Walker Buehler May Be Key to What Comes Next for Dodgers
The Dodgers made a big trade with the Braves over the weekend, and Jeff Sullivan did a great job of illustrating how, for Los Angeles, it mostly represented a trade of debt this season for debt next season. The deal allows the club to avoid the tax threshold for a year, resetting their penalty and allowing them (if they choose) to cross back over the threshold next year at less cost.
There’s certainly a reason they’d make that choice: next year’s offseason features a number of top free agents, Manny Machado and Bryce Harper chief among them. But we’re not done yet with the current offseason yet, and it’s an offseason following a World Series appearance for the Dodgers. What’s left for them to do? And what does Walker Buehler’s curveball have to do with it?
Just to be clear: it’s not just idle speculation by Sullivan that avoiding the tax was the object of the weekend’s trade. Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman said as much to Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register on Saturday.
“It’s been a focal point for us this winter. We’ve had numerous conversations related to it,” Friedman said Saturday.
“Obviously one of the main considerations in this deal were economic. But they’re part of the bigger picture, the longer-term plan, and it’s a necessary strategic part of moves yet to come. Whether that’s this offseason, in July or next year, this move allows for increased flexibility going forward.”
The long-term implications are important. They won’t want to go over the cap if they just made a huge trade to get under it. But that leaves questions regarding the short-term implications. How far under the cap did the Dodgers get? And what does that mean for this offseason?
Eric Stephen over at True Blue LA took a comprehensive look at the situation, pointing out that, if you use the best available arbitration projections, remove costs that don’t contribute to luxury-tax numbers (like the major-league money due to Erisbel Arruebarrena and Yaisel Sierra), and use the correct average annual value numbers, etc., you see that the Dodgers are currently around $171 million for their tax number.
If correct, this figure suggests that, absent further cost-cutting moves, the Dodgers still have around $27 million to spend before they hit the $19y million luxury-tax number again.
But that might be too simplistic. It’s possible that the club will want to preserve some kind of buffer so that they can take on a midseason contract and fill a need heading into the playoffs. Last year, the Dodgers accepted nearly $4 million of Yu Darvish’s salary, for example, and Stephen estimates their total number at $7.2 million. Between the “let’s make sure we’re under” and the “let’s leave enough to add a player at the deadline” and the pending details of the Tom Koehler contract, and you may say that the Dodgers still have $15-20 million to spend.
They’ve been linked to outfielders like Lorenzo Cain and Andrew McCutchen, both of whom would take up most of that money. But it’s also important to note that two big position-player headliners of next year’s free-agency class — both Harper and Charlie Blackmon — play the outfield.
You might also notice that the most notable free agents departing Los Angeles this past offseason were pitchers. Yu Darvish, Brandon Morrow, and Tony Watson were all useful for a team that had the third-best pitching staff this past season. It might make a lot of sense for them to buy a reliever or two — and maybe a veteran starting pitcher to give them back some of the depth they lost when they traded away Scott Kazmir and Brandon McCarthy.
You might notice that the budget is probably not big enough to pursue a second ace, or even to bring back Darvish. The median crowdsource figure for Darvish has him at $25 million a year, and Jake Arrieta at $22 million.
In an offseason that looks like it might only produce a few smaller signings for the Dodgers, designed mostly to beef up the bullpen and make a modest addition to the rotation or outfield, it’s fair to look at the rotation behind Clayton Kershaw and wonder who merits the No. 2 slot. Rich Hill is obviously capable of fulling that role when healthy, but his injury history suggests that a backup plan should be present. The same is true of Alex Wood, especially following his late-season fade in 2017.
