We’ve Never Seen This Felix Hernandez
I recognize that this is a sensitive subject at a lousy time. I mean, the Mariners are winning, winning on a fairly sustained basis, and Felix Hernandez owns a lower ERA than Stephen Strasburg and Noah Syndergaard. According to our playoff odds page, the Mariners have a better than 50% chance of getting to the postseason, which for Felix would be his first-ever taste of those stakes. Mariners fans aren’t looking to be worried. Not now, not when they have circumstances to appreciate.
So I know this post might be interpreted as a bit of a bummer. It’s not meant that way; these are just observations. And no part of me presently thinks that Felix is toast. It’s just, there are things to talk about. What Felix has been doing, he’s never before done quite like this. It’s looking like he could be beginning a new chapter.
To start with, an old point that’s also a new point. I think we take velocity information for granted — it wasn’t that long ago this stuff wasn’t publicly available. It’s so easy to look up these days I don’t know if people appreciate the significance of movement. But, all right. In spring, Felix was throwing with unusually low velocity. Caught some attention, but you can shrug spring off, especially for the established players. Then the season started and Felix still had low velocity. Anything can happen once, right? Felix now has started six games. This should no longer be thought of as a blip. The image below is from Brooks Baseball, and it’s readily apparent that Felix’s pitch speed has dropped:
It’s a pretty big drop, too. Depending on what you compare it to, it’s a drop of either a mile and a half, or two miles and a half. That typically isn’t something a pitcher just shakes off. You might notice that in, say, 2012, Felix built up arm strength as the season wore on, but even if he did that same thing now, he’d still finish lower than last year. Felix hasn’t been a true power pitcher for a while, but now he’s spending almost all of his time below 90. Yeah, he still has his movement. It’s not like he’s a completely different, unrecognizable pitcher. Velocity matters, though. It’s a meaningful indicator, and historically, pitchers who’ve lost this much velocity between seasons have seen their ERA- figures go up an average of 14 points.
Yet this isn’t just about Felix’s fastball. If everything else were the same, it would be easy to dismiss. Felix is sitting on 18 walks and 29 strikeouts. His lack of strikes, relatively speaking, is uncharacteristic, and you can see that below, in a six-game rolling plot of Felix’s strike rates over his career:
The last time Felix dipped this low, he was a rookie, who didn’t yet really understand how to pitch. He hasn’t thrown so few strikes in over a decade, which for a pitcher is an eternity. We’ve never seen this kind of lower-velocity Felix, and we’ve just about never seen this kind of lower-control Felix. Both of those are worrisome signs. You can’t pretend they’re not, even if you try to. Felix usually dismisses any inquiries about his fastball, but he’s acknowledged he could be more precise.
On the other hand, there’s the matter of Felix’s low ERA. He was driven out of his start Wednesday, but he was knocked out by dinks and errors. This is where we find the saving grace. Felix hasn’t thrown strikes like usual, and he hasn’t missed bats like usual, but he owns one of baseball’s 10 lowest hard-hit rates. Via Statcast and Baseball Savant, Felix has yielded the sixth-lowest average batted-ball speed. By that measure he even comes out better than Jake Arrieta. There’s been too much contact, but there hasn’t been too much good contact. Fold that in with the walks, and you get the sense that Felix might be turning into a nibbler. Almost like Tom Glavine, for lack of a better example off the top of my head. Maybe Felix recognizes that he doesn’t have the same stuff, so he’s being increasingly careful. That’s just me speculating, but it fits a lot of the data points.
Where are the strikeouts? Are they just gone because of the reduced velocity? I think we could actually see something of a rebound, here. Felix whiffed 10 batters in his second start of the season. The ability is still in there. But here’s a list of Felix’s opponents:
- Rangers
- A’s (twice)
- Yankees
- Angels
- Royals
The Angels have the AL’s lowest team strikeout rate. The A’s are second-lowest, and the Royals are third-lowest, and the Yankees are fourth-lowest, and the Rangers are sixth-lowest. The average AL hitter has struck out 21% of the time. The average AL hitter that Felix has faced so far has struck out 18% of the time, and while that’s not a huge difference, it’s still pretty big. Felix will face less contact-oriented opponents. When that happens, you could see more strikeouts and more quality contact when the bat meets the ball. There are always trade-offs. Felix’s pitches still move like crazy so he shouldn’t be thought of as hittable. He’s just probably more hittable. Velocity drops don’t just do nothing.
