Valuing the 2017 Top 100 Prospects
Earlier this morning, Eric Longenhagen rolled out his list of the top-100 prospects in baseball, with Red Sox-turned-White Sox prospect Yoan Moncada at the top of his rankings. Helpfully, Eric’s rankings include the FV grade for each player, so that we can see that he really does see a difference between Moncada and the rest of the pack, as Moncada was the only prospect in the sport to garner a 70 grade.
As Eric notes in his piece, the grade is really the more important number here, as the ordinal ranking can create some false sense of separation, where players might be 20 or 30 spots apart on the list but offer fairly similar expected future value. The FV tiers do a good job of conveying where the real differences lay, highlighting those instances when Eric actually does see a significant difference between players, versus simply having to put a similar group of prospects in some order regardless of the strength of his feelings about those rankings.
But while the FV scale is helpful in binning players, it doesn’t do much to convey the differences between the tiers themselves. How much more valuable is a 60 than a 55? Or is a team better off with one elite 65 or 70 FV prospect or a multitude of 50-55 types? These are interesting questions, and ones that teams themselves have to answer on a regular basis.
To attempt to answer those questions, we’re proud to announce that we’ve licensed the prospect valuation model on which Kevin Creagh and Steve DiMiceli have worked for the last few years. Kevin and Steve have advanced the framework of previously published research on draft pick and prospect valuation, and have created a system that attempts to quantify the expected future value of a prospect based on how similarly rated prospects have performed in the major leagues. The model looks at the level of expected performance and the expected cost of a player during the years before he reaches free agency, and then estimates a player’s value to his organization during that time.
In the previous iterations of this model, the model based the similarity of current prospects to players with similar rankings from Baseball America’s annual top-100 list. Thanks to some tireless work from Kevin this winter, assigning assumed FV grades to every player ranked on BA’s top 100 from 1994 through 2007 based on that player’s ranking, performance, and the scouting reports available at the time, the model is now able to project value based on a player’s FV grade rather than simply his ordinal rank.
This change most significantly alters the expected values of the guys at the very top of the list, as the previous bins lumped all top-10 prospects together into a single bin, while the FV grade allows for separation between the truly elite, once-every-10-years kind of prospect and guys who are good but not quite as special. For instance, Eric’s grades make it clear that he sees a tangible difference between Moncada and every other prospect in the top 10, and there’s a 10-point difference in FV grade between Moncada and Gleyber Torres or Victor Robles, but all three would have been assigned the same value under the prior “top-10 hitter” tier.
By moving the valuations to the FV scale, we can more reasonably account for real differences between players who may be ranked similarly but still have very different expectations of future value. As the chart of expected value below shows, the historical performances of the very best prospects is quite a bit different than players even just one rung down, which is why teams are so intent on developing high-end prospects. Historically, elite prospects have returned significantly more value than just good prospects, and this model attempts to capture those differences.
| Grade | Hitter | Pitcher |
|---|---|---|
| 75 | $175M | $83M |
| 70 | $107M | $62M |
| 65 | $70M | $62M |
| 60 | $60M | $34M |
| 55 | $38M | $22M |
| 50 | $20M | $14M |
| 45 | $11M | $13M |
As you can see, Kevin didn’t feel that any player in the 1994-2007 sample was considered an elite enough prospect to generate an 80 FV grade, so it’s not in the chart. Alex Rodriguez and Andruw Jones were the hitters who got the closest, both receiving 75 FV grades in Kevin’s estimation, but with a sample size of two, you can put a very large error bar around that $175 million valuation. Prospects that good are so rare that nailing down their actual value is something of an academic pursuit anyway, as it’s almost impossible to see a team possessing that kind of young talent actually trading them anyway.
Once you get down to the lower-tier grades, though, the sample size grows large enough that we can start to see some real trends. As is generally thought to be true, elite hitting prospects are simply more valuable than highly graded arms, as hitters just don’t get hurt at the same rate, and thus, they are far safer investments. You can see the large differences in expected value between hitters and pitchers at the top of the chart, though this lessens as you go down towards the lower grades; the fact that “low upside” pitchers can seemingly develop into frontline starters more easily than “low upside” hitters can turn into superstars reduces the gap between them when it comes to good-not-great prospects.