The Dodgers don’t necessarily need to make a trade for a high-upside starter with wipeout stuff, though. In fact, they already possess a pitcher who matches that description, one who displayed the best curveball (by velocity and movement) in the second half of this past season. He’s seventh on their current depth chart.
| Player | Curves | Drop off Fastball | Velocity | Whiff% | GB% | Combo Z Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Walker Buehler | 45 | -17.9 | 83.6 | 6.7% | 100.0% | 2.9 |
| Craig Kimbrel | 239 | -13.7 | 87.6 | 18.0% | 83.3% | 2.7 |
| Alex Cobb | 438 | -19.4 | 81.3 | 8.7% | 87.0% | 2.7 |
| Corey Knebel | 222 | -19.3 | 81.0 | 10.4% | 80.0% | 2.6 |
| Ryan Garton | 24 | -18.6 | 80.9 | 8.3% | 100.0% | 2.3 |
| Cody Allen | 329 | -15.4 | 84.3 | 21.9% | 44.8% | 2.3 |
| Joe Kelly | 108 | -14.7 | 85.0 | 13.0% | 44.4% | 2.2 |
| Drew Pomeranz | 718 | -19.1 | 79.9 | 10.5% | 90.1% | 2.2 |
| Ryan Madson | 91 | -15.6 | 83.5 | 14.3% | 100.0% | 2.1 |
| Matt Barnes | 237 | -17.8 | 81.1 | 14.8% | 69.7% | 2.1 |
| Ross Stripling | 188 | -17.8 | 80.9 | 15.4% | 70.6% | 2.0 |
| Wade Davis | 121 | -15.3 | 83.5 | 14.1% | 70.0% | 2.0 |
| Garrett Richards | 31 | -19.0 | 79.4 | 12.9% | 100.0% | 2.0 |
| Lucas Giolito | 104 | -19.9 | 78.4 | 2.9% | 93.3% | 2.0 |
| Brandon Workman | 163 | -17.3 | 81.2 | 9.8% | 62.5% | 2.0 |
| Daniel Coulombe | 235 | -16.8 | 81.2 | 8.1% | 92.7% | 1.8 |
| Justin Grimm | 171 | -16.2 | 81.9 | 19.9% | 57.9% | 1.8 |
| Dovydas Neverauskas | 107 | -14.3 | 83.8 | 18.7% | 66.7% | 1.8 |
| David Robertson | 284 | -15.1 | 82.9 | 23.6% | 84.2% | 1.8 |
| Tommy Hunter | 136 | -12.8 | 85.2 | 12.5% | 36.4% | 1.7 |
Combo Z Score = z-scores for drop and velo added together.
Buehler obviously had a difficult debut, recording an ERA over seven and the home-run rate to support it. Also, his curveball didn’t even get a ton of whiffs. But it should.
Research suggests that curveball velo is great for whiffs and that drop off the fastball is great for grounders. Those two traits, when paired together, make for great curveballs. Spin is included on the table above, though it’s exhibited no significant relationship with whiff rate in my research. It does show a small relationship to grounders — and we do know that some front offices (including the Dodgers) — have selected for curveball spin.
Buehler is in the top 10% when it comes to drop. His riding fastball and huge curveball are a great combo in that the ride on the former improves the perceived drop on the latter. He’s in the top 10% when it comes to curve velocity; even if he loses a tick when he steps into the rotation, it’ll be a strength. He’s in the top 20% in spin and, maybe in a related matter, every single curve that was put in play was a grounder.
With a big fastball, a good spin combination on his fastball and curve, and a high-velocity cutter/slider with slider-like drop, Buehler has the tools he needs to be an exciting young pitcher. In many ways, he looks like a young (plus fastball) Alex Cobb, who rode a high-spin fastball and curveball combo to good success last season in a difficult league and division. That’s interesting because Cobb is the best pitcher that the Dodgers can afford without going over the luxury tax — FanGraphs readers put the former Ray into a contract that would average $14 million a year, at least.
Maybe the Dodgers already have Alex Cobb, though. Maybe the newly budget-conscious National League champs look to the seventh starting pitcher on their own depth chart for cheap upside and spend their remaining budget elsewhere.
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Buehler had a great year in his return from TJS and was fantastic until his late promotion to AAA and MLB. I look forward to the Dodgers prospect list to see if Eric thinks his performance drop off was fatigue related after not pitching in 2016 or if it was indicative of a need for further command improvement. In his brief MLB stint he got hammered because he was consistently behind in the count.
