Walker to Memphis: Do I Really Feel the Way I Feel?

Sam Navarro-USA TODAY Sports

I’ve become increasingly convinced that a lot of the subtle roster construction hacks some teams use to get the most out of their prospects — service time manipulation, extremely restrictive pitcher workload management, drafting by bonus demand rather than picking the best player available — are too cute by half. Sometimes it pays off, but in most cases, players are going to be good, or they’re not. They’re going to stay healthy, or they’re not. And fixating on the externalities is ultimately self-defeating.

Consider Jordan Walker. The St. Louis Cardinals, to their immense credit, brought Walker north from spring training last year. The no. 12 global prospect that offseason, Walker was only 20 at the time, and hadn’t had so much as a sniff at Triple-A. But he was athletic for his 6-foot-5 frame, which promised so much power the question was whether scouts could accurately report it before they ran out of pluses.

Did it matter that the Cardinals had an extremely crowded outfield at the time? No. Did it matter that if Walker lived up to his potential, he’d hit free agency at age 26? No. The only thing that mattered was whether he’d sink or swim.

Thirteen months later, Walker is being demoted for the second time since his big league debut. The first demotion, which came almost exactly a year ago, was arguably undeserved. Walker had started his major league career with a 12-game hit streak; even after a 5-for-26 slump that included just two walks and one extra-base hit, the big man was hitting .274/.321/.397.

Nevertheless, seven weeks in Memphis did Walker good; after his return, he hit .277/.346/.455 with 14 home runs in his final 97 games. And he was still hitting the ball hard; 6.0% of Walker’s batted balls went out at 110 mph or more, placing him one spot ahead of anthropomorphic bicep Yandy Díaz on the leaderboard. It wasn’t always pretty, but a 116 wRC+ over 465 PA, with a strikeout rate of 22.4% — you’d take that from a rookie corner outfielder in his age-21 season, wouldn’t you?

This winter, the outfield logjam cleared out a little, with Tyler O’Neill being shipped up to Boston and utilityman Tommy Edman recovering from offseason surgery. Also, Dylan Carlson, the Cardinals’ other talented but frustrating young outfielder, is currently on the IL. (I know — more on that later.)

So how did Walker, after a promising 2023, play his way off the roster in four weeks?

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Well, suffice it to say, hitting .155/.239/.259 as a starting corner outfielder will get just about anyone benched, no matter their prospect pedigree.

When a player like Walker — a big, long hitter with plus raw power but relatively little major league experience — struggles, the logical thing to assume is that he’s not making enough contact. Certainly that was the first thing I thought. But that’s not really it. Compared to last year, Walker is swinging less outside the zone and swinging more in it. He’s making slightly more contact, and insofar as his K% has risen, it’s done so by the equivalent of roughly one strikeout every 10 days.

What about quality of contact? Well, Walker is hitting the ball nearly as hard; his barrel rate is up to almost 12%. If you look at Sports Info Solutions’ soft, medium, and hard contact buckets, Walker is running the exact same Soft% as Mookie Betts, with a better Hard%. And even though there had been previous drama over how many groundballs Walker was hitting, his GB/FB ratio has actually gone down.

That last point, however, is not actually good news. See, Walker was actually hitting more grounders than before, but his GB/FB ratio went down because he’s hitting almost no line drives — just two liners in 67 plate appearances. At the time of Walker’s demotion, 233 players had batted at least 60 times this year; Walker is 232nd in line drive rate. (Poor Parker Meadows, God bless him, is still looking for his first liner of 2024.)

Now, I don’t care if you’re Christian Yelich or Aaron Judge — every hitter needs line drives to survive, no matter if he’s a ground-and-pound guy or an elevate-and-celebrate guy. They’re the best kind of batted ball, and if Walker’s not getting any, it’s no wonder he’s hitting .155. Baseball Savant defines a “Sweet Spot” launch angle as being between eight and 32 degrees. Of his 15 hardest-hit balls this year — starting at 98.7 mph — Walker has gotten into that launch angle range just three times. He’s hit more balls in that velocity band (four) with a launch angle between minus-8 and minus-32.

