The Summer of Going Full Votto

Owen just wrote about the fact that Joey Votto is having a fantastic season on a team that isn’t fantastic. That’s not exactly what Votto would prefer — on some level, every player has to be selfish, but Votto, like everyone, wants to be on a winner. One benefit of playing for a winner: winning is fun. Another benefit of playing for a winner: winners get attention. Votto is having an MVP-caliber year, but because of the team built around him, he’s putting his season together in almost total silence, which is greatly unfortunate. His overall numbers are outstanding. And his more recent numbers are almost inconceivable.

Maybe you’ve seen some of these; maybe you haven’t. If you saw some of these a few weeks ago, it’s not like Votto has slowed down. I’ll concede that splitting at the All-Star break is mostly arbitrary, but if we do that, then what’s revealed is nuts. It’s not just the categories that Votto’s leading. It’s the extent by which he’s in front. Over the last several weeks, Votto’s posted the highest walk rate in baseball, by eight percentage points. He’s posted the highest wOBA in baseball, by 69 points. He’s posted the highest OBP in baseball, by 101 points. Since about the time the All-Star Game rolled around, we’ve seen a player go the full Votto. The output is bewildering. We can see what’s happened. What’s driven what’s been happening?

I’ve gotten in the habit of doing something, so let’s do it again. This year, in what we call the second half, Votto has played 49 games. His OBP is an otherworldly .575. So let’s observe his career OBP on a plot of 49-game rolling averages. This should drive home the point that this stretch is almost genuinely unbelievable.

votto-rolling-average-obp

There you see him on the right, pushing .600. There are some strong, strong forces working against a sustained elevated OBP. Pitchers in the major leagues are incredibly good. Regression to the mean is like statistical gravity. Yet here’s Votto, reaching almost 60% of the time over almost a third of a full season. The plot is impressive in a few ways. Votto’s never had a long stretch of a sub-.300 OBP. There’s the obvious recent peak. There’s the fluctuation around .400. But before now, Votto spent very little time in the .500s. He’s blown by his old record. This is new offensive territory, for a player thought to be in decline.

A big part of OBP is hitting. Votto has hit very well. Unreasonably well. It’s not like he’s making much stronger contact — relative to the season’s first half, Votto’s second-half batted-ball speed is up a little more than two miles per hour. But he has sprayed the ball around a little more. With the help of Brooks Baseball, here’s Votto’s first-half spray chart:

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And his second-half spray chart:

votto-second-half-spray

It’s not a dramatic shift, but it’s there — Votto is spending less time these days in right field. By the Baseball Info Solutions numbers, first-half Votto pulled 41% of his balls in play. Second-half Votto, meanwhile, has pulled 31% of his balls in play. At his best, Votto specialized in going up the middle and hitting toward left, so this looks like a conscious decision. He might’ve tried to pull the ball more when he was getting over his lower-body problems. Now that he has his legs under him again, he can go back to the way that he likes.

You can’t talk about this Votto, though, without talking about the discipline, and the walks. Last week, when I expressed surprise over what Ryan Goins has been doing, I listed him with Votto among the walk-rate leaders, but Votto’s really blowing everyone else away. This is the other part of OBP, and Votto just can’t stop reaching base. In the second half, he has baseball’s lowest swing rate, by three percentage points. In the second half, exactly 50% of the pitches Votto has seen have been balls. It reads like a case of productivity through passivity.

Yet that wouldn’t be totally accurate. For example, in the first half, Votto swung at 29% of first pitches. In the second half, 27%. His chase rate has gone down just two percentage points. The biggest change: Votto’s rate of swings at pitches in the zone has dropped from 63% to 53%. This version of Joey Votto is hunting, and when he’s in control, he doesn’t make compromises.

