The Separate Paths of Craig Kimbrel and the Red Sox

With just over three weeks before Opening Day, Craig Kimbrel remains a free agent, and the Red Sox, whom he helped win the World Series last fall, don’t have a bona fide closer. For as sensible as a reunion might seem, it’s unlikely to happen, as the Red Sox appear more willing to experiment with late-inning roles among relatively untested pitchers than to invest heavily in a dominant pitcher who nonetheless showed signs of decline last year, or to increase their considerable tax bill. It’s a set of choices that’s very 2019, to say the least, though the bullpen will need a breakout performance or two for their plan to succeed.

Kimbrel, who turns 31 on May 28, is coming off a season in which he saved 42 games, his highest total since 2014, and made his seventh All-Star team. But he struggled after the All-Star break (4.57 ERA and 3.58 FIP in 21.2 innings), and finished with the highest FIP (3.13) and home run rate (1.01 per nine) of his career and the second-highest ERA (2.74) and walk rate (12.6%). While his knuckle-curve remained unhittable (20.9% swinging strike rate, with batters “hitting” .082/.176/.098 on 68 PA ending with the pitch), the average velocity of his four-seam fastball slipped to 97.5 mph, his lowest mark since 2011, and the pitch was hit comparatively hard (.171/.292/.388) while accounting for all seven of the homers he yielded. In the postseason, he surrendered runs in his first four appearances before discovering that he was tipping his pitches; he corrected the problem by setting up with his glove at his waist, and was scored upon in just one of his final five October outings.

Fixed though he may be, Kimbrel has produced just one season out of the past four (2017, when he posted a 1.43 ERA and 1.42 FIP) that’s in the ballpark of his 2011-14 stretch, when he was the game’s top reliever (1.51 ERA, 1.52 FIP, 11.1 WAR). He entered the winter reportedly seeking a six-year deal worth over $100 million, a price tag that might have been a pipe dream even without his relatively shaky platform season given the frosty turn of the free agent market.

Not helping matters is that three of the majors’ highest-spending teams are already rather spent in the closer market, namely the Yankees (who signed Aroldis Chapman to a five-year, $86 million deal in December 2016), Dodgers (who re-signed Kenley Jansen to a five-year, $80 million deal in January 2017), and Giants (who signed Mark Melancon to a four-year, $62 million deal in December 2016). According to Forbes’ end-of-year figures, those teams are respectively ranked sixth, fourth, and third in payroll, with the two teams ahead of them, the Nationals and Red Sox, the only ones who actually exceeded the $197 million Competitive Balance Tax Threshold. More on both of those teams momentarily.

While a recent rumor that Kimbrel was willing to sit out the season if no team met his price was quickly debunked, he remains unsigned, and interest from teams like the Phillies and Braves has hinged on short-term deals. The latter, the team that drafted and developed Kimbrel, hasn’t done anything substantial to fix a bullpen that was below average last year, beyond hoping that midseason acquisition Darren O’Day, acquired as a poison pill in the Kevin Gausman trade, has recovered from season-ending right hamstring surgery. The unit’s current projection of 2.6 WAR ranks 16th out of 30 teams. The Phillies’ bullpen, which most notably added free agent David Robertson as well as former Mariners Juan Nicasio and James Pazos, are projected for 4.2 WAR.

The Nationals, who according to Cot’s Contracts are projected to be $10.5 million below this year’s $206 million CBT threshold, have maintained interest in Kimbrel, and given their recent bullpen debacles and their current reliance on oft-injured Sean Doolittle and Tommy John surgery returnee Trevor Rosenthal, they appear to have need for the fireballer. They would likely need to make a salary-cutting move or two to give themselves some breathing room under the tax threshold, particularly given that as three-time offenders, they will pay a 50% marginal tax rate on the overages.

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And then there’s the Red Sox, who according to Cots are already [puts on special payroll-viewing goggles] nearly $31.6 million over the threshold, facing not only a 30% marginal tax rate as second-time offenders but also a 12% surtax for being between $20 million and $40 million over. Re-signing Kimbrel to even a one-year, $9 million deal would not only push them out of that range and into one that, if I’m reading this correctly, boosts their surtax to 42.5%; it would also mean that they would also have their top pick in the upcoming June amateur draft moved back 10 places. All of which seems rather draconian. MLB Trade Rumors, which uses slightly different payroll figures via Roster Resource, estimated that to pay Kimbrel a one-year, $17.5 million salary (thus exceeding Wade Davis‘ $17.33 million to set an AAV record for relievers) would cost an additional $11.564 million in taxes. Woof.

So that’s not happening, and while we wait for some other team to meet Kimbrel’s price — my money is still on Atlanta — Boston’s bullpen is worth a closer look. Last year, with Kimbrel in tow, the unit ranked a modest sixth in the AL in WAR (4.9), but third in FIP- (92), fourth in ERA- (83), and fifth in K-BB% (15.3%). In losing Kimbrel and the often erratic Joe Kelly, who after leading the team with 65.2 relief innings signed a free agent deal with the Dodgers, the team has shed a pair that accounted for 21.8% of their bullpen’s innings and 44.9% of their WAR (1.5 for Kimbrel, 0.7 for Kelly).