Walker’s exit velocity numbers have been good (though by no means great — after Monday’s action, he’s 78th out of 279 qualified hitters on Baseball Savant’s EV50 leaderboard). But he’s gotten comically little out of his hard contact. Here are Walker’s numbers on batted balls of at least 90 and 100 mph, and where that production ranked at the time of his demotion:

Jordan Walker Is Getting Zero Buck for His Bang
EV>=90 BA xBA SLG xSLG
Value .261 .379 .435 .706
Rank* 181st 148th 173rd 124th
EV>=100 BA xBA SLG xSLG
Value .364 .500 .727 1.042
Rank** 185th 178th 170th 146th
SOURCE: Baseball Savant
*Minimum 25 batted balls (188 players)
**Minimum 10 batted balls (195 players)

It beggars belief, frankly, the extent to which Walker’s hard contact has been unproductive. And add on that even within that context, he’s been unlucky.

So the Cardinals have a corner outfielder who’s hitting .155 with little power, whose launch angles would look better if he came to the plate hanging upside-down from his ankles. And he hasn’t made much of a case to remain in the majors based on his defense. In his most recent Friday column, Ben Clemens gave Walker props for a full-extension diving catch to rob Jackson Merrill of extra bases. But that catch is a historical outlier.

Last season, Walker posted a WAR total of 1.0, despite that aforementioned 116 wRC+. Which seems awfully low, even for a corner outfielder who didn’t quite qualify for the batting title. Sure enough, he was horrendous defensively; his OAA was -14, placing him dead last among qualified outfielders. It was a real question of whether this 21-year-old with plus sprint speed was a worse defender than Kyle Schwarber last year.

And now feels like a good time to revisit how, exactly, Carlson came to be on the IL. During the last week of spring training, Carlson and Walker converged on a gapper in right-center. Walker dove, either to catch the ball or to avoid his onrushing center fielder, and in the process accidentally went all Darius Kasparaitis on Carlson’s legs. Carlson, tumbling ass-over-tea-kettle, landed badly on his shoulder and is only now preparing to embark on a rehab assignment.

Obviously it’s too early to give up on Walker in the broader sense. All the skills that made him a top-15 global prospect are still there, and he’s still a month shy of turning 22. And as bad as his offensive results have been, there’s a credible argument that he’s suffered a tragic smiting by the BABIP gods.

Nevertheless, this is a textbook case of a player who needs to spend some time in Triple-A, where the wins and losses don’t matter and his failures — rather than being fodder for national baseball columnists — will be between him, his coaches, and the malevolent all-seeing eye that inhabits the Bass Pro Shops pyramid in Memphis. Something has gone seriously wrong, and neither team nor player is served by pretending otherwise.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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Greg in BaltimoreMember since 2019
2 years ago

It’s a solid reference, that Marc Cohn one.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago

Ah, good catch, I thought it was an odd title.

How does one get better at defense? Just more repetitiions and practice?

jasonl
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Yes, but I think for most guys there’s a limit to what that gives, there’s an instinct. Ben laughed at a question I asked about whether Walker might be better served moving to 1B after Goldschmidt is gone; since he came up a 3B he should be able to handle it, a la Albert Pujols, and I’ll stand by that. He’s athletic enough to play OF but sure doesn’t look good doing it

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  jasonl

I don’t understand how that is a laughable suggestion.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Honestly thought last year that they should have traded Goldy to a contender and moved him to first.

Last edited 2 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
Chris Reitsma
2 years ago
Reply to  jasonl

His defense in right has been fine at worst this year

jasonl
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris Reitsma

It’s also been 25 games, and it is currently dead average and trending down as the sample gets bigger

shampain
2 years ago
Reply to  jasonl

I’ve suggested this in other forums and people haven’t been enthusiastic about it anywhere. But I agree. The thinking seems to be that his footwork is bad and it would be a fast of his arm, but neither of those are fully prohibitive IMO.

