The Roster Dominos Start to Fall for the Reds

The period between the end of the World Series and the official start of free agency is usually uneventful, with teams taking care of procedural moves to get their rosters ready for the long offseason. That wasn’t the case for the Reds. On the first day of the offseason, the team traded Tucker Barnhart to the Tigers for infield prospect Nick Quintana. A day later, Nick Castellanos exercised his opt-out clause, forgoing two more years in Cincinnati and $34 million in total salary to test the market. A few days later, the Cubs announced they had claimed a surprisingly available Wade Miley off waivers. It was a pretty eventful few days for the Reds, and they now enter the offseason with a lot more question marks hanging over their roster than they had before the Fall Classic’s conclusion.

All three of these moves have significant implications for the Reds’ payroll in 2022. In a media session after the Barnhart trade last Wednesday, Reds general manager Nick Krall explained the reasoning behind that move: “Going into 2022, we must align our payroll to our resources and continue focusing on scouting and developing young talent from within our system.” That same rationale explains why Miley was so freely available to the league on waivers. While Castellanos opting out of his two remaining years with the club was unsurprising after his phenomenal 2021, his $17 million salary next year is now off the books, and both Barnhart and Miley held club options for next season — $7.5 million for the former and $10 million for the latter.

Even though those comments from Krall are couched in business speak, it’s not hard to understand the direction the Reds are headed this offseason. After a hefty increase in payroll from just over $100 million in 2018 to a non-pro-rated $149 million in ’20, the Reds look like they’re about to cut spending for the second season in a row. Even with Castellanos, Barnhart, and Miley off the roster, their estimated payroll for 2022 currently comes out to $131 million, $10 million over their final payroll figure for this season and just $17 million below the franchise high-water mark from 2020.

Given that payroll number and their comments, the Reds probably don’t have much room to add any players to address the numerous holes on their roster. They currently have just over $70 million in salary committed to five players in 2022: Joey Votto ($25MM), Mike Moustakas ($16MM), Sonny Gray ($10.7MM), Eugenio Suárez ($11.3MM), and Shogo Akiyama ($8MM). And that doesn’t take into account the 10 players due to receive a raise in salary arbitration this offseason. It’s likely they’ll try to move Moustakas, Gray, or another one of their high-priced players to free up further salary space. But this isn’t a case of addition by subtraction; the Reds are taking steps to field a team that constitutes a significant step back from the competitive rosters from the last two seasons.

After making so many investments in their roster after the 2019 season and securing a surprise postseason berth in ‘20, the Reds were hoping to build off that momentum this year. If it weren’t for the Cardinals miracle run in September to secure the second NL Wild Card spot, the Reds might have made the playoffs for the second consecutive season. Instead, it looks like they’ll be heading into an unfortunate stagnation until some of their top prospects are ready to make their major league debuts. The latest rumors have them listening on offers for Luis Castillo, a move that would signal a much more significant rebuild.

Barnhart was the second-longest tenured Reds player after Votto; he was drafted by Cincinnati in 2009 and debuted with them in ’14, serving as their primary backstop for the majority of his eight-year career. He has established himself as an adequate presence in the lineup while providing excellent defense behind the plate. His career offensive production has been 18% below league average, though that doesn’t seem so bad when considering the 89 wRC+ his peers at catcher put up in 2021. He hits for a bit of power and has shown some patience in the past — this season was the first where his walk rate dropped below league average since his initial call-up in 2014. His biggest issue at the plate has been a strikeout rate that’s increased year-over-year since 2017, from 16.1% to 25.8%.

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He has historically hit right-handed pitching better during his career; his handedness split features a 55 point difference in wOBA. Of course, for most of his career, he was a switch hitter. He transitioned to batting left-handed — his natural side — full-time in late 2019. Despite giving up the advantage against same-handed pitching, his handedness split fell to just a 15 point difference in wOBA in 2021. Still, his overall offensive output didn’t meaningfully change all that much after making the switch; he had an 82 wRC+ as a switch hitter and has a 81 wRC+ as a left-handed hitter.

For the Tigers, Barnhart will likely be penciled in as the regular starter behind the plate. The Tigers had a surprisingly competent group of catchers in 2021, though they weren’t without faults. Eric Haase led the way with a 100 wRC+ and 22 home runs, but his defense left a lot to be desired. He also looked worn down towards the end of the year after catching regularly for most of the second half of the season. The other member of the Tigers catching tandem, Jake Rogers (115 wRC+), was lost to Tommy John surgery midseason and will miss all of 2022 recovering from that procedure.

