The Worst DRS We’ve Ever Seen
Officially, the Braves have sewn up the NL East, after having completed a four-game weekend sweep of the Phillies. The division was already more or less decided, but an unlikely Phillies sweep could’ve at least brought it down to the wire. Instead, the Phillies will play out the string, while the Braves get themselves set for the playoffs. On the one hand, the Phillies can’t be too disappointed — they would’ve been arriving a year or so ahead of time. On the other hand, the Braves arrived a year or so ahead of time. And this is a plot of the 2018 Phillies’ playoff odds:
As recently as August 7, the Phillies were in first place and 15 games over .500. Since then, they’ve gone an NL-worst 14-28, while the Braves have gone 27-19. Very obviously, when a team collapses, several components have to be involved. One thing I’ll highlight, though: dating back to August 8, according to Baseball Savant, Phillies pitchers have ranked seventh in baseball in expected wOBA allowed, while Braves pitchers have ranked 16th. And yet, Phillies pitchers have ranked 26th in baseball in actual wOBA allowed, while Braves pitchers have ranked third. Call it noise if you want. I’m certain that’s a part of it. The other part is defense. The Phillies’ team defense has let them down, and as the headline suggests, they’re on the verge of establishing a new record.
The headline mentions DRS. For those of you who don’t know, DRS stands for Defensive Runs Saved. It’s one of the few advanced defensive metrics that exists. It isn’t perfect, and no one would tell you it’s perfect, but we can just get right to the point. DRS, as a metric, exists going back 16 years, to 2003. Here are the ten worst team DRS marks from the leaderboards:
| Team | Season | DRS |
|---|---|---|
| Phillies | 2018 | -129 |
| Yankees | 2005 | -120 |
| Rockies | 2012 | -116 |
| Royals | 2005 | -112 |
| Royals | 2009 | -104 |
| Mariners | 2013 | -103 |
| Orioles | 2018 | -101 |
| Blue Jays | 2018 | -99 |
| Phillies | 2013 | -97 |
| Phillies | 2015 | -97 |
There are three teams in there from this season alone. Maybe that’s worth talking about another day. But for now, just focus on the Phillies. It’s true that this season isn’t yet over. In theory, the Phillies might not end up in last place. Yet they have just seven games left, and they’re already nine runs worse than the 2005 Yankees. The chances of the Phillies making up that ground are exceptionally slim. They’d be exceptionally slim if the Phillies had a good defense, and, well, they don’t. That’s what the table is showing you.
In any worthwhile article about defense, be it about individuals or teams, one has to mention the caveats. No, we can’t measure defense precisely. No, the formulas haven’t remained consistent and identical over the past decade and a half. Yes, this era of non-traditional defensive alignment has made things ever more complicated. And even just at FanGraphs, there’s also UZR. UZR thinks this year’s Phillies have been very bad, but not exactly record-level bad. That’s worth something, too. There’s not nearly enough evidence to say the Phillies have absolutely had the worst team defense in a very long time.
But there is *some* evidence. There is DRS. I didn’t make up those numbers, and they didn’t make up those numbers. There’s no reason for them to have a bias. And it should be clear that, at the very least, the Phillies’ defense has been a season-long weakness. The team has acknowledged it time and time again. Just for fun, let’s run through the Phillies’ various positional ranks. There are, of course, 30 teams.
| Position | Rank |
|---|---|
| C | 26 |
| 1B | 15 |
| 2B | 27 |
| SS | 27 |
| 3B | 28 |
| LF | 30 |
| CF | 26 |
| RF | 28 |
| P | 30 |
According to UZR, the Phillies have had almost the worst defense in baseball. Yet UZR doesn’t have information for pitchers or catchers. There are just zeroes. When you look at DRS, you see that the Phillies rank poorly in both areas. No team’s pitchers have been worse, while the catchers have also combined to be a problem. It’s totally fair to question the latter, since the numbers at Baseball Prospectus think the Phillies’ catchers have been slightly above-average, but I led with DRS, so that’s the main focus. Whatever the Phillies have done right, DRS hasn’t seen it.