Nobody new of any note has come into the fold besides Jenrry Mejia, who signed a minor league deal in January after being reinstated from a PED-related, lifetime ban that cost him the past 3 1/2 seasons. Via our depth charts, the primary pool of relievers appears to consist of lefties Brian Johnson and Bobby Poyner, and righties Matt Barnes, Ryan Brasier, Heath Hembree, Tyler Thornburg, Hector Velazquez, Marcus Walden, and Brandon Workman, with knuckleballer Steven Wright coming along slowly after arthroscopic surgery on his left knee [update: and also suspended for 80 games due to a PED violation] and Carson Smith not available until sometime in midseason as he works his way back from last June’s shoulder surgery.

None of those pitchers besides Mejia, who saved 28 games in 2014 but did not even get a non-roster invitation to Boston’s big league camp, has much major league closing experience. Thornburg owns 13 career saves, all from 2016 with the Brewers, before he was traded (for Travis Shaw) and missed all of 2017 and half of ’18 due to surgery to correct thoracic outlet syndrome. Barnes owns two saves, Waldman and Wright one apiece, and that’s it, though some of the aforementioned pitchers did close in the minors. This apparently does not faze the Red Sox, who may not anoint a single pitcher for ninth-inning duties. From the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier:

As the Red Sox contemplate how they’ll handle ninth-inning responsibilities in a post-Kimbrel world, the team seems increasingly open to the possibility of taking a flexible approach to the later stages of the game rather than making an unwavering commitment to one person for the last three outs.

Manager Alex Cora reiterated on Sunday morning that he has “a pretty good idea of what I want to do” with the ninth inning, but that the topic is one that is currently subject to organizational debate — a conversation driven less by how individual pitchers perform in spring training than by what the organization is willing to do with them. He opened the door to the possibility of using matchups to dictate the back end of the bullpen structure.

“We know who [the relievers] are. We know the stuff. It’s just about the plan. The plan will be out there on March 28th,” Cora said, referring to the Opening Day date against the Mariners. “It’s just a matter of, see what we’re going to do as an organization, what plan we’re going to do, how comfortable are we with a closer or mixing it up, or getting people out in certain situations? We still have a lot of days to see how we feel about it.”

Those well-versed in Red Sox history may recall the team’s ill-fated 2003 “closer by committee” plan, which fared poorly and ultimately led to the late May acquisition of Byung-Hyun Kim from the Diamondbacks. As Speier points out, current pitching coach Dana LeVangie was that team’s bullpen coach. But those were different times, and the past few years have seen teams show more open-mindedness about late-inning reliever usage, with roles — including who finishes the ninth — less rigidly defined. Ninth-inning-wise, think the 2016-18 Indians, with Andrew Miller (or, when Miller was hurt in 2018, Brad Hand) occasionally taking save chances instead of Cody Allen; or last year’s Cubs, with Pedro Strop, Steve Cishek, and Jesse Chavez all used to cover for the second-half absence of Brandon Morrow; or last year’s Brewers, who had three pitchers (Corey Knebel, Jeremy Jeffress, and Josh Hader) save at least 10 games without manager Craig Counsell relying upon any one of them as his main guy.

There’s no reason why the Red Sox, an organization as analytically inclined as those teams, couldn’t get away with a similar approach, given a manager who’s comfortable with such an arrangement and talented pitchers who can boil the job down to “go in and get outs,” as Hader described his role last year. Cora, who as a rookie manager piloted the Red Sox to a franchise-record 108 wins and a World Series victory over the Dodgers, appears quite qualified and game for the challenge. Barnes and Brasier, the two pitchers most likely to figure into a late-game plan, both sound receptive and upbeat via Speier’s reporting. We’re a far cry from 2015, when Angels closer Huston Street declared that he’d rather retire than be used in high-leverage situations outside of the ninth.

Of course, the success of such a plan isn’t just dependent upon player buy-in but also execution, and it’s there that the Red Sox may have more to worry about. With the personnel on hand, the team’s bullpen projects to rank 23rd in the majors in WAR. Here’s how the key individuals that I mentioned stack up with regards to 2018 performance and 2019 projections:

Red Sox Bullpen, 2018-19
Name IP K% BB% ERA FIP WAR Proj IP Proj ERA Proj FIP Proj WAR
Matt Barnes 61.2 36.2% 11.7% 3.65 2.71 1.3 65 3.42 3.32 1.1
Ryan Brasier 33.2 23.4% 5.7% 1.60 2.83 0.7 65 3.87 3.92 0.6
Heath Hembree 60.0 29.2% 10.4% 4.20 4.19 0.2 60 3.95 3.93 0.4
Bobby Poyner 22.1 25.8% 3.2% 3.22 4.01 0.2 50 4.43 4.53 0.0
Hector Velazquez 54.2 12.8% 5.6% 2.63 3.53 0.5 50 4.48 4.57 -0.1
Marcus Walden 14.2 23.7% 5.1% 3.68 2.07 0.3 50 4.31 4.25 0.0
Steven Wright 29.2 20.5% 13.1% 1.52 4.07 0.1 50 4.44 4.62 -0.1
Tyler Thornburg 24.0 19.6% 9.4% 5.63 6.04 -0.3 50 4.84 4.90 -0.2
Brandon Workman 41.1 22.2% 9.6% 3.27 4.42 0.0 30 4.35 4.35 0.0
Brian Johnson* 38.2 20.5% 9.0% 4.19 3.91 0.2 19 4.99 5.01 0.1
2018 statistics are for relief usage only. * = projection based upon usage as a starter.