Interestingly, you’ll note that the expected value for pitchers with 65 and 70 FV grades are identical. Pitchers that graded out as an assumed 70 FV — based on their ranking, performance, and scouting reports at the time — actually performed worse than 65 FV pitchers, but like with the 75 hitters, the sample size was too limited to draw firm conclusions, so we’ve simply merged the 65/70 FV pitchers into one larger tier to mitigate the sample-size issue. Based on the historical data, it appears to be easier to identify real differences in elite hitters than elite pitchers, or perhaps the attrition rate of pitchers is so high that the marginal difference in aiming for a better pitching prospect isn’t as large as it is with a lower-risk hitter.
Now, it’s important to note that models like this are built on a tremendous number of assumptions, many of which can be reasonably debated. Kevin had to put a lot of work into translating BA’s historical information into an assumed FV grade, but in the end, it was still a subjective evaluation. To translate the performance of players in those FV groups into a valuation model requires assumptions about the market price for a win, the discount rate used to account for the long-term nature of a prospect’s return, and the expected cost of a player during his arbitration years. The model includes all of these variables, but nailing down those numbers is far from an exact science, and the results from the model should absolutely be thought of as estimates with some significant variance.
I would not advise anyone to look at these valuations as the definitive final number of a prospect’s worth. But we do think looking at the historical performances of similarly graded prospects (as best as we can infer, anyway) helps to provide some context for the differences in expected value between types of prospects, and this data emphasizes just how valuable the very best prospects in baseball really are.
Below, we’ve taken Eric’s top 100 and merged the FV grades he gave each player on the list with the valuations from Kevin and Steve’s model, and are presenting them with their rankings, grades, and valuations in one table. When the team reports are done, we’ll also use this model to look at organizational valuations; because non-top-100 prospects are worth enough to change the calculus, I wouldn’t suggest doing an organizational ranking just based on the names below, especially since a large number of players omitted from the list will have received the same FV grade as players ranked Nos. 73-100. We’ll be integrating these values into the prospect data on the site, as well, and are thrilled to be able to feature Kevin and Steve’s work here on FanGraphs going forward.
So, with all those words out of the way, here is how the prospect valuation model sees the expected future value of the players Eric ranked in his top 100.
| Rank | Name | Team | Position | Age | FV | Value |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Yoan Moncada | CWS | INF | 21 | 70 | $107M |
| 2 | Andrew Benintendi | BOS | OF | 22 | 65 | $70M |
| 3 | Amed Rosario | NYM | SS | 21 | 65 | $70M |
| 4 | Dansby Swanson | ATL | SS | 23 | 65 | $70M |
| 5 | Austin Meadows | PIT | OF | 21 | 65 | $70M |
| 6 | Alex Reyes | StL | RHP | 22 | 65 | $62M |
| 7 | Gleyber Torres | NYY | SS | 20 | 60 | $60M |
| 8 | Victor Robles | WAS | CF | 19 | 60 | $60M |
| 9 | J.P. Crawford | PHI | SS | 22 | 60 | $60M |
| 10 | Anderson Espinoza | SD | RHP | 18 | 60 | $34M |
| 11 | Ozzie Albies | ATL | 2B | 20 | 60 | $60M |
| 12 | Yadier Alvarez | LA | RHP | 20 | 60 | $34M |
| 13 | Cody Bellinger | LA | 1B | 21 | 60 | $60M |
| 14 | Brendan Rodgers | COL | SS | 20 | 60 | $60M |
| 15 | Eloy Jimenez | CHC | OF | 20 | 60 | $60M |
| 16 | Lewis Brinson | MIL | CF | 22 | 60 | $60M |
| 17 | Willy Adames | TB | SS | 21 | 60 | $60M |
| 18 | Francis Martes | HOU | RHP | 21 | 60 | $34M |
| 19 | Lucas Giolito | CWS | RHP | 22 | 60 | $34M |
| 20 | Corey Ray | MIL | OF | 22 | 60 | $60M |