In this day and age, there’s no reason not to explore further. Baseball Savant makes it so easy to do. To what extent can we confirm some impressions regarding the Phillies’ defense? Over the whole season, the Phillies’ pitching staff ranks third in expected wOBA on contact. They also rank 19th in actual wOBA on contact, with the second-greatest difference between the numbers in the league. To split it up a little bit, here are the biggest differences on ground balls between actual wOBA and expected wOBA allowed:
This is a partial proxy for infield defense. It doesn’t cover everything, but for what it does cover, the Phillies don’t look good. Moving elsewhere, here’s the big-league landscape in terms of Outs Above Average, which is a metric for outfielders:
The Phillies don’t look good, again, and this particular metric doesn’t consider outfield arms. This is just about range. Range is the most important component, absolutely, but arms matter, too, and the Phillies’ outfield arms, collectively, rank in the bottom five by both DRS and UZR. In other words, they’ve been even worse than just Outs Above Average would indicate. The infield has been a problem, and the outfield has been a problem, and when the both of those are problems, it can be a lot to overcome.
Doesn’t mean it’s a death sentence; sometimes teams happily concede defense for offense. And yet Phillies non-pitchers have a combined wRC+ of just 98, which is two points below average. The Phillies knew they’d be sacrificing some defense this season. You’ll recall they were the team that, in spring training, experimented with swapping left and right fielders based on the handedness of the hitter. For a while, the Phillies made it work, but ultimately, they just didn’t get enough in return for the sacrifice. With a defense so bad, you need to be able to hit. The Phillies haven’t done enough hitting, and so they’ll go into the offseason looking to make a major splash.
In retrospect, you could say the story of the 2018 Phillies is represented by the acquisition of Carlos Santana. Santana looked to be a fine hitter, and so the Phillies made room by bumping Rhys Hoskins to the corner outfield. At the time, the Phillies told themselves Santana was too good of a deal to pass up. But Santana hasn’t quite been that effective at the plate, while Hoskins, in the field, has been a massive liability. Nothing has been catastrophic. Santana’s been a useful first baseman, and Hoskins has been a useful left fielder. But, knowing what they know now, the Phillies presumably wouldn’t choose to repeat this. It’s something for them to figure out moving forward, assuming they don’t figure Hoskins’ range will improve. Overall, things have worked out okay, but they haven’t worked out well enough to win, and win consistently. The Phillies gambled on a suboptimal alignment.
In one sense, the offseason might be easy. The Phillies might just land Manny Machado or Bryce Harper, and then they’ll have a better lineup. They’ll have a roster good enough to hang around. Yet there’s a chance that doesn’t happen, and, even if it does, there are defensive improvements worth thinking about. There are studies to run, to see if maybe the team could improve its positioning. The Phillies will need to evaluate whether they already have the right personnel. Defense, in 2018, was the ballclub’s biggest detriment. Next year’s going to come with greater expectations.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.



I thought this article was going to be about Miguel Andujar
Still got a ways to go to enter the “stars who really shouldn’t be playing that position anymore” division.
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=400&type=1&season=2018&month=0&season1=1871&ind=1&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=11,a
Torres at SS and Andujar at 3B is the worst left side of an infield (defensively) since Yuniesky Betancourt and Wilson Betemit for the 2010 Royals.
Historically the Royals system has an uncanny ability to produce terrible shortstops. I don’t remember the exact number but like 4 or 5 of the worst SS seasons ever have come from the Royals in the past 15 years.
I thought it would be about Gleyber Torres. But Gleyber, at least, gets to balls for the most part. Just can’t field ’em.
Torres has always been considered a plus defender, he just needs some seasoning (he’s also new to 2B). Andujar, not so much.
Right now he has hands of stone and sometimes looks like he either doesn’t know what he’s doing or isn’t trying. Could be the new position. In a way it feels similar to Devers’ struggles–he has the tools but the execution is lacking.