Pulling now from Baseball Savant, here’s Votto’s first-half swing map:

votto-swing-first-half

And, his second-half swing map:

votto-swing-second-half

I don’t know how clear certain differences are to you, so I’ll throw out some numbers. How much has Votto been hunting? Compared to the first half, Votto’s second-half swing rate at inside pitches over the plate is down 12 percentage points. A little more remarkably, Votto’s second-half swing rate at high pitches is down 13 percentage points — cut nearly in half. Votto has been looking for those pitches middle-away, at or below the thigh. This might be my favorite representative statistic:

First Half: 41% swing rate when ahead in count
Second Half: 28%

When Votto has been in control of the count, he’s sat his version of dead-red, and he’s been far less willing to go out of his own zone. So that’s made it more difficult for opposing pitchers to regain ground, and it’s also helped Votto directly, as the first-half version slugged .524 in such counts, while the second-half version is up at .944. Votto, basically, has been better about swinging at his pitches. He’s also maybe just put better swings on them, but Votto’s offered less frequently at pitches in his colder zones, and he’s been happy to take the resulting walks and hits. Pitchers probably realize they can work Votto up or inside, but they have to be precise, because missing means either a ball that Votto will take, or a strike that Votto will hit. He’s showing the world his zone, but it’s hard to exploit, because he’s too good, and most pitchers aren’t good enough.

We know now that Joey Votto is feeling healthy. He has his swing where he wants. And his eye never left him. Now he’s perhaps more focused than ever on just staying within his own hot zone, and though some might call that too passive, there’s simply no arguing with what Votto’s been able to accomplish. For a couple months, he’s essentially been Barry Bonds. Not all that many people have noticed, but then again, maybe that’s the way Votto likes it. He’s going the full Votto, and he’s playing like an MVP.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

Nice curtain call from Votto. Anthony Rizzo is likely the best third baseman in baseball going forward.

Between Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Castro/Baez, and Schwarber, the Cubs might have the best infield in modern baseball history over the next five to ten years.

Dr. Fail
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Fail

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Fail

Cardinals’ fan?

Molly Knight just tweeted out Cardinals steal most signs in MLB. Some would call that cheating.

Oliver
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

1. Rizzo is a 1B 😉
2. Castro/Baez = Meh
3. Not a Cards fan but I dont think stealing signs is cheating. I guarantee the majority of teams at least try to do it

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Oliver, Castro still young with some great seasons. Baez = best bat speed in baseball and recent change in approach could him him a 40-50 homer SS or 2nd Baseman.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Now who’s trolling, Big Daddy?

Kevin
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

please… everyone knows the blue jays and the man in white steal the most signs in MLB

RoyHobbs
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I read it on the internet so it must be true…

Gavin
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Curtain call?! He’s 31 years old.

Paul Goldschmidt
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Id just like to say Hello

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

Goldy never had the tools the Rizzo had coming up. Rizzo has the pedigree. Goldy did develop into a fine player, no doubt.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

You are a great troll. I can’t stop replying to you.

Rizzo and Goldy have both been in the MLB since 2011. Goldy has been significantly better every year but one (2014) in which he had the same wRC+ as Rizzo (155). He is also 10 pts better so far this season (150-160).

What makes you think that Rizzo is better or will be better going forward?

And what are these “tools” and “pedigree” you are talking about and why should we care?

RationalJoe
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Bigdaddycool- 40-50 HR’s per year for Baez? What are you smoking man! His peak will probably resemble a Brandon Phillips type with (likely) more erratic defense and lower contact skills. Funny how none of this has anything to do with Votto, you just wish Jeff had posted something more along the lines of “Cubs ’16 Projected WAR higher than Votto’s single-season RBI total”

Alex K
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

OGNL- Rizzo was up for 50 games in 2011, not all consecutively, when he was 21/22…we can probably throw that year out as some type of comparison to Goldschmidt (who is almost 2 years older).

I’m not trying to say Rizzo has been better than Goldschmidt to this point because that would be silly. Just trying to add some context. When Goldschmidt was the age that Rizzo made his MLB debut he was in college/Rookie league.

I think it’s reasonable to say that Rizzo could be better going forward.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Alex- I agree Rizzo could be measurably better going forward. And so could Goldy. But I think it unlikely. Both players look to be maximizing their skill sets right now. And considering how similar their approaches are I am betting they mostly stay within 10-15 points of wRC+ for the next 5 years or so…

PS. If there is one area where Rizzo could improve it is an increase in hard hit balls. That is one area where he lags Goldy.

