We’re a Month From Ohtani Changing the Landscape of Baseball
Shohei Ohtani does not yet belong to a major-league team. No one really knows where he’s going to go, and he hasn’t even been actually posted. There are still some remaining hurdles to jump, but they’re only getting smaller and smaller. Ohtani will play in the majors in 2018. The odds of that are effectively 100%. It’s felt that way for a while, but as of later Tuesday, it’s almost official.
You probably read about how the players union wasn’t thrilled with the various proposed posting agreements between MLB and Nippon Professional Baseball. The union has its own interests, and it also had a place at the table, so it held out until it was satisfied. An eventual agreement nevertheless felt inevitable, and you can read about the terms right here. All that’s left is MLB owner approval, which will come on December 1. Ohtani will then be free to be posted. Teams will have about three weeks to negotiate. Of course, those negotiations will involve comically insufficient sums of money, but Ohtani is okay with that. This is what he’s chosen to do. It looks like he’ll have a contract by Christmas.
From the union’s perspective, it’s happy that this won’t drag out too long. The market won’t be paralyzed all winter. But no one’s reading this because they care about the union. It’s all about Ohtani, and about the team that he selects. We know with virtual certainty that he’s coming. He’ll report to a big-league camp in the middle of February. No one knows how good he’ll actually be, but when he chooses a team, baseball is going to be different. Ohtani can change an entire league’s outlook.
It’ll be nice to have this wrapped up in December. In the end, the market does always sort itself out, but there’s no harm in speeding things along. Hisashi Iwakuma didn’t sign with the Mariners until January 5. Kenta Maeda didn’t sign with the Dodgers until January 7. Masato Yoshii, January 13. Nori Aoki, January 17. Yu Darvish, January 18. Masahiro Tanaka, January 22. Tadahito Iguchi, January 27. So Taguchi, January 29. Kazuhisa Ishii, February 28. This is good for the speed of the market. This is good for our collective sanity. We’ve already waited too long. All we want is resolution.
Real resolution, naturally, won’t come until we know what Ohtani really is. Until we know how valuable he is, until we know how durable he is. What we have for now is a scouting report, and Japanese statistics, which are relevant statistics, but still non-major-league statistics. Shohei Ohtani is a prospect. But he’s a major-league-ready prospect, and he would appear to be one of the most valuable players in the sport.
It’s easy to allow the hype to spiral out of control, and it’s almost unavoidable when you’ve had people drooling over a player for years. Ohtani might reasonably qualify as the Japanese Babe Ruth, but that doesn’t mean he’ll perform like the major-league Babe Ruth. Expectations need to be kept in check. Ohtani should be good. Could easily be great. Might not be the greatest. Probably won’t be the greatest. There are already a lot of very good baseball players.
Yet even accepting that, there’s no getting around the other truth: Some team is about to get impossibly lucky. And so much of it is going to be luck. Teams can’t really flash their money, and it’s presently unclear what Ohtani prefers. How much does he want to hit? Does he want to play for a good team or for a bad team? Does he want a Japanese teammate, or does he want to go it alone? Ohtani is a winning lottery ticket, lying on the ground. The team that gets him can believe that it made the best pitch, but there’s little for teams to do to stand out. Ohtani will select who gets to use his arm and his bat. In so doing, he will alter a franchise.
Ohtani’s value comes from his skills, but, of course, it also comes from the reality that he’ll get paid very little. Situations like this never happen, which is by definition what makes this so exceptional, so extraordinary. Let me lay this out as simply as I can. Whoever signs Ohtani will pay a $20-million posting fee to Hokkaido. Ohtani will then earn the league minimum. In the following two years, he’ll earn something close to the league minimum. The record contract for a starting pitcher in year one of arbitration is $7.25 million. For year two of arbitration, $10.7 million. For year three of arbitration, $15.64 million. Let’s say Ohtani reaches those marks. That would mean a team would be making a six-year commitment worth about $56 million. More than a third of that is something other than salary. Ohtani’s actual six years would cost about $36 million.
Obviously, you could argue that up. Salaries are rising. Ohtani could pull $40 million, or $45 million. But there’s just a big huge enormous gap between what Ohtani will earn, and what he could earn. I know that “surplus value” reads like the unsexy language of wonks, but surplus value is the key to success. Surplus value, in a sense, is value. Baseball is, in truth, more complicated than that, but if you understand surplus value, you understand what makes a player or a franchise valuable.