Much depends upon the continued success of Barnes and Brasier, however they’re deployed. Barnes, a 2011 first-round pick who has spent virtually all of the past four seasons in Boston’s bullpen, more or less ditched his slider in favor of further emphasizing his curve, which generated a career-best 18.0% swing-and-miss rate (up from 12.5% to 13.5% from 2015-17); his 36.2% K rate ranked ninth among the 151 relievers with at least 50 innings last year, while his 2.71 FIP ranked 22nd.

Brasier didn’t join the Red Sox bullpen until July 9 last year, his first major league appearance since September 27, 2013, with the Angels, for whom he made seven appearances that season. In the interim, he lost a year and a half to Tommy John surgery, spent a year and a half in the A’s chain and then a season in Japan, and finally spent half a season closing in Pawtucket, where he pitched his way to the Triple-A All-Star Game on the back of a 1.34 ERA and a 40/8 K/BB ratio in 40.1 innings before getting called up and carrying over a similarly effective performance to the majors. Both pitchers came up big in October, which should lessen fears about whether they can handle the pressure of the ninth inning during the regular season, even if the usage pattern is less regular than your average ninth-inning guy.

It’s the rest of the cast that carries the bigger question marks; most of them project to be more or less replacement level, and they’ll need a few somebodies to step up — perhaps Thornburg rediscovering his pre-surgical form, Hembree avoiding the gopher balls (1.5 per nine over the past two seasons), Smith giving the team a midseason shot in the arm, and so on. Maybe Mejia shakes off the rust and pitches his way to an unlikely comeback. Maybe rookies like Poyner and Travis Lakins (10th on the team’s prospect list) break through. Perhaps president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski can augment this core with an inexpensive signing or a judicious trade, if not in March then by midseason. There’s little doubt that the Sox, even without Kimbrel, have the talent and firepower to repeat as division winners. But particularly if they hope to do so as champions, somewhere within this group, they’re going to have to get a little lucky.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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Da Bum
7 years ago

Wish this dove into the Kimbrel situation a bit more. Are there teams that could unexpectedly sign him, ones that have a need and room in the budget? What does the Atlanta bullpen look like now for closer?

Probably should have been two separate articles. The Red Sox bullpen stuff was great but sidetracked from the Kimbrel stuff.

Not trying to be a jerk or overly critical. Jaffe is great.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

Teams that could really use him: Rockies (blew their money on three losers last year and are unwilling to give up on sunk costs); Red Sox (don’t want to move back 10 spots in the draft); Angels (if they want to spend money/give up pick, they should go for Keuchel); Cubs (weird payroll considerations going on there); Cleveland (been crying poor all winter); Nationals (concerned with going over tax).

The Phillies and the Braves make a lot of sense since they seem to have the payroll space available and no one “set” as the closer, although I’m not sure either one “needs” him (the Braves might more than the Phillies). Personally, I’d like to see Cleveland jump in. They don’t need to do things to win the division, but they do need to do things to win in the playoffs, and what could help them more than Kimbrel?

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree but Cleveland’s approach seems to be to acquire as many low cost bullpen options as possible and let them fight it out. So far we have:

Brad Hand
Adam Cimber
Nick Goody
Jon Edwards
Tyler Olson
Dan Otero
Oliver Perez
Neil Ramirez
Ben Taylor
Nick Wittgren
Alex Wilson
Tyler Clippard

You could probably also include Cody Anderson, Danny Salazar, Chih-Wei Hu, Adam Plutko, and Nick Sandlin on the list as well (did I miss anyone?).

Anyway, I expect Cleveland to get off to their typical slow start, as Francona sorts through all the options and figures out who he can and can’t rely upon.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

They also have Jefry Rodriguez and they’re giving him a lot of chances, so far, to pitch himself back to the minors. He has the arm but his control…

The likeliests to stick so far seem to be;
Hand
Cimber
Perez
Otero
Goody
Ramirez
If healthy:
Anderson
Salazar
The auditions are mostly to establish the pecking order for the Columbus shuttle.

The really interesting races are in the OF, where the cast of thousands is looking decidedly bimodal. Some of the kids are looking pretty hungry.

They might yet dig up a long term solution from the casting call.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Olson has looked good as well. And I’d be shocked if Clippard doesn’t make the team.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I fully expect Jefry Rodriguez to turn into an all-star closer with Cleveland, since that’s what happens every time the Nats trade away a young reliever.

Oswald321
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Clippard could be a diamond in the rough

averagejoe15Member since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Any team hoping to compete outside of maybe the Yankees could use him.

Teams in contention as I see it are: NYY, BOS, TBR, CLE, MIN, LAA, HOU, OAK, NYM, PHI, ATL, WAS, CHC, STL, CIN, MIL, PIT, LAD, SDP, and COL.

