The Time to Trade Chris Archer Has Arrived

Around this time of year, the free-agent and trade markets begin to feel like stacked dominoes – one domino falling sets many more in motion. The big domino to fall yesterday was, of course, Chris Sale’s trade to Boston. It’s only natural to wonder what the fallout from that trade will be. The Nationals were reportedly very interested in Sale: Will they look elsewhere for elite rotation help now that he’s no longer available? Other teams still said to be interested in top-of-the-rotation arms include the Braves, the Astros and even the World Champion Cubs. (I’m still practicing adding that “World Champion” qualifier on the Cubs. It hasn’t stopped looking weird, has it?) As long as teams continue to look for elite starting pitching, one name will continue to be thrown around: Chris Archer. Now that the Red Sox have added Sale and are clearly attempting to build the American League’s “team to beat,” is the time right for the Rays to finally pull the trigger and deal Archer?

A few weeks ago, Jeff Sullivan compared the potential trade value of both Archer and Sale. The first conclusion he reached – that Sale has been better than Archer – quickly passed the sniff test. The second conclusion is significantly more intriguing. Here’s what he had to say:

“Chris Archer might be a worse pitcher than Sale is, but his contract is more team-friendly still. And one should expect that to make a difference, these all being negotiations taking place in the 2016 industry landscape. If you want to trade for one of these starters, Chris Sale could be the more affordable of the two.”

Archer and Sale are six months apart in age and both under contract for just under $40 million, but Archer’s contract includes team options for the 2020 and 2021 seasons. Sale’s contract, meanwhile, expires after the 2019 season. So, for essentially the same amount of money a club can acquire either three years of Sale or five years of a pitcher who has been nearly as good. Consequently, Archer’s contract provides — to use the hip lingo — more surplus value. In fact, due to those extra two seasons Jeff found that “Chris Archer’s surplus value is 152% of Chris Sale’s surplus value.” The White Sox just pulled in a player who has previously been listed by some publications as the No. 1 prospect in the sport. If the Rays can reasonably command an even higher asking price for Archer, then, at the very least, they have to be listening to offers.

Should the Rays feel pressure to actually move Archer, though? According to our much-too-early projections, the Rays are currently projected for an 82-80 season – exactly the same as their division rivals in Toronto and New York. By RS/G (runs scored per game), however, their offense projects to be the worst in the American League, and that’s including the projected production of the newest Ray, catcher Wilson Ramos. Given the unlikelihood that they will be players for the remaining big-name free-agent position players like Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion — in addition to the concurrent likelihood that other AL teams will get those guys — the Rays only figure to fall further back in league offense.

Of course, it’s also worth noting that their pitching projects to be among the best in the league. Their projected RA/G (runs allowed per game) is 4.32, a figure which trails only Cleveland’s mark (4.20) and, of course, Sale’s new team, the Red Sox (4.26). Much of that projected strength is due to Archer, who’s the undisputed ace of a rotation that will likely be filled out by Drew Smyly, Jake Odorizzi, Blake Snell, and Alex Cobb. Were Archer to depart or Cobb to struggle in his first full season since Tommy John surgery, the Rays also have Matt Andriese, who looked every bit the part of an effective back-of-the-rotation pitcher last season.

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It should go without saying that the Rays will want to be competitive at some point over the next five seasons. But if they don’t realistically expect to compete with the powerhouse Red Sox roster in 2017, they have to consider cashing in Archer now by dealing him to a team both likely to benefit from and also willing to pay for that 2017 production. In return, the Rays will be looking for cost-controlled players who can help the team get back to the postseason.

So now that we know Sale’s price tag, what can the Rays expect an Archer trade to look like? Although the surplus value discrepancy is significant – recall that Archer’s surplus value is 50% more than that of Sale’s – it would be unwise to expect Archer’s return to be half again as valuable as Sale’s, the simple reason being that the extra surplus value comes in years four and five of Archer’s contract and the further out from the present you get, the bigger the error bars in projected value become – especially for pitchers. If nothing else, though, the potential bonus of those two extra years and the projected surplus-value advantage should give Archer’s projected trade value a floor of the package the White Sox just received.