Imagine that Ohtani were a true free agent. Six years ago, the Rangers paid $108 million for six years of Darvish, and they had all the leverage, under the old posting system. Four years ago, the Yankees paid $175 million for seven years of Tanaka, and they included an opt-out clause. Some reports have speculated that Ohtani could sign a contract worth $150 million. Other reports have gone up to $200 million. This is, they say, the money Ohtani is turning down by not waiting another two years to come to MLB. Not that long ago, David Price signed for seven years and $217 million, with an opt-out clause. Zack Greinke signed for six years and $206.5 million. Johnny Cueto signed for six years and $130 million, with an opt-out clause. Jordan Zimmermann signed for five years and $110 million. Even Mike Leake signed for five years and $80 million, and Wei-Yin Chen signed for the same terms, but also with an opt-out clause. Veteran number-three starters pulled $16-million salaries. Ohtani is a 23-year-old who hits home runs and throws 100 miles per hour. It’s hard to imagine that Ohtani couldn’t get $200 million.
Let’s try a different approach. Let’s say you project Ohtani to be worth 18 WAR over the next six years, distributed evenly. We can set a market rate of $9 million per WAR, building in 5% inflation. That would make Ohtani worth about $182 million. Let’s say instead that you project Ohtani to be worth 24 WAR. That bumps the value up to about $243 million. And now let’s say you project Ohtani to perform like the last six years of Madison Bumgarner, a good pitcher who is also an atypically good hitter. That bumps the value up to about $273 million. That’s at 4.5 WAR per year. There’s all kinds of downside, but there’s also further upside. You can imagine where the numbers might go if Ohtani were legitimately, demonstrably outstanding.
Time to simplify again. $200 million. We can just say true-free-agent Ohtani would sign for six years and $200 million. If his salaries end up worth a combined $40 million, that gives him a surplus value of $160 million. This ignores the posting fee, which is just the cost of doing business. It’s nothing that could or would be transferred to another club. Now let’s reflect on Dave’s trade-value series. Corey Kluber was the highest-ranking pitcher. He projects to have a surplus value of about $118 million over the next four years. Carlos Correa, meanwhile, was the highest-ranking player. He projects to have a surplus value of about $191 million over the next four years. These are estimates, obviously, and nothing is perfect. Projected performances aren’t perfect, and projected values and salaries aren’t perfect. But these numbers, at least, get you in the ballpark. And they reveal that Ohtani instantly becomes one of the very most valuable players in the game. Perhaps he will ultimately under-perform, but all that matters for now is how players project. A projection is the average of all expected outcomes. Ohtani could also fairly easily over-perform. He might become the most valuable pitcher. He might become the most valuable player.
It cannot be overstated what that would mean. Ohtani is going to fall in somebody’s lap, and then, all of a sudden, everything will be different. Sure, if Ohtani goes to, say, the Yankees or the Dodgers, you could say it’s just the rich getting richer. Those are already very good and valuable teams. But imagine that, instead, Ohtani goes to the Mariners, or the Rangers, or even, I don’t know, the Orioles? The franchise outlook changes instantly. Those are clubs that might be a half-season away from rebuilding. Ohtani could conceivably turn that around. Were Ohtani to want the ultimate challenge, and if he signed with some team already in the basement, that team’s rebuild would be given an unprecedented jolt. We’ve seen how Mike Trout has almost singlehandedly kept the Angels afloat. Ohtani might be valuable in a different way, but this really is a lottery ticket. I know I already used that term, but Ohtani could change a franchise’s standard of living, so to speak. All thanks to incredible talent and a remarkable decision observers still are failing to understand. Ohtani is great, and he isn’t motivated by money. Okay.
Maybe you’ve grown tired of reading about Shohei Ohtani. Maybe you haven’t at all! No matter the case, this is all finally evolving. At last, Ohtani is close to signing with a team. An unknown team, playing in the major leagues. Could be, Ohtani will bust. No way to know. The most likely outcome, though, is that Ohtani is at least pretty good. And that’ll make him one of the most valuable baseball players in the world. In general, it’s safe to say this’ll be good for the game. More specifically, this’ll be fantastic for one franchise, and unfortunate for all of its rivals.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
Personally, I’m hoping I don’t get tired of reading about Ohtani for at least 15 years. I look forward to reading Ohtani-and-Trout-graphs for a long time to come.