In Barnhart, Detroit will have a natural platoon partner to pair with Haase and a catcher who is well regarded for his work behind the plate. Barnhart won a Gold Glove in 2017 and ‘20, and has produced positive pitch framing marks for the last three seasons. With such a young pitching staff to manage as they move out of their long rebuilding phase, the Tigers have to be thrilled with the experienced presence Barnhart will bring to the roster.

In return, the Reds received infielder Nick Quintana. He was a 2019 college draftee who struggled in his first taste of professional baseball and then lost a year of development due to the pandemic. He was ranked 13th in Detroit’s system entering 2021 but didn’t really do much to improve his standing in his second professional season, posting a .196/.329/.346 slash line (91 wRC+) in A-ball. Without strong batted ball peripherals (101 mph max exit velocity and a 5% barrel rate) to redeem his poor showing this year, he’s probably slipped to the 35+ FV tier or lower in the Reds organizational rankings.

With Tyler Stephenson’s emergence as a solid contributor in his first full season in the majors, Barnhart was a bit superfluous for the Reds, especially if they are looking to cut payroll. Miley’s departure from Cincinnati is a bit harder to parse. He enjoyed a resurgent season in 2021, pitching to a 3.37 ERA that far outpaced his still good 3.97 FIP. By WAR, it was the best season of Miley’s career since his first full season in the majors in 2012. He threw a no-hitter against Cleveland in early May and was a key member of a Reds rotation that otherwise dealt with plenty of inconsistent performers. Unfortunately, he really faded down the stretch, pitching to a 8.35 ERA in four September starts and eventually succumbing to a neck injury that had been bothering him for most of the month.

Miley will turn 35 in just a few days, so he doesn’t really fit into the Reds plans for the future, but a $10 million option for 2022 seemed like a no-brainer for a proven innings-eater coming off a fantastic season. Instead, the Reds shopped him around heading into the offseason and wound up losing him on waivers without any compensation in return. It was the ultimate cost cutting move. Not only did the Reds not want to exercise his option for 2022, they didn’t even want to pay the $1 million buyout on the option. Had they picked up his option for next year and continued to shop him around in the hopes to move him before the beginning of the season, I suppose the risk would have been finding a trading partner who wanted some of Miley’s salary to be covered by the Reds or not closing a deal at all before the beginning of next season. But cutting him loose before the market even had a chance to develop and claiming no team had interest in trading for him rings a little hollow. Obviously, the Cubs were interested in Miley’s services with his full $10 million salary, even if seven other teams — the Orioles, Diamondbacks, Pirates, Rangers, Nationals and Marlins — passed on his services before he reached Chicago in the waiver process. Perhaps that says more about the place those seven teams view themselves heading into this offseason than the desirability of Miley. Pitching is always in demand, and the Reds’ reluctance to take on the risk of having to pay even a portion of Miley’s salary screams extreme penny pinching.

For the Cubs, Miley essentially replaces the innings Zach Davies provided in 2021. He slots in behind Kyle Hendricks in the rotation and should provide the Cubs with exactly the kind of innings the Reds might need in 2022 for a division rival. Chicago also has a bunch of younger starters in Adbert Alzolay, Justin Steele, Keegan Thompson, and Brailyn Márquez who all might be looking to establish themselves in the majors next year. With Miley in the fold, the Cubs have the luxury of giving those young pitchers time to develop at the right pace without having to throw them into the major league rotation to simply fill innings during the summer.

The Reds also have a handful of young starting pitchers who could be ready to make the leap to the majors in 2022. Reiver Sanmartin made his debut in September and should have a good shot at filling the fifth spot in the Reds rotation next spring, and their top two pitching prospects, Hunter Greene and Nick Lodolo, both finished successful minor league seasons at Triple-A. All three of those young arms could make an impact in the rotation next season. Moving Miley clears the way for them, even if it means the Reds pitching depth takes a significant hit. Of course, that assumes the Reds aren’t going to move any of their other starters and Gray, who is in the final year of his contract, has been rumored to be very available this offseason. If any of Sanmartin, Greene, or Lodolo take a step back next year or need further development in the minors, the Reds could be looking for a starter like Miley to eat innings for them while their prospects marinate.