Famous Mortimer
2 years ago
Reply to  shampain

Are there a lot of 1B guys as tall as him?

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  jasonl

Yet, there’s no guarantee Walker will be able to play 1B, another position he’s never played before. They’ll at least need to try him out there in the Fall Leagues first.

In the meantime, they can’t hamper their early moves next offseason while they wait to see if it pans out. If there’s a good opportunity at the right price to resign Goldschmidt or sign someone like (Christian) Walker or Hoskins early in the offseason, they should take it.

belkiolleMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Goldy looks done. If he doesn’t improve drastically I expect him to retire at the end of the year. Christian Walker would be a good fit but expensive. I’d rather see them move Gorman to first and allow Walker to continue growing in the OF.

tyke
2 years ago

i’m usually pretty much an old man yelling at a cloud about the references the authors make in their article titles, but this one had me smiling!

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  tyke

Was you walking with your feet 10 feet off of Beale?

tbwhite67Member since 2020
2 years ago

If they aren’t going to stick with him(he went 10 days between games with 4 PA’s before being sent down) they might as well send him down. For a team that always seemed to have a midas touch with prospects, even modest ones, the Cardinals sure seem like a hot mess these days.

rlothmanMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  tbwhite67

They’ve had that midas touch with unheralded guys, but a pretty horrendous track record with top prospects. Few if any of their best home-grown players have been hyped as prospects, and the devil magick of Cardinals lore showed up in a steady stream of great production from surprising contributors (Carpenter, Craig, Freeze, Martinez, Rosenthal, DeJong, Pham, Edman, Donovan, Nootbaar, etc.). Meanwhile, the guys who were top draft picks and made the national lists have generally failed to pan out, at least for the Cardinals (Drew, Ankiel, Haren, Rasmus, Miller, Wong, Taveras, Reyes, Carlson, Liberatore). A few of those guys blossomed elsewhere, but generally the reality hasn’t lived up to the hype. Too soon to way whether the current group of Gorman, Walker, Winn, Hence, Scott, etc. might shift this narrative, but its arguable that the Cardinals have not converted any of their most highly anticipated minor leaguers into impact big leaguers in recent memory.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  rlothman

While I think your main point is an interesting one, and definitely good food for thought, I’ve got some quibbles with your examples:

J.D. Drew was very good for the Cardinals, with production comparable to what he did in LA and better than in Boston (admittedly he did have one monster season in ATL). I don’t think he’s a big miss at all.

Rick Ankiel – I mean, he seems to have been developed just fine by the Cardinals, unless you want to blame the org for his Steve Blass syndrome (perhaps you can; not sure it’s fair though).

Oscar Taveras – maybe you want to chalk up his decision to drunkenly speed down a cliffside road in the rain to an organizational failing, but again, doesn’t seem quite fair.

Kolten Wong was the 22nd pick in the 2011 draft and has the 8th highest career WAR of any first rounder (much better than anyone around him in that draft aside from Sonny Gray, who was picked 4 spots ahead of him). Wong is a win for the organization.

Haren was also on track for his age and didn’t do anything noticeably different in his first season with the A’s (3.89 FIP) than he did in his last season with the Cards (4.03 FIP). He just happened to be traded. The trade itself was bad, but that’s not a developmental issue.

So we’re left with Rasmus, Reyes, Carlson, and (even though he was never ranked as highly as those other three) Liberatore. Those are legit imo – very highly touted guys with very meager returns (unless Carlson or Liberatore can turn it around, which is very questionable). So definitely some big misfires in there. However, I would guess that if you looked at other organizations over the course of 25 years, many – maybe even most – have had 3+ highly touted prospects fail to pan out. It’s sorta the nature of the business.

defiancyMember since 2020
2 years ago

I would argue that Rasmus doesn’t really count as a “meager return”. He had 18 WAR in his 9 year career. Like that isn’t HOF by any stretch but it’s a much more productive career than a large majority of major leaguers will ever have.

