Tyler White Already Looks For Real

Possible headline from 2013: Tyler White Is Mashing

Possible headline from 2014: Tyler White Is Mashing

Possible headline from 2015: Tyler White Is Mashing

Possible headline from right now: Tyler White Is Mashing

The best rookie hitter in baseball this year has not been Trevor Story. The best rookie hitter in baseball this year has been Tyler White, by nearly 60 points of wRC+ over Story. Maybe you haven’t heard about him as much because his last name doesn’t make for a convenient headline, but it’s happened. Tyler White is mashing, just like he has at every single level at which he’s played.

Despite that, less than a month ago, right before the start of the regular season, I wrote a post tossing some cold water on the White hype train after he’d won the Astros’ first-base job out of Spring Training. It’s not that I didn’t want to believe White could continue his mashing ways. I naively want to believe every player can succeed. It’s just that I’d found some historical precedent that compelled me to believe White’s skill set wouldn’t do a great job translating.

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A brief recap of the aforementioned post: White is a first baseman, one who has typically relied moreso on controlling the strike zone for his minor-league success rather than hitting for great power. To determine the implications of that sort of profile, I looked at the historical precedent of first baseman who entered the league with plus walk and strikeout rates but below-average power, and found that those types of guys typically have had trouble translating. It’s a skillset that’s fine for a player who offers defensive and base-running value, but without more pop, these types of guys have had trouble sticking at first base at the major-league level. The article concluded as such:

From this one method of evaluating things, he looks like a good major-league hitter, just maybe not for a first baseman, and one whose approach works better in the minors without additional power. Then again, the next time he fails to exceed expectations with the bat will be the first.

Well. He’s exceeding expectations again. And it’s because he’s hitting for power. In 15 career major-league games, White’s already hit five homers, after having never hit more than eight at any one minor-league level, or more than 15 in any one minor-league season. His .380 isolated slugging percentage is top-five in baseball.

Now, of course, it’s been two weeks. You’ve already had that thought at least three times while reading this article. The projections already view White a bit differently, but, because it’s only been two weeks, not too differently. ZiPS has bumped his estimated true-talent ISO from .130 to .151. Steamer went from .149 to .156. The rest-of-season projections haven’t changed drastically, but the rest-of-season projections are never going to change too drastically after just two weeks. What has changed drastically is the updated projections.

We can’t take away what White has done. He has hit five homers. He has run a .380 ISO through his first 57 major-league plate appearance. He does have an OBP above .400. And those facts, coupled with his slightly more rosy rest-of-season projections, make for an updated end-of-season forecast that looks quite a bit different than the one I used to find comparisons for him a month ago. It’s worth re-running the comparison test, now that White’s been one of the three best hitters in baseball for the first two weeks of the season. What do Tyler White’s rookie first baseman comps look like now?

Tyler White’s Updated 10 Closest Rookie Comps
Name PA HR AVG OBP SLG ISO BB% K% BABIP wRC+ WAR
Joey Votto 589 24 .297 .368 .506 .209 10.0% 17.3% .328 124 3.6
Matt Carpenter 340 6 .294 .365 .463 .169 10.0% 18.5% .346 124 1.5
Lucas Duda 347 10 .292 .370 .482 .189 9.5% 16.4% .326 136 0.8
Prince Fielder 648 28 .271 .347 .483 .213 9.1% 19.3% .297 110 0.7
Eric Valent 300 13 .267 .337 .481 .215 9.3% 20.3% .299 110 0.4
Chris Shelton 431 18 .299 .360 .510 .211 7.9% 20.2% .341 132 2.5
Ike Davis 601 19 .264 .351 .440 .176 12.0% 23.0% .321 116 2.9
Justin Bour 446 23 .262 .321 .479 .218 7.6% 22.6% .294 117 0.3
Todd Frazier 465 19 .273 .331 .498 .225 7.7% 22.2% .316 121 2.6
Freddie Freeman 635 21 .282 .346 .448 .166 8.3% 22.4% .339 120 0.6
AVERAGE 480 18 .280 .350 .479 .199 9.1% 20.2% .321 121 1.6
White (updated proj.) 381 15 .277 .356 .471 .194 10.0% 21.0% .324 127 1.4
SOURCE: Steamer projections
-Player pool includes: rookie first basemen since 2000
-Minimum 300 plate appearances in rookie year
-Comps based on: z-scores of league-adjusted BB%, K%, ISO, and wRC+

Less than a month ago, White’s three closest comps were Yonder Alonso, Conor Jackson and Clint Robinson. Suddenly, it’s rookie year Joey Votto, Matt Carpenter and Lucas Duda. I know we often preach not to put too much stock into small samples, but when a rookie comes out and hits like Bryce Harper for two weeks to begin a career, expectations can shift quickly.

