The Rays Played a Pitcher at Third Base
Wednesday was a busy day for the Rays front office. First, they traded starter Nathan Eovaldi to the rival Red Sox. Then, they traded versatile righty Matt Andriese to the Diamondbacks. As I write this, Wednesday still has another few hours to go, so it’s possible they have even more in store, something you’ll have heard about by the time this post is published. Though the Rays are still incredibly north of .500, they’re not really in the hunt, so they’re shifting their priorities to the future. The nearer-term future, but the future nevertheless.
In the middle of the Rays’ busy Wednesday, there was a baseball game. It was a baseball game Eovaldi was scheduled to start. Based on that fact alone, the game was out of the ordinary, but it got stranger still. The Rays, of course, are the team that brought you the opener. They’re the team that used a catcher to protect a late lead. They’re the team that played a pitcher at first base. And now they’re also the team that played a pitcher at third base. These weren’t emergency circumstances the Rays were playing under. It was the same strategy as it was before, with Jose Alvarado. This time, it was Sergio Romo’s turn to head to a corner.
Alvarado is a lefty. When Kevin Cash moved him to first, the idea was to keep him in the game, but protect him from a righty. As you can imagine, this case was the same and the opposite. Romo is a righty. When Kevin Cash moved him to third, the idea was to keep him in the game, but protect him from a lefty. You understand the strategy, because the strategy isn’t new. Pitchers have sometimes occupied other positions. Besides Alvarado, we saw Joe Maddon play both Brian Duensing and Steve Cishek in the outfield. The twist here is the third-base part. That part is especially uncommon.
Romo entered in the eighth inning with the Rays up 3-1. While a sac fly narrowed the score to 3-2, he retired both Giancarlo Stanton and Gleyber Torres. The score remained 3-2 going into the ninth, and the Yankees had Greg Bird lined up to lead off. Bird’s a lefty, but Miguel Andujar was due next, and he’s a righty. Cash, then, made his decision. In came southpaw Jonny Venters, to try to get Bird out. Romo slid to the hot corner, so he’d be able to come back in and pitch.
This is Sergio Romo preparing to play the infield:
And, facing Bird, the Rays’ infield aligned in a shift:
That’s Romo, in the circle, if you needed the help. When Alvarado played first base, one factor was that Anthony Rendon was up, and he’s a fly-ball hitter who seldom hits a grounder or liner the other way. The same could be said of Bird, whose 2018 spray chart can be seen below:
It’s not that Bird can’t go the other way, but, when he goes the other way, he generally hits the ball in the air. A ball in the air would become the responsibility of the outfield. Usually, when pitchers move to temporarily play another position, they go to the grass, because pitchers have some kind of fly-ball-catching experience. Many of them like to shag in batting practice. And there’s just this sense that you could hide a bad defender in an outfield corner if you want. Playing the infield is just more complicated, and the ball gets on you faster. That may well be true, but balls in the air usually get sprayed. It’s the low batted balls that tend to stay to the pull side. One could make a very convincing argument playing Romo at third against Bird left the Rays minimally exposed.
Still, there was a chance. Bird could hit something off the end of the bat, or he could stay with a pitch away. And then there’s always the other possibility. Sometimes, an opportunistic lefty will try to bunt against the shift. Much like, oh, I don’t know, Greg Bird did against the Rays in the second inning on Wednesday.
Bird had already bunted once. The Rays were practically daring him to try it again. At the same time, maybe it wouldn’t be such a good idea after all. Not only was Romo guarding against the bunt, based on his positioning, but he also has his own experience fielding bunts from the mound. Pitchers have to deal with bunts in play all the time, frequently to the third-base side of the infield. The only difference for Romo would be that he’d have to charge in from further away, but pitchers charge bunts sometimes. Handling a bunt might be the one thing third-base Romo would be good at. I imagine he’d be less good against a hard shot to his side.
Bird never even flashed an attempt. He took the first pitch for a strike. He swung through the second pitch for another strike. Romo then got to participate in his own defensive shift:
Romo moved over, as the two-strike count almost nullified the chance of a bunt. Bird took a ball in the dirt, and then he put the ball in play. Somewhat predictably, he bounced a pull-side grounder.
Venters left the game, and Romo returned to the mound. Adeiny Hechavarria came in to play shortstop. Romo survived his adventure, and he became just the ninth pitcher in recorded baseball history to both pitch and play third base in the same game. Or should I say eighth pitcher — Dick Selma did it twice in April 1970. But this hadn’t happened in the majors since August 6, 1971, when Bill Wilson temporarily played third so that Joe Hoerner could pitch to Willie Stargell. Wilson’s manager was Frank Lucchesi, and he put a pitcher at third base three times in two years. There’s been nothing since. Romo was the first in almost a half-century.