| 21 | Michael Kopech | CWS | RHP | 20 | 55 | $22M |
| 22 | Rafael Devers | BOS | 3B | 20 | 55 | $38M |
| 23 | Manny Margot | SD | CF | 22 | 55 | $38M |
| 24 | Vladimir Guerrero | TOR | 3B | 17 | 55 | $38M |
| 25 | Cal Quantril | SD | RHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| Rank | Name | Team | Position | Age | FV | Value |
| 26 | Tyler Glasnow | PIT | RHP | 23 | 55 | $22M |
| 27 | Mickey Moniak | PHI | OF | 18 | 55 | $38M |
| 28 | Reynaldo Lopez | CWS | RHP | 22 | 55 | $22M |
| 29 | Jason Groome | BOS | LHP | 18 | 55 | $22M |
| 30 | Nick Senzel | CIN | 3B | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 31 | Riley Pint | COL | RHP | 19 | 55 | $22M |
| 32 | Jorge Alfaro | PHI | C | 23 | 55 | $38M |
| 33 | Delvin Perez | StL | SS | 18 | 55 | $38M |
| 34 | Clint Frazier | NYY | OF | 22 | 55 | $38M |
| 35 | Ronald Acuna | ATL | CF | 19 | 55 | $38M |
| 36 | Brent Honeywell | TB | RHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| 37 | Francisco Mejia | CLE | C | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 38 | Kyle Lewis | SEA | OF | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 39 | Robert Gsellman | NYM | RHP | 23 | 55 | $22M |
| 40 | Blake Rutherford | NYY | OF | 19 | 55 | $38M |
| 41 | Kolby Allard | ATL | LHP | 19 | 55 | $22M |
| 42 | Alex Verdugo | LA | CF | 20 | 55 | $38M |
| 43 | James Kaprielian | NYY | RHP | 23 | 55 | $22M |
| 44 | Jose DeLeon | TB | RHP | 24 | 55 | $22M |
| 45 | Brad Zimmer | CLE | CF | 23 | 55 | $38M |
| 46 | Mitch Keller | PIT | RHP | 20 | 55 | $22M |
| 47 | Jeff Hoffman | COL | RHP | 23 | 55 | $22M |
| 48 | Kevin Maitan | ATL | 3B | 17 | 55 | $38M |
| 49 | Leodys Taveras | TEX | CF | 18 | 55 | $38M |
| 50 | Josh Bell | PIT | 1B | 24 | 55 | $38M |
| Rank | Name | Team | Position | Age | FV | Value |
| 51 | Ian Happ | CHC | 2B | 22 | 55 | $38M |
| 52 | German Marquez | COL | RHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| 53 | Sandy Alcantara | StL | RHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| 54 | Ian Anderson | ATL | RHP | 18 | 55 | $22M |
| 55 | Triston McKenzie | CLE | RHP | 19 | 55 | $22M |
| 56 | Matt Manning | DET | RHP | 18 | 55 | $22M |
| 57 | Luis Ortiz | MIL | RHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| 58 | Isan Diaz | MIL | 2B | 20 | 55 | $38M |
| 59 | Josh Hader | MIL | LHP | 22 | 55 | $22M |
| 60 | Braxton Garrett | MIA | LHP | 19 | 55 | $22M |
| 61 | Aaron Judge | NYY | RF | 24 | 55 | $38M |
| 62 | Max Fried | ATL | LHP | 23 | 55 | $22M |
| 63 | Kyle Tucker | HOU | OF | 20 | 55 | $38M |
| 64 | Yohander Mendez | TEX | LHP | 22 | 55 | $22M |
| 65 | Amir Garrett | CIN | LHP | 24 | 55 | $22M |
| 66 | Nick Gordon | MIN | SS | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 67 | Franklin Barreto | OAK | SS | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 68 | A.J. Puk | OAK | LHP | 21 | 55 | $22M |
| 69 | Christian Arroyo | SF | 3B | 21 | 55 | $38M |
| 70 | Luiz Gohara | ATL | LHP | 20 | 55 | $22M |
| 71 | Jharel Cotton | OAK | RHP | 25 | 55 | $22M |
| 72 | Matt Strahm | KC | LHP | 25 | 55 | $22M |
| 73 | Dom Smith | NYM | 1B | 21 | 50 | $20M |
| 74 | Walker Buehler | LA | RHP | 22 | 50 | $14M |
| 75 | Hunter Renfroe | SD | OF | 24 | 50 | $20M |
| Rank | Name | Team | Position | Age | FV | Value |
| 76 | Adrian Morejon | SD | LHP | 18 | 50 | $14M |
| 77 | Justin Dunn | NYM | RHP | 21 | 50 | $14M |
| 78 | Fernando Tatis, Jr. | SD | 3B | 17 | 50 | $20M |
| 79 | Anthony Alford | TOR | OF | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 80 | Brandon Woodruff | MIL | RHP | 23 | 50 | $14M |
| 81 | Carson Kelly | StL | C | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 82 | Andres Gimenez | NYM | SS | 18 | 50 | $20M |
| 83 | Kevin Newman | PIT | SS | 23 | 50 | $20M |
| 84 | Lucas Erceg | MIL | 3B | 21 | 50 | $20M |
| 85 | Chance Sisco | BAL | C | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 86 | Tyler Beede | SF | RHP | 23 | 50 | $14M |
| 87 | Dustin Fowler | NYY | CF | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 88 | Anthony Banda | ARI | LHP | 23 | 50 | $14M |