Last edited 2 years ago by defiancy
Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  defiancy

Nice catch, thanks. Rasmus had a 110 OPS+ and 3.0 WAR/162 games as a very young player for the Cards. His career WAR was MUCH better than anyone near him in the 2005 draft (save for Jacoby Ellsbury, picked 5 slots ahead of him). His last year in the minors he was the #3 overall prospect according to Baseball America. The guys after him were Tommy Hansen, Jason Heyward, Travis Snider, Brett Anderson, and Cameron Maybin. Only Heyward turned out to have a better career. So I take back what I said about meager returns. Rasmus did just fine.

Last edited 2 years ago by Glengarry Glenn Braggs
Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago

And at the risk of beating a dead horse, I’ll say one more thing about the Cards’ top-rated prospects. It seems a little weird to me to effectively penalize the Cards for having a top-rated prospect to begin with. For example – in 2021 Dylan Carlson was the 10th ranked prospect according to Baseball America. But he was the 33rd overall pick – so just getting him into the top 10 speaks well of the Cards’ development system. Not to mention that Carlson has had the 3rd most bWAR of anyone drafted in the first round – a draft whose top 5 picks were Mickey Moniak, Nick Senzel, Ian Anderson, and Riley Pint (and it doesn’t get any better after that). So the Cards have actually been punching over their weight with Carlson.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago

I’m pretty sure Kolten Wong does NOT have the 8th highest career WAR of any first rounder.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

8th highest career WAR for any of the 2011 first-round picks. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

mordecaiconstantMember since 2024
2 years ago

Cubs fan here, agree with all those counterpoints about the Cardinals developing their upper end talent. From the outside looking in I don’t see a long-standing problem.

Regarding Ankiel’s yips – I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone say this, but my real-time observation was in the press conference before game one of the playoffs (where Ankiel fell apart) LaRussa waited until after Ankiel answered all his questions and left for the day. After Ankiel was off the property LaRussa announced he was the Game 1 starter. It felt like a bombshell the way it was reported, and I remember thinking “that’s a lot of pressure to put on that kid”. I know LaRussa was trying to avoid putting Ankiel in the middle of a circus but it felt, in the moment, like the opposite happened. I – and again I’m a Cubs fan – really was in awe of Ankiel, and was worried about what that would do to his head going into his start.

I don’t know what happened to his head-arm connection but it broke in that first inning.

Did he exhibit any kind of yips at the end of that season, or was it as totally out of the blue as it seemed? I am not asserting LaRussa’s stunt definitively contributed to breaking Ankiel but it’s always been my working assumption there is a relation there.

I was happy for Ankiel he made it as an outfielder. Easy kid to cheer for, he deserves all the credit in the world as an athlete and for his perseverance/fortitude for coming back in that capacity.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago

Thanks, mordecaiconstant. Quite possible TLR shares some blame by putting Ankiel in a bad position, but it’s hard to say exactly how foreseeable Ankiel’s issues were. He was definitely a bit erratic as a 20 year old – 4.6 BB/9, 12 wild pitches in 175 IP. And as I recall he had some problems on comebackers – that is, when he got the ball and had a moment to think, he would often throw wildly to first. Sometimes he was bailed out by his 1Bman, but he still ended up with 7 errors against only 14 assists that year. So there were a few warning signs with him, but it was still shocking when the bottom fell out.

mordecaiconstantMember since 2024
2 years ago

Interesting that he had some issues going to first – that takes a little edge off my “LaRussa broke him” theory.

Again as a Cubs fan – always respected LaRussa. Whether with the A’s or Cardinals or White Sox he always came across as a winning manager that said team was lucky to have. Granted he got pretty dinosaur-y with the Sox, and he had some warts.