So he’s always been considered a plus defender, but Davenport’s numbers have never loved him. He’s always been about average.
http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/TORRES19961213A.shtml
Still, even then the tools are there. It’s weird to think that he couldn’t handle 2B.
Let’s not forget he’s 21 years old. I’m older than him, and I can barely catch the TV remote when my roommate tosses it to me (from a couple of feet away mind you lol). Robinson Cano made 26 errors in his first two seasons, and he too was a positively-regarded shortstop in the minors. I worry about Andujar’s long-term outlook, but Gleyber? Gleyber will be fine.
DEVERS has 23 errors to Andujar’s 15 in 200 fewer innings. Be honest, please. For once (anyone who mjakes a comment like that has a problem with it). Sorry, the RF variance is not enough to claim 1) Devers is better (certainly not offensively) and 2) Andujar has the “worst DRS Evah”, as you suggest.
Sheesh! 32 friggin’ upvotes. My word, honesty is in short frickin’ supply around here.
C’mon man. Errors have been moved to the same dustbin as pitcher wins, batting average, and rbi
What a weak comeback. Nobody talks about errors. Errors are discssued every freakin’ game. Pretty sure they’re mentioned in this article. People are still citing fielding percentage and what the hell is that based on? Meanwhile I NEVER hear ANY ringing endorsements for DRS or UZR. Even this article gives a huge nod to the great caveat that must be uttered when serious people meet to discuss these advanced metrics. So spare me. More dishonesty parading as insight.
Do you…do you not read fangraphs? I don’t care about what the knuckle dragging announcers talk about. They talk about batting average and RBI, too, which are easy to discuss in the casual context of a game broadcast, but they are obviously not a good measure of a player’s full contribution to the game (even their full contribution to the offense). There’s broad consensus that errors are not a reasonable method of measuring a player’s complete defensive contribution and DRS and UZR (for any of their failings) are superior methods of measuring overall defensive contribution, particularly when reviewed together.
UZR includes errors as part of its calculation, too. Errors just are not a complete measure. Saying Devers is worse than Andujar on the sole basis that he has more errors is like saying Mike Moustakas has been a better hitter than Mike Trout this year because he has more RBI (it’s true!)
I didn’t say Andujar was better, I was just establishing 1) they are comparable yet seymour singled out Andujar, 2) that’s intellectually dishonest.
The irony is that Andujar is definitely the better player this year, and perhaps in the future too. But while he looks bad Devers is definitely the better fielder, and it isn’t even close. Andujar probably needs to be moved to a different corner, because he is an absolute butcher at third.
Dude. Go back to PFT. This blend of rage-judging isn’t welcome here.
Seriously, yuck.
So let me see: Wins will not factor into a Cy for Snell, assuming he gets it. Mookie’s BA will not be considered in his MVP, assuming he beats JDM. And JDM’s 124 RBI will mean absolutely nothing in an MVP conversation. Check. Check. Check. Thanks for setting me straight.
Awards are voted on by the same knuckle dragging journalists. You’re completely missing the point, which may or not be intentional on your part
The point is that Devers is not much better than Andujar and therefore the remark about Andujar and the worst DRS is garbage.
The point should really be that Andujar’s not all that close to having the worst DRS of the last five years…he’s not even in the top five.
Hell, he doesn’t even have 2018’s worst DRS!
There’s got to be a team out there that’ll take Santana’s contract off them. Maybe philly will have to eat a little of the contract but nothing insane. Maybe a sneaky rays move if philly eats emough of the contract? Maybe Seattle could get him by eating all the contract? Make one last hard push to make the postseason at least once before a rebuild is inevitable.
Watch the Red Sox.
No thanks.
Today there was a report that they’re going to try Santana at third, which didn’t go so well the last time. Could be worth a shot anyway!
Holy smokes, I had no idea Arizona’s infield was that good
Ahmed is outstanding.
Yes, and look at that Oakland infield!
Soo Arrieta was right?
Pivetta has been killed by defense this year. A 3.70 FIP and a 3.37 xFIP yet a 4.58 ERA thanks to a .326 BABIP after a .332 last year.
