them to growth, but I am not sure that happens without a change in league leadership.
As an NBA fan, I’d argue the biggest issue they have right now is that the regular season just doesn’t really matter. All the good teams reach the postseason and once you’re there, seeding doesn’t matter so much, talent wins out. Like with LeBron’s last stint on the Cavs, they were only the 1 seed once but they still went to the finals every year.
But even NBA finals ratings have collapsed to about half what they were in peak Warriors-Cavs rivalry years. That’s even with arguably the sports second most popular player in the finals trying to prove he could do it without KD and going against one of the sport’s marquee franchises. I agree the regular season is a joke in the NBA. It actually benefits teams to rest their players for long stretches of the season. The sport is just too taxing on the body and they play way too many games when adding in the very long postseason (4 7-game series… oy). And that’s part of the problem, but it’s far from the only problem and it’s not the biggest problem they have either. I really can’t tell you how many fairly avid basketball fans I know that haven’t watched a single game since the Daryl Morey incident. The media doesn’t want to acknowledge the significance of that, but many ordinary fans sure don’t forget.
People have been saying that baseball is dying for over a hundred years.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/08/29/baseball-is-dying-history
Sell it by making regional rivalries. People love local competition. 14 teams in NY/NJ/Penn/CT/MD/Ohio and similar in the Great Lakes would be great fun and get fans moving
This would be an interesting reversal of the tack that college football is on.
I completely agree with this. If you look outside of the US, the “derby” matches in Soccer (a London team vs another London team, for example) is always high intensity.
I don’t think the “dying” is inevitable. It’s a matter of getting kids to play the sport. Since the mlb draft teams simply don’t invest in their local youth leagues
It’s not dying internationally, is it? Baseball games in other countries are hype. It’s so much more energetic. One example of a team matching their vibe is the Braves when they turn the lights out and everyone pulls out the lights on their phones and chants. It’s the closest thing I’ve seen to games in Latin America.
Everyone talks about how baseball/MLB is dying when it is the second-biggest league on the planet by revenue. The NFL stands alone, but MLB still takes in $10B a year— $2-3B clear of the NBA, similarly or better clear of any soccer league, well clear of college football or MLS. If you summed up the revenue of all major soccer leagues it’d be on top, sure, but even by that measure baseball is no. 3 globally. They’re doing great financially.
Just want to say thank you for including DC in your list of “States”
Someday it will happen for us…
have you seen the supreme court, gerrymandered maps, and how the electoral college currently favors a homogenous 40% of the country over the more representative 60%?
attendance in Nashville would be abysmal after the initial shine wore off. Everyone already loves Atlanta, STL or Cincy down there. It took the Predators about 15 years to develop a fan base capable of buying enough tickets to thwart the constant threat of a move to Canada
hopefully Nashville doesn’t get a team if they do expand, the city doesn’t deserve it
I think the difference between the Predators and a baseball team is that hockey was a completely new sport to Nashville. It took a while for people to even understand the rules of the game. Although to your point, it took a deep championship run before the the Predators were fully embraced. The Titans went to the Superbowl their first year in Nashville so they were embraced pretty immediately.
Strong disagree – hockey has always been a more northerly pursuit to begin with, yet (like many markets) Predators fans do show up if the product is half-decent – most recently with the 4th highest average attendance in 2021-22 even though the team was quite middling. This doesn’t make them a great fan base by any stretch, but neither does it make them an unusual or bad fanbase either.
Baseball is already very strong in the area even without a team – as you said there are plenty of fans of other teams already here, not to mention large fanbases for baseball factory Vanderbilt, plus UT-Knoxville, etc. No doubt they would outdraw (as a % of capacity) plenty of other teams – again this wouldn’t make them a great fanbase immediately but they doubtlessly wouldn’t be among MLB’s half-dozen biggest headaches.
Love the idea of an expansion. Yes please
Look at Europe as an example: Scotland, population 5.5million has 20 professional football teams; England at 60 million closer to 100. If you were to agglomerate several European Nations to a similar population as USA/Canada you would hundreds. Baseball is missing out horribly on multiple closer rivalries, and the differences in sporting culture that would develop with many, many more teams
The problem is these teams won’t generate net new revenue for the league. They’ll mostly steal revenue from existing teams. It’s not like there are millions of fans dying to watch baseball on TV but not able to find any. To generate attendance, extra teams in existing markets, are going to have to make their tickets much cheaper, and that too will partially cannibalize existing teams.