| 89 | Willie Calhoun | LA | 2B | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 90 | Raimel Tapia | COL | CF | 22 | 50 | $20M |
| 91 | Jorge Mateo | NYY | SS | 21 | 50 | $20M |
| 92 | Jahmai Jones | LAA | CF | 19 | 50 | $20M |
| 93 | Mike Soroka | ATL | RHP | 19 | 50 | $14M |
| 94 | Zack Collins | CWS | C | 21 | 50 | $20M |
| 95 | Juan Soto | WAS | OF | 18 | 50 | $20M |
| 96 | Sean Reid-Foley | TOR | RHP | 21 | 50 | $14M |
| 97 | Justus Sheffield | NYY | LHP | 20 | 50 | $14M |
| 98 | Carson Fulmer | CWS | RHP | 22 | 50 | $14M |
| 99 | Ke’Bryan Hayes | PIT | 3B | 19 | 50 | $20M |
| 100 | Jesse Winker | CIN | OF | 23 | 50 | $20M |
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Does age have no effect on Value? Is a 25 year old Jharel Cotton expected to put up equal value before free agency to someone who may debut at 22?
Wouldn’t these figures be more accurate if they compiled FV rankings from other sites? For instance most sites see Moncada as a 60 FV prospect. The difference between a 60 and 70 is massive.
I too thought we’d see some kind of compilation across sites.
Maybe a distribution like we say for KATOH.
This is fair.
Interesting analysis. The critical missing variable here would seem to be risk. BA has a scale ranging from Low to Extreme that could be applied here. Applying risk would discount the expected outcomes and substantially improve the relevance of the resulting FV output.
The risk is clearly factored into the FV ratings.
Look at Maitan vs. Devers.
Risk is clearly not factored into the FV ratings, otherwise Moncada would not be a 70.
The link to Vladimir Guerrero Jr connects to Vladimir Guerrero Sr’s page.
That’s okay. He’s going to be exactly as good. 😉
I just want to say thanks. I feel like stuff like this really pushes the bounds of public knowledge and it takes a lot of work (and risk) putting it out there to be used, evaluated, and critiqued. I’m sure it’s not easy, so thanks for doing it.
Co-sign. I love this effort with a fierce love.
Makes prospect valuation and trade evaluation accessible to the layman. Hugely valuable – thank you.
So, using these values how does the Sale trade shake out? I know someone can do the math quick and I’m lazy 😉
The consensus seems to be Moncada is something like a 60/65 FV prospect. Using those figures the trade looks pretty fair, maybe slightly favoring the redsox of you value Moncada as a 60 FV prospect like MLB does. That would value rah package the white got at roughly 90mil.
Eric is the only evaluator that slabbed a 70 FV on Moncada, which I think goes against the consensus and too bullish. But if you agree with Eric then this is a win for the WS as the package would then be values as about 130mil
Sale’s Surplus Value was calculated by Jeff to be 84 million. Even deducting Moncado’s value 47 million, I get CWS getting 95 million in surplus value. Using public numbers, it looks like CWS won deal regardless of whether Mocado is a 60, 65, or 70 prospect. That said, I don’t think Red Sox care about efficiency if they win WS, and they likely didn’t have a more efficient option to generate 2017 WAR from Moncado.
I think Yoan Moncada creates an interesting opportunity for the idea of valuation.
Are we saying that Yoan Moncada gained roughly $70M in value from doing what we expected him to do in the minors for a bit over a year?
To me it seems like there doesn’t seem to be a huge difference from Moncada from the minute he signed to now in terms of what the talent appears to be. Sure Moncada dominated the minor leagues, but is the difference “proven in AA” compared to “proven in Cuba” really worth $70M?
Keep in mind that the offers teams were making to Moncada were with the understanding that they had to pay a 100% tax on the price, so the signing price wasn’t his $31.5 million bonus, but the $63 million cost that the Red Sox actually paid; he only received half of his market value personally, but the market price includes the tax.