We have a Felix who isn’t throwing as hard, and we have a Felix who isn’t throwing consistent strikes. Still, we have a Felix who’s remained moderately effective, so it’s not all bad news. He remains a difficult pitcher to square up, but with a reduced margin of error, it seems Felix might be trying to be more careful. That’s the somewhat positive spin. The more negative spin would be that better contact is coming, and maybe Felix is just hurt, plain and simple. I see it, and I get it. I always try to give ace pitchers the benefit of the doubt. Of course, at some point, every ace pitcher stops being an ace.
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I used to throw way up in the 90’s too.
Of course, that was way back in the 90’s.
Felix has definitely not looked the same. His ability to get Ks when he needs them is noticeably diminished; he more typically gets GBs with his breaking pitches now. He simply isn’t a power pitcher. Felix has a great idea how to pitch, and his curve and change are absolutely swing-and-miss offerings . . . but don’t necessarily finish in the strike zone, which is leading to problems.
There seem to me two scenarios for his divergence. One, Felix hasn’t quite gotten the hang of pitching off a FB that tops out at 90 mph. Can’t get it by batters, so he’s giving up more contact, if not necessarily getting shelled. In that scenario, he adjusts his location and sequences, and stays pretty damned effective, if with less pitch efficiency since having to throw more pitches maybe.
The other scenario is physical deterioration presaging injury. Diminished control and sharply lowered velocity = trips to the IR. Felix doesn’t look like he’s pitching in discomfort, and hasn’t said a thing about physical issues, so this doesn’t seem the more likely scenario. Still, it may be coming, and sooner rather than later.
What to do? Well, consider this: Servais and Stot fils seem to have a pitching program for their starters which is encouraging them to go to 115 pitches. Multiple guys have been left in to go over 100 toward that number; it seems deliberate. In his fifth start, Felix was sent back out for the 8th inning, ran into trouble, couldn’t really finish off the last batter he faced, and was pulled for a reliever (who ended the inning well). Frankly, this has to stop with Felix. In recent years, all his managers have brought him out late and long; he’s a competitor, and when on is better than any reliever, sure. But Felix isn’t the horse he was before he slimmed down (and got a bit older) who could throw 97 all day long. It is not in the interests of Felix or the team for him to throw those late stress pitches.
Felix needs a tighter cap, and a bit smarter usage: he’s going to have to have his innings carefully managed from here on out. That’s no knock on him: it’s time, is all. And time’s the world’s king.
It’s too early to worry about this, but is this decline coming two years too early for Felix’ HOF chances? I’m nervous.
Depending on what he does to adjust, but I think probably so.
If he’s a high-3, low 4-ERA pitcher from here on out, he’s not making it.
His traditional numbers are good/very good, but not overwhelming: 145-103, 3.10 ERA, 2000 H in 2300 IP, 2171 Ks. And he’ll be dinged for pitching in Safeco (Rightly or not).
He may still get to 200 wins, but it’s no longer a lock, and 3000 Ks may also be out the door.
He’s already at 50 WAR, though, so he probably already (or almost) has the sabermetric value to get in. The question is, if he retires in 2020, will the 2025 voters be mostly saber-inclined? I think there’s a decent chance, but not a guarantee.
I also think there is a chance that with all the exit velocity data coming in what may be his down slope, that’s not going to help him.
But the question then becomes, which active pitchers are ever going to get in then? With injuries the way they are, the Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux types with thousands and thousands of innings are not coming back.
Sabathia gets in, probably, but what about younger guys?
Kershaw is probably a lock the second he gets 10 years, but that might be it.
Verlander is no longer a lock. Greinke is too old. Kluber is way too old.
Short of trying to project the really young guys (Fernandez, DeGrom, Syndergaard, etc.), I don’t see any other obvious guys besides Kershaw, unless the standards come way down (which they probably need to, given the amount of innings and pitches most pitchers now get).