PPS Goldy goes oppo more and could possibly sell out for more power.

Alex K
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I like Rizzo a little better going forward just because of the age difference. You can’t really go wrong with either, though.

Nate
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Super relevant comment, bro.

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  Nate

Though Votto is good, we must not forget the other good first basemen in baseball, namely how amazing Rizzo has become, and remember, while Joey Votto put up 1 win last year, Rizzo put up nearly a 6 win season. Rizzo is younger and doesn’t have the health problems Votto has.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

What injury history? He fought through an injury to his leg last year and still put up:

.255/.390/.409 wOBA.359 wRC+127

That is egregious cherry picking.

Rizzo has to get better and keep it up for 5 years to be where Votto is now.

I hope he does but if you think Rizzo will log more ABs over his first 8 full seasons good luck…

hypocrite
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

We have all the best players in the world! Wrigley is the best place in the world! It doesn’t matter that it smells like piss and you can’t breath in the concourse! The ivy! Throwing the ball back! You steal all our traditions, you idiots! We have the best fans in the world and the best team ever and you all can go ferk yourselves!

Oh, that Chicago hospitality…

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  hypocrite

Wrigley is best experience in MLB bar none. I’ve been to many stadiums. Worst is Busch stadium. Best is Wrigley. Second best is Dodgers’ stadium. PNC and AT&T are consistently overrated. Coors is actually a really cool stadium, it’s just that the Rockies are always bad. Nothing compares to the atmosphere and aura of Wrigley though. You should actually go to the stadium before spewing these ludicrous sentiments. Wrigley does not smell like piss and you can breath in the concourse. It smells like tradition and exudes everything beautifully tragic about the nature of life.

ReuschCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I have a hard time following you sometimes… are you saying piss is tradition? or that piss is the beautifully tragic nature of life?

hypocrite
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

You smell like poo. You are a dirty mustache full of poo. You look like a dissected frog’s reproductive system.

IsIt2015Yet?
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Wrigley isn’t even the best experience in Chicago baseball. USCell is a much better place to watch a game and, hell, the fans there even know what’s going on! You can see the game action well, there’s better, cheaper beer, it doesn’t smell like rotting. When you exit the stadium you won’t be surrounded by dude-bros barfing everywhere on their way in and out of 100s of bars. Wrigley sucks. Sure, it’s old. That’s what it’s got going for it.

RoyHobbs
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I happened to be in Wrigley for opening night vs the Cards 2015. No bleachers or upper deck bathrooms for a packed opening night? It most certainly smelled of piss everywhere. Bathroom lines were over a hour long. People pissed in cups. People pissed in the concourse. Cubs said there were plenty of toilets but promptly brought in 62, yes sixty fuckin two, portapotties the very next day.

And the whole bleacher entrance smelled of piss before this years remodel. Blame the piss troughs, blame a broken sewer line, whatever. At least that seems to be repaired.

Wrigley is a historic place. I’ll give you that. But in the 30 times I’ve been to Wrigley, its more college drunken good times than showing up to watch a baseball game.

Geraldo
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Increasingly convinced this is a fan of an opposing team doing his/her best interpretation of an obnoxious Cubs homer.

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  Geraldo

I am a fan, not a Cubs’ homer. You do not need to be a homer to see the Cubs have the best young core in baseball and project the best going forward for the next 5-10 years. Four 6+ WAR /per full season players in Arrieta, Bryant, Rizzo and Schwarber – can anyone else boast that kind of core? Baez and Russell could be 6 WAR too as soon as next year.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

You do know that they actually have to play the games, right?

You don’t add up projected WAR and compare and then go home?

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Cubs pounding Cards last two and Schwarber not even in the lineup

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I know and appreciate quality trolling when I see it and this is that. My hat is off to you! Nice work here today.

Pirates Hurdles
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I think “best infield in modern baseball history” should become the next #6 Org around here.

RoyHobbs
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Good solid core under 25?
How about Grichuk, Heyward, Wong, Piscotty?

