The San Francisco Giants: Baseball’s Biggest Disappointment
The baseball season is long. How long is the baseball season? For the last little while, I’ve been following the Brewers and thinking about them as the underdog in the wild-card race. Yet the team they’re pursuing — the Rockies — is also an underdog in the wild-card race. It’s all about how you narrow your field of vision. If you’re concerned only with the right now, the Brewers as a wild-card team would be a surprise. If you step back and consider all of 2017, the Rockies as a wild-card team are no less surprising. Their success shouldn’t be taken for granted, or assumed simply because they’ve been successful from the beginning.
The NL wild-card teams are likely to be the Diamondbacks and the Rockies. That’s how it’s looked for a while. But, if you remember, the NL wild-card teams were supposed to be the Mets and the Giants. Maybe the Cardinals. If the division winners are what we thought, the wild-card situation is more surprising, or even refreshing. We’ve got no shortage of underdogs, and some of them required that the Mets and Giants move out of the way. The Mets this year have been a letdown. The Giants have been even worse.
Again, we’ve known this for what feels like forever. We’ve thought of the Rockies as good for a while because they went 16-10 in April. We’ve thought of the Giants as bad for a while because they went 9-17 in April. In their best month — their best month — they went 13-16. It’s nothing new that the Giants have struggled. But, because of that, it’s made them easy to ignore. One’s always inclined to focus on the teams still playing for something. The Giants haven’t been playing for much of anything for several months.
With the season just about over, then, it’s worth contextualizing what we’ve seen. It’s worth putting everyone together. I’ve got all the current win-loss records. I’ve got the preseason projected win-loss records. In this plot, you’ll see the differences in winning percentages. The Giants are highlighted in yellow.
As much as the Twins and Brewers have overachieved, one can’t forget about the Yankees and Diamondbacks. But one team here stands out from the other 29. Appropriately, it’s the team noted with the different color. The Giants are off their projected winning percentage by 154 points. The next-closest team is 45 points away.
All right, easy enough to understand. The Giants have sucked, relative to expectations. Time to go even further. I’ve noted several times in the past that I have a spreadsheet of team projections going all the way back to 2005. The methods have been inconsistent — I’ve had to take from different sources over the years, since we’re talking about more than a decade. I had to grab where I could, and perhaps the earliest team projections are less reliable than the more recent ones. I don’t know, but I gathered as much history as I could. I use this spreadsheet pretty often. Although I’ll grant it’s imperfect, let me show you something it says. Over the 13 baseball seasons, here are the 10 teams to fall short of their projected win totals by the most.
| Team | Year | Projected | Actual | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Giants | 2017 | 88.5 | 62 | -26.5 |
| Red Sox | 2012 | 91.0 | 69 | -22.0 |
| Twins | 2011 | 84.4 | 63 | -21.4 |
| Padres | 2008 | 84.3 | 63 | -21.3 |
| Dodgers | 2005 | 92.0 | 71 | -21.0 |
| Indians | 2009 | 85.5 | 65 | -20.5 |
| Mariners | 2010 | 81.4 | 61 | -20.4 |
| Tigers | 2017 | 81.6 | 62 | -19.6 |
| Rangers | 2014 | 86.3 | 67 | -19.3 |
| Mets | 2017 | 87.1 | 68 | -19.1 |
With one more win, the Tigers would play themselves out of this table. The same is true of the Mets. But, Tuesday night, the Giants lost to the Diamondbacks by seven runs. The Giants now have four games remaining. The best they can possibly do is to fall short of their projected win total by 22.5. That’s still a half-win worse than the Red Sox.
Therefore, one could argue the 2017 Giants are the most disappointing baseball team in at least 13 years. You don’t necessarily have to agree with that. There are plenty of other contenders. The point is just that there’s evidence. If projections reflect expectations, then, just in terms of actual wins, these Giants are going to fall short of expectations by the most.
