The Yankees Perform Infield Triage

There were a lot of reasons Gleyber Torres was fascinating as a prospect. Most of them were based on his offensive potential, but if we turn back the clock four years, there was also hope that Torres would be an adequate enough shortstop that he wouldn’t necessarily need to move down the defensive spectrum (at least not right away) thanks to a strong arm that could compensate for other shortcomings. Both Eric Longehagen and Dan Farnsworth expressed that hope here at FanGraphs, though Eric wasn’t quite as bullish. The Yankees are perhaps the foremost experts in winning lots of games with a defensively unimpressive shortstop who more than makes up for it with fantastic offensive contributions; the height of that ideal, of course, is recently-inducted Hall of Famer Derek Jeter.

Torres had mostly played second base in his rookie campaign, with mixed results, but when incumbent shortstop Didi Gregorius underwent Tommy John surgery, the Yankees had an opportunity to give him an extended look at the position. That seemed to pay off. At -5 runs per 150 by UZR and -6/150 by DRS and OAA, Torres wasn’t a great shortstop by any stretch, but he wasn’t in “let’s see how Todd Hundley does in the outfield” territory, either. Plus, hitting .278/.337/.535 with 38 homers at age 22 has a nice way of neutralizing concerns about mediocre defense.

The wheels came off that particular apple cart last season. He played poor defense, and while he still got on base, his power completely disappeared. All told, Torres hit just three homers in the abbreviated 2020 campaign, and his isolated power dropped in half, from .256 to .125. Last season was a weird year for obvious reasons, but Torres hasn’t bounced back at all in a more normal one, hitting .249/.320/.349 through Monday’s games. At this level of offense, it gets much harder to carry a defensively unimpressive shortstop. In 151 combined games in 2020 and ’21, basically a full season, Torres’ numbers at short have been -6 runs by UZR, -7 by OAA, and an extremely troubling -21 in DRS.

What’s more, with September still not half over, Torres has already committed four errors, most recently a costly one that extended the second inning in Sunday’s game against the Mets, giving Francisco Lindor the chance to hit a three-run homer in a game the Mets won by one run:

Given how precarious the team’s playoffs hopes currently are, it’s easy to understand why the team was no longer content to wait Torres out. And out he is, with the Yankees instead set to turn to Gio Urshela. For a team that really ought to be risk-averse given their playoff position, the willingness to play a third baseman pushing 30 at short says a lot about how the club views Torres. ZiPS sees Urshela as a -5 defensive shortstop, but at least his sins are more likely to be the result of range than misplays. (While third base feels like a more natural long-term home for Torres given his arm, he also hasn’t played there since 2017.)

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If Urshela also struggles at short, I think the Yankees are more likely to undo this move rather than bench Torres for Tyler Wade. But any such return to the position may be very short-lived. The disappearance of Gleyber’s power has changed the calculus of the defensive situation, and fixing that issue has to be the priority at this point. In this version of the standard “guns vs. butter” dilemma, the Yankees are probably going to be watching their cholesterol.

Naturally, the ZiPS projections loved Torres after 2019. Who wouldn’t love a 22-year-old shortstop who had just threatened the 40-homer mark? The projections had Torres peaking as a low-40s homer hitter in the mid-2020s with the eighth-most rest-of-career WAR remaining of any position player. After 2020, ZiPS projected him with a peak projection of 34 homers, still All-Star territory, but dropping from eighth in rest-of-career WAR to 21st. With 2021 nearly finished, those projections have continued their all-out retreat:

ZiPS Projection – Gleyber Torres
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .267 .342 .448 491 67 131 23 0 22 81 56 10 111 -9 2.3
2023 .264 .343 .458 478 67 126 24 0 23 83 57 9 114 -9 2.3
2024 .261 .341 .455 475 67 124 23 0 23 82 57 9 112 -9 2.2
2025 .260 .342 .464 466 67 121 23 0 24 82 58 9 115 -9 2.3
2026 .259 .341 .459 455 64 118 22 0 23 79 56 8 113 -10 2.0

Being the Yankees comes with the expectation that the team won’t undergo long periods of rebuilding, so we may see them go hard after either Carlos Correa, Trevor Story, or Corey Seager this offseason. The resurgent Marcus Semien is also a free agent, giving New York four options that now look to be obviously superior to Torres:

ZiPS Projection – Corey Seager (NYY)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .281 .354 .503 437 74 123 27 2 22 88 46 3 128 1 3.8
2023 .281 .354 .507 416 71 117 27 2 21 85 45 3 129 0 3.5
2024 .279 .352 .514 405 69 113 25 2 22 84 44 3 130 -1 3.4
2025 .278 .351 .510 392 66 109 24 2 21 82 42 2 128 -2 3.1
2026 .276 .348 .496 377 62 104 22 2 19 77 40 2 124 -3 2.7