You’re going end up with 60% more teams and players, and 20% more total league revenue, so either the existing teams get a lot poorer, or the new teams are run on shoestring.
My best is you’d have 4-6 successful teams and 10-12 like a poor man’s version of the Pirates and Marlins living off shared revenue, and not caring if they win.
What would probably happen would involve 200% more players earning a salary higher than set now, and the top earners taking home less. More players earning a good wage is undoubtedly a good thing
I’m not sure that’s true given the talent distribution. The top earners would be by definition even further away from league average in an expanded league. Their WAR would go up and we’d see most of the additional roster spots filled with current replacement level people being forced to make league minimums or compete with existing fringe major leaguers for contracts. I suspect it would only polarize the earnings distribution sport further. Especially since now most of these new teams have no existing fan base to increase league revenues as snapper said. So you’re just splitting the same pie more ways and the new slices are all very, very small ones.
I know the joke was Greenville but MLB could make a ROTATING Springfield team. It already has a name and mascot and history!
Plus an owner not afraid to spend to get some absolute top-shelf talent: Griffey, Clemens, Boggs, Ozzie, Mattingly, Canseco, Strawberry, Steve Sax, Mike Scioscia…
I think MLB will move out of Oakland (Vegas Atletics!) before they add, and any expansion will probably just be MORE teams in major cities because billionaires are not going to want to want to found a team in medium/small market unless they are tied to that market biographically. Just a gut feeling, though- did not do any research because this is the comments section and I don’t have to!
Vegas is balking at building them a stadium also. They may have to look farther afield
I dreamt there was a Major League team that played its home games in my front yard outside my bedroom window. If we go to 48 teams, that may become a reality.
My main issue with this is that it would dilute the talent in the league even further and considering how many teams there are right now that are just plain noncompetitive it would really skew things even more. You also mentioned adding even more teams in high population areas that already have teams like New York and SoCal. The issue with that is that I don’t think you’re gonna have a dedicated fanbase. Baseball fans of that area already have a team and they’re unlikely to switch and I think it’s unlikely that a new baseball franchise ignites enough new fans to supply those baby franchises with dedicated fans for their first few years of absolute suckitude. Thirty teams is a lot already and there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with having a large fanbase with a large population.
MLB could expand to 90 teams and would still have access to more talent when factoring in population, integration, and international talent compared to 100 years ago. Ultimately, it’s not simply about talent, but as the author alludes to, it about competitive balance and the overall product. Can an increasing level of small- to mid-market teams compete with big-market teams?
Perhaps MLB is looking at this the wrong way. Maybe they should go about creating a third league, one that’s part of MLB, but is seperate from the NL and AL and is the entry league for new teams. Once established, it could even open up the concept of relegation. There would eventually be excitement when stars from this new league move to the AL or NL, or, gasp, some stars from the AL and NL opt to sign in the new league. There should be a way for MLB to expand its brand and expand its product without diluting the NL and AL initially. Could they even use this concept internationally too?
Regardless, MLB is overdue for expansion and perhaps even a redistribution of a couple of teams. Having a MLB team shouldn’t guarantee lifetime membership to the club if population density and migration shifts over the decades.
Except that 100 years ago ther NFL and NBA and NHL were not in existence
Wow the owners would never even consider relegation but it would be pretty fantastic.
I have to think the MLBPA would also be pretty against it.
Population and geographical considerations notwithstanding, the overall caliber of play in MLB is worse than ever. Adding teams just dilutes the quality of the product even more. If MLB expands, two additional teams – for a total of 32 – is plenty. That’d provide for two 16-team leagues, each with four 4-team divisions. The four division winners from each league (8 of 32, or 25% of all MLB teams) would qualify for the playoffs (presently 12 of 30, or 40% of all MLB teams qualify for the playoffs).
If MLB would want more than only division-winners qualifying for the playoffs, there could be two wildcard teams in each league (the two non-division-winners with the best records) for 12 of 32, or 38% of all MLB teams qualifying for the playoffs, or four wildcard teams in each league (the four division runners-up) for 16 of 32, or 50% of all MLB teams qualifying for the playoffs. Having more than 50% of all MLB teams qualifying for the playoffs would cheapen the playoffs – and the regular season – too much.
“the overall caliber of play in MLB is worse than ever.”