And what exactly did the White Sox get from Boston? Eric Longenhagen has you covered with a full write-up. To summarize, though, there’s Yoan Moncada, who was listed by Baseball America and MLB.com as the best prospect in the game last summer. There’s certainly room to debate whether Moncada or Andrew Benintendi was actually the best prospect in Boston’s system, but no matter what side of that debate on which you fall, the undeniable truth is that Moncada is among the best prospects in the sport. Add to the mix a pitcher like Michael Kopech with a sky-high ceiling and two very interesting secondary pieces in outfielder Luis Alexander Basabe and you’ve got one heckuva trade package.

This puts the Rays in a tremendously strong position with potential trade partners. The precedent is set for a monster return. The free-agent pitching market is, in a word, suboptimal. And, most importantly, the Rays don’t have to move Archer. If a team decides to go for it and add a top-tier starting pitcher, Archer may just be the best available option now — and the Rays have bargaining power on their side. That ultimately positions them to receive a player like Javy Baez from the Cubs or Victor Robles from the Nationals or another elite-level prospect. The Sale trade just put the Rays in the driver’s seat and it could well mean the end of Archer’s tenure in Tampa Bay.





Corinne Landrey writes for FanGraphs and MLB.com's Cut4 site. Follow her on Twitter @crashlandrey.

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Joe DonMember since 2023
9 years ago

You can stop with the “World Champion” qualifier now. Every Cubs fan already knows and the rest of us are tired of hearing it or don’t care.

Baltar
9 years ago
Reply to  Joe Don

I like hearing it.

Gooksta
9 years ago

Cubs arent trading Baez. Keep up the “World champion” qualifier.love it

Sandy Kazmir
9 years ago

Rockies for Dahl + Tapia/Hoffman or Rodgers + Tapia + Hoffman
Pirates for Meadows + Keller + Newman
Dodgers for Bellinger + Verdugo + Alvarez
Marlins for Yelich + Kolek + Castillo
Astros for Bregman + Tucker/Martes
Cubs for Schwarber + Jimenez
Braves for Swanson + Newcomb + Allard

I’d prefer a young shining star and a top prospect or three very good prospects. There is room to quibble back and forth on all of these initial offers, but it would take something like this to get Archie.

TrigauxMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

1. Gets laughed out without Dahl+Rogers+Hoffman/Tapia
2. Gets laughed out without Meadows+Glasnow/Tallion/Bell(Position of need for TB)+ Kuhl/Newman
3. Can’t stop laughing til it becomes 4/5 of Bellinger+Verdugo+Calhoun+DeLeon+Alvarez
4. More interesting, but would need some good lottery tickets thrown in from MIA
5. Done, especially if its Martes
6. Done, especially if they throw in someone like Candelario they don’t need, and the Rays toss in some spare parts
7. Needs a legit #2 prospect

Most of these teams wouldn’t do these trades though

AzizalMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Trigaux

As much as anything is a lock, the Braves are a lock to keep Swanson. He’s from the Atlanta area and they’ve been marketing him as the new face of the franchise.

Richie
9 years ago

Never mind the extra years of control, Archer will not return a ‘Best Prospect in Baseball+++’ package. The most motivated buyer just got removed from the market, and baseball GMs discount the future much more heavily than we Sabre people figure they should.

RK
9 years ago
Reply to  Richie

If they heavily discount the future shouldnt that make them more willing to trade top prospects?

phoenix2042Member since 2016
9 years ago

Since Archer is under team control for so long, trading him is essentially saying that you doubt you can compete in that timeframe, right? Because trading him says “he won’t be part of the next great Rays team,” and therefore, since you have him for five years, it is tantamount to saying “the next great Rays team is five or more years away.”