Then add Carlos Martinez, Wacha, Seigrist, and Rosenthal.

I’ll even hold off on Piscotty and Grichuk since they could still use some seasoning but they stepped up when given a chance.

jrubyMember since 2016
11 years ago

You never go full Votto. Cabrera went half Votto, and got the MVP. Trout went half Votto, MVP. Joey Votto goes full Votto: No MVP.

Baron Samedi
11 years ago

Excellent swan song.

Also, could we make a bigger deal over partial season data?

L. Ron HoyabembeMember since 2026
11 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Depends, could someone put up better numbers over half a season?

Gavin
11 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

The guy is 31!!! Swan song?!?!

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  Gavin

Old man skills. Look what happened to Pujols (though Pujols may have been older than his listed age)

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

So what is your point? Are you saying that Votto will go into a steep decline from here? Or are you saying that one year his skills will decline and it might be next year? Because if it is the latter then you are saying nothing. If it is the former what evidence do you have?

E-Dub
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Clearly the problem here is that Joey Votto is not a Cub. If he was, every PA would be worth an article to BigDaddyTroll, much less half a season of historic badassmanship.

E-Dub
11 years ago
Reply to  Gavin

Seriously. It’s baseball, not Logan’s Run.

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Votto’s hitting has been worth 37 runs above average since the All-Star break. That would have ranked #9 for the entire 2014 season, right between Anthony Rizzo and Miguel Cabrera.

So this particular partial season has been unusually huge.

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  tz

To put it another way, if Votto kept this second-half pace for 162 games, his hitting would be worth 122.6 runs above average.

Which would be the highest single-season total EVER:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2015&month=0&season1=1871&ind=1&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=4,d

Darkstone42
11 years ago

That’s so Votto.

neuroguy
11 years ago

Jeff, you’re articles are always great! I love that I can expect an article from you almost biweekly about Trout, which adds to the enjoyment of being able to watch one of the all time greats during our own time. Now we’ve got 2 articles on Votto in the last 2 days, which is great, because Votto really is underappreciated and deserves as much. However, yesterday’s post mentioned that Bryce Harper is having a great year, yada yada, but insinuated that this is not news. I bring this up, because I actually don’t think we’re fully appreciating how great Bryce has been! Outside of Bonds v2.0, he’s having the 4th best season (behind Bagwell, Thomas, McGwire) in the last 25 years by WRC+. Miggy’s never seen hit his current 198, ARod has never sniffed this level of performance, Pujol’s best is 184; even Bautista’s famed 2011 was 181 (and that got written about A LOT that year). Trout’s best, btw, is 176 (or 1 point below Votto 2015). I guess what I’m saying is: Bryce is starting to warrant the Jeff Sullivan Trout Treatment!

neuroguy
11 years ago
Reply to  neuroguy

Oh, and I’m a Rangers fan who is slowly starting to tune into Nats games lately to better appreciate what’s going on – so not even a Nats homer!

neuroguy
11 years ago
Reply to  neuroguy

More fun with numbers: still fourth, in WRC+ if you go back to 1975. Going back to 1950, his current season would be the 13th best (offensively) all time; 9th if you exclude Bonds. Note, names on the list ahead of him include Williams, Ted (2 times) and Mantle, Mickey (2 times).

$cott Bora$
11 years ago
Reply to  neuroguy

Neuroguy, you’re hired!

nerdoguy
11 years ago
Reply to  neuroguy

Jeff, you’re spellcheck are always great! I love that I can expect an article from you almost biweekly about Trout, which adds to the enjoyment of being able to watch one of the all time greats during our own time. Now we’ve got 2 articles on Votto in the last 2 days, which is great, because Votto really is underappreciated and deserves as much. However, somebody’s post mentioned that Clayton Kershaw is having a great year, yada yada, but insinuated that this is not news. I bring this up, because I actually don’t think we’re fully appreciating how great Clayton has been! Outside of Big Unit v2.0, he’s having the 4th best season (behind himself, Pedro, and Pedro again) in the last 15 years by FIP-. Miggy’s never seen his weight below 198, ARod has never sniffed this level of performance enhancement, Pujol’s IQ is 184; even drunk about A LOT by yours truly that year). Trout’s best, btw, at 176 degrees (or 1 degree higher at elevations over 2015 feet). I guess what I’m saying is: Clayton is starting to warrant the Jeff Sullivan Trout Treatment!