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barry6124
4 years ago

Hopefully, Bob is clearing the books for a sale of the team. They need fresh ownership.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  barry6124

Yup. The Reds have essentially had four eras since the Castellini ownership group came in…

2006-09: 304-344 (26th, down in the dumps)
2010-13: 357-291 (7th, glory years)
2014-18: 343-467 (30th, deeper in the dumps)
2019-21: 189-195 (16th, all in for mediocrity)

Looks like 2022-23 is gonna be a lot closer to 2006-09 than it is to 2019-21 & there is really no clear path back to anything resembling 2010-13 anytime soon.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

The next time a team decides to spent $64M on Mike Moustakas to play second base and you are tempted to applaud them for “going for it” or whatever, remember this. It’s only admirable if owners are willing to suck it up when the deal doesn’t work out and not pinch pennies at the most inopportune times (these two, but also the Raisel Iglesias trade last year). These moves don’t make the team better in the future, they just cut costs. They’re straight payroll dumps.

If they’re going to do punt on 2022, they need to figure out what their game plan is for Castillo, Mahle, and Winker. This team is not going to compete in 2022 or 2023 barring some unexpected investments, but some set of Barrero, Greene, Lodolo, and McLain will be capable of complementing Stephenson and India in 2024-2026. With Castillo, Mahle, and Winker, that’s a team worth spending on. But if they’re not going to extend Castillo, Mahle, and Winker they probably need to see what prospects they will bring back in trades. But given the focus on cost-cutting, that may be too much to hope for.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Re: Winker–I was thinking to myself, “how nice that Winker was functional against left-handers this year. He could be a building block for a team” Then I checked his splits to make sure…
vs L: 57 wRC+
vs R: 178 wRC+

So the good news is that he’s one of the five best batters in the league against right handed pitchers. If you could platoon him with Jordan Luplow you’d have one spot in the lineup really locked down. That’s the glass is half full approach…

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

To be fair, they didn’t know that a pandemic was going to sink revenues when they stretched their payroll to a franchise high to sign guys like Moustakes. Cutting payroll last offseason was necessary for many teams.

It’s less defensible this offseason, though, which makes me think they spent too much without consideration for the future 2 and 3 years ago even had the pandemic not occurred.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

So wait, is the lesson to not go for it? Or is the lesson to not sign Moose and plug him at second? I feel like one can applaud the decision to spend money in an attempt to win AND be skeptical of the idea that Moose is a building block to success. Also, the pandemic was pretty difficult to plan for in having revenues plummet.

They probably won’t extend all three of those you mentioned; given Winker’s heavy platoon split and the fact that he’s a corner only guy, I’d steer clear of extending him. I’d look at extending Castillo and maybe dangle Mahle. I feel with the pieces they have they can certainly restructure and remain fairly competitive.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I think the lesson, for us, is to be skeptical of owners that suddenly seem very, very committed to winning now by spending a ton of money. It’s reminiscent of the Red Sox ownership group suddenly wanting to get under the tax line after blowing all that money on pitchers, or Cubs ownership getting persnickety about finances because Jason Heyward was bad. It’s just happening on a smaller scale with the Reds. The ownership was fine with this before! They shouldn’t be so whiny about money now. It’s not good for a team or for the fans.

I’m not clear what the lesson for the Reds themselves is, at least beyond that. They appear to have decided that they were going to go for it, even though they were a 75 win team in 2019. At the time, I was pretty skeptical of the idea that they were going to make a big move, and it worked out about how you would expect–it bumped them from being a mediocre team to a respectable one, just above average. But the weird part is that it might have worked if they hadn’t signed Moustakas and gotten center fielders and shortstops (which would have cost more money and trading Nick Senzel, which is why they didn’t do it). The Reds have this bonkers idea that third basemen can play anywhere on the field. Signing a natural third baseman to play second base to bump your natural third baseman who got bumped to second base to the outfield, only to have the guy you signed get bumped by yet another natural third baseman who got moved to second base is…well, there’s a real lack of planning there.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

One could be skeptical of all owners; as a Pirates fan, it’s a prerequisite. Maybe because of my small market fandom, I’m much less disdainful of them than Chicago or Boston. Pair that with the pandemic and it’s effect (which happened AFTER those two large markets started tightening their belt) and I can at least understand their reasoning…but only up to a point.
As for trying with a 75 win team, I think that needs more context. Chicago was clearly coming to the end of their window, and they’re the only financial heavyweight. With some internal improvements and some additions outside, they may have anticipated a 10 win bump. And maybe that’s asking a bit much, but it’s defensible.
I agree most with your assessment on their execution; as in it was horse****. The rotating third basemen plan is so odd. Why wouldn’t they take a chance on Didi? Not only is he a fraction of the cost, he’s an actual fit!
I will never begrudge teams trying by spending money. Even if it doesn’t make the most sense on the scale of where teams are (Texas, right now), I’ll never fault teams for spending money. They’re trying. Which is a lot more than other teams are doing, like mine.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I am pretty surprised the Nationals and Rangers passed on Miley (the others, I understand for various reasons). Miley’s peripherals weren’t great in 2021 but he’s a solid #4 starter, likely to bring similar value to a team in 2022 as a guy like deSclafani and a bit better than Greinke.