“Ohtani goes to the Mariners”
Thanks, I needed a good larf.
While I think a lot of people would rightfully consider this a really questionable decision if he wants to win over the long haul, they have a ton of advantages (accomodated prior Japanese players, large Japanese-American population, good chance for endorsements, etc). They’re going to be players.
“laughable” https://youtu.be/hmXCvjNAouw?t=3s
large Japanese-American population.lol
All things are relative, and since there is no major league baseball team in Honolulu, it’s the biggest outside of LA and San Francisco/San Jose among those that do have an MLB team.
There just aren’t that many Japanese-Americans out there.
I’m guessing that wooing him with fancy dinners and city tours and emotional video montages is a mistake most teams will make.
The first thing I’d do is show him all of our scouting/coaching reports on him. First from the hitting side, with plans for how to continue to improve his swing and how to best apply his swing against major league pitchers. Show him why his swing is successful in Japan, and how you’d start attacking him as a pitcher. Get your best communicators to show him how you’ll support him as a hitter when his weaknesses are exposed.
Then walk down the hall and do the same with pitching. Show him how his release point is just barely inconsistent between pitches and have the pitching coach walk him through an exercise on how to improve it. Find the best communicators you have in your org from any department and make them spend the next month with your coaching and scouting staff to make the report as consumable as possible.
I’m going to guarantee him the chance to pitch, DH, and play the field as much as he wants. No guarantees it will stick – that’s a recipe for disaster – just the promise that he’ll get a shot.
I take him to the medical staff and show him our best ideas for how to monitor his health during that experiment, and what we’d use to judge the health risk he’s facing by doing more than pitching. I’m setting up private consults with completely independent doctors – the best in the city – and giving him a chance to have the same conversation there.
If I’m in a position to do so, I show him our creative plans for adjusting the starting rotation to see if I can emulate his japanese experience without seriously disrupting the rest of the team.
After all of that, I sit down to talk through what success and failure looks like. What kinds of numbers or medical issues would it take to pull the plug on the experiment? Make it a collaborative exercise between Gm / manager / player to define those benchmarks in a way that everyone can get behind.
Not to be sneaky, but that also gives a good chance to emphasize success criteria that would make the team want to “ensure you are part of our core in our upcoming competitive window winkwink” – of course being careful to respect the rules of engagement.
If he wants to come to MLB to show he’s a singular talent, I’m showing him how we can support him to get there.
If the kid wants to prove himself on both sides of the ball, it’s worth the $20m posting fee and a few years of minimum salary to let him try.
Excellent take.
Actually, this take is extremely bad.
/shrug
Don’t forget to point out what there is about the city itself to love, be it the music or theatre scene or a body of water or whatever, since he’ll be living there a good part of the year.
Offer to be collaborative in marketing him to the community and the nation (going sort-of the NBA route in making the player more the focus). Make arrangements for him to meet with or review pitches from the best independent firms in the city.
Present a staff-opinion compendium (vetted, natch) of the best places in the city for whatever his tastes – clothing stores, restaurants, things to do, etc. That off-time has to be filled by something other than training, eating, and sleeping.
” I’m going to guarantee him the chance to pitch, DH, and play the field as much as he wants ”
neither you nor anyone else will allow him to play in the field all he wants….unless he tells you he doesn’t want to play in the field more than once in his first season in MLB.
if you’re going to give him a chance to both pitch and hit, that is so ambitious and complex for a rookie that you probably have to minimize his starts early in the season so that he can spend spring training and the first few weeks mostly concentrating on batting
He’s still gonna offer a ton of surplus value but I’d bet money that whoever Ohtani signs with is gonna figure out a way to pay him way more than $36 million over six years, either via a massive extension that buys out his arb years or some under the table deal of questionable legality. If he’d still be a bargain at almost 10 times the price why wouldn’t you let him know you’re willing to make sure he gets more that the standard rookie deal? MLB’s gonna be looking hard to try to block this but if billionaires are good at anything it’s skirting regulations.
Because it’s not clear more money == more likely to win the bid.
Because if Otani wanted to maximize his money, there’s easier ways that don’t require skirting the law and have orders-of-magnitude higher return.