Especially when the area in which that rookie has most exceeded expectations is the area which caused doubt to creep in in the first place. A month ago, White was projected to finish the season with the same ISO as Juan Uribe. Now, he’s projected to finish the season hitting for as much power as Albert Pujols.

And when I see White hitting for more power than expected, I can’t help but think back to an Evan Drellich article from the Houston Chronicle in which Drellich noted White was focusing on hitting high fastballs, and “wants to further tap into his power. He’s always had a great eye and taken his walks, so he was attempting to put the ball in the air more.”

White seemed to know more power would be necessary for sustained big-league success. The strikeout rate has spiked alongside the power, perhaps indicating a swing change. He’s the only player in baseball to have recorded at least five balls in play with a launch angle between 25-30 degrees and an exit velocity above 95 mph — the conditions most conducive to hitting home runs. He’s displayed a major league power hitter’s swing plane. Over half his balls in play have been in the air, and he’s slugged 1.000 on elevated pitches — his areas of focus from Spring Training. He’s been thrown one of the lowest rates of in-zone fastballs, an indicator of respect by pitchers — he’s being pitched like J.D. Martinez and Nelson Cruz. White’s still walking as expected and is still spraying the ball all over the field, so he’s kept the things we liked about him in the first place, just with added power on top, and power that looks like it might be legitimate, or at least more legitimate than we’d anticipated.

Tyler White’s probably not going to hit 40 homers, and he’s probably not going to finish the season as one of the three best hitters in baseball. But he’s done enough in just two weeks to drastically alter reasonable expectations for him, and he’s seemingly made changes to his swing that have him now resembling a legitimate major-league bat. Just a month ago, the evidence pointed to the question being, “Is Tyler White going to hit for enough power to be a major-league first baseman?” White looked more like a placeholder until prospect A.J. Reed took over as the first baseman of the future in June. Now, the evidence points to the question being, “How are the Astros going to find at-bats for A.J. Reed?”





August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.

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Emcee PeepantsMember since 2016
10 years ago

Is he mashing though? Obviously SSS, but that’s all we have to work with. Since the first 7 games of the season, he has been awful and has zero multi-hit games since then.

First 7 games:
26 PA, 12H, 4K, 2BB, 3HR, .545AVG

Last 8 games:
31 PA, 5H, 13K, 3BB, 2HR, .179AVG

I’m not convinced yet.

Emcee PeepantsMember since 2016
10 years ago

I’m not trying to be a dick, but I’m really not convinced of his realness yet.

Yes, his overall wRC+ is impressive, but over his first 7 games, his wRC+ was 374 and he K’d only 15.4% of the time. Since then, it’s been 95 and he has K’d 41.9% of the time. He’s been equal parts great and pretty terrible so I’m just not convinced he is for real, which was the gist of your article.

I think he is in the same boat as Story, who over his first 7 games and 28 PAs had a wRC+ of 272, hit 7 HR, and K’d “only” 28.6% of the time. Since then, over 9 games and 39 PAs, he has a wRC+ of 83 and has K’d 43.6% of the time with 1 HR.

They both look like guys who, when they make contact, hit the ball hard and far and in the air. I’m just not convinced that either can sustain that for any period of time, which would make them “for real”.

Dooduh
10 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

I don’t really have a horse in this race, but it’s hard to make a whole lot out of what is nothing but a fast start right now. I’m skeptical but mainly bc his hitting mechanics are cringe-worthy. He appears to have a swing that is susceptible to being pitched away. Let’s see how pitchers adjust to him.

I don’t doubt that he’ll hold his own at this level and even occasionally have periods of mashing, but I could see him falling in more as an Allan Craig sort or LoMo or Steven Pearce sort of tweener.

ashburn alley
10 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

I think Allen Craig is a great comp.

wobatusMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

He had a great winter league season this year too. It’s more fun to speculate about a possible wedding of his minors plate discipline and the power he has shown at some level than to just say not much to see here. Reminds me of John Jaha.

ccovilleMember since 2020
10 years ago

His BABIP is unsustainable. His ISO is nearly double what he put up at any level in the minors. His K rate is terrible. His HR/FB is nearly three times the usual average. He also appears to be a liability on defense.