Why they likely won’t sign Kimbrel:
-Tapped out on payroll for opening day: CLE, LAA, NYM, MIL, CHC, BOS
-Full pen: NYY
-Historically small spenders: TBR, OAK, PIT

Each of these remaining teams has their own excuses for not investing:
-As mentioned, COL made heavy investments in a closer and the pen last year
-MIN is in wait and see mode (eye roll)
-ATL has a glut of young pitchers that could pitch in the rotation or the pen and want to see what they have
-PHI has already spent big this offseason, though they will still have plenty of payroll space over the term of a 3 year deal
-WAS and LAD have luxury tax considerations (WAS is over, LAD trying to stay under)
-CIN is at a record payroll, but most of it is for 2019 only
-STL is probably wary after the Holland debacle (though not comparable to Kimbrel IMO) they also have uncertainty as to where Reyes and Martinez will ultimately end up
-SDP aren’t quite at a stage where a closer is the best use of resources

Ultimately I think the majority of teams are waiting to see if Kimbrel will sign for 2 years to avoid the Wade Davis deal. I get the feeling Kimbrel is stuck on at least beating the Wade Davis, 3 years $51M.

Another part of the issues is that some of these teams also make sense for Keuchel and it’s unlikely any 1 team signs both. So there’s a waiting game to see who drops their price to an acceptable level first.

Personally, I’d love to see the Reds sign him and have Iglesias play the Andrew Miller/Josh Hader role.

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

while you might be right about the salary capping out, there’s not really room for Kimbrel in the Mets’ pen.

bjsguess
7 years ago
Reply to  hebrew

There is room in anyone’s pen for Kimbrel.

rhdx
7 years ago
Reply to  bjsguess

Not at his ridiculous salary demands.

Johnston
7 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

“Not at his ridiculous salary demands.”

And that’s the problem. If he would accept what analytics says he’s actually worth then he’d have been signed long ago.

Jack Automatic
7 years ago
Reply to  bjsguess

His elbows take up a lot of room when he does that vulture thing.

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  hebrew

If Kimbrel is dead-set on being the closer, you’re right.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

St Louis also picked up Andrew Miller.
And they have no shortage of hard throwers.
There really aren’t many teams out there willing to drop a nine figure deal on a reliever.

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

No team has ever dropped close to a nine figure deal on a reliever. At this point, not many teams are willing to drop half that on a reliever.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

FWIW I don’t agree that WAS needs Kimbrel. Doolittle as closer and Rosenthal as backup is perfectly fine. Adding Kimbrel might even ruffle feathers, who knows?

WAS needs middle relief. Yes, adding Kimbrel pushes out that last reliever, but that’s a really expensive way to do it.

No, there isn’t a ton of middle relief still out on the market. Granted.

bjsguess
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Banking on Rosenthal is definitely a glass half full situation. To have him as the primary backup to an effective, but always injured, Doolittle, isn’t an optimal solution.

Jack Automatic
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

If adding Kimbrel ruffles feathers, the team should just point to the Yankees bullpen and their five+ closers happily working together and tell Doolittle and Rosenthal to zip it.

jb1245
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

While it’d be pretty fun to see Kimbrel in a Cleveland uniform, I don’t think that’s likely at this point, for the reason you stated.

dcweber99
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

I think the simplest way to view Kimbrel is that he’s an oversupply of closing relative to artificially constrained demand. The Red Sox need him, but both sides seem to recognize there isn’t going to be a mutually agreeable price point, so you only really have three of four other teams with all of the following:

1) possible need at closer;
2) being close enough to contention that it makes sense to spend on a closer;
3) the financial wherewithal or tax flexibility to fit him in; and
4) are willing to sacrifice a draft pick to sign him.

In hindsight, Kimbrel probably should have accepted the QO.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  dcweber99

I suspect that, were he willing to sign for one year, he could do better than the QO tomorrow. I think he wants a long term deal.

dcweber99
7 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

$20 million and a draft pick for one year of a closer coming off of an iffy year (tipping pitches aside, it’s still going to cause some pause) seems unlikely without a team-friendly, team-option tacked on.

DBA455
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

I just think it’s nice for Huston Street that his wish came true …

docgooden85Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

Haha agreed. That said, I don’t blame Street for trying to maximize his short-term earnings after Augie Garrido tried to make his arm fall off in college. It’s not like pitchers are unaware their arms are ticking time bombs.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

One more reason for the Red Sox to have little interest in a long-term deal with Kimbrel: they probably want as much room as possible to sign Mookie to a long-term extension (to say nothing about Bogaerts, JBJ, etc.)

rideci789
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

Not trying to be a jerk or overly critical. Jaffe is gre

rideci789
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

Jaffe

rideci789
7 years ago
Reply to  Da Bum

ish this dove into the Kimbrel situation a bit more. Are there teams that could unexpectedly sign him, ones that have a need and room in the budget? What does the Atlanta bullpen look like now for clos

averagejoe15Member since 2024
7 years ago

Durbin Feltman is another guy to keep in mind as a mid season upgrade who is already in the system. He should be moved pretty aggressively as long as he’s pitching effectively. There is also plenty of upside in the guys they have especially Thornburg, Smith, Mejia, and a guy a lot of people think could break out in Colton Brewer. But a team with Boston’s resources shouldn’t really have to play reliever roulette on any given night especially with a guy like Kimbrel still available.