In terms of valuation growth, even if he just performed like you expected, he’d still have increased in value because the timeline for his major league production is now much closer. Teams pay more for near-term wins than long-term wins, and Moncada’s returns are now closer to reality than they were when he signed.
So, yes, I think it’s pretty reasonable to say that he’s gained something like $40 million in value by performing well in the minors for two years and getting to the point where he’s knocking on the door to the big leagues.
The thing is, Moncada wasn’t really “proven” in Cuba at all. Promising, yes. But yet unproven.
Sure, he saw significant playing time at 17 and 18. The results however were far from dazzling, as he hit .273-.283 and slugged roughly .350-.410. It makes perfect sense that Yoan’s value has enjoyed a big bump.
It’s amazing to think how different prospects can be valued. If Moncada is a 70 FV prospect and Devers 55 this chart shows there is a massive e difference in their value.
On the other hand, ESPN grades Devers over Moncada so they value Devers more.
Just kind of shows that prospect rankings pretty subjective and are in no way an exact science. Trying to apply dollar values to prospects is incredibly hard as it is largely preference. Benintendi grades above YM on most lists, but here YM is a good +30million more valuable.
This is great work. Thanks for publishing. I feel like the next step is to incorporate the dollar impact of proximity to MLB. We can all agree that a prospect who’s ETA to MLB is 3yrs away is less valuable than someone expected to debut in less than 1yr. What is the best way to do this? A simple TVM calc where you would take estimated value of a prospect and deduct ~10% for each year out until his estimated debut?
Is Alex Reyes’s value pre or post TJS news?
Could any of you be convinced to take Benetendi or Swanson over Moncada based on the limited major league sample?
Yes to both. In a heartbeat.
This is really cool and I think that the value of the first graph is really the money one here. You can’t really know what the true FV of a player is, and a small disagreement between to evaluations makes a huge difference. One thing I would worry about when giving our historical FV to guys who you’ve obviously already seen how they turn out is the unintentional bias there that could lead to higher or lower scores depending on the eventual outcomes. There’s not reason of pride or anything to do this, but humans are humans. I hope they tried to come up with some objective rules to mitigate against this.
Excellent point.
These days, if a 20-year-old posted a .950+ OPS in full season ball (with an isolated slugging of .240) while striking out less than 9% of the time and also being selected by his league managers as the best overall defensive infielder the and the best infield arm in the entire league, we’d know enough to give him a 65 or 70 grade, if not 75.
But Baseball America effectively gave him a 55 (ranking him in the 40-50 range), and that sort of oddity distorts the valuations by a bit.
Oops. Forgot to mention I was describing Albert Pujols.
If there hasn’t been an 80 in the past generation, I’m not sure I understand why it exists.
IE, while I can’t immediately find contemporaneous scouting reports on ARod, it’s my recollection that he was considered among the ultra-elite, above even a typical 1.1 and comped to guys like Strawberry and Griffey Jr. as among the very few with the chance to be a major league contributor as a teenager.
If that’s not an 80, what is? And Roy Hobbs doesn’t count.
What was Harper?
Harper never even made it to #1 on Fangraphs’ top prospect rankings. Trout was #1 over him on the 2011 list and Matt Moore was #1 over him on the 2012 list.
Found some. Maybe these were the outliers, but if the second report isn’t an 80, then nothing is:
Report 1: Juan Gonzalez type body w/o as broad of shoulders … Can field, throw, hit, hit for power, and steal an occ base. Pluses across the board. Outstanding kid who loves to play and is handling all of the attention w/ no problem. Outstanding! Dominate player! … Should be a franchise player and play in many all-star games.
Report 2: Better at 17 now than all the superstars in baseball were when they were seniors in HS.
I actually don’t think the second report is quite as positive as the first. A guy can be better at the amateur level than superstars and still not have an All-Star outlook; for example, maybe his swing suggests he could be exploited by quality breaking stuff, but he’s not facing any of it.
So is there any actual data to support your claim that “Historically, elite prospects have returned significantly more value than just good prospects”? Or is that how you came up with the estimated prospect values contained in the first table?
Here’s a link to Victor Wang’s seminal work in the SABR newsletter of summer, 2007.
Wang followed up with quite a bit more detail over the next few years, at Hardball Times in particular.
http://www.philbirnbaum.com/btn2007-08.pdf