Wednesday Prospect Notes: A Pass at the Scottsdale-based Orgs

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You can read previous installments of our prospect notes here.

I’m touching up prospect lists using the same complex-based clustering as usual, incorporating notes from my in-person looks, sourced data, and the opinions of pro scouts. First up is the group of teams based in Scottsdale, with a focus on the Giants due to their status as contenders, making them the team most likely to be motivated to part with prospects between now and the trade deadline. Players whose Future Value grade changed have an “Up” or “Down” arrow in the “Trend” column on The Board.

Arizona Diamondbacks

I didn’t make many changes to Arizona’s list. Small-school righty Brandon Pfaadt leapfrogs former tiermates Blake Walston and Ryne Nelson, and moves into the Top 100. He’s throwing a tick harder than last year and working with three above-average (or better) pitches at Double-A Amarillo now that his changeup has taken a step forward. While he’s a below-average 2B/3B, recent debutant Buddy Kennedy has hit enough to be considered a righty-hitting 1-WAR role-player type, à la Mike Brosseau. Jose Curpa and Christian Montes De Oca have been added to the org list; their reports can be found on The Board. I also considered adding hard-throwing youngsters Rael Santos and Diomede Sierra (each 20-21 years old and sitting 94 mph), but they’ve been too walk-prone for that.

Kristian Robinson played some during extended spring training, but it doesn’t sound like he’ll play Complex League/affiliated ball during the regular season. Extended isn’t technically within the contracted definition of his employment. This has been a pain point for minor league players in general, since they’re often participating in spring training, instructs, or similar developmental activity and not getting paid for it, but in Robinson’s circumstance it’s a loophole that enabled him to get 2022 reps.

Of the group of 45 FV pitchers in this system who have had mixed years, I only repositioned Tommy Henry (now a 40 FV), who’s sitting 91-92 mph and looks more like a fifth starter than someone with the stuff to take the ball in a playoff series, which Slade Cecconi and Bryce Jarvis feel closer to being capable of even though they haven’t been operating at their personal peaks (Jarvis’ was right before he was drafted, Cecconi’s right after).

Colorado Rockies

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Ezequiel Tovar moves into the Top 100 (woohoo!). There is still a somewhat scary amount of chase happening here, creating risk and volatility even though Tovar is close to the big leagues, but he’s a good enough defender to give himself some margin for error in that regard. He and Brayan Rocchio have similar skill sets, with Tovar out-hitting Rocchio at the same level, and so the two of them are now stacked on the universal list.

Conversely, Adael Amador is laying down an early-career track record of both above-average plate discipline and in-zone contact, but he’s less of a lock to stay at shortstop and might end up at second base. He jumps into the 45 FV tier. The power for him to be an every-inning second base regular may not materialize due to his lack of size, but he’s a skilled up-the-middle player and a likely role-player at the very least, and I have spoken to scouts who have an everyday grade on him.

Teenage righty Victor Juarez is only sitting 91 mph but he’s carving up the Cal League anyway. He moves into the 40+ tier on the strength of his athleticism and command more than his present stuff, which has actually slipped a little bit since the early part of spring. Sam Weatherly (shoulder) recently rehabbed in Arizona sitting 92-94 mph, which is close enough to his pre-injury velocity not to move him. Speaking of rehabbers, 2021 second rounder Jaden Hill (coming off of TJ) is throwing bullpens and could be pitching in games within the next few weeks.

Moving down in this org is Brenton Doyle and Ryan Vilade. Doyle still has huge power, athleticism, and speed, but his swing is in a rough spot right now and he’s tracking like a bench outfielder. Vilade has somehow only hit nine homers in roughly 170 career games at Triple-A, with half of those played in Albuquerque and many in Reno and Vegas. He has other contact/on-base skills, but based on where Vilade falls on the defensive spectrum, there needs to be more power.

I have fresh notes on Brian Serven, Jake Bird, Luis Mendez, and PJ Poulin over on The Board.

San Francisco Giants

The Giants are starting to make pitchers better at a rate that rivals that of the other best orgs in baseball. Based on my observations at Scottsdale Stadium during spring training and on their complex, they’re using Kinatrax to make real-time mechanical assessments and also (I believe) to find correctable inefficiencies they are able to tweak through player dev. This might be why the Giants seem to make it a point to cycle through upper-level minor leaguers who are squeezed off of or blocked on other rosters, and give them a shot for a few weeks to see if meaningful changes can be made and quickly manifest on the field. Often nothing materializes, but even one Anthony DeSclafani justifies holding a 40-man spot or two in reserve for this type of activity.