While I’d love to have Kimbrel back, the luxury tax world the MLB operates in is going to prevent that from happening. Even a 2 or 3 year deal clogs up dollars potentially needed for Sale, Bogaerts, and Betts. Can John Henry afford all of these contracts if he really wanted to? Sure, but teams don’t operate that way anymore and the Sox are already an outlier being above the first tier in the lux tax.

Fans can be mad at the owners for not spending, but a lot of this is also on the union for agreeing to the luxury tax structure that is currently in place.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Just sell off Adam Lallana, Daniel Sturridge, and Simon Mignolet and Henry will have plenty of money for Kimbrel

London Yank
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Alternatively, the Sox could try Sturridge at closer. He’s been a decent enough finisher throughout his career.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Haha true and it’s not like they are building any additional value spending most of the year on the bench.

I was worried how the Liverpool acquisition would impact the Red Sox. (Oddly enough I was a Liverpool fan even before the acquisition). So far the answer seems to be 0 impact. Doesn’t hurt that most of Liverpool’s spending is on Barca’s dime between the Suarez and Coutinho sales.

The union made it too easy on owners to justify staying below the luxury tax, especially that second tier. They essentially negotiated a cap without a substantial floor. Maybe they thought that forcing teams to reinvest revenue sharing was enough of a pseudo floor and that’s why they went after the Pirates, Rays, and Marlins last year. But I don’t think they specifically stated it needs to be put towards player payroll which is a crucial piece of missing contract language.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

I don’t think anyone should be worried about going over the luxury tax. Despite the obsession with going over, the penalties really are quite mild: The rates are low, and because 25 teams at any given time will be under the tax, no team gets that much money.

I do think, however, that going over the top threshold and moving back 10 spots in the draft is something that they really don’t want to do, and I don’t blame them. Aside from the money, that’s something that long-term would hurt the ability of the baseball ops team to get the guys they want.

Of course, this is a World Series caliber roster without an established closer, so at some point you just have to say f**k it and just do it.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree I think the draft pick penalty is a steeper penalty than the union assumed it would be. Though moving from pick 30 to pick 40 is not nearly the same as moving from pick 5 to 15 in terms of talent difference.

I also agree that the lux tax penalty isn’t significant if teams are slightly going over or not consistently going over year to year. However, the higher you go and the longer you stay over are significant.

I think the crux of the issue is that from a competitive advantage standpoint teams don’t have a good reason to go over. Since there are still teams running sub $100M payrolls, the bigger market teams can still outspend half the league without running a re-occurring penalty. Going above the lux tax doesn’t give MLB teams as much of a competitive advantage as it would if more teams were spending at a higher level.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

This is why I think the Red Sox were willing to go over the threshold once they were on track to pick late anyway. You really don’t want to be moving back 10 spots if there’s a chance you’ll be picking around #12.

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s why there should be a tiered stepback. So that #1-5 moves back, say 3 spots, 6-10 moves back 5, 11-15 moves back 7, and 16+ moves back 10 (or whatever).

Golden Sombrero
7 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Agreed that guys like Durbin Feltman, Travis Lakins, and Colton Brewer are all part of the potential 2019 plans and are among the reasons that the Sox seem content not to make a big bullpen signing. If they hit on even 1 or 2 guys in the reliever roulette like they did with Brasier last year, then the complexion of the bullpen starts to look a lot different.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

It’s not just 2019 plans. I’m a little skeptical that Feltman will be ready to be this good in 2019, but he and Hernandez both look like potential elite closers starting in 2020. Add in good depth with Poyner, Lakins, Brewer to the Brasier/Barnes/Hembree mix and you’ve got the makings of a solid 2020 bullpen.

If they could sign Kimbrel to a 1-year deal, I think that would be something that they should leap at, because in 2020 the kids might be ready.

sggutierrezMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed. It seems pretty clear to me that front office is high on Feltman and Hernandez, who could both contribute fairly early in 2019. Kiley and Eric said this about Feltman in the prospects writeup:

“If forced to pick one prospect from the 2018 draft to throw a big league inning tomorrow, we might pick Feltman, who has an electric fastball/slider combination. ”

They also say Darwinzon Hernandez’ stuff is “on par with many of the best lefty relievers in baseball.”

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
7 years ago

As a frustrated Sox fan, I’m going outside the box here: Bartolo Colon for closer. Big man needs a job and we’ve needed someone to root for in the bullpen ever since El Guapo left town.

scooter262
7 years ago

As a Sox fan, I’m worried: very, very worried.

Mike NMN
7 years ago

The Red Sox can certainly be confident that they start out as a team that is going to be close to 100 wins, regardless of Kimbrel. So, what’s the value of adding Kimbrel now? Let’s assume he makes them a net two wins better. Maybe that’s the difference between a Division or a Wild Card, but likely not. I’m a Yankees fan, so not exactly unbiased, but I don’t see what the purpose of the spend would be. If I were the Red Sox, I’d rather allocate my resources elsewhere, and, if there is any dry powder, use it midseason in case an injury to a key player emerges. I just don’t see Kimbrel enough of a difference-maker for this team to be worth a huge spend. He’s probably worth more to a different team.

ScottyBMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Agreed. I think it is probable the Red Sox add a closer/bullpen ace at the deadline, and muddle through in the bullpen until then.

fjtorres
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

The Yankees have a bigger problem on their hands today: Severino.
Looks like Keuchel’s agent’s prayers were answered.

Mike NMN
7 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’d be surprised is Keuchel is going to get a mega-offer from the Yankees. And I don’t think Boras, even at this late date, is going to accept something small.

bjsguess
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

Having money available for a mid-season acquisition is great. The big difference between now and then is talent. You give up very little talent (slightly worse draft pick). To acquire a top tier closer at the deadline … well, that’s expensive before we even get to the dollars. Miller, Chapman and others have helped set a rather high bar for teams to cross when it comes to mid-season acquisitions.

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike NMN

The Sox and Yankees are very evenly matched and two wins could easily be the difference between a wild card and the division.

It’s also very weird that you don’t mention the postseason, where dominant relievers are the most valuable.

ascheffMember since 2017
7 years ago

I think the reason teams are hesitant to spend what it would take to land Kimbrel can be summed up in these two screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/0MnqHsp

It’s true that the Yankees spend a lot on the bullpen and have a great bullpen, but they would still have one of the two or three best bullpens in the game at half the cost without Chapman, and they had a clear plan for getting under the luxury tax limit even with the Chapman contract. Same thing with the Dodgers and Jansen. The Yankees and Dodgers spent real money on those guys because they had so much cost controlled talent everywhere else that they didn’t have any real holes to plug.

The way to build great bullpens is to throw a bunch of seven digit deals at former starting pitcher prospects and bounce back candidates, hope some of it sticks, and then trade for someone else’s good relievers in July. High leverage relief pitching is more important than ever in the postseason, but 1) teams are using starters to pitch their highest leverage innings (Kershaw, Price, Sale, Verlander, Morton, etc, etc) and 2) relievers are less reliable in the long term and easier to acquire in the short term than players at any other position. Not wanting to commit five or six years and nine figures to Craig Kimbrel makes a ton of sense. Even though the Cubs and Red Sox have weaknesses in the bullpen, it would be shortsighted to commit $100 million luxury taxed dollars to one reliever, even one as good as Kimbrel. They’re better off using that money to extend Bogaerts or Hendricks, who would be more expensive but more impactful in the long run.

Austin
7 years ago

Kimbrel wants over three times the money as Familia and twice the length in terms of years and Familia has had a higher WAR three of the last four years and is actually younger… simply put Kimbrel is being a jackass

Tony Wisconsin
7 years ago
Reply to  Austin

He’s not being a jackass. He and his agent might have misplayed their hand, but Kimbrel is fourth in reliever fWAR over the past four seasons, and the two pitchers ahead of him that made it to free agency got 5/$60M and an opt out (Jansen), and 5/$86M (Chapman). He’s just a year older than Chapman and Jansen were when they signed, and he doesn’t have any history of serious or recurring injury. 6/$100M sounded ridiculous, but that’s basically the Chapman contract with another year at a reduced salary tacked on.

Even if you think 2019 Kimbrel is not as good as those two, a 32 year old Mark Melancon got 4/$62M in 2017, and a 32 year old Wade Davis got 3/$52M plus a vesting option on a fourth year just last offseason. I don’t think most people were expecting him to have to possibly settle for less in guarantees and AAV than those two at the start of free agency.

The problem is that his own team basically took themselves out of the bidding immediately, and the other teams with money to spend already have their closer.

Austin
7 years ago
Reply to  Tony Wisconsin

So in comparison to Jansen and Chapman, the older guy wants the longer contract. Yeah he’s being a jackass.

But if we want to dive deeper into it kimbrels fastball velo last year was at its lowest since 2011. His ERA jumped in the second half to 4.57 and his soft contact rate dropped 10% and that’s not including his lackluster postseason stats which included 2 HR 8 BB and 2 HBP in only 10.2 innings. So why would teams look and see a closer who is possibly beginning his downturn and sign him to a record reliever contract?

But there’s more since you invited Jansen and Chapman into the case let’s compare their stats. Jansen prior to signing his contract never posted an ERA higher than 2.76 since taking over the full time closer role. Chapman had never posted an ERA over 2.54 since he had become a full time closer. Both had never posted less than 1.7 WAR as a closer. Kimbrel albeit only one season has a 3.40 ERA and 1.2 WAR season on his resume and it was relatively recently. So just looking at their track records it’s fair to say Jansen and Chapman both being younger without any questionable past were worth more than Kimbrel.