All that to say I never came to my theory because of a dislike of those two. Just seemed like maybe the 20 year old kid didn’t need the pressure of a game one start thrown on him, even if he was an ace that deserved it. I am no elite athletic competitor but remember thinking – myself being 21 at the time – that’s a heavy burden for a kid to carry.

shampain
2 years ago
Reply to  rlothman

Success: promoting mature players with at least one polished carrying skill (defense, speed, OBP, contact rate) at like age 24-25. E.g., Freese, Craig, Carpenter, Pham, Edman, Bader, Wong, DeJong, Donovan, Nootbaar. Get their prime years, then trade them or let them go in free agency for the decline years.

Failure: rushing 20-21 year olds through the low levels, skipping AAA entirely, into the fire at MLB while skillset is still very raw. E.g., Carlson, Gorman, Walker, Winn, Pallante, Hicks, Scott II. Don’t get their prime years, lose them in FA while they’re still peaking and/or they unlock a new skill with another org. And/or they get sent down with stalled-out development that needs to essentially be reset at an older age.

There’s a pretty clear pattern here.

I get that Baumann loves the early promotions for “eat the owners” reasons, but it has damaged the health of the Cardinals organization pretty severely since 2020. Which will likely lead to a rebuild. Which will likely lead to a lot less money being spent on payroll for a few years. Which will make Baumann hate the owners even more.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  shampain

This is a mix of cherry picking and stretching to make a point. The Braves are as aggressive as any team with their prospects and they’re….doing pretty good I’d say.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Yeah, I think that most of the Cardinals problems are questions of evaluation. Are they picking the right guys to keep and to trade? Are they picking the right guys to rush up versus stash for future development? It really doesn’t look like it right now, and it hasn’t for a few years. That Ozuna trade (part of the dominos of Taveras’ death imo) really hurt them big time.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I’d say the Braves are a bit better at drafting and developing, wouldn’t you?

belkiolleMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Most of the Braves success is still built on guys drafted while they were tanking or had huge international pools (and a scandal). The Cardinals have routinely been drafting in the 20s for years now where it is harder to get stars.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  shampain

Well, it’s worked for Gorman and Winn so far (the latter of whom spent over 4 months in AAA), Pallante was very good his rookie year (and is now back in AAA like Walker is), and injuries forced their hand with Scott has who has likewise been sent back down.

It’s not really an organizational issue

Original Greaser Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Well, it’s worked for Gorman and Winn so far (the latter of whom spent over 4 months in AAA), 

I think it’s a bit early to start counting those chickens with 0 (Winn) and 7 barrels in 55 ABs each, and -2 OAA (Winn) and 0 OAA (Gorman).

Lanidrac
2 years ago

You’re cherry-picking stats here, and with small sample sizes to boot, while ignoring Gorman’s excellent year last year.

Winn has great in everything but power so far this year. He doesn’t need homers when he’s already running a 117 wRC+ without them with excellent speed and good defense (despite what OAA erroneously claims in its small sample size).

Meanwhile, Gorman’s bat is finally coming around while he’s still playing average defense, so he’s still a success story.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  rlothman

You’re right to some degree, but Wong DID pan out, Drew panned out pretty well (and brought back a huge return in trade), Ankiel eventually panned out in a different way, Haren panned out for the A’s after one of Jocketty’s worst trades, Alex Reyes (not Anthony) would’ve panned out had he not kept getting injured, you can’t count Taveras either way, and the jury is still out on Carlson. You also forgot Carlos Martinez, who panned out for a while until he wound up with several injuries.

rlothmanMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

You and Glengarry above are both right and make good points! Poor choice of words on my part to say some of these guys didn’t “pan out.” Of course, Drew was great, even if the general fanbase never seemed to realize it. And Wong was solid (if unspectacular, but still a success story in the relative scheme of things — although I’m not ready to declare him an “impact” player, but YMMV on that term). And Rasmus and others were good players, even if they never produced a ton of value for the Cardinals, for one reason or another. What I was really thinking about, but didn’t express well, was how the Cardinals haven’t captured much value from the guys in this top prospect tier, even if they were good during their time with the Cards or ended up being good elsewhere.