How, exactly, has this happened? Time to get experimental. By that, I mean I’m going to mix some WARs. I collected the Giants’ position-by-position projections from our preseason Positional Power Rankings. Now, on FanGraphs, we don’t have actual WAR broken down by position. But you can find that on Baseball Reference, right here. The WARs are different, just because they use different inputs, but by and large they should tell you the same thing. They’re both measures, on the same scale, of individual player value. So even though I wouldn’t ordinary recommend doing what I’ve done, I think it’ll work well enough. And now, a table, breaking down the 2017 Giants, positionally.
| Position | Projected | Rank | Actual | Rank | WAR Difference | Rank Difference |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| C | 4.7 | 1 | 3.1 | 6 | -1.6 | -5 |
| 1B | 3.4 | 6 | 2.1 | 16 | -1.3 | -10 |
| 2B | 2.7 | 9 | 1.0 | 24 | -1.7 | -15 |
| SS | 3.7 | 6 | 1.7 | 18 | -2.0 | -12 |
| 3B | 2.1 | 20 | -1.6 | 30 | -3.7 | -10 |
| LF | 0.9 | 19 | -0.3 | 28 | -1.2 | -9 |
| CF | 1.7 | 24 | -2.0 | 30 | -3.7 | -6 |
| RF | 2.3 | 10 | -0.8 | 28 | -3.1 | -18 |
| SP | 16.4 | 7 | 7.9 | 16 | -8.5 | -9 |
| RP | 3.1 | 19 | 3.9 | 17 | 0.8 | 2 |
There are 10 positions shown. By major-league rank, the Giants have underachieved at nine of them. At five of those nine, the Giants have underachieved by double digits. The Giants were projected to be top-10 in five different areas. They’ve actually been top-10 at just one, thanks to Buster Posey. The table doesn’t include pinch-hitters. According to the numbers at Baseball Reference, the Giants are dead last there, at -1.1 WAR. Even at the little things, the Giants have had their problems.
Time to switch back just to FanGraphs WAR. Not a single player on the Giants has exceeded his preseason projected WAR by a full win. Ty Blach is the leader, at +0.7. There are 11 different players who have undershot their preseason projected WAR by at least that much. Six players have undershot by more than a win. Both Johnny Cueto and Madison Bumgarner have undershot by more than three wins. Bumgarner missed half the year because of his dirt-bike accident. Cueto has fought blisters, forearm discomfort, and general ineffectiveness. A rotation that was supposed to be a strength has instead been woefully inconsistent, and that was no way for these Giants to thrive. They were doomed further when they went on to have baseball’s worst all-around outfield. There have been small disappointments, and large disappointments. The final key to being a terrible team is to limit the number of pleasant surprises.
I might as well mention the Giants have used 18 players who weren’t projected to play for the Giants at the major-league level in March. Those players have combined to be worth -2.7 WAR. Did you know Drew Stubbs had been on this team? I didn’t.
On the field, the Giants have bottomed out. Whenever that happens, fans start to wonder about the future, to wonder about whether it would be wise to rebuild. I’ll say this for the Giants: I still don’t hate the core of the roster. Maybe that’s actually my problem, but I don’t buy the Giants as a disaster, not yet. Perhaps things really will be ugly for a while, but to leave on a positive note, look at the disappointing team the Giants have just eclipsed. Back in 2012, the Red Sox were led by Bobby Valentine to a 69-93 record. It was a drop of 21 wins from what was already a disappointing club in 2011. In 2013, the Red Sox won 97 games. Then they won 11 more, as they took the World Series. I’m not going to say it’s going to happen. I’m just saying it’s happened.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

Waiting for certain Giants fans to blame this all on the odd-year curse.
Is it an odd year? Far out.
Not this one. I just think this was just an aberration. There still is good talent on this roster. Matt Moore needs to go though. Samardzija has been unlucky this year but still is a very good pitcher with an excellent BB rate at 1.38 BB/9 and still is striking out batters at a good rate(8.97 K/9 as of now). More importantly he is sporting a 3.54 xFIP and 3.8 WAR.
But if you are unlucky every season…may you just suck?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news(to you) but his peripherals say he doesn’t suck. 3.8 WAR doesn’t suck. Are you new to analytics? It seems like it.
Yesh but if the pendulum never swings back, how do you explain it? You going to blame the weather or his defense for 10 years?
Over the last 6 seasons, he hasn’t had a WAR total of fewer than 2.7. How is that bad? I’m guessing you haven’t really looked at his numbers that closely. Six years ago is when he had his first year of what you would call a full seasons workload of innings. He has never been below replacement level in a full season.
FWIW, over the last 6 years, Samardzija has accumulated the 19th most WAR of all starting pitchers. Despite his 4.07 ERA over that time.
I’ve tried to point it out, many times, that Samardzija’s ERA problem is because he’s one of the most bi-polar pitchers in MLB. When his wheels come off, they really come off…
But those runs still count.
After tonight’s effort Samardzija has 20 quality starts on the season and is tied for 7th in quality starts. Despite being burned all year (as a flyball pitcher) by the worst OF in MLB.
