The Reds Aren’t Done Yet
Before the 2020 season, the Cincinnati Reds were a team on the rise. For two straight seasons, they’d built for the present, acquiring a dynamic pitching staff and attempting to rebuild their once-potent lineup. 2020 was going to be their year, the last year before Trevor Bauer’s free agency and the first with Mike Moustakas, Nick Castellanos, and Shogo Akiyama in tow.
The year didn’t work out particularly well for them, though. Their pitching was excellent, but the offense sputtered, and they scored a literal zero runs in their two playoff games, one of which went 13 innings. Just like that, the season was over. The team has been busy so far this offseason — they non-tendered Archie Bradley and Brian Goodwin, extended Bauer a Qualifying Offer before seeing him leave, and traded relievers Raisel Iglesias and Robert Stephenson. They’re also reportedly open to dealing Sonny Gray. Is the Reds’ brief run over?
I’m not so sure. Yes, the Reds have gotten worse this offseason. There’s no arguing that. Their Cy Young winner left in free agency (assuming he doesn’t return to Cincinnati, which seems unlikely). They traded their closer to save $8 million. They might be trading one of their other two great starters to save a little more money. That all sounds bad, no doubt.
Heck, though: you can make anything sound bad by describing it that way. The Cubs non-tendered two high draft picks who both contributed in 2020 to save a few bucks. The Cardinals declined an option on Kolten Wong that would have been a bargain — they explicitly stated that it was entirely to lower their payroll commitments for next year. The Brewers didn’t want to pay Corey Knebel, so they sent him to the Dodgers, who very much wanted to pay Corey Knebel.
All of these are active money-saving moves. The Reds’ three rivals for NL Central supremacy (sorry, Pirates) aren’t just shopping players or letting free agents leave in free agency — they’re getting rid of players with team control remaining to save on salary. Let’s take a look at the Reds’ moves and remaining roster to see what looks like cost-cutting, what looks like good baseball sense, and what the Reds’ 2021 outlook looks like.
Trevor Bauer
I’ll make this one short — this doesn’t reflect badly on the Reds at all, as far as I’m concerned. They traded for a player who was vocal about not accepting an extension and reaching free agency, which is completely reasonable; the price for two years of Bauer was Taylor Trammell, a few months of Yasiel Puig, and a low-level prospect.
After a few months of meaningless baseball in 2019 (where he experimented with sticky substances), Bauer was better than advertised in 2020. He was the best pitcher on the staff, and while the expanded and expansive playoffs meant that the Reds would have qualified regardless, it doesn’t make the decision to trade for Bauer any worse.
Regardless of the decision-making behind it, however, the Bauer trade was made with the expectation that he’d be gone after this year. Treating Bauer’s departure as a sign of the team taking a step back misunderstands the trade. Whether they replace him or not is a separate question, but players leave in free agency all the time. The Reds won’t replace Bauer’s production for his salary — $17.5 million before pro-rating — but that’s what they signed up for when they acquired him.
Archie Bradley and Brian Goodwin
Cincinnati traded for Bradley and Goodwin at this season’s trade deadline. Neither cost much — per Eric Longenhagen, the total outlay was two 40 FV prospects, a 40+ FV prospect, and a 35+ FV prospect. They subsequently non-tendered both players. Were these non-tenders solid strategy or desperation payroll shedding?
Bradley put together a solid 2020, but his star has diminished in recent years after excellent early returns on his tenure as a reliever. Depending on which projection system you prefer, we think he’ll be replacement level (Steamer) or quite solid (ZiPS) in 2021. Of note, his velocity cratered this year — he averaged 94.4 mph on his fastball, down 2.1 mph from his 2017 peak. His 9.1% swinging strike rate was also his lowest since he was a starter in 2016. If you want to believe he’s on the way out, in other words, the signs are there. He stood to receive between $4.5 and $5 million in arbitration, hardly a back-breaking sum, but I’m open to the argument that he would be the team’s fifth- or sixth-best reliever this year.
As for Goodwin, he was a strange fit even at the time. Coming into 2020, the Reds had too many outfielders. The universal DH seemed like a blessing — how else could you fit new acquisitions Castellanos and Akiyama into an outfield that already had Jesse Winker, Aristides Aquino, Nick Senzel, and Phillip Ervin in the fold? Injuries and ineffectiveness left an opening in center, however, and Goodwin contributed enough with the glove and bat to find consistent playing time there in September.