This dev approach is also being applied en masse to their draft classes. As a result, we’re seeing quick improvements in stuff, though not all of them have been sustained. Athletic junior college righty Mat Olsen has settled back into the low-90s after throwing harder than that during the spring. Mason Black, though his overall stuff quality merited a move up the list, was up to 100 mph during the spring but is more in the 93-95 range now. Landen Roupp, Jose Cruz, Ryan Walker, and Gerelmi Maldonado are all new names here, with reports and pitch grades over on The Board. Former Giancarlo Stanton trade piece Jorge Guzman rehabbed at 98-100 mph on the complex last week; he, too, has been added. Eric Silva has moved from “athletic pitchability sleeper” to one of the higher-probability starters in the system, sitting 92-94 mph and commanding five pitches.

Hunter Bishop is another in-season swing-changer, and is now using at least his fourth different swing since he first arrived at Arizona State. He’s performed better since the change, which seems to have occurred during a four-day layoff in May (he’s hit .244/.349/.415 since, after previously hitting .169), but Bishop is still punching out at a 31% clip as a 24-year-old in A-ball. He still has impact power, but except for during pre-conference play in his draft year, he hasn’t hit consistently as a prospect. The Giants took a justifiable gamble on his upside in the draft, but it isn’t working out. That he’s been able to enact so many swing changes perhaps means Bishop will eventually be able to make an adjustment that helps him find viable feel for contact, and for that reason he remains on the list, but at this point he needs to slide.

Other additions here are power/speed center field prospect Grant McCray, who himself has some strikeout-related risk, David Villar, and Onil Perez, all of whom have fresh reports on The Board.





Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I cannot believe I got this far in life without connecting “debutante” to “debut.”

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think in this case it should actually be debutant without the e.

eph1970Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

Right. Most pro players are male.

rossredcayMember since 2020
4 years ago

Fantastic stuff as always. Thank you!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think I’d bump Tovar into the territory that Nick Yorke is in now. Granted that’s a pretty aggressive ranking on Yorke, but it’s increasingly looking like he’s using his bat-to-ball skills to have his game power play above his raw power.

The fact that he’s virtually guaranteed to be average or better at shortstop raises his floor to the point where it’s almost impossible to see him as worse than a 1.5-win player (see: 2017 Jordy Mercer), and also puts his median and upside higher too. If he runs a wRC+ of 105 and is an average defender at shortstop, he’s a 3-win player, putting him at 55. If he runs at 120, he’s a 4 win player and he’s an 60. I’m not confident of the latter outcome but it sure seems plausible. Despite everyone’s instincts telling them that players at premium defensive positions are valuable, they are likely even more valuable than those instincts say.

diamonddores
4 years ago

as a relatively new AZ resident (granted not in the Valley), I am really looking forward to watching some AFL action and spring training games down the road

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago

I don’t know how Tovar is only a 50, honestly. The way he’s been destroying the Eastern League as a 20 year old is something to behold.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

The downside scenario that Eric linked to (Barreto) could happen at the plate, though Tovar’s glove looks to be better. If you tried to put a rating on Trevor Story at each point in his minor-league journey, you’d have a bit of a ratings roller coaster, and there are enough parallels with Tovar’s profile that it might warrant a wait-and-see mindset before bumping him up much further.

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
4 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Re any parallels between Franklin Barreto and Zeke Tovar, once Barreto starting playing full-season ball he never had a season remotely as dominant as Tovar is putting up right now. Just for one direct comparison, at age 20 in AA, Franklin slugged .413 — Tovar is currently at .561.

I would encourage anyone who hasn’t seen it, to go to Tovar’s MILB page. You’ll see some of his 2022 homers. It’s shocking power. Several opposite-field longballs, a multi-homer game, a 440-footer to centerfield. Link: Ezequiel Tovar Stats, Fantasy & News | MiLB.com

One of the top 3 prospects in the game. Hitting for high average with conspicuous all-field power, slaughtering both righties and southpaws. Getting zero home-park help (.370 average on the road). All while playing solid shortstop. What’s not to love?

PlatypiMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think the Barreto comparison is pretty much just for swing decisions.

His home park is in Hartford, not sure theres any real takeaway from his home/road splits.

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago

Yup. I’ve seen Tovar basically one-hand a two-strike breaking ball over the fence this season, and the opposite field power he’s had this season is bananas. He showed up to Spring Training noticeably stronger than he was last season, and the power has finally arrived. Did I mention that he’s 16-for-18 stealing bags and he’s a 60/70 glove at short? And that he’s TWENTY?