Not sure they’re going to be able to trade either of Suarez or Moustakas (or Akiyama) right now without eating more than half of the money on their contracts. Moustakas was hurt for a lot of the year and Suarez was a mess. But since they have three players to cover third base and first base and it’s not clear there will be a DH, they’ll probably try to move at least one.

They could probably dump most or all of Gray’s contract because pitching is always in demand and he’s got a great spin rate so any team that prizes spin (the Astros being the most obvious example) would be interested, but he’s coming off only an okayish season and there are a lot of free agent pitchers this year.

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m sure that the Nationals and Rangers passed because they didn’t want to pay $10 million for one year of Wade Miley. One year of Wade Miley isn’t going to make a difference for either team. The Nationals have pitching prospects to check out, and the Rangers only have $35 million in payroll commitments for 2022. If those teams look for pitching among free agents, I think they’ll both look for a longer commitment.

ascheffMember since 2017
4 years ago

I think it’s important not to conflate taking a step back competitively and cutting salary for the sake of saving money. If the Reds don’t think the current core is capable of getting over the hump, then it makes complete sense to trade players like Barnhart, Moustakas, and Gray for prospects. The Braves have won three straight division titles and just won a World Series in part due to players they picked up when they decided to take a step back and trade Kimbrel, Heyward, the Uptons, and Gattis back in 2014/2015. The White Sox are an exciting team right now because they traded Chris Sale, Adam Eaton, and Jose Quintana rather than try to extend them further and cobble something together. From a longterm, strategic perspective, the most logical thing a team on the outside of contention can do is trade established MLB veterans for prospects.

That being said, the Reds waiving Wade Miley is not in the team’s longterm competitive best interest and represents a shameful cash grab from ownership. If they wanted to retool (which they might need to), they could have kept Miley and eaten some of his salary in order to get prospects back for him in a trade. There are always teams looking for a solid veteran starter with one year left on his contract to round out a rotation. The Reds let him walk for no reason other than to make the owner a little bit richer, which is shameful.

Retooling/rebuilding and salary dumping are not the same thing, and it’s misleading for fans when they’re written about interchangeably. When the former is done well, it’s ultimately a good thing for fans, because it can lead to an exciting and competitive core a few years down the road. The latter has no benefit for the fans and just makes them watch a worse team now with no future benefit.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

In general, I agree with you that there is a difference between cost-saving moves and pushing your competitive window into the future. But in this specific case, these both look very much like salary dumps to me. Maybe they see something in Nick Quintana…he does have tools, but he was a 23-year old with a below average batting line in A-ball.

In general, I think fans are willing to stomach rebuilding if it becomes clear it needs to happen but it’s not clear to me that this is a rebuild. It will be interesting what they do with their other higher-priced players, and might shed a little more light on things. In theory, they could eat money and get a bigger return for Gray, but it’s entirely possible they won’t. Trading Moustakas would require them to eat half the money just to dump the other half of the salary, so I’m not sure how much more they’d be willing to eat.

ascheffMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I didn’t realize how bad Moustakas was this season for the Reds (probably not a good sign for how memorable/impactful the Reds season was). In his current state he probably has negative trade value, so that wasn’t a good example for me to list. If Joey Votto were anyone other than Joey Votto, I would think they should trade him, but he’s a future Hall of Famer who has only ever played for the Reds. I think the clubhouse and fanbase might actually revolt if they trade him.

They should probably trade Sonny Gray though, and if Eugenio Suarez continues his good second half in the first half of 2022, they should probably trade him too.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

Moustakas had negative trade value the moment he was signed (by definition this is true in most cases, but it was especially true there), and it only went downhill. That said, he was hurt for a good chunk of the season. There’s a pretty good chance he’s still the guy he was earlier in the year, a guy who can play an average third base and hit for slightly above the league average in total offensive value. But if the injury hurt his mobility long term and he can’t play third (or outrun grounders) he’s probably unrosterable.