–citation missing and needed
“The overall quality of play in MLB is worse than ever” seems to be a common refrain in these comments. Citation needed – that assertion is absurd.
There is no way the overall quality of play is worse than in the 1930s. Injuries are way up though
I’m pretty sure the 2022 Nationals would dominate 1930’s MLB.
The pitching in MLB these days is the best it’s ever been
Since the NL & AL no longer have rule differences, I’m realigning the leagues.
I’m creating a “West” and an “East” league. You can almost quite neatly split them up based on time zone: there are 14 teams in eastern time, so you’d have to grab one team from central time (e.g. Milwaukee, St. Louis, Houston, Cubs, or White Sox). However, if they expanded into say Charlotte and Nashville, you’d have 16 teams in eastern time and 16 in central/mountain/pacific.
Then, I’m scrapping divisions. Each team plays each of the other teams in its league 8 times (4 home/4 away). Series are now 4 games instead of 3 to cut down on travel.
Interleague: teams play their natural rival 8 times per year. They play 6 other rotating interleague teams, but only 4 times per year (2 home / 2 away perhaps.)
So that works out to
8 games against each 15 other league teams = 120 games
8 games against natural interleague rival = 8 games
4 games against 6 rotating interleague teams = 24 games
total games per season = 152 games.
I’ve cut the season by 10 games to reduce fatigue (for both fans’ attention spans and players’ health). The season still starts April 1, but no games are scheduled in cold-weather cities for the first week each year to avoid snow-outs. The playoffs then start approx last week of September, which avoids the ridiculous situation of having the most important games of the season take place in 30-degree weather.
The top 4 teams in each league make the playoffs, and play a standard bracket. Three 7-game series: Quarterfinals, LCS, and World Series.
Actually, since in my proposition the leagues are split geographically, there’s no such thing as interleague natural rivals anymore. So the interleague games would be tweaked, but the rest remains the same.
You can’t do all 4-game series in a week with 7 days (plus off days). The schedule is the way it is so that the teams have a weekend series every week.
You could do this by having a bunch of these be 5/3 splits home and away. Technically you could also do this with a few 2-game series as well, but it would be awkward and probably result in long times between off days and then 2 consecutive off days.
The other strong argument for expansion has been the massive contraction of minor league baseball teams. There used to be over 400 minor league teams and now there are only 120; including the independent leagues, there are 192. That’s about how many teams there were in the 50’s when the population was about half of what it is now.
That said, the problem with expansion is not population or talent or even expansion fees. Its payroll. There are not enough untapped North American markets that can support payrolls on par with the Yankees, Dodgers and other big spenders.
The problem with playoff races is not the number of teams, but the number of games. The difference a winning percentage of 55 vs 60 is 8 games in the MLB but less than 1 in the NFL.
Le sigh. It’s truly disappointing that it got some digital ink. I’ll waste my time as well:
The most practical argument against baseball’s hyperexpansion is due to the length of its season. Imagine being a team in Greenville, South Carolina for your 80th home game and seeing 900 people in the stands and half of them are there because the local sandwich shop had a partnership that gave out tickets to the front row for their loyalty program of residents buying enough turkey subs.
The ‘social fabric’ that allows teams to be profitable is perhaps best exemplified here in the U.S. by college athletics. The biggest stadiums in our country are in tiny college towns because people have an attachment to the university and the local community that took well over a hundred years to cultivate. And, of course, college football is typically the only sport that is profitable to most universities because they only play a half dozen or so home games. What works in Lincoln, Nebraska for football certainly wouldn’t work in Riverside, California for baseball.
The time he referred to when MLB followed demographic trends was now 60-70 years ago – long before the entrenched loyalties that stem from decades of fandom. Those are new next to is now irreversible. Good luck trying to get someone in Birmingham to throw away their Braves gear. Ditto for someone in greater San Antonio to throw away their Rangers cap.
MLB does need at least two teams, but come on now… Baseball is the very worst sport to add several teams at once in mid-size cities because it plays every day. Trying to spring up new loyalties overnight in several places all at once where these smaller cities would have to support a team for six straight months day in and day out is absolutely asinine.
Neither the As nor Rays can get their current cities, or any other city, to build them a new ballpark, and you’re imagining 6 or 10 or 20 more cities are going to line up to build major league caliber parks for upwards of a billion bucks? Please.
Cities that want MLB teams already have them.