ZiPS Projection – Carlos Correa (NYY)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .284 .368 .519 489 82 139 26 1 29 109 64 1 136 2 5.0
2023 .283 .369 .528 470 80 133 26 1 29 108 63 1 138 1 4.8
2024 .281 .367 .529 459 78 129 25 1 29 106 61 1 138 1 4.6
2025 .282 .366 .537 447 76 126 25 1 29 105 58 1 139 0 4.5
2026 .281 .364 .515 431 71 121 23 0 26 97 55 1 133 -1 3.9

ZiPS Projection – Trevor Story (NYY)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .251 .323 .478 554 85 139 28 4 30 85 55 29 112 5 4.2
2023 .254 .326 .487 520 80 132 29 4 28 80 52 22 115 4 4.1
2024 .250 .323 .481 503 76 126 27 4 27 77 50 21 113 3 3.7
2025 .248 .322 .466 483 71 120 25 4 24 71 48 18 109 2 3.1
2026 .245 .315 .453 461 66 113 22 4 22 65 44 15 104 1 2.6

ZiPS Projection – Marcus Semien (NYY)
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .266 .338 .490 598 103 159 29 3 33 105 66 13 120 2 4.7
2023 .263 .336 .484 562 95 148 28 3 30 96 62 11 118 1 4.1
2024 .258 .329 .468 538 87 139 26 3 27 88 57 10 112 0 3.4
2025 .253 .322 .445 510 79 129 23 3 23 79 52 9 104 -2 2.5
2026 .249 .315 .428 481 71 120 20 3 20 69 46 8 98 -3 1.8

Despite the relative misery of the last two seasons, it’s still too soon to write off Torres completely. I think it’s dangerous to close the book on a player at age 24, especially one who has already been a significant contributor in the majors and who both scouts and stats loved as a prospect. But it’s time for the Yankees to at least set their sights for him lower, focusing on helping Torres return to being an offensive force rather than ironing out his defensive issues at shortstop. Moving him off the position is, hopefully, just the first chapter of a great comeback story.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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viceroyMember since 2020
4 years ago

Yankees in on story too?

JoserMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  viceroy

If they really wanted him they already could have gone and got him, either in the offseason or at the trade deadline. That they didn’t suggests they’d rather have one of the bigger names, so he’s a fallback option at best. (Of course it’s also possible the Rockies wanted too much in trade, and/or the Yankees didn’t think their shortstop and line-up situation was going to be so dire by this point of 2021). But the Yankees like to shop at the top of the market when they go shopping, especially for the marquee positions.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Joser

I suppose anything is possible, but this is not my read of the situation at all. Trevor Story is having an awful year and, as far as I can tell, the Rockies were asking for prospects like he was still performing at the top of his game. Meanwhile, the Yankees had a massive hole in the outfield and and Gallo was playing exceptionally well. So I wouldn’t read into that too much.

scotth855Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Thank you, Mr. Szymborski 🙂

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I’m convinced that with the number of promising shortstops in the Yankees’ system they’re not going to be that excited to spend a huge amount of money on a shortstop for the next 10 years. They’re probably going to look at shorter term deals (between 1 and 3 years) for a shortstop who falls through the cracks. The shortstop most likely to fall through the cracks is Story…a 1 year deal, or a 2 year deal with a player opt-out is probably what gets this done.

I’m curious if any other player might fall through. Baez is probably the next most likely but given Baez’s frustration with the boo-birds in another NY stadium I don’t think he’d be at the top of their list. Seager’s less likely to fall through the cracks than those two, especially if the Tigers miss on Correa. But Seager’s not having a very good year. It will be interesting to see if he gets his big deal or if he has to settle for a pillow contract to prove that he’s healthy. I doubt Correa and Semien fall through the cracks.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Having lots of prospects at SS isn’t going to stop the yanks from spending on a veteran. Their spending has generally been near term focused, worrying about the future when tbey absolutely have to. Players have changed position to accomodate phenoms before and tbey’ll do it again. Minor league SS going to other positions is common, too.

What matters most is figuring how to build the best possible ’22 roster. If they do go cheap on SS it is more likely to be to spend on pitching than betting on prospects. (Note how Cleveland, up to their gills in middle infielders and with a half dozen holes elsewhere, moved Lindor for 2 SS. The old “best available talent” play.)

Now, they might indeed go cheap (Story pillow contract) or go for broke with Correa or Seager but I think they would enjoy getting Correa for the same or less than Lindor got. from the Mets. 😀

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I don’t think there’s any way Correa matches Lindor. Lindor’s peak was better and was really just coming off a weird pandemic year. I do think Correa gets at least 8/200, maybe even like 10/250. Which honestly is a more than fair contract. 25M a year is nothing these days.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I think your instinct on this is correct. In addition to everything you said, every so often you get teams handing out these mega contracts and people want to use them as comps, but teams regret them within a year or two. Would anyone trade for Lindor for a bag of baseball right now? I would argue no. So why would they turn around and give $350M or whatever to Correa?