That’s more than the Top Pitcher on over 20 clubs.
What Samardzija is, isn’t a bad pitcher. Mostly he’s a Top-20 guy (hence all the QS’s), but when things go bad for him, they go real bad. So his ERA tends to be higher that people find acceptable even though he’s, mostly, one of the better pitchers in MLB.
Samardzija would not be the ace on 20 other teams as you suggest. Dont get me wrong he does get a bad rep but he isn’t worth the 90 million or the forfeited 1st round pick
Jeff Samardzija is a prime example of why people need to use more than one site as a reference point (i.e Bref also). If a guy consistenly is an average to below average pitcher in terms of results, but an above average in terms of expeted results, do you think he is closer to the pitcher his results show, or the pitcher that fangraphs version of war paints?
Fangraphs has him at 2.7,2.7, 4.1, 2.5, 2.7, 3.8. Bref has him at 1.8, 1.0, 2.0, 1.7, 0.2, 2.8, 2.1.
So bref has him as a borderline average pitcher (avg 1.9 war last 6 years) and fangraphs has him as a well above average pither (3.1 avg war). One year the numbers are close to each other, 2016. The rest of the years they are not even close to each other. So if a guy never is quite as get as fip would suggest he is, over a VERY SIGNIFICANT sample, would you venture that he is closer in quality to his results, or his fip? I mean, is it not obvious?
I think that we have a bad memory when it comes to Samardzija. His FIP and ERA aren’t *that* different most years. He even occasionally beats his FIP. This year, with his 4.42 ERA and 3.61 FIP, is definitely the largest gap. In 2015, no one was arguing about this because Samardzija was just okay. In 2014, no one was arguing about this because Samardzija was great.
When you’re arguing about the supposed divergence in value you’re mostly arguing about this year.
One other thing–this whole “let’s use bWAR as an alternative” is ridiculous. bWAR doesn’t do a terribly good job of estimating pitcher value because it improperly adjusts for defense, so who cares? It’s a solution in search of a problem, and a pretty bad solution at that.
He has 18.7 fWAR and 12.3 bWAR. He doesn’t “suck” overall based on bWAR/ERA, but he’s nowhere near as good by that measure, and he’s been pretty consistently nowhere near as good. FIP works for most pitchers, but there are clearly guys who out and underperform where it’s not just random.
You may have to wait a while. The grumpy Guses seem to picked Bochy as the target. I suppose, no surprise there. Difficult times happen to every team and its fans, my single hope is they don’t descend to level of Phillies fans.
I clicked on this with actual glee.
Believen!
This article was tough to read but I thank you Jeff for writing it because as A die hard SF fan, it is something I needed to read and I think all Giants fans should.
BUT….They will not be this bad next year. They will find some way to get some outfield offense and move Span from CF(worst in MLB by DRS). This was just a horrible aberration(I think, or rather I hope).
I’m also a diehard, and this team is old, slow, and needs too much help to go all in next year. I’m tired of trading our best prospects and going all out every season with a shallow supporting cast. Take a year. Or two. Build a team that’s meant to last awhile. We got rid of the worst CF (Pagan) and replaced him with another worst (Span) Pence is not a star anymore. LF hasn’t been a positive since Bonds left. There’s no team speed, and every minor league team finished in last place this season! Keep Mad Bum and Buster in place, Crawford too. Free up a bunch of money. Sign some top flight interntional players. Maybe look at replacing Bobby Evans. I’m avoiding the “R word, but going all in again next season to compete is not a good decision.
I, too, hope they won’t be this bad next year.
I hope they will be worse. 🙂
30-something dudes don’t magically recover the ability to play center field. Denard Span’s future is as a sub-adequate corner bat.
The entire Giants OF produced a negative WAR. I don’t know why any of this was a surprise though. Aging outfielders in CF and RF in one of the most spacious OFs in baseball while they had no plan for LF. Why were the projections so high in the first place?
Span is the worst OF in the game according to DRS. That was a big reason for his bad season. I agree with you about not having a good plan for LF. They had a plan but it was for Jarred Parker or Mac Williamson to play there, both guys that have no track record of success at the big league level.
Also goes without saying that the OF defense negatively impacted the pitching staff. Samardzija is a way better pitcher than his (traditional) stats say.
Thanks for saying that. I have been making that point to this guy in comments above and he doesn’t get it.
I suspect the OF offense also negatively impacted the pitching staff.
Hope 2 guys with no track record can be or combine to be a quality ML outfielder sounds more like a prayer than a plan.