Romo most looked like an infielder when he got Andujar to put the ball on the ground. His one chance to look like a third baseman came after he was a pitcher again:
That left Romo to face a switch-hitting Aaron Hicks, who reached on an error on a would-be double play. Righty Austin Romine popped out, which brought up lefty Brett Gardner. This lefty, Romo retired on what should’ve been ball four:
And so concluded the Rays’ narrow victory. In the eighth inning, Romo earned a hold, and in the ninth inning, Romo earned a save. Granted, that then took the hold away, because the rules are stupid, but the stats are also stupid, so it doesn’t really matter. Said Romo afterward:
“I go back to about 20 years ago, to junior college, I played a little third base,” Romo said. “Pretty interesting. The manager walks up to you and goes, ‘Hey, you’re going to third base.’ Just kind of looked at him, and said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘Just go to third base, we’ll let you know after that.’ … I was thinking, ‘Who’s batting? Bird’s up. So chest out, just knock it down, you’ve got a shot.'”
Romo called Wednesday afternoon’s game a “very, very fun game.”
Whenever I’ve thought about baseball becoming more experimental, I’ve usually assumed it would require entire-league buy-in. The Rays, however, offer evidence a team can do it on its own. Whether it’s a reflection of Cash, of the front office, or of the players themselves, the Rays are playing their own brand of baseball, and they seem to be enjoying it. At the very least, they seem to be willing participants. I don’t know exactly how smart it is to do something like play Sergio Romo at third base. I don’t know if that’s mathematically worth it. But we’re allowed to celebrate open-mindedness for its own sake. It can be a rare trait in this world. Certainly in this league.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.




This move also allowed Romo to get both a hold (for the 8th inning work) and a save (for his 9th inning appearance). Jeff, has this ever happened before? A save and hold for one player in the same game?
Jeff did cover this in the article:
“In the eighth inning, Romo earned a hold, and in the ninth inning, Romo earned a save. Granted, that then took the hold away, because the rules are stupid, but the stats are also stupid, so it doesn’t really matter.”
So no hold, just a save.
Has anyone else ever lost their hold because they later got a save? No idea but would likely be very rare.
The ESPN recap notes:
“Romo became the 11th pitcher to also play third base in the same game since 1908, and the first since Philadelphia’s Bill Wilson at Pittsburgh on Aug. 6, 1971, according to Baseball Reference.”
http://www.espn.com/mlb/recap?gameId=380725130
Read the whole article.
He did not address if this has happened before or if there is a way to search for it, which is why I asked.
Also Baseball Reference has this about holds: “A pitcher cannot get credit for a hold in a game in which he is credited with either a win or a save (except in the very exceptional situation where a pitcher moves to another position and later resumes pitching).” I guess I don’t see why he couldn’t be credited with both since he would get both if his two pitching appearances had been by two different people. Why not credit both even if it’s to a single person?
He did address it in the article:
“In the eighth inning, Romo earned a hold, and in the ninth inning, Romo earned a save. Granted, that then took the hold away, because the rules are stupid, but the stats are also stupid, so it doesn’t really matter.”
Earning a Save, negates a Hold. Pretty simple
No need to be dense about it, man. Just because the rule says a save negates a hold, doesn’t explain this situation. Do you always come here just to be a dick to other commenters?
Well it’s hard to say since holds are an unofficial statistic and not mentioned anywhere in the official rules.
So who gets to decide what is and isn’t a hold?
There was an article on Hardball Times earlier this year talking about the fact that both holds and blown saves are unofficial statistics and different entities have different definitions for them and therefore different totals. The article was more about blown saves but I’m pretty sure it mentioned that holds are an unofficial stat as well.
A pitcher enters the game in a non-save situation in the 8th inning and retires two batters. Then he switches to 3rd base and another pitcher yields a homer before getting the last out of the 8th. The first pitcher then pitches a perfect 9th preserving a 3-run lead. Is this a save? By the letter of the law I think it is not.
Interesting question. The official rules refer to when a pitcher “enters the game”. As you noted, Romo entered in a non-save situation and obviously never left the game. So you’re likely correct by the letter of the law.
Actually he did enter in a save situation.
Why hasn’t this been done before? Could you imagine “bullpening” a WC game and doing this? It would be amazing. I’m actually surprised there isn’t a rule against putting a player back on the mound after they have been “removed” from that position. It seems most amateur levels have a rule like this. Still fascinating .
Is there a rule against that at the amateur levels?
Anyway, the reason it hasn’t been done is simple – you will look very, very bad if the pitcher makes a mistake at 3B.
Huh? I cant think of a single sport that prohibits you from having players switch positions let alone a level of baseball that has such a rule.
Source?
Football, for sure. Also hockey.
I am so into this.
I thought another interesting aspect was Romo taking the DHs spot. Romo came in for the top of the 8th. IN the bottom of the 8th, the DH (Cron) batted. Then when Venters came in officially Venters took Adames’ spot in the order (Duffy moved from 3B to SS) and Romo took the DH’s (Cron) spot.
queue the outrage from boomer age fans
Not this boomer. I was in my teens when Lucchesi managed the Phillies, and these oddities were about the highlight of a very poor season.