The other issue is the number of shortstops on the market. There isn’t a lot of evidence that any of Seager, Story, or Baez are going back to their current teams or to teams that recently traded shortstops. Correa is likely the best-projected free agent over the next 8 years if you were to project out that far, but there are enough shortstops that if you fail to sign Correa you can probably get Seager or Story or Baez for less. The teams that look to be playing in the $200M+ range for a shortstop are the Tigers and maaaaaaybe the Yankees or Padres or Angels if they don’t care about the luxury tax (and in the case of the Padres, want to move Tatis Jr off of SS which seems unlikely).

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I said *or less*.
Of course everybody after Correa will want to get him for less tban Lindor. But he is far more likely to actually *earn* tbat money if tbat’s what it takes.

For all his regular IL time Correa is younger than the other SS FAs and has been fairly consistent year after year. W&K percentages in particular. With him you know what you get. And he’s having a 5+ WAR year.

Is SS the biggest need of NYY? No. They have the offence to carry a glove only guy. And tbey really need pitching. But these are the yanks and they don’t believe there is such a thing as overkill. They can afford him. And tbey can market him to the NY fans.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

The Yankees are 4th in MLB in pitching WAR, and 16th in position player WAR. It’s the offense that’s been letting them down, not their pitching. Well, the pitching hasn’t been great for this down period, but when is the pitching great for any team during a down period? The Yankees could always use more pitching but priority #1 is figuring out the offense.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I’m curious if Torres would be able to handle third base. I know people have said he didn’t feel comfortable out there, and there are players who have found third base more challenging than shortstop or second because you’re reacting so quickly to everything. But if he can’t handle third, it’s not like you look at him and think he’s a natural for CF, so he’s probably in a corner outfield spot or first base where the bat doesn’t play.

One of the players who really struggled at third base was Hanley Ramirez. Torres is probably not going to have anywhere near the offensive stardom that Hanley Ramirez had, but the more I look at Torres the more he reminds me of Ramirez on defense. Ramirez was a bad shortstop but he wasn’t any better at third, and he was objectively bad as an outfielder. By the time he wound up at first base the bat wasn’t good enough to play there anymore. I kind of wonder if Torres (like Hanley Ramirez) is just going to be one of those guys who can’t seem to play any position competently.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is no place on the field for Torres if he continues to carry a .669 OPS. I don’t see him in pinstripes next year.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, I was wondering why third base hasn’t seemed to be an option for him. He played it in minors, but then never seemed to go back–I hadn’t heard that people said he didn’t feel comfortable there. That’s interesting. I do wonder how he would do there now with some MLB time at both up-the-middle positions/general experience and the motivation of him wanting to keep his spot with the Yankees.

dl80Member since 2026
4 years ago

Given that Torres never showed much home run power in the minors, does the huge home run surge in the majors point to the ball? An offensive approach that took pitchers a while to figure out? PEDs? Something else? I just don’t get how he so completely fell apart.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

The ball might be suspicious, but he was also bad last year with the rabbit ball.
Most likely answer is the pitchers adapted and he hasn’t.

And he isn’t the first to go from great to meh overnight. There have been quite a few (one year) big power guys who were “here today, gone tomorrow”.

Does the name Bob Hamelin ring a bell? Joe Charboneau? Cory Snyder? No peds or rabbit ball involved with any of them.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Lol come on. He just stopped lifting the ball and started cutting his swing down for more contact. Sometimes guys just fall apart at the plate. It happens. Benintendi, Bellinger (might be injury related, might not), Eugenio Suarez, etc. Is part of it the juiced ball? Of course. But it’s more his approach than anything.

Kered Retej
4 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Any chance there are lingering/long-term effects from his 2 Covid stints?

jrp1918Member since 2024
4 years ago

Maybe Torres can go to Oakland to learn how to play short. Or is he worse than Semien was at the start of his career?

ResumeManMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  jrp1918

Where have you gone Ron Washington!

cartographerMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  ResumeMan

Tell him, Wash . . .

roadrider
4 years ago
Reply to  cartographer

It’s incredibly hard ….

Mean Mr. Mustard
4 years ago
Reply to  ResumeMan

Mr. Washington keeps the meter, heh

Pepper Martin
4 years ago

Meanwhile, Anthony Volpe’s out there hitting .298/.426/.612 on the season.

steveo
4 years ago

I like Gleyber Torres, but if he’s going to hit like *this*, then yeah, move him to 2B where the throws aren’t as tough and you’re aided with the shift more.