I bring this up to say that trading for ML ready or already at ML level (like the Javy Baez example) players seems counter-intuitive. They should target guys who are farther away but have huge upside so that the next great Rays team, five or more years from now by their evaluation (if trading Archer), has multiple seasons left of those prospects-turned-core players. If you are going to trade for a player whom you expect to be with the ML squad for the next 4-6 years (rookie or sophomore year played), you might as well keep the ace that you already have for 5 more years (and is cheap too).

Baltar
9 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

I couldn’t agree more on what an Archer trade would signify. An Archer trade by itself would be crazy, but the Rays need to either go for it or tear it up.

tung_twista
9 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

This is not right.

Assuming Archer’s fair value for the next 5 years is 30M each,
Archer’s surplus value each year is going to be something like
2017: 25M
2018: 24M
2019: 22M
2020: 21M
2021: 19M

You add it up, his surplus value is around $110M.

Imagine Rays want to start competing in 2020.
So according to your definition, if they kept Archer,
“he would have been part of the next great Rays team”
However, Archer’s surplus value for the next three years (71M)
is effectively worthless to the Rays.

So even if the Rays want Archer to be part of the next Rays
starting at 2020, what they should do is sell Archer now,
get $110M surplus worth of prospects.
And in the winter of 2019, buy Archer and only pay
$40M surplus worth of players.
Or more likely, buy an Archer equivalent at that time.

tl;dr
selling Archer now does NOT mean Rays have no intention of competing until 2021.
As a matter of fact, not trading a player with good trade value just because he is under contract when you want to be competitive would be a dumb mistake.

alang3131982Member since 2016
9 years ago

How much does control matter for a pitcher though? Unless teams know wayyyyy more than the educated public about pitcher aging/injury curves/concerns, i feel like teams dont add a ton of value to more control. Certainly saving some money is nice for some teams, but I just cant see control being that much more valuable to make a return for Archer more than a return for Sale…

davels
9 years ago

Chris Archer is terrific. He had a 5.2 WAR season in 2015. His best season ever!

Chris Sale has _averaged_ 5.2 WR over the past _5_ seasons.

And, as noted, they are basically the same age.

Archer may have some potential future value in his contract beyond what Sale has… but thats not what the trade was about. It was about performance levels. And the time value of that performance. Archer simply hasn’t consistently produced up to Sale’s performance level (at this point). And the Red Sox wanted that performance level NOW.

There is no way that Archer commands more in a trade.

davels
9 years ago
Reply to  davels

Superstars start younger, peak higher, play longer. …in graph form:

Source: FanGraphsChris Archer, Chris Sale

TrigauxMember since 2016
9 years ago

Using DRA and other advanced statistics, Archer had a better season than his surface numbers imply, and is considered a class act and team leader, unlike Sale. Definitely worth at least as much

The question is, I see the Rays getting the same trade package for him in 2 years, so why trade now?

jmappraiz
9 years ago

Red sox are never a good comparable especially under dombrowski. they chronically overpay because they can eat their mistakes no matter what cost and reload. That being said I think baez for archer would be painless for the cubs.

stingraypete
9 years ago
Reply to  jmappraiz

Trading Chris Archer for one half-decent utility infielder is an offense punishable by indefinite baseball gulag, which I guess is wherever Jim Bowden happens to be.

shaq_diesel
9 years ago
Reply to  jmappraiz

This reminds me of every Yankee fan in 2010 “We should go get Longoria. Eduardo Nunez and Hector Noesi ought to do it. Maybe we’ll throw in a few spare parts.”

I hear a lot of that nonsense regarding Kiermaier these days.

JohnnyRingoFWC
9 years ago

Don’t really see the Cubs trading Baez. You would think they would start the talks with Schwarber, but I laughed (and agreed) with one of the commenters here who said he might as well be Theo’s son.

When you start thinking about it more, the Cubs don’t have a lot of MLB ready depth if they were to trade Baez or Schwarber.

Two or three injuries and the Cubs suddenly have some spots to fill, unlike before when guys just seemingly popped up or were traded out of nowhere to fill those spots.