If it was just fatigue he is probably ready to contribute to the MLB squad next year. If the command needs work he may not yet be there.
Yeah I saw the same thing. Amazing stuff but always behind in the count. The stuff you can’t teach is there. Very excited for what 2018 has in store for him.
I saw him pitch. He did not look tired. It simply looked like the first time in his life that the hitters were not over-matched. He looked good but his execution wasn’t great – he didn’t get any luck either. You need one of the two to succeed.
Buehler is the top prospect, but if he isn’t yet ready both Stripling and Stewart have demonstrated they can operate as serviceable depth. The Dodgers need to keep the door open for Buehler if he is ready, though, so I agree that they should avoid a SP signing.
They’re probably going to ride with Kershaw, Hill, Wood, Maeda, Ryu, Stripling, Steward, Buehler, and Oaks. That’s plenty good for the regular season. They may want to upgrade the playoff rotation though.
I doubt that the Dodgers are going to go in on Alex Cobb given the value they’ve extracted from 2nd (and later) round draft picks. Signing him or Darvish would also put them over the tax line if they can’t ditch Kemp’s salary (which would also require giving away talent). And while it’s not crazy to think that they’ll go all in to trade for deGrom/Archer/others, something tells me the Dodgers are going to wait and see how their guys are doing.
I think that the Dodgers will baby Buehler next year. I also don’t think that staff is necessarily enough – every one of those guys was hurt last year or looks like a AAAA starter. If they are all healthy or a guy is pitching over his head, then it works, but an injury or some ineffectiveness would hurt a lot. They are a team that could use an innings eater.
To paraphrase Sherlock and Moriarty:
You: Pitchers got hurt.
Me: That’s what pitchers DO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pno-QZRmmyk
Haha yeah if they make the playoffs…giants dbacks Rockies pads are getting better while the Dodgers blew their load last 2 seasons. What does the current friggin outfeild project to lol
Oh, you mean Puig,Taylor and Toles (likely)? Pretty darned good. And the Giants are getting better??? LOL, how exactly? Okay, maybe they finish 32 games out this year. Nobody in the NL West has done anything of note and that puts them substantially behind the Dodgers roster as it is.
About 8.5 fWAR. #6 in LF, #17 in CF, and #4 in RF. Actually, for position players they project to be #3, for pitchers they project to #1.
I actually think the question about “if they make the playoffs” is valid since absolutely no one is guaranteed before the year even starts. But the logic you used to get there is seriously wack.
Logic?? Sure its logical to assume Taylor Puig will repeat their great seasons…not. wherever you got your numbers from is wack…lol someone tell me what toles/pederson have done besides prove to be platoon outfeilders. Outfeild/starting pitching need serious $$$ before they start thinking playoffs
I got the numbers from Fangraphs…you know, the site where we are ostensibly reading the articles and commenting on them.
Take it up with them.
Even “ostensibly” is putting it too kindly at this point.
Pro-Preller is an anti-Dodger troll who doesn’t even try very hard.
The correct estimated payroll figure for the 2018 Dodgers is $179.3 million (Cot’s Contract: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12Fdcz-v1dHv7WUA6N73JhLNL7cZ-JCaUSRyh8LQvG7A/pubhtml#).
The 2018 luxury tax threshold is $197 million, not $198 million.
So the Dodgers actually have less than $18 million before they hit the tax threshold, and they will want to keep at least a few million for in-season transactions.
I’ll fix the tax threshold, but I believe Stephen’s number more than Cots. They always overshoot on arb projections, and MLBTRs projections are better.
Cot’s also includes Arruebarrena and Sierra which as the article states should not be included in the luxury tax number.
Apologies, I looked at the incorrect tab. Those guys are not included.
I think the key difference is that Cot’s adds in an estimated cost of filling out the rest of the rosters and Eric’s $171m number does not include that. Although he does mention it in his article putting his estimate at $175m after those costs are added in.