I’m dying for Nashville to get a team. It’s the second fastest growing city next to Austin and can definitely support another sports franchise. One potential problem, though, is it would pull fans from the Braves, Cardinals, and even the Reds.
I think Braves and Cards fans would be tough to dislodge; those allegiances run pretty deep and their recent successes contribute to that. A severe and sustained malaise seems to run through the Reds fanbase at present (and pretty deservedly so)
Alternative idea to expand baseball more widely: play an 81 game season then move to global competition. Host an Asian series, then Latin series, then an American series.
This might put entertainment just behind defense dollars in the national budget. Sounds about right for where we’re at?
The MLB seems to be pumping money and talent into the NCAA and KBO, I imagine growth for those two especially NCAA will cover a ton of this ground for the sport
You see there’s Defense, Social Security, Health, Housing, Education, Silly Walks… they’re all supposed to get the same. But last year, the Government spent less on the Ministry of Silly Walks than it did on National Defense.
Call it whatever makes everyone feel comfortable and safe. The priority should be the taxpayers pay the bills for sports teams and our lords above get the profits
“The thing about humanity is: There’s a lot of us, and we keep reproducing. That’s as true in the U.S. as it is anywhere else. ”
Uh, sorry to be bearer of modern demgraphic data but: NO.
Outside of Africa and maybe India most dveloped and developing countries have hit their peak population. Most of Europe is in decline, Russia and China are on a path to halve their population by mid century.
The US is admittedly in better shape than most but any growth will be very slow.
Mathus was completely wrong. He didn’t factor in the economics of urbanization.
To paraphrase a currently popular geopolitical expert: on the farm children are free labor –the more the merrier–but in the city kids are expensive time sinks. And that is for people who actually want any.
Forgot to mention that Japan, Korea, and most of Asia is also in deep population decline.
For many countries this decline is actually maximizing the survivability of their economies.
You have some points, but it is still true for the United States and the global population as a whole. Even those growth rates will eventually hit their limits, but it won’t happen any time soon.
As to expansion, the only remotely like ly expansion is to 32.
The optimal expansions, after Oakland and Tampa move, would be New Jersey, and Inland Empire but it is doubtful the existing franchises controlling the territorial rights would allow it.
The same applies to Charlotte and Portland.
Rather than San Antonio, I would look to Austin because of all the corporate HQs they are attracting.
So 32 teams without Tampa or Oakland, but with Austin, Inland Empire, Las Vegas, and (pick your poison) Montreal/Calgary/Nashville. The latter is most likely but Calgary has oil money.
If you could override the Yanks/Mets/Dodgers/Phillies 36 might flow by 2040.
40? Not this generation, if ever.
I think Calgary is one of the few expansion opportunities with a truly untapped market. The prairie provinces and BC have already shown they’re willing to decently support a team as far away as Toronto. Add a team that’s within a possible driving distance and I think you’ll see that support explode
Calgary is actually quite a lovely place with a lot of very well-off people. I think it’s up to a million people now? It could definitely support a team.
1.2M.
The metro area only goes to 1.3M.
What helps them is the oil money and no team closer than Minnesotta to contest the region.
I’ve been saying Calgary for a while. I thought I was the only one. It seems to be a big enough market and evens out the travel/geographic divide. Obviously a retractable dome takes weather out of the equation.
There are no territorial ownership rights outside of the local metro areas, so places like Charlotte and Portland would be fine.
MLB should follow the Subway model and collect franchise fees.
You certainly know how to get the people going, non-Oriole Michael Baumann.
The Natinals were taken, not borrowed. Give them back if it’s just a borrowed team.
“de facto quad-A competitions”
The Pacific Coast League was actually not just de facto but de jure quad-A, with an “Open” classification above AAA from 1952-1957.
I didn’t even have to read the whole thing (I did), to know the premise is right. I’ve been saying for years that mlb needs to expand. It’s certainly not for a lack of talent.. we’re way overdue for expansion. I couldn’t believe it wasn’t part of this last labor negotiation. That was a big missed opportunity.
It’s clearly about the cartel structure. But that too is foolish. A rising tide lifts all boats. Just the fact that it’s the only game in town during the summer months sets it apart and basically guarantees it’s success.
To the issue of lack of celebrations because of too many teams (too many years between titles for most teams), you could do things with the format like split it into multiple leagues like npb or have 1st half and 2nd half division winners for example.