I don’t think they could trade Votto even if they wanted to, since he’s been pretty vocal about not waiving his no-trade. I think Gray is probably a goner, but his trade value isn’t anywhere near its peak. They can certainly dump his salary, and he definitely has positive trade value, but it’ll be interesting to see how much more teams value him more than, say, Matz or DeSclafani.

Matthew HabelMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

Assuming the Reds are out of it in July and Votto is still productive, I’m actually pretty close to wishing that Votto would waive his no trade clause so he can get a chance to win. At this rate, highly unlikely Bob would pay his salary to buy some prospects, but it’s almost more painful to see Joey get wasted year in and year out.

Jolly Good Show
4 years ago

I think it all depends on which players they get rid of next. Miley and Barnhart only have a year left on their deals, and Castellanos opted out. They could, in theory, write off 2022 and plan for 2023.

If they start to get rid of players with multiple years left then that changes things. It will be interesting to see where they go from here.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago

Shame, 6 months ago this was an interesting team to me.

mdgwsu89
4 years ago

Seeing the owners slash payroll costs is extremely depressing. They went for it, but they made some bad decisions (Shogo) and had some bad luck (Moustakas, although that was also a bad decision) along the way and now they’re just letting good players go for nothing just to pinch pennies, which they also did last year with Raisel Iglesias.

Even more depressing is seeing the organization take steps backward by letting Kyle Boddy and CJ Gillman go and shifting their focus more toward scouting. What’s especially maddening is investing in development is not only essential in today’s landscape, it’s a way to keep costs down! A guy like Kyle Boddy can help improve the performance of dozens of pitchers throughout the organization, even if only marginally, and he costs a fraction of any free agent arm.

India and Stephenson are exciting rookies. Mahle, Winker, and Castillo are good young players. Barrero, Lodolo, and Greene are exciting prospects with high ceilings. But unless all of those players hit their ceilings, the future is pretty bleak. Even if they do, there are a lot of holes. Votto is pushing 40. Suarez/Moustakas look like they’re broken. Other than Winker, who can’t hit lefties or play defense, there are no reliable outfielders on the roster, unless you expect Tyler Naquin to recreate his career year, and he was just barely above average and has never been able to play a full season. The team seems hell bent on playing Kyle Farmer everyday based on one otherworldly month. Dark days ahead.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mdgwsu89

Someone in the comments section once mentioned that they knew Kyle Boddy in real life, and was a little surprised that he was able to stick with the Reds for as long as he has. This is about as rumor-ful as it gets, but he is apparently a strong personality, and so they might have needed to pick between him and Derek Johnson (who is also very good at his job).

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d imagine a lot of overlap between people who frequent fangraphs and people who gamble and play fantasy sports. Boddy was a poker player prior, so I’d bet a fair amount of people have met him from there.

JoeyVottoIsGoneMember since 2016
4 years ago

Joey Votto deserves better than this. I mean, this team was a moderately better bullpen and a shortstop upgrade away from a deep playoff run this year & it was obvious going into last offseason the team needed shortstop help, at least. This is farcical.

jdbolickMember since 2024
4 years ago

It blows my mind that so many people are criticizing Cincinnati’s decision on Wade Miley. No team has ever paid Miley ten million for any of his previous eleven seasons but the Reds are shameful for not doing so at age 35? Really? Last season was clearly a massive fluke due to an unsustainable LOB%, as he has become one of the softest throwing pitchers in the major leagues. He was getting hit hard, posting his lowest Soft Contact % since 2014 and the second highest barrel percentage of his career. Miley was a bargain for the Reds last season but the Cubs will be very lucky if they get ten million worth of value for him in 2022.

kule
4 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

The criticism is more about cincy losing him for nothing

jdbolickMember since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  kule

They lost him for nothing because many teams weren’t willing to take on his contract at all and none of them were willing to give up a prospect while doing so.

rhdx
4 years ago

I’m mostly neutral with respect to the Red’s strategy. We’ve reached a point where fans bail on a team they don’t think can win the World Series, so there just isn’t much incentive to field an okay team. Tanking in baseball is not nearly as prevalent as it is in other sports. I am happy to watch a below average team with some players worth rooting for that plays competitive games, but I am also happy when my team realistically can’t win and makes what appear to be good trades for the future. It seems like most fans. I won’t defend waiving Miley, but keeping him so the team is 1 win better or maybe even trading him for a D level prospect probably wouldn’t have put 1 extra fan in the stands this year, so why spend the money?