Vacillating for Victor Robles

I was writing from the heart. When the Nationals designated Victor Robles for assignment back in May, I wrote about what it was like to wait for him to make it to the big leagues; and then, once he arrived, to wait for him to turn into a star; and then, when it became clear that he wasn’t going to turn into a star, to wait for him to turn into a solid contributor; and then, as the likelihood of that outcome grew more and more faint, just to wait.
Fans reserve a special kind of affection for players like Robles. They don’t do it on purpose; it’s just how people tend to work. Superstars, with their reliable excellence, are easy to love. They’re big, warm Labrador retrievers with their tails waggling like Gary Sheffield’s bat as they wait impatiently for you to open the front door every night. They give you exactly what you want, and the love they inspire is beautiful and simple. When they move on to another organization, the loss you feel is deep, yes, but its edges are clearly defined because something pure has been taken from you.
When you’ve been watching and waiting and hoping for a player to figure things out for the better part of the decade, the feelings involved are a lot messier. Even if your love and your loss aren’t as profound, their edges are a lot more ragged. You’ve spent years pinballing between highs and lows, hopes and fears, anxiety and joy and despair, sometimes all at once. In other words, it’s a lot more like real life and real love. By the time a player like that moves on, you’ve invested way too much of your well-being in them to simply stop caring. It’s hard to imagine a single Nationals fan anywhere who wasn’t rooting for Robles to finally figure things out once the Mariners gave him the change of scenery he so clearly needed, who wasn’t truly happy to see him get off to a hot start in Seattle. But we all have our limits.
Back on August 6, over at Baseball Prospectus, Mikey Ajeto broke down all the mechanical adjustments that Robles has made since he joined Seattle. (Yes, the same Mikey Ajeto who writes exclusively about pitchers. Honestly, the biggest miracle that Robles has performed isn’t magically going supernova the moment that he turned the W on his hat upside down; it’s getting Ajeto to pay attention to a hitter for once.) He’s dropped his hands, ditched his leg kick, and added a scissor kick and a mini-squat before the pitch. Because Ajeto covered those more technical topics, I can continue to focus on the surface-level numbers. And you know what happened to the surface-level numbers after the publication of that article, which was entirely devoted to documenting Robles’s sudden improvement as the plate? They didn’t just keep getting better, they exploded.
I was wishing as hard as anyone for Robles to succeed with the Mariners, but I didn’t mean like this. I was thrilled to see him land a two-year extension worth a guaranteed $9.75 million, but he wasn’t supposed to instantly turn into the best player in baseball, like moving moving from a district named Washington to an actual state named Washington was all it took to break a powerful curse cast by some old Issaquah-based witch who fell into the Reflecting Pool during her mock trial team’s trip to DC in ninth grade and never got over the humiliation. And no, I’m not exaggerating. From June 5 to August 17, Robles turned his season around, running a 118 wRC+. Since August 18, Robles has literally been the best player in baseball: He’s put up a 230 wRC+ and accrued 1.8 WAR, more than whichever Cooperstown-bound MVP candidate you’d care to name. Sure, it’s fair to point out that he’s running a comically high .527 BABIP over that period, but his .386 xwOBA still ranks 19th among qualified players during that stretch. It’s starting to look like the simplest explanation for why Robles never lived up to his potential is that cherry blossoms are his personal kryptonite.
Somehow Robles left this ragged hole in the hearts of Nationals fans, but arrived in Seattle a gleaming superstar. The chaos has only reared its head lately. Robles is playing through a hip issue, and left his last two games due to different injuries: leg soreness on Sunday and a right hand contusion after getting hit by a pitch to lead off last night’s game, an 11-2 loss to the Yankees. Before Robles was removed against New York, his wildness on the basepaths finally caught up with the Mariners, with whom he’d previously gone 25-for-25 on stolen base attempts. He was caught stealing home in the bottom of the first inning, taking the bat out of Justin Turner’s hands with the bases loaded, two outs, and a 3-0 count.
I’m not saying all this is going to last, no matter how much Robles loves the Puget Sound. Since he arrived in Seattle, he’s run a 34.4% hard-hit rate and an 86.7-mph average exit velocity. The former is much better than Robles has put up in any previous season, but the latter isn’t and both are still well below league average. The real change is his barrel rate of 8.6%, which is miles above anything he’s accomplished in previous years. But keep in mind that we’re talking about just 13 barrels out of 151 balls in play, and neither his launch angle nor his GB/FB rate represents much of a departure from his career numbers. We’ve moved past any-batter-can-do-just-about-anything-over-60-plate-appearances territory, but we’re not all that far off either.
Robles has made some honest-to-goodness adjustments to his swing that have had an immediate, dramatic effect — frankly, the effect was so immediate and so dramatic that the Nationals should be looking closely at every single one of those adjustments and asking themselves what the Mariners saw that they didn’t — and we should probably adjust our priors going forward. But I haven’t seen anything (yet) to convince me that he’s going to keep running a BABIP above .500 from here on out. Further, Robles has been dealing with a hip issue in addition to the leg soreness (which is a separate ailment) and the hand injury that forced his early exit from the last two games. As someone who spent something like a quarter of my life rooting for Robles to finally put it all together, I sincerely hope his nagging injuries turn out to be no more than just that, and that when Robles finally does come down to earth, he finds a comfortable spot that’s situated well above sea level. But as long as he’s spending whole months with a wRC+ above 200, I reserve the right to be a little jealous.
Davy Andrews is a Brooklyn-based musician and a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @davyandrewsdavy.bsky.social.
That was a superstar brain fart trying to steal home there. What would Yogi or Casey say about that? I’m happy he’s living up to his potential but….
This was part of why he wore out his welcome with the Nationals. I bet if you google Victor Robles and Riley Adams you’ll get to see / read about what must be the worst baserunning of this century.