He’s aggressive, sure, but A) his plate discipline has trended up compared to 20, and B) being a plate discipline savant isn’t what’s best for everyone (see: Torres, Gleyber). I just don’t see how this kind of hit-power-glove-run combination at
the most premium non catcher position is only a 50, especially when you consider that he’s mashing Double-A (the toughest jump in the Minors) as a 20-year-old. How??

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

I can offer one answer.
Keith Law admitted in an ESPN chat many years ago, as in a decade ago or more, that individuals who publicly rank prospects as part of their job description will always be very, very hesitant to dramatically alter either positively or negatively any prospect’s ranking — in large part because it would (or at least *could*) be construed as a tacit admission that the previous evaluation was way wrong. Frequently admitting mistakes isn’t the best way to keep one’s job. (I added the last line.)

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago

That would make a lot of sense, honestly. I’d 60 Tovar myself as a totally amateur prospect watcher. And if he mashes Triple-A I’d 65 him with ease.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Because it doesn’t make sense based on the max exit velocity. Either he’s put on a ton more muscle (very possible) or he’s just really good at hitting the ball in the sweet spot so his game power plays above his raw. Both of these are unusual enough that it makes sense Eric wouldn’t want to bump him up too high immediately. Sometimes guys just get hot.

FWIW, I don’t think Barreto is the right comp either. He compares well statistically to the elite shortstop prospects of yesteryear, including Xander Bogaerts, Amed Rosario, Corey Seager, and Addison Russell. But it’s worth noting that while those guys all got much higher grades than a 50, it’s not like Rosario and Russell really reached what everyone thought they would do. And he also lacks the overt physical projection of Bogaerts and Seager so you can’t just draw in a straight line forward.

The guy he reminds me the most of is actually Dansby Swanson, who is an impossible age comp because he went to college. But he’s roughly the same size as Swanson and looks like he has similar tools and plate discipline (Swanson also tends to chase, but isn’t a crazy outlier on it like Rosario or Bichette). Tovar could very well have some of those big, dominant seasons like Swanson is this year, but probably he settles in south of that (like Swanson has in years past).

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The only reason I dont think the exit velo thing works is because Tovar hit a ball over 110 MPH in Spring Training. 111 I think it was. Wouldn’t that be 55 raw?

The added muscle is definitely a thing. It was the first thing I noticed when I saw him in Spring. Just go watch him last year and compare him to 2022. His frame honestly kinda reminds me of Ronald Acuña Jr’s now, just a bit. Both 6 feet and wiry strong. Tovar is probably around 185 now, at the very least.

Last edited 4 years ago by mariodegenzgz
Niels-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Your point is well taken, Mario. And in a general sense, to hit the ball very hard with regularity is of course much more valuable than hitting it *extremely* hard a couple times a week.

So I wouldn’t worry about a minor leaguer’s mediocre max exit velocities unless (1)he’s already 23, 24 years old and unlikely to add strength/bat speed, or (2)I’m scouting specifically for fantasy baseball home run hitters.

When it comes to Tovar specifically, a 440-foot homer plus several opposite field homers before the end of June, in Double-A at age 20, is enough to convince me he’ll have well above average pop for an MLB middle infielder. And if he never hits 30 homers, that’s just fine. He could play in half a dozen Midsummer Classics by batting .280/.340/.480 and playing good shortstop defense.

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago

Absolutely. As I write this, he just hit an RBI double to right center. Hitting .325 with a .966 OPS now. Bananas.

I feel like, somehow, the fact that Tovar is a plus fielding shortstop AND good baserunner is getting lost in the equation for anyone who says he’s a 50. With that combination of glove and speed, he could be a 50 even if he ended up with a 40 bat, and the power-hit combination makes it very easy to project far more than that. He got pretty universal 60s on bat control up to this point, pair that with legitimate power and you have a monstrous prospect.

If there was an 18 year old HS SS yet to play who got a 60 hit, 55 raw, 60/65 field and 55/60 run, he’d go first overall and probably get a 55 right away. Tovar is that + tearing up competition four years older at AA and people are pumping the brakes for some reason. I don’t get it.

Last edited 4 years ago by mariodegenzgz
sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

I don’t have my copy of Future Value in front of me where Eric and Kiley lay this all out, but just based on this season 110.5 puts you 90th out of 158 qualified hitters (111 puts you at #80). So that’s probably 50 raw, and if he’s put on good weight and gotten stronger and is maxing out his power then I think this all makes sense (and if he’s put on good weight and gotten stronger I think the Dansby Swanson comp makes even more sense).