The big question is what about 2021? I don’t think the Yankees will sign Semien because he’s probably going to get at least 4 years and I bet the Yankees don’t want to give out another long term deal for an infielder in his 30s. Story is a possibility, but I get the feeling the Yankees are going to want someone who performed more consistently in 2021. Imagine signing Story and he flops? The Yankees had a million things go wrong this year, but they didn’t expect the offense to be the main issue.

So that leaves Seager or Correa. Seager is a better fit for the lineup as a lefty, but Correa is the much better defender. I think they go after Correa because of his defense. The Yankees FO is kind of over the bad defense/good bat profile. I think the Rizzo/Gallo trades kind of confirm that as well. I think it’ll take 8/200 or maybe 10/250 for Correa which is fair. I don’t think a team like the Tigers is a threat at that level. I think he’ll have fewer suitors than people think and I think he’ll come in far less than what Lindor got.

Volpe/Peraza are at least a year or two away but they’re prospects. Maybe they’ll come up and hit right away, but do you really want to bet a prime year of Cole/Judge/Stanton on it? Just acquire talent like the Dodgers do and let the pieces fall where they may. You can always move Volpe or Peraza to 2B/3B. If the Yankees played in any other division (besides the NL west), they could probably be less urgent, but the AL East is a gauntlet and will only get tougher. It’s time to push the chips into the middle of the table.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Generally agree.
But I think $250m may be a bit low, injuries and all.
And he rejected 6/120 as way too low. He likely wants his own 10year deal as he and Lindor have long had a friendly rivalry.

I think he’ll have maybe 3-4 serious suiters. Dodgers, Yanks. Maybe Astros, Cubs. But I wouldn’t write-off Detroit just yet. Pudge comes to mind; the timing is similar.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

He doesn’t have the track record (or health) of the previous guys getting ten year deals. Lindor, Harper, Betts, or Machado. I’m sure he’ll want a 10+ year deal, but I don’t really see teams wanting to pay a guy into his late 30s who’s had injury issues.

The Dodgers would just bring back Seager before they paid Correa. That just seems logical. Correa already said that this is his last year with the Astros, as he’s said in an interview, so that’s not happening. 6/120 was an insulting offer. That offer was probably just so they can say we tried. The Cubs are too cheap to pay Correa. I can see the Yankees, Jays, Tigers, Angels, and Reds in on him. That’s basically it though. I’d be pretty shocked if he went anywhere else. I still think it’s a year or two too early for the Tigers to really start spending. I think the ’22 or ’23 offseason is far more likely for them to sign some major FAs. Especially since they probably don’t bring up Torkelson and Riley until the summer.

Kevbot034
4 years ago

He clearly had an approach change but it didn’t help him. Hopefully he can salvage it back.

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
4 years ago

No mention of Baez? Why wouldn’t the Yankees be interested in a plus defensive SS who has proven he can handle NY already?

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago

he has?

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  carter

Proven he can handle NY?

Yeah. He’s hitting .310/.385/.603 in 33 games for the Mets. For the season he’s at .264/.316/.514. He’s the same age as Trevor Story, and has been a clearly better player this year.

If the Yankees are interested in Story, why would they not be at least as interested in Baez?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Because he’s already gotten into a spat with fans and his style sends his own team into cardiac arrest. The thing about Baez is that his game is so high risk he always has to keep proving he’s still got it.

steveo
4 years ago

Baez would be a sneaky good option, but I think with the offensive issues this team has had this year, they’re more likely to go for a more sure thing. Also Baez seemed pretty fragile with the thumbs down thing. Yes, it’s dumb, but the Yankees don’t operate like that. They still might sign him and tell him to cut that out, though.

But I think he needs to be like a 2nd or 3rd piece the team adds to the offense. If he’s they’re only addition to the offense, it’ll be bad.

Lanidrac
4 years ago

Baez’s offensive profile is very unlikely to age well. If teams are smart, he won’t get more than a 3-year deal. Of course, it only takes one stupid team to defy expectations…

steveo
4 years ago

I thought it would be fun to note that the Yankees were in agreement to sign Wander Franco before MLB changed their rules and went with IFA caps. They weren’t able to honor all their agreed upon contracts since they got like 5M total to spend. The big market Rays swooped in and stole Franco away, and are now 9 games up on the AL East.

All kidding aside, this is proof that these caps have nothing to do with competitive balance and everything to do with suppressing the bonuses/salaries of amateur players.

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

How is that proof? It did its job in providing better competitive balance for the small market Rays over the gigantic market Yankees.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
4 years ago

It’s so wild that Semien is a slugger now. And defensively capable. Really his entire mid-career transformation is nuts.

walkish
4 years ago

Whoever the Yankees go after…give me odds that they get injured and / or underperform?