I agree Pivetta’s defense has done him no favors (have seen it with my own eyes not to mention the consistently off xFIP and BABIP you cited). But it’s also hard to defend a 430 foot bomb off a poorly located fastball. He limits walks and gets the Ks but he will break your heart. Everyone makes mistakes; Pivetta’s seem to land in the outfield seats.
Fair point!
Arrieta has a 4.15 FIP and 4.01 xFIP, which are actually higher than his 3.94 ERA.
The bottom line is that he hasn’t pitched that well
One of the biggest differences between the Phillies and the Braves has been the defense. Atlanta’s conscious effort to improve their D has definitely paid off.
And it’s a situation where coaching has had a noticeable effect. I was very skeptical of the Ron Washington signing (mostly because I wanted a better manager in waiting, though), but what he has done with the infield D has been impressive as hell.
He is a great infield coach – I would love to see him working with the younger Rangers players.
A few times this month they’ve moved Hoskins to 1B and Santana to 3B. And they traded for Asdrubal Cabrera and he is also a major defensive liability. And Kingery is no great SS.
I was thinking about this earlier today because baseball reference’s WAR thinks Aaron Nola is really a 10-win pitcher this year, despite only being a 7.5 win guy in RA9 (and 5.5 from FIP). I thought, the Phillies must have a really, really bad defense that they’re crediting him for an extra *two-and-a-half-wins* over his RA9 number. Turns out, the Phillies do have a bad defense, but UZR doesn’t even think they’re the worst in the league this year (much less the worst in recorded history). The Mets, Blue Jays, and (especially) the Orioles are worse.
Two thoughts:
1) One thing that doesn’t get remarked upon enough is how aggressive DRS is compared to UZR. In theory, this shouldn’t make a difference, but since DRS uses one-year samples instead of 3-year samples as the baseline, it’s possible for a year in which other teams are doing very well with positioning to make a bad fielding team look really, really bad. Notice how both the Orioles and Jays also make the list. This seems to be a case where the Phillies are bad, but lots of other teams in the league are also really good.
2) I really, really think that we have a looong way to go on defensive metrics before we can adjust pitcher’s runs allowed by the defensive metrics to arrive at value. Here we have the Phillies, who supposedly have the worst defense in the last 15 years, but UZR doesn’t even think they’re the worst in the league? It just doesn’t work.
I think DRS gets a bit too high on the fringes. I trust UZR slightly more.
Slightly more? I don’t trust either DRS or UZR.
I strongly suspect that defense is going to be the final frontier of sabermetrics.
A new frontier maybe, not sure about the final frontier.
I realize we spoke about this other day, but your objection to using defensive metrics to measure pitcher value really doesn’t make sense to me. We know that it takes three years of data for UZR or DRS to stabilize at the individual level for a full-time position player. But if you add up an entire team then the sample size is obviously much larger than that. In that sense, using team defense to measure pitcher value in a given year should be _more_ reliable than measuring a position player’s value by tacking one year’s worth of individual defensive value onto hitting value.
It absolutely should be more reliable, and I think it is! It’s just still not very good.
Hey now! Admitting that defensive metrics don’t perfectly reflect a player’s defensive performance in any given season is tantamount to preferring Wins and Ribbies!
Do you even FG comment section, bro???
True, diehard Phillies fans are probably feeling pretty peeved at this article that’s exposing their teams flaw and they could say something about it, but really, they have no defense.
As a diehard Phillies fan, I’m peeved that the Phillies are on the worst 10 list 3 times, Can I blame Reuben Amaro?
Low-hanging insult? 20 upvotes? smh
Whooosh.
Complaining about a comment because you didnt get the joke is always gold.
The Phillies pitching staff also has one of the higher K/9 numbers in the majors, so this isn’t a bad defense getting more chances to stink due to circumstance. Although I suppose K/9 is inflated by the defense not making outs, so that might not the best measure either (K/PA would be best?).
I assume overall defensive adjustments would be trying to include these effects, but the difference between playing in front of a great or terrible defense would be 2-3 extra batters a game for a top starter, which would show up as almost 1 K/9 difference for a “true” 1 K/IP guy.