Rob Manfred has done nothing to grow the game and the mandate is so clearly just to do whatever he can to enrich the 30 owners in the short run at whatever the long term cost.
Think about all the jobs that 2 new franchises would create. Start with Portland and Montreal. And then add 4 more – Charlotte, Nashville (or Memphis), San Antonio and Calgary. 36 is a great round number and divisible into 6 teams in 6 divisions.
You expect Seattle and Atlanta to roll over and play dead? They make money off their entire region.
Thought-provoking article. I dont know if there are more than 6 cities that could support another team. Maybe 8. Then maybe 10 if you add another team to NY & LA areas.
I’m a little skeptical of cities like Portland and Vancouver supporting baseball teams well because people in those cities are more supportive of the arts and activism than sports. Would they really support an 81-game schedule.
Also, Orlando is *big enough* to support a team, but then so are Miami & Tampa Bay areas but both struggle to draw.
I think you could put teams in Charlotte, San Antonio, Montreal and *maybe* Salt Lake City. Four teams.
If the “cartel” of owners wanted to (they wouldn’t!) you could add a teams in Long Island and Inland Empire. That’s six.
People talk about Vegas and you could get tourists to go to games, but how much real local fandom would there be?
The pipe dream scenario would be adding 10 cities and having the extra four be Portland, Vancouver, Vegas and Orlando.
“People talk about Vegas and you could get tourists to go to games, but how much real local fandom would there be?”
Based on the bulk of crowds at Faders games wearing colors other than silver and black?
Not much at all.
I knew it would be as soon as I saw the announcement, but I’ll state it explicitly here: Baumann was a great get for FanGraphs
Eh, I’d be happy if they just add 2 teams. I might be in the minority, but I think 1 of those teams should be somewhere in-between San Antonio and Austin. There’s 5 million people in those two cities combined, they are growing fast, and they are barely more than an hour apart.
The other cities – Montreal, Portland, Nashville, Charlotte.Vegas
I suppose that’s enough to expand to 36, but I really doubt they’d ever add that many teams at once.
It’ll definitely take a visionary leader.. and there isn’t one in place right now.
I love how you turned this into a commentary on some aspects of American culture!
Some fun ideas here, but I think the fact that all of the major American big leagues have like 30-32 teams kind of says something, like much more than that and it becomes difficult for fans to keep track of all the teams/action or something.
I think it mostly comes down to when the national TV market is saturated and most people have a team ‘close enough’ to call their own. Like people in Las Vegas can claim the Dodgers or Giants or DBacks, I suppose. Nashville can claim the Braves. Portland can claim the Mariners…. how important would it be to actually have stadiums in those locations drawing middling to bad attendance numbers if total TV viewership doesn’t go up? I think not much.
They don’t need to build colossal 50,000 seat stadiums for those markets, when 35,000 would do.
Population by itself is not at a great metric for TAM. San Francisco has a bigger economy than Mississippi and Alabama combined. Even the Milwaukee metro by itself has an economy about the same size as Mississippi’s. Many of the southern states haven’t been selected because there just isn’t any money there.
Look at income per capita, major corporations in the area, GDP, etc. The south (especially the deep south) isn’t full of teams because it’s not economically viable.
Nashville, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, Portland, then one of Austin or San Antonio (they’re 90 minutes away so you probably wouldn’t want to put a team in each right away) are probably the only viable new cities.
Realistically, another team in New York is probably the safest bet. NYC can handle 2 more teams, then the Bay Area (San Jose) and L.A. each getting one more team as well.
I respect the argument and appreciate the discussion, but I think there are too many teams already. If I wanted to watch AAA players, then I could just do that. Most people do not want to do that. They won’t support the major league team unless it is winning. They won’t go to games if the team can’t make the playoffs. Get down to 24 teams with an 8 team playoff. In that environment, most teams would have a lot of talent and would be competitive through a good part of the season. And most teams would not be that far away from contention, so there really would always be next year.
I’m pretty sure that at least one fundamental change in MLB would be that it would go from a league in which literally any team can win a game or a series against literally any other team, to a league in which that is basically no longer the case. And from a league in which every small market team has its occasional season in the sun, to a league in which that no longer happens.
Yes, changes are needed in MiLB, but that’s what needs to be fixed. MLB doesn’t need 50 teams.