Because even offering something under-handed is enough to incur serious backlash from MLB, and rational owners are not idiots. Imagine the Dodgers offer him the world under the table, but ultimately Otani lands with the Giants. Then he writes a nice letter to the commissioner outlining the dodgers process and provides proof. Now the dodgers management and ownership is facing potentially huge penalties. Sure Otani makes you better, but an MLB franchise is a business and even the worst performing teams print money. No owner in his right mind would risk that for 1 player, no matter how good.
Wow! Great article, Jeff.
While it’s still in front of us, lets pause to imagine how our impression of some GM’s work is going to be radically different in 2 months.
Oh, I think he cares about money, in that he probably doesn’t want to feel used. I don’t know that he’d make more than $40M in Japan over the next six years, anyway. Whether he makes an American billionaire or a Japanese billionaire even richer may not matter. Good on him if it doesn’t.
I guess I’m a little hazy on this – when exactly is Ohtani’s signing team allowed to actually begin talking to him about buying out his arbitration years? Can it be this season? When is the earliest that he can begin making free agent money?
They can talk to him about it immediately, basically. But an unusually large extension would be suspicious, and draw attention. And if it’s not unusually large, he wouldn’t have much reason to sign it.
His motivation doesn’t appear to be maximizing money, so I doubt his first move would be to break his new league’s rules with a handshake agreement in order to … maximize money.
any team who will sign Ohtani would automatically receive a lot of advertising offers from Japanese companies (Just like in the case of Hideki Matsui and Dice-K), plus numerous name exposures in Japan. Think about this: all sports news (even evening news and morning news) will follow every action of Ohtani from the first day of spring training. It’s going to be every day, yes every day. And easy to predict that his jersey will be sold significantly there and many tourists come to the State to just see Ohtani. Think about how Mariners became one of the most popular MLB franchises (after Yankees and Dodgers) in Japan just because they signed Ichiro. So how much financial value Ohtani brings to the team X?
Is there anything to stop a team from arranging large endorsement deals for him? These marketing deals could potentially be above market value if the team gave the companies things in exchange and it would me very difficult for MLB to prove.
“And easy to predict that his jersey will be sold significantly there”
MLB merchandise revenue is central fund money that’s split equally between all teams. So a lot of Ohtani jerseys being sold in Japan helps all MLB teams, but there’s no direct revenue difference for the Yankees (to pick an example) whether those Ohtani jerseys are Yankees jerseys vs. Dodgers jerseys (or Mariners jerseys, etc.).
some thoughts on where he may land.
on an NL team, he could DH during interleague play, and pinch hit during others. But still AL is better fit.
Indians: no chance with encarnacion at DH.
same for Angels(pujols), Rangers(choo).
Mariners: Cruz could play the outfield some time, but not all the time. but the mariners will seem to push hard.
Yankees, Dodgers: He wouldnt want to compete with a fellow Japanese star for a rotation spot. He can go to the teams when the time is right.
Twins: perfect fit, young upcoming team with place for him at both DH and rotation.
Padres: west coast, plus Nomo and Saito waiting for him.
Dbacks: west coast, plus family ties.
Orioles, Marlins: sellers in Intl pool.
Astros, Red Sox: dont need him.
Reds: could be role model for Hunter Greene, but not contending soon.
Nationals: dont need him, though Ohtani may want to play with Bryce Harper.
Phillies: not likely contenders soon, they havent had any JP players before.
Rockies: high altitude problem.
Giants: good fit, they will come back, twin monster with Bumgarner!
Blue Jays, Cubs, Mets:good fit
Athletics, Pirates, Cardinals, Brewers, Rays:dont seem enthusiastic about him.
Tigers, White Sox: rebuilding, not good fit
Royals: too much to think about with many FAs.
Braves: no chance with recent Intl FA problem
I think he will got to either the
A: Twins, Mariners
B: Giants, Padres, Dbacks, Blue Jays
C: Cubs, Mets
If your teams he might go to list includes the Blue Jays and Padres but not the Dodgers and Yankees, I don’t know what to tell you.