Lastly, just look at Chapman and Jansen since signing those contracts Jansen posted 0.4 WAR last season and Chapman has posted 2 of his 3 worst seasons by WAR as a closer since signing. And yes maybe Jansen’s heart issues are impacting his on field performance but you would assume he wasn’t only on the mound when comfortable. So the two largest contract relievers each have given other teams reason to hesitate at a big/long contract on a closer. Then you add in Wade Davis last year…. Kimbrel is fighting an uphill battle and the fact that he’s dug his feet in and is still unsigned at this point… I repeat… he’s being a jackass

mookie monster
7 years ago
Reply to  Austin

I don’t hold it against him, it must be frustrating to be one of the very best in the world at something at the very moment the demand for that thing collapses. But it does seem he may have misjudged that situation.

tunglashrMember since 2016
7 years ago

Grammatical quibble:

This apparently does not phase the Red Sox

The Red Sox are not in danger of slipping into another dimension. The term you want it faze. Interesting article otherwise.

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  tunglashr

But they might change from a solid to a gas.

Kevbot034
7 years ago

Huston Street’s interview is very interesting. I wonder if baseball has simply just grown past that, or if his concerns will rear their head in terms of burning out arms like that. These are humans, and roles do help define what they do. But if “what you do” is pitch and get people out, it’s hard to justify either way. Very interesting.

oozyalbies1
7 years ago

I also found the Red Sox lack of activity in the RP market to be a bit puzzling, but then I thought about it a bit more.

Understanding the volatility of the position, and that they were not going to be investing any significant $$$ in the more proven commodities, rather than pay and gamble on which of the Brad Brach’s, Oliver Perez’s and Zach Duke’s of the world will turn out to be hidden gems in 2019, I’m thinking they’ve decided they’ll wait to see it with their own eyes, and then invest the relatively cheap prospect capital to trade for 1-2 of them who are excelling mid-season.

Now, those players all signed with relative contenders and may not be available, but there’s also options such as Diekman, Romo, Axford and Storen who were signed to non-contending clubs almost assuredly to be flipped for anything of value in July.

There also will be options like Jose LeClerc and Drew Steckenrider who appear to be in a tier above those previously mentioned who could be available at the right cost in a trade, but I don’t know that the Red Sox can afford it.

I think it might be a smart play. Rather than shop in the bargain bin at Target, they’re waiting to see who’s reselling on Craigslist.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

“There also will be options like Jose LeClerc and Drew Steckenrider who appear to be in a tier above those previously mentioned who could be available at the right cost in a trade, but I don’t know that the Red Sox can afford it.”

This is my issue with their offseason. True, they could wait and see who becomes available via trade at some point, but that won’t likely be until June or July. They still have to win games in April and May, so if Brasier and/or Barnes don’t work out it’s going to be a worrisome few months. I also don’t know if there’s anyone in the Sox system that other teams would necessarily want for proven closers/relievers by midseason. I agree… I don’t know if the Sox can afford good relief help.

In June, I hope that I’ll be laughing about my preseason concerns about their bullpen. However, just looking at what the Yankees have cobbled together for their amazing relief corps keeps me nervous for now.

Dave TMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

I think these are good points from oozzyalbies, though I do differ a bit on LeClerc. If he is pitching well enough this year that the Red Sox want him for the short-term, I expect that his trade return will be quite high.

One point that I’d add backing up the plan of figuring things out during the season is to take a look at option years for Red Sox relievers. (All of the following information is per Roster Resource.) Five of the Red Sox “maybe” relievers no longer have available options: Hembree, Thornburg, Workman, Johnson, and Wright. Brasier and Barnes both have remaining option years, but they’re both expected to be good enough that their available options shouldn’t really matter.

These number crunches of low floor relievers usually work themselves out over time between a combination of injuries that put someone out for the season on the 60-day IL and underperformance that results in either a DFA or a release. Going into the season, however, there are 25-man roster considerations (and sometimes 40-man roster considerations) that sometimes make it tough for teams to follow the idea of signing Brad Brach and Zack Duke type relievers and then seeing who performs. In the case of the Red Sox, it looks like part of the cost of signing someone from that tier is the opportunity cost of losing another reliever with a 2019 projection not that much lower than a pitcher like Brach or Duke.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago

At least the article mentions that there is no way Kimbrel is worth nearly $30,000,000 to the Red Sox on a one year deal. How can people, who call themselves writers and claim to understand baseball, keep pounding on their tabletsssss that the Red Sox “have to” sign Kimbrel. It is a classic example in which these experts, that word certainly doesn’t fit here, would be far more believable if they wrote nothing and let everyone think they are fools instead of writing what they write and removing all doubt.

The GuruMember since 2026
7 years ago

sad how all these teams need a closer, yet no one wants to pay anyone more than league minimum. Kimbrel performed too good for MLB. You want to be good…but you don’t want to be too good or you will play yourself out of a job.

bjsguess
7 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

Kimbrel isn’t signing for league minimum. Or anything within $16M of that figure.

The guy wanted to set a record for the highest paid closer in baseball history. You’ll forgive teams if they aren’t willing to hand that over to a guy the Red Sox couldn’t trust in the World Series last year.

If Kimbrel were willing to sign for $10M AAV for 4 years a deal would be done immediately. If he were willing to go for $15M for a single year, he would be playing right now. But the combination of signing the longest contract at the highest AAV is giving all teams a reason to pause.