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  nerdoguy

I can’t wait to see what the guy who translates things to Serbian to French to Vietnamese then back to English does with this.

To Serbian, Vietnamese, French and back
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

Jeff, you are spell check, we are always great! I love that I can wait almost an article every two weeks on the salmon, which adds to the ability to see one of the best of all time in my time. Now we have two themes Votto in the last two days, which is great because Votto guys and really deserves just as much. However, the message mentioned someone Clayton Kershaw had a great year, blah, blah, but hinted that he is not new. I raise this question because I do not think you fully appreciate how wonderful Clayton! In addition, V 2.0, this is the best in the best 4 seasons (after Pedro and Pedro vice versa) in the past 15 years, Austin. CACCIA-. Imimi never saw his weight under 195, Arod did not feel the level of doping, Pujol is IC 181; and was even really drink a lot of you). Salmon is the best, bTV, 176 degrees (or more in height with 2,015 Level 1). It seems that I have is: Clayton began to justify Jeff Sullivan salmon feast!

ReuschCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

Three observations of this amazingness:

1. What new metric is CACCIA-, which country did it come from and how can I get my hands on it?!?!

2. Which language stole 3 lbs from Miggy / Imimi and 3 pts from Pujols’ / Pujol’s IQ?

3. Can we PLEASE have a kickstarter account to make the Jeff Sullivan Salmon Feast actually happen!?!!

Bob Veale
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

CACCIA- = degrees of separation from Joe Torre

Swan
11 years ago

Who is the batter who never yields
He drives the ball to all the fields
He owns four hits lifetime off James Shields

Vottoooooo
Joey Votto!
Hi-ya! (whip crack)
Vottoooooo
Joey Votto!!

Hokie Bird
11 years ago
Reply to  Swan

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Victor Martinez
11 years ago

“I could care less. For 1) I have NEVER struck out 100+ in a season for my whole F***ING career, UNLIKE VOTTO. 2) I have NEVER walked 100+ or more times in a season either, leaving MORE PA’s for contact, hits, RBI. Quite frankly, counting stats DO matter just as much as RATE stats, and I have 5 seasons of 100 RBI while Votto only has 2. 3) For most of my career I played a much more demanding position, CATCHER. First base is a JOKE. 4) At age 35, with only 70 walks and 42 strikeouts, I batted over .300 and had an OBP over .400 just like Votto in his career. I would like to see Votto do that at age 35, because I doubt it. 5) For my career, I am -77 for Walk – Strikeout differential and Votto is -124, so don’t go talking to me about batting eye! 6) Tell Votto I switch hit AND bat over .300 from BOTH sides of the plate 7) If Votto is such a great talent, and has the best plate coverage and batting eye on the Cincinnati Reds, why in God’s name does he NOT expand the zone in situations where he could make all the difference, when he supposedly knows for a fact that his teammates DON’t have as good hit as him, yet he leaves the game up to Todd Frazier and Jay Bruce. There is nothing like the 1-0 loss with guys in scoring position that I saw a couple weeks ago, where he walked twice and went zero for 2 at the plate.” Oh wait a minute, on second thought, Victor Martinez wouldn’t say these things because he is too nice of a guy…..and a classy player. However, I am sure the Cincinnati Reds wish the 2010 MVP Votto to come back. You know the one that drives scores 100+ runs, drives in 100+ and has over 200 hits because he actively chooses more contact overall, more contact in scoring position, and hitting more doubles and homers than sitting at first base with a walk that doesn’t come around to score and is not in scoring position.

Harrison Wells
11 years ago

I seem to remember Vicky crying after Cole drilled him.

Also, do us all a favor and us paragraphs next time you want to go on a pointless rant. Thanks

Victor Martinez
11 years ago
Reply to  Harrison Wells

whatever, Votto is hurt every other week and as I said Martinez has had plenty of knee surgeries due to playing catcher, has had a longer career. Votto will be baked by 36 and the Reds will still owe him $20 million a year.