There’s no way he can keep this up… right?

ccovilleMember since 2020
10 years ago

I understand… but as a guy who has Reed stashed on more teams than not it’s in my best interests to not believe.

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
10 years ago
Reply to  ccoville

And the K rate, double of any level to date, is going to permanently stick? And his terrible defense – he’s not going to focus on that with the help of eminently qualified coaches and/or move to DH?

There’s this trap that only the positives are unsustainable. Let’s avoid that. He isn’t going to K this much – or, if he is, it would be as surprising as if he were a legitimately a .250 ISO hitter, as there’s been no indication of either in his MiLB track record.

wildcard09
10 years ago

So you’re basically saying minor league pitchers are as good as major league pitchers? Why would you not expect K rate to increase against major league pitching>

BigChief
10 years ago
Reply to  wildcard09

No, I think he is basically saying that posting a K rate double of an level, is not likely to stick.

Here are some other K rates that would satisfy Zach Walters Appreciation Guild’s assertion, while still suggesting that major league pitchers are better

K%: 14.9% – 29.7%

So if my calculations are correct, saying that you don’t expect Tyler White’s current K rate to stay at the same rate, does not at imply that his K rate will not increase from his minor league numbers.

ccovilleMember since 2020
10 years ago

You’re right. His across-the-board improvement will definitely stick upon his promotion to the bigs despite several warning signs as to why they shouldn’t.

Zach Walters Appreciation Guild
10 years ago
Reply to  ccoville

Oh, good god. That is what you took from my post. My word, no wonder you took issue with this article.

Unsustainable good things regress. Unsustainable bad things also regress. That was all I was saying. This BABIP won’t continue. This ISO also won’t continue. Those aren’t controversial points. But you’re pointing to a K rate ten points above projection as though it’s gospel. There aren’t perfectly sticky stats and perfectly random stats. Don’t pretend there are. And if you’re not pretending, learn.

Luigi
10 years ago

White vs Lamb. Who would you prefer?

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Luigi

Lamb chops, lamb shanks, lamb loin, good lord lamb is delicious. A nice kabob, or a frenched rack of lamb with mustard sauce…and you’re going to put whitefish up against that?! Or white meat from a chicken? Heck no.

#imightbehungry

wobatusMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I like whole leg, in the grill, off to the side, slow and low.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
10 years ago
Reply to  wobatus

Slow and low is the way to go. For anything.

Shirtless Bartolo Colon
10 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Just finished off Cespedes’s freezer, thank goodness for off days. Boy is he gonna be pissed when he finds out.

#imstillhungry

qotsa04
10 years ago

http://hittrackeronline.com/

4 out of 5 homers => JE (just enough)

Maverik312
10 years ago
Reply to  qotsa04

BUT! “He’s the only player in baseball to have recorded at least five balls in play with a launch angle between 25-30 degrees and an exit velocity above 95 mph — the conditions most conducive to hitting home runs.”

So those four could have been misses, and these 5 could have been successes.

cmays90
10 years ago
Reply to  qotsa04

Some of those weren’t cheap HRs even if they were “JE”. 3 of the 4 “JE”s were 410 feet or longer. Every single one was hit over 100 MPH. Every single one had a launch angle between 20 and 31 degrees. He hasn’t hit any “cheap” homers into the Crawford boxes at MMP. The power is real.

BigChief
10 years ago
Reply to  qotsa04

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/golden_sledgehammer.php

You’ll find that his average HR distance is sandwiched between Donaldson and Harper.

TerenceMember since 2016
10 years ago

The easy answer to your final question is they play Reed at first base (soon). White has demonstrated brick hands through two weeks and isn’t built to field any position except DH.

J.D. MartinMember since 2020
10 years ago

Obviously incredibly small sample size caveats apply, but White’s plate discipline numbers look like this so far:

O-Swing% 25.2 %
Z-Swing% 52.0 %
Swing% 38.6 %
O-Contact% 62.5 %
Z-Contact% 81.8 %
Contact% 75.5 %
Zone% 50.0 %

For comparison, here are Joey Votto’s from last year:

O-Swing% 19.3 %
Z-Swing% 62.0 %
Swing% 37.6 %
O-Contact% 70.9 %
Z-Contact% 82.5 %
Contact% 79.1 %
Zone% 42.7 %

witesoxfan
10 years ago

He is definitely White hot right now.