YES! AMEN! So on and so forth! Love this last paragraph “To give up on wanting or hoping for something simply because capitalism says it’s impractical strikes me as a joyless and unimaginative approach to thinking, living, and desiring.” I live in Portland, OR where the Portland Pickles summer collegiate team (in the West Coast League) has done an incredible job with gorilla marketing campaigns and a big social media presence. It feels like that barnstormer mentality is the way to drum up independent fanbases. And that sort of organic development feels like the only way to turn tides. Support your local independent teams and be the change you want to see in baseball!
As an addendum, the West Coast League which the Pickles are part of did just sign a developmental contract with MLB, so I guess MLB knows how to put out a fire when it sees one…
Regarding the South region being under-represented historically, much of it is weather related. It’s nice to watch a football game in October in Texas or NCAA baseball game in spring. Having gone to a Texas Rangers game once on a August day a few years back, it was miserable experience of melting in the sun. Domes are changing that but it’s still not the same as sitting outside, soaking up a nice pleasant sunny summer day up north.
Two 24 team divisions with relegation and promotion. Let’s gooooooo…..
Let’s see you tank your payroll now….
Or 4 12-team leagues with pro/rel. Each league plays a balanced 154-game schedule (seven games home and seven away against each other team). Best season record is the league champion and automatically promoted. Second through fifth place teams play two rounds of best-of-seven playoffs with the winner also being promoted; bottom two teams in each league are relegated. Top league has first-through-fourth place teams playing two best-of-seven rounds for the championship.
That gives 8 first-round and 4 second-round playoff series, so the “moar playoffs moar money” crowd will be happy. It also means a majority of teams will likely be playing meaningful games at the end of each season – 3-4 teams in each of the top 3 leagues trying to avoid relegation, 2-3 teams in each league contending for the top spot, and another 2-4 teams in each league fighting for a spot in the top 5 (or 4) for the end-of-season tournament, so the “a 154 game regular season should mean something” crowd will be happy.
I love you Mr. Baumann. 🧡☺️
I’d like to see an argument for a league of 48 teams that convinces Pirates fans who are 50 years old or younger let alone Mariners, Rockies, Brewers, Rays and Rangers fans of all ages.
One thing I thought a lot about during the last round of CBA discussions:
Why does the MLBPA accept any level of “competitive balance tax” when the owners are specifically not trying to compete with each other (i.e. in protected territory rights)? If it’s more financially advantageous for ownership not to compete for revenue from other markets, why should the players help pay for the resulting imbalance?
The league needs to have a team payroll floor with the same sort of progressive penalties that exist for the payroll ceiling or luxury tax.
Promotion and relegation.
Here here! And can’t Indiana get a dat gum team? Illinois has two, Ohio has two, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan have one apiece, can’t we Hoosiers get one measly team? Our fandom is carved up into fiefdoms loyal to the neighboring states. Give us a team! The first professional baseball game in America was in Fort Wayne for god’s sake.*
*Maybe, but just give us this one okay?
I don’t agree we should have expansion when we already have several teams not willing to spend.
Miami, Pittsburgh, tampa and oakland are having low payrolls every single year. Sure tampa and Oakland still had success due to creative front offices but still that is 4 teams never spending and 2 or 3 more that are often tanking.
Expansion will mean more tanking teams and more owners crying poor.
We don’t need more teams with an annual sub 120 million payroll, resolve those 4 teams first.
If you find a solution so that those 4 franchises have more decent payrolls then you can think about expansion but even then I’m sceptical unless you get some of the large teams to give up (sell?) their territorial rights so we can get another second large city team.
I don’t think a team in nashville, Charlotte, portland or las vegas could support a close to league average payroll. I especially don’t like the las vegas idea, that will be miami II (famous city but a lot of transplants and tourists with little interest in local baseball).
I kinda like montreal though even though the last montreal franchise failed. But not before tampa and Oakland and to a Lesser extend Pittsburgh and miami are “solved”.
I do think there is enough talent for more teams but not enough fan interest. Baseball is not dead like some naysayers are saying but the interest in baseball hasn’t grown proportionally to the population in the USA because there are simply more other things to do than 50 years ago. 50 or even 70 years ago there was no ufc and no computer games, so people had to watch baseball or football to do something but that is much more diverse now and people only have so much free time to spend.
Canada had only 23 million people in 1977 when it had two teams. The population is close to 39 million now, more than enough to support two teams (and support them well). Bring back the Expos!!!