I dunno. Parker and Williamson, the projected LF platoon in March, both have had a bit more than just cups of coffee with the big club in the past couple of years, basically deserved a shot at showing if they were AAAA guys or not and have flashed the kind of power that the team needs so badly. It’s not uncommon for teams to go into the season with starting jobs for similar cusp-y guys like these 2. They just both got hurt early as a part of nearly everything that could go wrong doing that.
Usually, when teams hand over starting jobs to guys with little track record, it’s because they’re top prospects who are just starting their Major League careers aside from a cup of coffee or two. Doing it with guys who have bounced up and down for a while is generally not a good idea.
Maybe yer preseason projections stunk worse than the Giants this year?
Considering they had just won 87 games and added Mark Melancon, no, probably not.
Interesting aside: 9 of the 10 expected playoff teams are in the top 12 on the Actual – Projected Win% chart. The Cubs are #25.
I just have a hard time picturing the Giants roster as being good. They have Bumgarner and Posey. They are two of the best players in the game. Cueto should be better, and Belt has been hurt, but outside of that it is a bunch of punch and judy back up infield/ slap hitting outfielders. In todays game where most regulars hit 20 hrs, they have not 1 player who will get to 20 hrs. If the season went another 60 games at their current pace the only guy who would get there is Brandon Belt. How can they intend to compete when no one can hit the ball over the fence? This is like a 2014 mlb team, not a 2017 team.
Brandon belt and brandon crawford can be expected to be 4 win players, hunter pence hasnt been good. Their staff has truly disappointed. They should have grabbed an elite defender in center as a bench piece preseason though. It’s an aging team and they knew that, those teams really need depth and late inning replacements help throughout the season.
Jarrod Dyson would have been an excellent grab preseason for them.
They also have no elite prospects and one of the thinnest farm systems in baseball.
It’s an important point. The Giants front office and talent evaluation system still sees prospect evaluation from the ‘how far can you spit tobacco juice, how pretty is your girlfriend’ perspective. It’s pretty primitive, IMO, from the analytics POV.
As a Mets fan who has struggled with the disappointment that has been this season it is hard to believe the Giants have fallen even further. Not doubting the story, just, sorry Giants fans.
So what happened then? Lots of data about shortcomings of value, but very little talk of the actual players and their play. What happened to Crawford, Belt, Pence? Aren’t they all supposed to be good?
The Brandons haven’t been too bad, and Crawford’s underlying numbers suggest he deserved better results.
As for Hunter Pence, he’s 34 and frankly I’ve been waiting for the decline to hit for a while. This may be the end of the road for him.
Possibly the most amazing thing about this is they didn’t (couldn’t?) have a sell off that helped achieve the #. While The Mets & Tigers have both been underachieving, a significant portion of that can be attributed to trading off quality players- JV, JD, Wilson, Avila, Upton for Detroit, Bruce & Grandy for NYM. Add in the crazy ass injury problems that NYM has had & you can see how Detroit & NYM underacheived, just by looking at their transactions.
Not so much with SFG. They’ve had some injuries (MadBum being the most obvious), but, nothing like NYM. It really has mostly been about existing players almost all having bad years/falling off the cliff & young guys not taking the next step.
FWIW, the Mets also traded Duda, Walker and Reed, all with at least 1.0 bWAR at the time.
Good point. I was doing it off the top of my head & knew they had probably made other moves, just couldn’t recall what they actually were.
SF’s only deadline trade was Eduardo Nunez.
Who did they have, at a decent contract, that could have been “sold off?” Posey and Mad Bum weren’t going anywhere. Who else had value to deal to a contender? Strickland, maybe, and he’s likely seen as a bad clubhouse guy at this point.
Nuñez (they did trade him), Crawford and Strickland.
Which contender needed a shortstop? I hear ya, he’s real good, and yet this is the era of great shortstops. I can’t name a contender who would’ve replaced their starter with him.
After the end to the 2011 season, the 2012 Red Sox might have been the least disappointing “most disappointing team” in memory.
Oh…as a diehard Giants fan, don’t forget….yes it was a horrible season for us, but when the Dodgers choke again in the post-season, it will still have been a good year! And I promise to come back and take your abuse if they win. But they won’t. And we’ll wear our “Dynasty” sweatshirts all winter with smiles while continuing to wonder how the hell we won 3 in 5.
As a Giants fan, does it ever get annoying that the Giants’ identity is based on comparisons to the Dodgers?
Annoying? No. Pathetic? Probably.