At roughly $3 million in arbitration, Goodwin was relatively affordable. Without the guarantee of a universal DH, however, it would be hard to find him playing time, even with Ervin now in Seattle and Aquino more of a question mark than he was before the year. Truthfully, though, Goodwin isn’t an everyday outfielder; he’s more of a platoon bat, and Akiyama is already a lefty-hitting center fielder. If Senzel handles center against left-handed pitching, where would Goodwin play? I don’t think non-tendering Goodwin was anything other than a baseball decision.
Raisel Iglesias
Iglesias was awesome in 2020. He struck out a career-high 34.1% of opposing batters, walked a career-low 5.5%, and generally looked like an archetypical shutdown reliever. Every team in baseball would be improved by adding Iglesias, who has one year and $9.125 million left on his contract before he becomes a free agent. Trading him for Noé Ramirez feels like a clear step down — and it is a clear step down. Ramirez will be on the fringes of the bullpen, rather than at the front of it.
Why make this trade, then? It’s reasonable to wonder if the Reds could spend money more efficiently than a high-leverage relief arm. At the moment, Michael Lorenzen slots into the rotation, but he’d be better served in a relief role, in my eyes at least. Cincinnati’s bullpen was a weak point in 2020, but bullpens are constantly in flux, and the Reds have a bevy of interesting arms that could break through any day.
Money is always limited, and spending on a reliever when the team could spend a similar amount of money to get a starter and keep Lorenzen in the ‘pen would hardly count as giving up. This is the trade that most looks like capitulation so far, but trading your moderately priced closer isn’t a teardown. It’s a strange move, for sure, and one that often accompanies a teardown, but as a one-off it hardly changes their expected talent level for next year.
Robert Stephenson
I think I just like this trade for the Reds, period? Jeff Hoffman is intriguing, likely out of the bullpen rather than in the rotation, though like Lorenzen he could probably handle either. Stephenson is a slider machine — he threw 65% sliders in 2020 — who is a completely fine middle reliever but might have plateaued. Hoffman might be better now, he’s controllable for longer, and look, good luck predicting the Rockies. Given the opportunity to get younger and cheaper, the Reds took it, and that just seems like business as usual.
Sonny Gray
Uh, yeah, trading Gray would be bad. It’s not easy — read, essentially impossible — to get win-now value in a trade where you give up the best player, and Gray would definitely be the best piece moving in a trade he’s involved in. Gray has three years left on his contract (including a $12 million club option for 2023), all of which are bargains on the team side. Project him for something like 10 WAR over those three years, and that’s both an excellent pitcher and a ton of surplus value. Even if you go a little lighter on the projection — say 8 WAR to account for a lot of aging — it’s clear that Gray is a valuable piece.
Teams can move good players and still try to compete, but if the Reds are moving Gray in an attempt to save money, they’ll have to accept prospects instead of currently good players. There simply aren’t a lot of players who are better than Gray while also making less than him, and all of those players are tremendously valuable. Sure, Juan Soto is better and cheaper than Gray, but so what? No one the Reds could feasibly acquire in exchange for Gray will fit that bill.
If the team does move Gray, I’ll take back my current optimism about Cincinnati. Until their talk turns into action, however, I think their offseason mostly makes sense. As fun as it is to want every team to just add, add, add indefinitely, it’s rarely a reasonable plan. The Reds set their sights on building a contender for 2020 and succeeded. They’ll need to adjust the roster to keep that going in 2021, but what they’ve done so far — moving money out of the bullpen — seems like a sensible move in a vacuum.
The current climate of spending being what it is, I understand the impulse to be skeptical of their longer-term goals. Saving in the bullpen is the first step in a reallocation of resources, but it’s also the first step in tearing down to save money. It’s easy to wonder which of the two will happen, and to be clear, I’m not ruling out the second.
Per RosterResource, the team projects for a $123 million payroll in 2021 after trading Iglesias. That would be roughly equivalent to their 2019 payroll, though about $20 million less than their pre-COVID projected 2020 payroll. That feels like a reasonable level for them, particularly if they add a bargain free agent or two. You don’t have to give teams the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their spending intentions, and in fact it’s often wrong to do so. In this case, however, I’m willing to wait and see what’s coming next for the Reds.
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
If you’re going to claim that Hoffman might be better than Stephenson, you need to provide some evidence of that. I don’t really see any basis for that claim.
Perhaps Hoffman has the potential to go deeper into games. I didn’t watch the Rockies much, but Stephenson’s future seemed to be as a reliever.