LHPSU
11 years ago

Martinez is baked at 36 and the Tigers still owe him $18 million a year.

E-Dub
11 years ago

If Votto is hurt every other week, that makes his performance more impressive, not less…

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  Harrison Wells

Pirates hit too many batters. They are hitting the most in the MLB and getting hit the most in the MLB. This to me signifies an approach that is dangerous and MLB should take a serious look at what the Pirates are doing here. Having a team-wide approach to hit batters is very dangerous for the sport, as is having a team-wide approach to getting hit, which is also putting the health of your players at risk for a short-term win gain.

Pirates purveying some dangerous strategies to win.

Buctober
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

HAHA oh BDC you crack me up. The pirates do not intentionally hit batters. Their pitching strategy is to own the inner half, nothing wrong with that nor is it something “MLB should take a serious look at”. If you watched the Pirates, most of their HBP fom their pitchers come when they are actually ahead in the count or with breaking balls/change ups.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Lulz. Should MLB tell Rizzo to quit hanging so far out over the plate and getting himself hit?

1984 Detroit Tigers
11 years ago
Reply to  Harrison Wells

Votto is hurt every other week and as I said Martinez has had plenty of knee surgeries due to playing catcher, has had a longer career. Votto will be baked by 36 and the Reds will still owe him $20 million a year.

Reality
11 years ago

Does one’s eyesight suddenly go away at 36? Even if Votto’s power goes away, he’ll still have a .350+ OBP into his 40s.

Phillies113
11 years ago

You mean you “couldn’t” care less.

1968 Detroit Tigers
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

I suppose a better way to put it is that I could not care at all. Votto is a talent that does not get the most out of his talent because he does not think about the game of baseball properly, given the situation and his role within it.

Jason B
11 years ago

..and yet…here you are commenting over and over (and over). Your actions betray you.

L. Ron HoyabembeMember since 2026
11 years ago

Martinez is great, but Votto practically makes him look like a slap-singles hitter. Martinez’s career OBP, SLG, and wOBA are all 60 points lower than Votto.

Miguel Cabrera says I would rather have Victor on my team than Votto
11 years ago

that is the toll of being a full time catcher talking on those rate stats.

E-Dub
11 years ago

It’s not just that. If there’s one disappointment with Martinez, and it’s relative, it’s his modest power output. Votto’s career .225 IsoP is significantly better than V-Mart’s .165. That’s not just down to catching, but rather the player’s limitations.

To Serbian, Vietnamese, French and back
11 years ago

“I can not care less. For 1) I have never given up 100+ season for me F *** ing all of his career, unlike Votto. (2) I never went traveling more than 100 times or more in a season, or leave many lawsuits for the contact, hits, RBI, telling the truth, with some important statistics, such statistics to her, I have five seasons of 100 RBI while Votto only 2 (3) for most of my career, I played a better position request Hunter first base. is a joke. (4) 35, with only 70, 42 and missed the ball through. 300 and was successful. Votto 400 in his career. I want to see in 35 Votto done, because I doubt it. (5) for my career I-77 profile difference is Gaich go and Votto, 124, so I’m moving in the attacks on the menu. (6) I met Votto finished rod breakout crime 300 on both sides of the plate 7). if Votto is a great talent and have better coverage of the Cincinnati Reds and hit me, why in God’s name does not include the area in the situation where they will be all the difference when it is to make sure that the players of N “as not so well turned, but playing depends on Todd Frazier and Jai Bruce. not the best guys lost 1-0 to ruin position, I saw him a few weeks ago, where he twice, and zero for 2 persons on board. “About time, when I think about it, Victor Martinez would not say these things because he’s too good for this guy … and the modern player. However, I am sure that at least MVP Votto Cincinnati Reds in 2010 and earlier. you know the results, allowing more than 100 points, 100 + discs, and more than 200 times as actively chosen to complete the total, with more than one touch of taste scoring position, and hit more homers than doubled and sat first base with a walk it is unwise to achieve and have the ability to score.