Dooduh
10 years ago
Reply to  witesoxfan

uh, look again.

tomjefMember since 2017
10 years ago

All he needs to work on now is how to catch a popup on the infield

AnonMember since 2020
10 years ago

I know there are 1000 examples of this (including Trevor Story this year), but:
Matt Kata’s 1st 17 games in 2003: 1110 OPS and 4 HR
Matt Kata career: 660 OPS and 12 HR over 736 PA

I know White is pretty clearly a better hitter than Kata was as a minor leaguer, but still – small sample size.

Dane Roberns
10 years ago

Obviously it is an extremely SSS (need I even say it?), but his profile doesn’t look anything like what he posted in the minors. Is it possible he has consciously traded some contact and patience for power?

Dude hit a homer last night AND dropped an easy pop-up. I wonder if it has just been made clear to him that he needs to hit “like a DH” because that is the only role he’s going to play in the majors. I’m a huge White fan, but I’m not sure I am sold that the Ks right now aren’t somehow a product of his swinging for the fences.

SSS!

Sai
10 years ago

Tyler’s playing some whites out baseball right now 🙁

RonnieDobbs
10 years ago

The hate here is unbelievable! AF is simply trying to point out that he is off to a great start. This is a guy that everyone has always doubted – knocking his performance is not exactly bringing anything new to the discussion. When White does not end up winning the MVP, these people are going to say that they saw it coming, blah, blah, blah… so did literally everyone.

Have some fun with a guy surpassing all expectations for a few weeks – its OK!

Emcee PeepantsMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

The title of the article is “Tyler White already Looks For Real”. We are offering counter points backed up by data (albeit SSS data, but that’s all there is). I probably would not have commented had the article been entitled, “Is Tyler White For Real?” and also included some of the less encouraging data.

As of right now, at least to me, he is exactly as real as Matt Katta, Brian LeHair, or Chris Shelton. Those were fun stories, but ultimately bad MLBers.

bbdawgrex
10 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

This is the key line:

“Especially when the area in which that rookie has most exceeded expectations is the area which caused doubt to creep in in the first place.”

Of course there is a small sample caveat with everything at this point, that’s a given. But White’s weakness was whether he has enough power, and he appears to have answered that question. I think August’s point is that simple – he’s answered the biggest question about him and for that reason he seems a lot more ‘for real’

DragonAsh
10 years ago
Reply to  RonnieDobbs

Oh please. The ‘hate’ is because it’s a one-sided fluff piece based on a flimsy premise.

White hit 7 HRs last year in 250 at-bats, in the PCL, an extreme hitter-friendly league, playing half his games in one of the best parks in the league for home runs. There’s a reason he ‘wasn’t known for his power’.

wobatusMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  DragonAsh

White hit 19.8 homers last year per 700 plate appearances in AA and AAA. He hit 22 per 700 in A and A+ the year before. If he played 162 games he’d get about that many (Rizzo got 701 batting 4th and 5th for the Cubs mostly last year).

Dan Farnsworth had his hit tool at a ceiling of 70 and power 55, and said low double digits homers with doubles power, but he liked the hit tool if he maxed out.

Now we have some suggestion he worked to change his approach and hit for more power. His exit velocity and trajectories seem to suggest and attempt at change, and the K rate etc seem to suggest a change too.

There were a lot of caveats in the article and maybe the headline should be different, but the reaction that it sis a flimsy puff piece is extreme and wrong. Maybe it doesn’t last but player’s profiles can change. Matt Carpenter changed last year and ended up with 28 homers. AJ Pollock hit 8 homers in 608 PAs in AA, and 3 in 471 PA in the PCL. He hit 20 in the majors last year.

Joe Joe
10 years ago

SSS aside, I definitely agree it is somewhat noteworthy if a guy outperforms his projected WAR for the season in the 1st 2 weeks. It is going to take a huge negative outlier for him to regress to the point he only matches the preseason expectations.

Lunch AngleMember since 2016
10 years ago

Another strange stat from White: he’s striking out at 30% clip, but his SwStr% is only 9.5%. That K rate should definitely come down.

walt526
10 years ago

“Maybe you haven’t heard about him as much because his last name doesn’t make for a convenient headline, but it’s happened.”

Certainly if he had started out with 6 homers in his first four games, some arsehole with a blog would have led with the headline “White Power!”

dirtbag
10 years ago

Now on a 5-43 tear…

Dooduh
10 years ago
Reply to  dirtbag

Yeah, was about to mention… this seems to have sorted itself out already.

dirtbag
10 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

Playing Little League quality defense too.

edgcarMember since 2024
10 years ago

This post is worth revisiting. I’d love to see a comparison of heat maps of the first week and the last 3, which has certainly been awful