Cots estimates those costs at a combined $7.65 million, while that only adds $4 million.
Stephen only listed 18 players. He did not include any money for 0-3 year players getting paid at or near the minimum. Cot’s includes $5.4 million for these players. And $2.25 million for minor league players on the 40-man roster.
The difference in the arb projections is $4.6 million. I agree that MLBTR projections are better.
The true amount is likely somewhere in between the $171 million figure you cite and the $182.3 million figure Cot’s currently has and
I posed this question to Eno on Twitter not 10 minutes before this article came out, but wanted to crowd source some opinions here. Do the Phils and Dodgers make sense as trade partners for something like Cesar Hernandez to the Dodgers for Kemp, Forsythe, and one of the Dodgers top prospects. My guess is the Dodgers would balk at Buehler and Verdugo, but perhaps Yadier Alvarez or Mitchell White plus some lower level pieces.
As Eno points out, such a move would free up significant additional salary for this year and make this offseason, and next, much more interesting for the Dodgers.
Any thoughts?
I like the idea of re-visiting a trade with Minnesota for Dozier. What about Forsythe, White, and another lower-rated prospect for him? Exact same salaries for both on 1-year deals, while Twins add 6 years of a cost-controlled young starter and Dodgers upgrade significantly at 2B without adding any money.
I don’t think the Twins are trying to downgrade at the MLB level in 2018.
Kershaw, Hill, Wood, Maeda and Buehler, with Stewart, Ryu, Stripling, Oaks, Santana and (dare I say it) Urias all on the 40-man for 10-day DL depth. That should be plenty to win the NL West, and then add the 2018 version of Darvish in July. If they can squeeze in Addison Reed, that would be fabulous.
I figured it was a typo when the article first posted – but I haven’t seen it changed yet – so does that mean Garrett Richards spin rate really is 3889? Thats double the next highest rate. I assumed it probably should’ve read as 1889. I guess not…?
I don’t know what’s going on with those spin rates, honestly. Garret Richards is number one in curve spin rate on savant, but the numbers are different https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=CU%7C&hfAB=&hfBBT=&hfPR=&hfZ=&stadium=&hfBBL=&hfNewZones=&hfGT=R%7C&hfC=&hfSea=2017%7C&hfSit=&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&opponent=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&hfSA=&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfFlag=&metric_1=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=name&sort_col=spin_rate&player_event_sort=h_launch_speed&sort_order=desc&min_abs=0#results, and I got those from a different database that comes from the same original source… I didn’t include them specifically in the end because of those disparities.
took spin off the table since I couldn’t reconcile it.
Fan boredom aside — even here it’s surprised me to see people complain that they’re not “winning the offseason” — it’s hard to see why the Dodgers really need to do much more than stand pat at this point. At most what’s called for is tinkering around the edges, adding in a few lower-cost upside gambles and additional depth that won’t hurt anything if no specific player among them pans out. Financial moves aside it seems clearly like a “stay the course” kind of offseason.
You should’ve seen the apoplectic reactions on Twitter when Zaidi said the team didn’t have any big needs.
Ha, maybe I’ll go search them up for entertainment. On the other hand “You should’ve seen the apoplectic reactions on Twitter when” can be followed by pretty much anything.
🙁 we aren’t talking screwball
Oooops a daisies mixing him up with Honeywell
My son is a huge Dodger fan. When that pip-squeak parking lot magnate was selected by the owners for the Dodger franchise I told him exactly who he was and that the owners had deliberately taken him over qualified owners to immunized themselves from that franchise dominating them. Then that same fool and his wife so embarrassed mlb that they finally did not stand in the way of giving Andrew Friedman the tools (an equal playing field) to rule baseball for a generation. There is Friedman and then there is everybody else. The only thing that is going to beat the Dodgers in the coming years is the occasional bad bounce and multiplication of playoff series. I am a Red Sox fan and hater at the same time but this is just reality.