Couple things here that I disagree with-
Have no clue how much market size means to him, but if it means anything, he’ll pick a team with a bigger market than the twins. I understand that’s an unfair assumption, but I think a kid who gives up hundreds of millions to prove himself in the majors wants to do it on the biggest stage possible. You can say the exact same thing you said about the twins for either of the two “favorites”, the Yankees and Dodgers, and then add that they play in the country’s biggest markets, with stronger connections to Japan.
I may have missed it, but are you sure that he doesn’t want to play with Tanaka/Darvish? I don’t remember reading that anywhere, and nothing about the guy points that out. Besides, Darvish may not be a Dodger next year. And I guarantee that on any team he goes to, he will not be “competing for a rotation spot”, nor will Tanaka/Darvish. He’ll be firmly entrenched as a #1 or #2 starter.
You can say the exact same thing for Texas that you did for Seattle, so don’t rule them out. If the Indians lose Santana, we’ll probably see more Encarnacion at 1B. That said, I highly doubt that Otani will sign there (they’re widely regarded as out of the race).
I guarantee you that every team that possibly can will be making a pitch to Otani, regardless of where they stand in the sweepstakes. A’s, Pirates, Cards, Brewers, Rays included. No one is going to miss a chance to sign a potential superstar to a rookie deal.
I also don’t think he wants to play for one of the worst teams in the league last year (the Giants) with an aging core and barren farm system.
Long story short, I think if he goes to an NL team, he goes to LA, but he’ll most likely want to DH rather than pinch-hit and play 25 games a year in RF. That comes down to the Yankees, Rangers, and Mariners, in my opinion.
It seems the real motive for him to go to the majors this early, is to enter the Hall of Fame. At least that was the case 5 years ago. I think he doesnt want to say that when foreign media is present, I am guessing, it would sound cocky.
So he needs the opportunity and comfort to play on a consistent basis from day 1.
http://www.plus-blog.sportsnavi.com/yukish/article/4
And it seems he does not want to go to a team who has a Japanese player. (but I narrowed it to a team with a Japanese “starter”, as some other media says that way)
Mariners dont have Iwakuma anymore, but Cubs still have Uehara, might be factors to consider.
As for the Dodgers, I was referring to Kenta Maeda, not Darvish.
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20171115-00000011-nkgendai-base
I am also guessing, because Darvish and Ohtani are good friends, they dont want to play
I agree to your view, Giants and Blue Jays, yes, maybe not. Rangers, yes, maybe yes. Giants are tempting though as a city, strong historical and business ties with Japan, west coast and close to Japan, lots of Japanese restaurants and stores(this is where a sizeable Japanese expat community is important. And he is single). But I dont know if it has much Japanese karaoke bars now, but I guess it does not matter because he doesnt drink much? With the Twins he can do what he wants there. Plus the Twins seem very interested and offer the most money (though small). I must admit, I am being little bold here, I dont know if he has the guts to choose Minnesota as his home. But he is from the north part of Japan, and his current team is the northernmost franchise. Hey he is used to the cold!
I wonder if he can play QB too? Imagine if he signs with the Browns?
Something that is a result of the methodology used in the article is not mentioned in the article: Ohtani’s total salary over those six years will be commensurate with his performance. I would think that the higher Ohtani’s salary over his 6 year contract turns out to be the more surplus value he will have created for his team. If he ends up making $7.25 M, $10.7 M, and 15.64 M in his arbitration years it will mean that he performed extremely well. In this case his open market value would likely be much more the $200 M. If Ohtani performs poorly, his salary will be low, so he will be unlikely to underperform his salary, and if he does it will be by a small, capped amount.
That is a phenomenal situation for a team to find itself in. It’s like a hedged bet with very high upside potential. Of course that is always the case for a player signed as an amateur. But Ohtani is 23 years old. He’s much more of a sure thing than someone like Yoan Moncada was when he signed. Even when Ohtani was 18 he was a super prospect. In the interceding 5 years he has so far delivered on that promise. To get him for a price similar to if he were a highly regarded 16 or 17 year old is… well it’s a problem with the collective bargaining agreement is what it is.
This is a great discussion. Did not think about the implications of being under arbitration, and the potential costs involved with that, if he performs.
I would note that while he did not win an arbitration award, Lincecum was signed to avoid arbitration, and, as well, was Super-Two, and thus had four years of arbitration. He got basically $64M under those contracts. Perhaps consider that Ohtani’s upper limit on what he could get? And thus a max team’s commitment of $84M.