I’d be pretty hesitant to bump him to a 60. But it’s hard to imagine him totally failing at this point because if he’s guaranteed to stick at short the bar is pretty low on offense. Some guys do hit like this when they’re this young at AA and fail to become a league average hitter in the majors. Jo Adell is the most recent example, but Maikel Franco, Dilson Herrera, and Jon Singleton are others. But if they were shortstops, they’d get a much longer leash to iron things out. Much like Amed Rosario and Addison Russell did (not that it seems to have helped).

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I know it feels like he’s been around for a decade, but Jo Adell turned 23 in April, so talking about him in the past tense might be a couple years premature. Hope so for his sake.

At the risk of being a nitpicker, I think there were modest red flags with most of the other names there, warnings Tovar doesn’t have. Franco walked just 3.4% in AA, and Russell 4.4%. Rosario had almost no over-the-wall power at that level, homering twice in 54 games. Singleton watched Cheech & Chong movies. (Can’t blame him for loving Sister Mary Elephant or Basketball Jones. Those really ARE classics.)

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc Pederson
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Hmmm. Exit velocities. The thing about exit velocities, maximum or otherwise, is we’ve only had that data on minor leaguers for a very short time. So there is no evidence yet one way or the other of how *predictive* they are, when estimating eventual MLB hitting prowess — or at least, I have yet to see any such evidence.

Same with all of the other deep-dive numbers like barrel rates, chase ratios, swing-and-miss-in-the-zone, and all of that other statcasty stuff. I’m not saying those things don’t matter; I’m saying we have no idea whether they matter or not so it’s highly questionable to me how much weight they should be given when rating anyone’s chances for MLB success or stardom.

As opposed to all of the conventional yardsticks like batting average, isolated slugging, extra base hits as percentage of overall safeties, walk and strikeout rates, and so forth. We have generations of evidence that support guys like Ezequiel Tovar and Masyn Winn and Gunnar Henderson as the very best current prospects. (I have them #3, #7, and #1, respectively.)

E-Dub
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

I looked at Tovar’s month-to-month stats and expected to see him coming to earth this month, but he’s hit in 13 of 17 games and is maintaining his K and BB rates. All you can nitpick is that fewer multi-hit games have led to his “only” hitting .295.

I wouldn’t take issue if COL wants to see him struggle a bit before an mlb promotion, but that’s not going to happen at this level.

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago
Reply to  E-Dub

I hope that they’re leaving him in Hartford for this series against Somerset to try and clinch a postseason spot, and then off to Albuquerque it is. He’s perfectly capable of finding himself in the Majors by late August.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Given that he’s already burned an option year, promoting him in August will start his service clock early, and they probably won’t be in the playoff race at that point, I would guess that’s not happening. He’ll probably get a chance to win a roster spot in Spring Training for 2023.

Ashburn Alley
4 years ago

Thanks for all the info Eric.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago

No movement for Ryan Murphy? He’s been excellent and just had another dominant start tonight.

tomerafan
4 years ago

I still think you’re missing the boat on Ryan Vilade. He’s working on pitch recognition at the higher levels and is doing incredibly well in his control of the strike zone. He’s about to do what he’s done at every level once he’s controlled the strike zone to his liking – become a doubles machine with 20-hr power over a full season.

PlatypiMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I like the discipline, but hes never shown 20 hr power at any level (outside of 33 rookie ball games), not sure why youd expect it at the MLB level. Ive seen vilade in person and he doesnt have what youd call a “projectable” frame.

tomerafan
4 years ago
Reply to  Platypi

Vilade has a history at every level he’s played. Spend a couple of months learning how you’re pitched to, focus on plate discipline and controlling the strike zone, and swinging for contact not power… and then, when you feel you’ve got it, bring the power to the game.

The thing is, it’s not conjecture. He’s been open about discussing his approach, and then he’s done it with results. The stat line beats it out, if you look at the monthly splits across every minor league season.

As far as whether the doubles power translates into 20 homers… you’re right, the true in-game power only showed up for one month at High-A (2019). 7 homers in august with a .300 / .400 / .600 slash line and sub-10% K rate. Hot month to be sure.

But he’s got 3 homers in the last 10 days in AAA, his splits have all started moving up and I honestly believe we’re about to see it in-game.

Josh DugganMember since 2020
4 years ago

FYI, on the board, there are currently two players listed at #44 and #100.