In terms of the narrative, I was thinking more of the gap in hype minus public perception of performance, which of course is unfair in some of these cases (Drew, most notably). But yeah, I was a bit hasty in listing examples and should have thought it through a bit more. I also wasn’t intending to make a claim that the Cardinals organization, much less their player development function specifically, is necessarily at fault. There is a lot of bad luck here, and plenty the org couldn’t control (drunk driving, the yips, Rasmus’ dad, probably even Reyes’ injury history, etc.), although I think it’s arguable that their evaluation has been off on several of these guys (Haren, especially).

There’s probably not a systematic issue at the heart of these misses, but the long arc of (relative) disappointments definitely foments the negative narrative, fair or not. If the org is at fault in some way that is significant, I suspect it is a combination of subtle factors in a variety of areas: evaluation, decision-making, roster construction, organizational philosophy, even just basic patience or responsiveness to perceived fan sentiments. But of course these sorts of things are essentially impossible for us to measure.

burchardta
2 years ago

If a month worshipping at the foot of the Bass Pro Pyramid doesn’t do him good, what hope is there for any of us? Great article Michael.

synco
2 years ago

Having an LD% that low, with such an even split between his GB% and FB%, is a bit odd. He isn’t habitually swinging over the ball, and he isn’t habitually swinging under it. His launch angle hasn’t gone crazy in one direction – last year it was 10.2, this year it’s 12.8. And his EV and Barrels are both up.

It’s an odd mix, and to some degree just feels like bad luck in a limited sample of 42 batted balls. And/or he’s just completely messed up, can’t square anything, and is missing in each direction with such equal fervor that it all evens out.

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

I think he might be stuck “in between” pitches. His wFB runs is already at -4.1. That tells me his isn’t looking fastball first. He needs time at AAA to get centered.

shampain
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

It’s not that odd when you watch him. He pops up elevated fastballs and pounds sliders into the ground. More and more pitchers pitch this way, and he hasn’t figured them out yet.

willl
2 years ago

I’m fascinated by the trend around 2018-2019, where there was seemingly no gap between AAA and the majors for all the top prospects. Soto, Acuna, Tatis, and even Ohtani (though he’s a slightly different situation) were instant All Stars. There was no learning/adjustment period. And almost as quickly as this period began, it stopped.

Not just Walker. But Jackson Holliday and Wyatt Langford are having pretty poor starts to their big league careers. Rutschman, Julio Rodriguez and Bobby Witt all also had very slow starts, before adjusting and finding their stride about half way through their first season.

Was is the juiced ball of 2019? Is it just a coincidence that 3-4 generational talents happened to debut at the same time? Was there some other factor?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  willl

I do think that the introduction of the auto-zone has essentially ruined AAA’s use-case as a finishing school for prospects.

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  willl

 Is it just a coincidence that 3-4 generational talents happened to debut at the same time?

Yeah, it’s this! Guerrero Jr. was ok not great in his first two seasons. Victor Robles started out looking like he needed time to adjust, but turned out to be terrible. Nick Senzel sucked. Kyle Tucker was pretty good but not an All-Star. You’re just remembering the guys who immediately excelled and forgetting the ones who didn’t.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

100% agree with your overall point – but, uh, Kyle Tucker is not an All-Star? Apart from being a literal All-Star, his bWAR over the past 3 seasons is 5.7, 5.4, and 5.4. He’s has the 3rd highest WAR of anyone in his draft class, a hair behind Dansby Swanson, who’s 3 years older than Tucker. Tucker is honestly one of the best players in baseball.

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago

No, I mean he was not an instant All Star upon graduating from the minors, which is what the first comment was remarking on. He definitely became an All Star, it just took a couple seasons.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Omg totally misread your post. Wish I could take it down, but I’ll leave it as a monument to my carelessness. (Tucker DID have a .537 slugging percentage in 72 PA’s as a 22 yr old, which is very promising – but you’re right, not an All-Star.)