So far the Reds have cut about $20 million in payroll. If they end up using that space for a high end shortstop, this off-season will look a lot different.
I am kind of hoping the Reds do some really, really crazy things instead. Like offload Sonny Gray, Akiyama, Castellanos, and Barnhart (in a Nick Punto-style trade, with Gray as the bait, maybe also Tyler Stephenson or Jonathan India), and then they re-sign Bauer or get Realmuto or Springer (or all three). And then decide to patch the hole at SS with someone nobody gets excited about. Or decide Senzel is their new shortstop, since there are no rules anymore.
I don’t feel like any team is doing enough crazy things for my entertainment. The Reds seem as good as any team to be doing it.
“rivals for NL Central supremacy” seems a bit generous since those other three teams appear to not be trying very hard to win the division. They’re still better than the Reds based on players they developed (and the players the Reds haven’t developed) but is it really much of a rivalry if you’re not willing to put something of value on the line?
Pure payroll analysis is not a precise measure of how much teams are trying, but even if it was, the NL Central still has two teams (Cubs and Cards) who spend more than anyone in the AL Central. The Cubs payroll was fourth in MLB in 2017 and third every year since. They currently stand at $8 million behind the Mets in fourth for 2021 with only 34 roster spots confirmed, so when all is said and done, they’ll probably be either fourth or fifth in MLB in spending, depending on how hard Cohen goes with the Mets.
The Cardinals don’t spend top five money like the Cubs, but they’ve also carved out a spot where they’re perennial contenders, and that doesn’t look like it’ll change in 2021. They spend more than any of the other revenue sharing teams from outside major media markets.
The Brewers are not in a great spot now, but the reason they’re not in a great spot is because they really went for it a few years ago and emptied the farm to land players like Yelich. They also spent on free agents like Cain, Grandal, and Mouse who are either gone or in the decline part of their contracts. They might not be a great team, but again, it’s not fair to say they didn’t go for it.
The Pirates are genuinely a mess, but the single most disastrous thing they’ve done in the past five years was the move they made to show fans they were “going for it” (the Archer trade). Obviously that looks terrible in hindsight (and even looked terrible at the time). The Pirates entire org is a mess, but the rest of the division is good.
Someone has to win the NL Central next year, and it almost certainly won’t be the Pirates. The other 4 teams may each be cutting payroll, but none of them except possibly the Reds are actively trying to lose the division.
When the Iglesias trade happened, I was livid. Coming on the heels of the Bradley nontender and amidst the Gray rumors, I was convinced that ownership was going cheap. The last couple years were about opening a window of competition, acquiring controllable, veteran players like Gray, Castellanos, Moustakas, etc. for several years, and the offseason so far has seemed to be about slamming that window shut because of one year of lost gate revenue.
This article has calmed my nerves quite a bit, so thank you. As you point out, it will be a different story if Sonny Gray is traded. On the one hand, the Reds have a lot of good, veteran pieces, but nobody with a superstar, 5+ WAR ceiling, and there isn’t likely to be a player of that caliber coming up from the farm any time soon. The only way to get a prospect like that is probably by trading Gray or Castillo, and since Gray is more expensive he’s more likely to go. The Reds also have Derek Johnson and Kyle Boddy, who have proven their ability to maximize the talent they’re given, so the pitching might be able to survive the losses of Bauer, Iglesias, and Gray. Those guys represented three of the team’s top four pitchers in WAR so they are not replaceable, but Tyler Mahle, Teejay Antone, and Michael Lorenzen all showed a lot of promise last year.
On the other hand, this ownership presided over the disastrous mishandling of the trades of Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier, Aroldis Chapman, and Johnny Cueto. Yes, they did well to acquire Anthony DeSclafani, Eugenio Suarez, and Luis Castillo for Mat Latos, Alfredo Simon, and Dan Straily, but their track record of acquiring top prospects in return for All-Star talent is enough to inspire dread.
And 2 of those were trades with the Marlins, so you can’t give the Reds too much credit…
Ok, but Noe Ramirez? I just don’t see how a good GM couldn’t have taken a little longer to get a slightly better return for Iglesias (who even in a depressed market for relievers, is coming off a great year, has a consistent track record of success, and does not carry long term salary commitment).
It’s like Aroldis all over again. They decided they’re going to make a move immediately, regardless of whether they have to take a big loss.