It was probably more the career 81 wRC+, but when you aren’t hitting up to expectations people tend to magnify things like that instead of minimizing them. All of Manny Ramirez’s idiosyncrocies would have been called “character flaws” if he hadn’t been an otherworldly hitter.
The only way anyone would have minimized this one is if he was hitting like Manny. The dropped ball is bad, but it happens. The baserunning blunder showed a tremendous lack of awareness.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/05/13/victor-robles-nationals-blunders/
I remember the game and commented on it here. That baserunning blunder came immediately after he dropped a routine flyball that opened the gates for the Mets. It was as poorly played back to back half innings as I can recall. I will be shocked if he continues this hot stretch in 2025.
No one should steal home with the bases loaded in a 3-0 count for obvious reasons, but if you’re going to steal home, waiting for the pitcher to have his back turned and reaching down for the rosin bag is probably the best time to do it
While true, it is also cancelled out by the fact that Luis Gil couldn’t find the strike zone that inning with a map.
That play last night was crazy. What was he thinking?
I wonder if he was trying to rattle Gil (who was really, really wild) into throwing the ball away for a freebie, but went too far and then was committed. In another situation, it might have made some sense, but in this context, inexplicable.
Where was he going? (IYKYK)
“…the Nationals should be looking closely at every single one of those adjustments and asking themselves what the Mariners saw that they didn’t”. Not naming names, but gonna go out on a limb and suggest a big part of the issue may rhyme with Farnell Boles.
Looking at some numbers, I feel like his adjustments were a process that began much earlier – with the Nationals.
I see a big change in his 2023 season where he dramatically increased his contact quality, both making more contact and hitting the ball harder.
In 2023 he lowered his K% by 10, raised his EV by 2mpg, raised his hardHit% by 7, while almost doubling his wRC+ and raising his xWOBA by almost .100.
But his launch angle was lowered by 6deg.
This year, he merely raised that launch angle back to his career levels while maintaining the same contact quality.
Srikeouts rose a bit, but putting more air on the ball is a worthwhile tradeoff and the difference between his barrels and Extra Base Hits.
Obviously this is more encouraging than him continuing to be bad, but he has had a long time to do anything like this and he hasn’t. This may be a Mickey Moniak-style flash in the pan.
I don’t know, I’m more inclined to believe there is something real here. Anytime a player changes teams, makes mechanical adjustment and sees significant results, I’m intrigued. Obviously luck has definitely been a contributing factor but at 228 PA’s, there’s more to it than just that. He’s certainly not going to maintain the .397 BABIP he’s had with Seattle, however, that’s not a necessity for him to shine. He’s shown improved plate discipline and contact quality. If just the improved plate discipline sticks, he’s likely an average hitter, average defensive center fielder and above average baserunner (despite some of his bonehead decisions). That’s probably good for 3 WAR alone. If the improved contact quality is real, he’s probably running a 110-120 wRC+ and a 4 WAR player. It’s likely the former than the latter but either way, I think there’s a solid chance he’s an average to slightly above average regular going forward and I’m buying.
It is very likely he is going to be rosterable, which is a huge difference from where it looked a few months ago. The .397 BABIP is a huge red flag because he doesn’t walk much and doesn’t hit the ball hard. His hard hit rate isn’t that different from previous seasons, his average EV is still not very good, but somehow he’s syncing it up right so that his barrel % is much larger. Barrel rate is often a good indicator of future success but he doesn’t have a long track record of keeping these mechanics in place.
Even if he regresses to the exact xBA and xSLG that he has this year with a similar walk rate, he’d still be a valuable platoon player and defensive replacement who can handle all three outfield spots, minimum (expected stats would be something like .263/.342/.413, which is solid for a good defender who can handle CF).
Also, the improved swing/plate discipline started last season, he’s just making better use of it and facing more favorable matchups by facing more LHP, where he’s always been better. But both the lower strikeout rate and increased walk rate look legit.
I’m buying the 110-120wRC+
I noted in a chat a bit ago (Clemens?) when Victor Robles came up and I’ll say it here again:
The only discernable change in his underlying statistics is that his O-contact% has dropped. A lot. It looks like he’s being more aggressive also, both in and out of the zone, but mostly he’s just missing balls outside the zone more frequently. Presuming that hitting those is going to lead to bad contact, it’s no wonder that his BABIP is way high. All he’s done is take a bunch of bad contact out of his data set. I don’t see how swinging and missing is EVER a good process, so I can’t imagine this is going to continue very long.
He’s also being more aggressive on the basepaths (for better, and clearly sometimes for worse) which for a player with his speed is helpful. That much is probably sustainable. But I don’t think that the hitting is.
Still isn’t old
Living just a few miles from Cheney Stadium, I see the M’s prospects and when a player like Kelenic gets called up our hopes soar for him to become an all-star. No matter where he plays,Kelenic will always have Seattle fans.
Robles always has shown streaks of good baseball. And then… the boneheadedness inevitably returns. He’s been that way since I first saw him in High A. Hit a triple on his first at bat and then gets thrown out by the second baseman by daring him to make a throw to third when the ball was back in the infield. Three strikeouts followed. His career in microcosm.
I was dreaming on him for years as well. Maybe he’s finally healthy.
Except for the hip, leg, and hand injuries.
Robles doesn’t have to be anywhere near this good to be an upgrade for the Mariners over the next two years.
Does that say more about the Mariners than it does about him?
Yes.
Since Servais’ firing (and Dan Wilson and Edgar coming in), the Mariners position players somehow have the 3rd most position-player WAR and a 126 wRC+.
But 1.6 (25%) of that WAR is Robles.
In what is otherwise a beautifully written piece, the last paragraph repeating some of the injury language from near the top is a bit distracting.