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago
Reply to  willl

You bring up some fascinating questions, willl. We would do well to remember that Jordan Walker, all of 21 years old, is still extraordinarily young. Through their age-22 seasons, the following players had lower OPS’s than Walker: Jose Ramirez, Ketel Marte, Anthony Volpe, Byron Buxton, Nick Castellanos, Nolan Arenado, Xander Bogaerts, Bobby Witt Jr., and Luis Robert. When Aaron Judge – a guy with a similar build and skill set to Walker – was Walker’s age, he was in A Ball. But it seems the bumper crop of “insta-stars” from a few years back (Soto, Acuna, Tatis, Kris Bryant, et al) have made us all a little impatient with hyped prospects.

tung_twista
2 years ago
Reply to  willl

all the top prospects. Soto, Acuna, Tatis,

The fact that you list Soto, but not Vladdy Jr. or Robles as a top prospect hints at the important role of survivorship bias.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

People forget that Soto was really a second-tier prospect because he got called up at 19 and most guys that get called up at 19 are very top prospects. Then he was amazing immediately but was no longer a prospect at that time but rather just a great big leaguer.

Thatguy47
2 years ago
Reply to  willl

Rodriguez and Rutschman were both AS caliber players (Rodriguez an actual AS) who finished 7th and 12th in MVP voting their rookie year. By any reasonable standard that qualifies as no adjustment period.

Rodriguez only had a rough April then posted an .866 OPS in May and played at about that lvl the rest of the way. Acuna had a rough May in 2018.

DavidMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Thatguy47

Rutschman was also more than two years older than Walker is now when he debuted.

snakestl
2 years ago

Best case for Jordan Walker is the club deals him to Tampa (or, fill in the blank team) as soon as possible because things are broken. My theme song for this relationship between club and player: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzjg4v7bd1U

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  snakestl

Walker is hardly the first high ranked prospect to suffer a sophomore slump. There are good reasons why it’s such a common term in the first place.

tribetime69
2 years ago

80 grade headline, elite stuff from Michael

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

I don’t have a problem with how he’s been handled. He hit well as a 20 yo who skipped AAA in 2023. He’s improved his defense in 2024. He needs to make adjustments to elevated fastballs which he can do in AAA. I’m not sure he would have developed better in AAA for the past 1 year. He’d have crushed it hitting and still been bad in RF. I actually think LF would be easier for a 3B or SS. The ball comes at you more similarly

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

They want him in RF because of his great arm, the one thing you want your right fielder to have over your left fielder in most ballparks. I can see it either way, though.

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Keep in mind that Walker’s first demotion last year was as much about his defense as it was about his offense. While the Cardinals weren’t expecting him to be good defensively at a position he was still learning to play, they didn’t expect him to be as bad at it as he initially was. While he has improved since then to the point that he’s at least playable in RF now (and could always become a primary DH if absolutely necessary), that was some very ugly defense he was playing for quite a while last year.

belkiolleMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

He was -18 DRS in the first half and +6 in the second half to finish at -12 for the year. I think he’ll be fine in RF long term.

NATS FanMember since 2018
2 years ago

I lived in Memphis for 15 years. Many of the comments on this thread made me smile!

jtricheyMember since 2021
2 years ago

I really want to see a hitter with a ground ball problem try to hit upside down to fix it. Why not?

MikeD
2 years ago

I do wonder if the use of the automated strike zone in AAA is going to hurt players transitioning to MLB, or those (like Walker) who are being sent down to get a reset. MLB pitchers are masters at expanding the strike zone. AAA pitchers can be good at that too, but not if the automated strike zone is in use. Will Walker be able to work on what he needs to work on hitting in a “false” hitting environment? This goes beyond Walker. I’ve noticed some teams are either bypassing AAA now, or barely giving their top prospects more than a cup of coffee there.