The more I think about this, the more I am realizing how disastrous the Reds’ spending last offseason was for them now. Moustakas and Castellanos together make about $30M next year, and $32M in 2022 and 2023 each. Akiyama adds another $7M this year and $8M next year. Miley is $8M this year. All of their best players were guys that they had before last offseason. And, on top of all that, they would lost a lot less money last year while probably still having the same record and making the playoffs.
Think about what they could do with that money right now. They could sign Springer or Realmuto or for that money, plus a shortstop and an actual second baseman, plus keeping Iglesias. When I think about what I want them to do this offseason to really push forward and seize the division for the next 2-3 years, all of things would necessitate them attaching prospects to overpaid veterans, or packaging Sonny Gray with a big contract in a Nick Punto-style deal.
And when the reds can’t sign realmuto or springer, because they have never signed a FA of that caliber, they will be screwed, will have wasted the peak of Eugenio, the last year of bauer, and the final days of Votto. Terrible idea.
It’s not that hard to sign a free agent of that caliber. All you have to do is offer enough of them the most money and usually one of them will take it.
Also, the “final days of Votto” implies either that he was productive in 2020, or that he is dead. I do not believe either of those things are true.
Maybe this is equally as bad an idea, but I am pretty sure it isn’t worse than what they did.
The Reds were as good as any NL team except the Dodgers in 2020. If a few breaks had gone a different way in October, they could have won a World Series. Evaluating teams’ decisions in hindsight is silly. The only mistakes that are important to learn from are the ones that were clearly mistakes at the time, like the Shelby Miller trade or the Chris Archer trade. The Reds, Cubs, and Cardinals were all legit contenders in 2020 and will be legit contenders again in 2021 and beyond, which is as much as you can realistically hope for in baseball.
“The Reds were as good as any NL team except the Dodgers in 2020. ” okay, I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
They were 6 games back from SD. Over 162 games they could have made that up. Hard to say much from a 60 game season other the Dodgers were the best team.
Agreed. The Braves and Padres were both clearly better teams despite them both having rotation problems once the playoffs came around.
Is there any trade of Gray you could see that leaves them still as contenders in a winnable division? Because the Reds farm is pretty meh, so a soft rebuild doesn’t seem totally out of the equation if done well. I hope he isn’t, but it feels like they could get great value trading him because the team friendly contract.
I really loved this article. It seems that any time a team takes a step back, everyone is quick to say “they don’t care about winning.” But sometimes they are just making the smart and sustainable move.
The Reds should continue to work with Lorenzen. He could be a .260/.340/.400 25/15 outfielder, or he could be a 6K/9IP reliever. Hopefully both
I think the NL Central is the hardest division to evaluate going into 2021 because of the short, unbalanced schedule. The top line offensive numbers looked horrible for everyone in the division in 2020, but by Baseball Savant’s Statcast data, the NL Central makes up five of the eight unluckiest teams in 2020 in terms of expected wOBA – actual wOBA. On the flip side, the pitching numbers looked amazing, but because of the unbalanced schedule, the majority of the bad luck by NL Central hitters corresponded to good luck for NL Central pitchers.
All of the normal, random variance that occurs in baseball was correlated so much more strongly than usual in 2020 because of the siloed schedules.
This is an example of why it is so frustrating to be a fan of the Pirates. The division is up for grabs as every other team has cut payroll this offseason. Instead of spending some money and adding players, they have done absolutely nothing.
I understand it’s pretty frustrating to be a Pirates fan, but perhaps you can take consolation in the fact that it’s also pretty frustrating to be a fan of the Brewers, Reds, Cardinals, or Cubs right now.
Little known fact, the NL Central is actually the vale of tears.
Note, though, that they hope to get back a healthy Taillon for the rotation and Santana for the pen, so we could look at it as if they acquired a starter with #2 upside and a reliever who can cover the 7th or 8th. If the other teams keep cutting payroll and the Pirates stand pat (keeping Musgrove in particular), they might hang around in the race for most of the season.
If the total value of Bauer’s contract is at least $50 million, the Reds will receive an additional pick after the first round in 2021. If he signs a deal below $50 million, the Reds’ compensatory pick will be after the second round. So for Taylor Trammell, a few months of Yasiel Puig, and a low-level prospect, the Reds received two seasons of Bauer and a relatively high draft pick (and a brief postseason appearance). This was a pretty savvy trade.
I can understand trading Raisel Iglesias but the deal was so out-of-nowhere and for such an underwhelming return that it just looks strange. Clearing payroll to make a move is one thing, but it’s early in the off-season to jump at the salary dump. It just doesn’t feel like they maximized their return there.