Johnston
7 years ago
Reply to  bjsguess

“If Kimbrel were willing to sign for $10M AAV for 4 years a deal would be done immediately. If he were willing to go for $15M for a single year, he would be playing right now. But the combination of signing the longest contract at the highest AAV is giving all teams a reason to pause.”

Nailed it. The problem is Kimbrel’s greed.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago

Even the Red Sox, with the best owner in the game, have reached the upper limit on their ability to spend. This forces the team to gamble where they might be able to. Bullpens are notoriously fickle and maybe there is another Ryan Brasier hiding on some roster just waiting for Dave Dombrowski to pluck him. There is not a Sox fan who isn’t looking out a few years without some, actually a lot of, fear and trepidation. This next off-season is bad enough. Some wild guesses might put Bradley at $16M/4, Porcello at $19/4, Bogaerts at $20M/5, Sale at $30/4 and Martinez has an opt out. If he replicates 2018 then he is in the $30/4 club also. Then comes the very big, really little, guy. I think my guesses are probably low and It would take some serious deficit spending to get all these stars to return. Maybe Chavis turns into the Boston Bambino, this is the 100th anniversary of the Babe’s last year in Boston, but if he doesn’t it has been fun since 2004.

jb1245
7 years ago

The MLBPA seriously mis-stepped in agreeing to a harder luxury tax.

rhswanzey
7 years ago

The local sports media will go bonkers the first time a lead is blown, but the offense is going to bail this team out a number of times again. Since back end starters are so devalued at this point, I wonder if they add a couple midseason (think guys last year like Fiers, Miley, etc.). The only way this is a total disaster is if both Barnes and Brasier get hurt or take big steps backwards. They’re probably okay on the back end. If they get into October, keep in mind you’ve got a very good starter added to the pen in a multi IP Hader role. Porcello has also proven, several times now, the ability to shoulder the 8th on 2 days rest without it adversely affecting his starts. Guys like Price and Eovaldi obviously also bought in on pen usage in between starts last October.

Getting there is the hard part. Good thing there’s someone in charge who won’t overreact. I think we’ll just see less sporadic usage of the 6th SP types early on. Easing the starting pitchers in really paid off last year and I don’t think they should listen to WEEI and insist on not giving the middle relievers innings.

They’ll be fine. They’ll get one quality midseason promotion out of the pool and maybe add a second veteran option midseason. It’s still a very good team. I almost wish Kelly didn’t get his payday. I think they’re going to feel his loss in the 6th (when off) and 7th/8th (April/May/October).

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

I don’t ever expect to see it happen again but back in my youth it was quite common for starters to make relief appearances on their throw day. Allie Reynolds in 1951 had 6 saves to go with his 7 shutouts then almost duplicated that in 1952 with 6 of each, and he was 34 and 35 when he did it. Whether it was Newk or KInder, Branca or Jansen, they all did it. Eovaldi became a folk hero here in New England last fall when he emulated the Superchief. Could Cora be thinking along those lines?

rounders
7 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I don’t know why that is not at the top of the discussion. Sox are definitely going to do it. Even if only three guys out of the rotation do it on a given turn, that’s ninety or one hundred impactul innings.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
7 years ago

Not only did the Phillies add Robertson, Nicasio and Pazos to their bullpen, they also put, the almost unknown but very effective, Jose Alvarez in there to give them a good lefty option.

rhdx
7 years ago

He is about to turn 31 and has only been dominant in one of the last four seasons (1.5 WAR or less in three seasons). I’m not sure what he was actually demanding in salary but all the numbers that have been thrown around were ridiculous. Had he been lucky and become a free agent 2 years ago some team would have probably wasted that much money on him, but right now none of the long term deals for relievers look good.

johansantana17Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

Except Leclerc’s

Johnston
7 years ago

Despite the desperate need of many teams for relief pitchers, no team has signed Kimbrel because he has overpriced himself right out of the market. His only hope is that some team gets desperate enough to throw away vast sums of money overpaying him. My hope is that no one does and he has to eat his greed.

ItsPoPtime
7 years ago

I turn on high heat last year on MLB Network and all I hear is Craig kimbrel is a bum kimbrel can’t pitch in Yankee stadium, kimbrell doesn’t belong in the top three closers, kimbrel isn’t dominant, the usual mad dog red Sox hating all the way until they won the world series in which he said I quote “they won’t despite kimbrel and sale”. Xxxxxxx is a good an kimbrel isn’t trustworthy. then the greatest postseason run following the greatest regular-season run happens and the narrative changes to the red Sox can’t win without him. Man I love baseball writers

he and other detractors may not have hope, but red Sox fans have hope considering the other closers we won with weren’t hard-throwing once in a lifetime closers. So, if we can win with Derek Lowe, Keith foulke and Jonathan the nuclear bomb papelbon I’m sure they can find a reliever somewhere.

Kimbrel gave us years of 100 mile-an-hour fastball and endless clips of making the best hitters look completely silly, as well as touting world series ring.

Let him go search for his money, considering he’s earned every single penny

John Autin
7 years ago

There should be a surtax on managers saying they’ll go with “closer by committee,” since 0.0% of those plans lasts past a month or the first 3-game skid, whichever comes first … Better yet, in this age of leap-before-looking rule changes — Let’s give the Commish broad power to enforce all such statements!