Here’s a 2014 Sporting News article listing the last time a pitcher played each position on the diamond as of that date.
“queue the outrage from boomer age fans”
What outrage? I watched it done in the early seventies and thought that it was a good idea then. I watched it done by the Rays on mlb.tv this week and thought that it was still a good idea.
Sometimes everything old is new again.
always easy to spot the younger people who don’t have friends much older than them and think all “old people” are the same
I had wondered why Bird didn’t bunt; the pic explains it.
The Rays have essentially become like a non-power-conference college football team running a weird offense like the triple option and a bunch of trick plays and succeeding in doing it and it’s so fun. Alternatively, they’re like a mid-major college basketball team who, like shoots 400 threes a game or plays at a drip-slow tempo or plays five guards or something. One thing I like about college sports that you don’t quite get in the pros is that the talent disparities open up room for creativity. The Rays being cheap as hell has done the same!
“Who’s batting? Bird’s up. So chest out, just knock it down, you’ve got a shot”
I read this like Brucey from The Longest Yard as he’s talking to himself before his kickoff against the guards. Romo is out here acting like he’s gotta be a hero at 3rd base, meanwhile, the coaches in the dugout are laughing while looking at the same spray chart Sullivan posted in the article.
Is he making a bird hunting reference?
I’m hoping they adopt the position player/knuckleballer idea, which was discussed on an episode of the Effectively Wild podcast. I think it is a logical step in being able to carry a bigger bench, while also reducing stress on bullpens. And maybe you could use a position player with a decent knuckle ball to swap in a LOOGY for pitching to more than one or two batters.
Throwing the knuckle ball is harder than it looks. You have to be pretty much perfect every pitch because if it has any spin, it’s just a batting practice slowball and gets crushed. Heck, the actual pitchers that throw it have trouble throwing it perfectly every time. That’s why knuckleballers have rarely been among the better pitchers.
I would also note that it’s a lot different throwing it goofing around in warmups than it is getting out there on the mound and throwing to actual batters in an actual game that counts.
I wish the Rays had an elite defender who can’t hit. I would love to see if they would try the old Earl Weaver strategy of starting a good hitter who can’t field in the leadoff spot in road games and then subbing in for him in the bottom of the 1st. You can really only do it in September when rosters expand but Weaver did it with Mark Belanger in a half dozen or so games in Sept 1975. . . .
Why would this be preferable to hitting him 9th and letting him play 2-3 innings in the field before hitting for him?
Fair question. I suppose it depends on whether you’d rather have:
– 3 or maybe 4 AB with the better hitter/lesser fielder while sacrificing defense for the last 6-7 innings, or
– 1 AB with the better hitter and then 2 or 3 with the lesser hitter/better fielder but still get 9 innings of better defense.
I don’t know. I suspect it would depend on just how much better of a hitter and lesser of a fielder we’re talking about. I also suspect the reality is that the better hitter isn’t going to be THAT much better – if he was genuinely a good hitter, he wouldn’t be a bench guy that the manager is sacrificing.
Point though was more that I could actually see the Rays trying this. They kind of seem willing to try just about anything this year.
Does Romo get to warm up again when he moves from 3B back to pitcher?
The umps gave him a couple warm-ups.
What I love about this is that the righty-pitcher-to-third-base move and the lefty-pitcher-to-first-base move are encoded into the very DNA of the game. Think about it: a righty pitcher needs to be protected from left-handed batters and a lefty pitcher needs to be protected from right-handed batters. Meanwhile, lefty batters pull grounders to the first base side, and righty batters pull grounders to the third base side. And the beauty is that LEFT HANDED PEOPLE CAN’T PLAY THIRD BASE! The geometry of the baseball diamond DEMANDS that playing a righty pitcher at third against a lefty is often a good option and that playing a lefty pitcher at first against a righty is a valid option!
The symmetry is breathtaking. Like Mt. Hood’s shadow at dawn.
Left-handed people can certainly play third base, they’re just at a disadvantage.
Don Mattingly did it for a few games. So a lefty reliever could do it for a batter who’s extremely unlikely to hit the ball there, I think.
Well, if I did this right, and I probably didn’t, then George Sisler is the all time leader with 151 games as a lefty-throwing 3B in 1916. All the other top results are from before that year.
So I guess it happens, but not much, and not really since the early 20th century.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/tiny/uPB15
What if he blew the save, got Waxahachie swapped, his team scored in their half of the inning, then he closed the game. Does he get a BS and an S (and someone else gets the win)?
All pitchers are infielder. Some are very bad infielders. Most are decent. Some are tremendous. The infield is complicated, but 3B far less so, and I’d rather handle a bullet at 95 feet than at 55 feet. I’d like to see more of this.
Romo looked pretty adept playing Andujar’s grounder. I bet he can be decent at third.
If Romo moved back from third to pitch to face a righty and the opposing manager pinch-hit a lefty, would Romo have to face him since he was newly retaking the mound or could Cash slide him back to third since he was already “in the game”?