By K%, the Phillies are still #6 in the majors (23.8%).
What’s the short explanation for why there’s no UZR for pitchers and catchers? I understand it can be tough; for example, pop-ups on the infield almost always involve the pitcher conceding the catch to an infielder from behind him. Tough to identify the pitcher’s responsibility cleanly. But there are definitely balls those two have to field. Catchers get plenty of foul pop-up chances, bunts and squibs with the defense back happen, etc.
I suppose one argument against it for catchers is that fielding is such a small percentage of the defensive work that catchers do and you wouldn’t want to mislead, but it’s still a real thing.
For pitchers, I imagine it’s a sample size issue. If it takes 3 years for a regular player’s UZR to become significant, that’s about 4000 defensive innings. A pitcher gets 200 defensive innings per year at most. It would take seven fully-healthy years of full-time pitching to get the equivalent of even one season’s worth of fielding, and even then you wouldn’t actually learn anything useful because seven-year-old stats aren’t useful for projecting future performance.
“… the catchers have also combined to be a problem. It’s totally fair to question the latter, since the numbers at Baseball Prospectus think the Phillies’ catchers have been slightly above-average, but I led with DRS, so that’s the main focus. ”
This is easily explained. Phillies catchers have contributed OK throwing, terrible pitch blocking, and (according to BP) very solid framing. How you evaluate their defense depends a lot on how you weight those elements.
A few things that I think could have been brought up:
1) The Phils use of the shift. In addition to Arrieta’s complaints, it just seems that the Phillies shifts did not work like say, peak-era Rays. Can this be evaluated?
2) Altherr not hitting. He always graded out as a plus defender, but couldn’t hit. Nick Williams is a bad player in the field.
3) Playing people out of position. The Santana/Hoskins part was mentioned, but they also played Kingery a lot at SS even though he played exclusive 2B. Crawford also played a lot of 3B, which actually may have helped the totals. And then of course the Santana at 3B debacle down the stretch when the teams signs yet another guy (Bour) who can’t play anything other than 1st.
Most of this is fixable, but it would take trades of Santana and Hernandez, signing Machado, and going with Reese, Kingery, Crawford and Manny in the IF. That would probably be one of the best defensive infields in baseball.
Edit: Or, the answer is to double down!
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/carlos-santana-third-base-2019-hed-be-open-it-gabe-kapler
It was by Design. Klentak was trying to cash in on positional adjustment by getting extra first baseman,play first base in left and 2b kingery at short and keep decent for his position hitting Hernandez at second. Could have worked had kingery not sucked at the plate.
That Santana deal looked questionable even before we had hindsight, though, right? I know Santana was a pretty solid value, but I don’t think that made him the right fit – correct me if I’m wrong with that thinking.
Moving Hoskins to left, despite his fine overall athleticism, looked ill fated; Hoskins’ ft/sec sprint speed was 26.1 in 2017, ranking him 66th out of 74 LF. Granted, Hoskins was forcing Altherr and Williams into a time share, which seemed like a good idea since Nick Williams appeared destined to fall off a cliff, offensively, with his 19% swstrk rate in 2017. Yet here we are and Williams is sitting on a 12% SwStrk rate and another above average offensive performance, while it’s Altherr who’s gone silent.
It was a weird gamble that’s made to look worse by poor defensive showings from typically solid glove-men like Hernandez, Herrera, and Crawford.
Hoskins isn’t even a good athlete by 1b standard, his sprint speed last year was below average for 1b and second worst among leftfielders
I guess I meant overall body control and coordination. Like, he looks more coordinated than Hunter Pence and Rich Hill. But yes, you are right about his speed.
Given their defensive ‘efforts’ at Coors how are they still at -129 on the leaderboard!?
Harper? But where would he play? He’s as bad as Hoskins in the field.
I wonder how much of their poor defensive numbers are from having a very SABR-friendly manager paired with an analytical department that has only been around for three seasons. Maybe Kapler trusts them TOO much, especially since he came from the Dodgers last year.