Lebron James
11 years ago

“I never went travelling more than 100 times or more in a season”

Is that total, or just the ones the ref calls?

Hello Votto
11 years ago

Regarding the idea that Votto squanders his talent in a way that reduces his impact on games compared to VMart, let’s ignore WAR and wRC+ (in which Votto dominates VMart) and instead follow your guidance and look at career WPA.

Votto: 39.70, or 0.0365 WPA per game played
VMart: 16.95, or 0.0109 WPA per game played

Done.

atgo
11 years ago

“There are some strong, strong forces working against a sustained elevated OBP. Pitchers in the major leagues are incredibly good. Regression to the mean is like statistical gravity.”

Greatest saber prose ever written? Its my favorite at least.

Pfft
11 years ago

Juan Gonzalez would have, like, 130 RBIs already.

Reality
11 years ago
Reply to  Pfft

I love a good Juan-Gone reference.

I remember as a kid thinking it was normal to have 102 RBI at the all-star break.

Dante Bichette
11 years ago
Reply to  Reality

I remember thinking it was normal to have 102 RBI on a broken-bat fly ball to left center.

tct
11 years ago

Just as Votto’s discerning batting eye is unparalleled in baseball, articles about Joey Votto are unparalleled in their ability to attract trolls and morons. You could post a Votto article on the American Journal of Medicine and some idiot would be there posting “but he only has 70 RBI!!!!”

Dr. David W. Altcheck, MD, New York Mets Medical Director
11 years ago
Reply to  tct

That’s why we backed off from Carlos Gomez. Dozens of peer-reviewed articles by board-certified physicians like myself have shown that there is something wrong when a guy has just 53 RBI.

Heroes Charge
11 years ago

There seems to be absolutely no mention one way or the other on Votto, almost as if people wish he did not exist. It’s not just that no one is talking about him for MVP; no one is even mentioning why they think he isn’t qualified. He’s not discussed one way or another, not even on a savvy site like Fangraphs. You would think Cincinnati, with its large Caucasian fan base, would jump on this opportunity to make history and appeal to that market. Can he really be any worse than Jimmy Rollins was? Really?

Clearly Canadian
11 years ago
Reply to  Heroes Charge

Well…he is Canadian.

joser
11 years ago

Is there a full moon or something? Did Fox or Yahoo link over here again? Why are the comments such a shitshow?

Jeff Sullivan Salmon Feast
11 years ago
Reply to  joser

You have to scroll past the first BDC comment and responses. Then it gets back to being normal Fangraphs quality….

RationalJoe
11 years ago

Possibly a reason his walk totals have spiked so much (enough to be compared to Bonds) could be that his lineup looks a lot like the ones Bonds used to hit in when it was standard to see him get 2BB+/game. Especially in this second half, with Frazier’s drop off, and Bruce never getting consistent, it’s getting easier to pitch around Votto. Walking Votto hurts a lot less when no one hitting behind him is prepared to drive the ball, so it wouldn’t be surprising if the rest of the lineup’s decline can partially be to credit for Votto’s massive spike in OBP over the second half. Not saying he’s not a great hitter with the best eye in the game, but his eye likely hasn’t suddenly gotten much better since the break, but with half the league in the playoff race, including 3 NL Central teams, it’s less than surprising to see Votto pitched to so carefully these days.

pft
11 years ago
Reply to  RationalJoe

Yes, amazing how something that simple gets overlooked

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  pft

And what separates guys like Bonds and Votto from other elite hitters is that they will just wait out the pitcher until he inevitably makes a mistake – something that was supposed to stay on the edge of zone or further out but crosses over the middle of the plate.

At which point, they freaking crush the poor baseball.

smpeterson327
11 years ago

An OBP that high can only be referred to as “Bondsian”

Hurtlocker
11 years ago

You might as well walk Votto, the rest of the Reds lineup (except Frazier in the first half) is pretty weak.

Eric
11 years ago

Hey, tonight’s a perfect example of going “full Votto”
I know one thing he cannot hit, the UMP. Looks like he wanted to though.