The only active pitcher (besides Kershaw) I could easily see continuing their career and easily making the HOF is MadBum. He’ll turn 27 during the season and will have 100 W’s, an ERA of 3.00ish, and around 27 WAR.
He’s been very consistent and durable the past 5+ years and young enough to keep that going for a while.
If you add in his postseason stats and heroics, he seems destined for the HOF.
The younger guys don’t have a long enough track record to easily predict the future.
He should get bonus Hall points for not getting to face the Mariners.
I don’t think that Felix will become a high 3.00 ERA pitcher soon unless he hits the injury wall. His breaking pitches remain excellent, he has a very good idea of how to pitch, and he gets tons of GBs. Prior to this April, his recent BB rates were low enough that other teams struggled to get anything going against him. As mentioned in the post, even with diminished velocity Felix gives up very title hard contact. That’s a prescription for a near 3.00 ERA pitcher, which I think is quite possible. Late career Glavine was mentioned as a comp, and that seems to me entirely realistic with regard to effectiveness.
Felix had a bad outing recently, but really only two pitches were hit hard, and a couple of errors made the totals far worse than the batted ball outcomes. Feliix never ‘had it’ during that game, and I have to wonder how much that was the result of being left in to 115 pitches to be pulled when he didn’t even have fumes left. Reportedly (if I got it right), when his manager came out then to ask him if he wanted to finish the inning after the final pitch he threw went for a hit Felix said _he didn’t have anything left_ which is very unlike him, so must have been completely true. I suspect he was a bit dead arms his next time out, hence my remarks about his manager needing to avoid that potential.
If there is a cloud of concern in all that it’s Felix’s elevated BB rates for April. These may well be a flutter; even if sustained for a season he might well bounce back (many do).
I don’t think Felix will make it to 80 WAR, no, above all because his K rates look like they will be diminishing from here on out. But I’m far from sure that career WAR is an optimal way to evaluate pitchers (better for batters imo).
Left in _in his previous start_.
Using Bill James’s “Favorite Toy”, it predicts Felix has a 87% chance of reaching 70WAR. It does assume Felix bounces back, but it does give the most weight to last season, where he only had 2.8 War.
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And the csv data, in case anyone is as bored on a Friday as I
Name,Age,250w,300w,70war,80war
Clayton Kershaw,27,47.4,0.212,0.917,0.883
Felix Hernandez,29,0.472,0.162,0.868,0.433
Zack Greinke,31,0.4,0.115,0.642,0.306
David Price,29,0.197,0.02,0.518,0.306
Chris Sale,26,0.011,0,0.458,0.29
Max Scherzer,30,0.183,0.008,0.439,0.244
Cole Hamels,31,0,0,0.306,0.099
Madison Bumgarner,25,0.384,0.179,0.302,0.163
Jon Lester,31,0.096,0,0.264,0.096
Justin Verlander,32,0.02,0,0.204,0
Corey Kluber,29,0,0,0.184,0.077
Jose Quintana,26,0,0,0.181,0.076
Jake Arrieta,29,0.053,0,0.147,0.048
Gerrit Cole,24,0.136,0.013,0.11,0.022
Stephen Strasburg,26,0,0,0.08,0
Dallas Keuchel,27,0.038,0,0.076,0
Chris Archer,26,0,0,0.033,0
Johnny Cueto,29,0.049,0,0.012,0
Jordan Zimmermann,29,0.018,0,0.008,0
CC Sabathia,34,0.204,0,0,0
Bartolo Colon,42,0.203,0,0,0
Rick Porcello,26,0.066,0,0,0
Julio Teheran,24,0.036,0,0,0
Michael Wacha,24,0.012,0,0,0
Jered Weaver,32,0.006,0,0,0
“I always try to give ace pitchers the benefit of the doubt. Of course, at some point, every ace pitcher stops being an ace.”
well, except for Sandy Koufax.
Who instead stopped being a pitcher. Involuntarily, of course.
I personally feel like Felix is a near sure thing to get in. He has been in the more difficult league, and has been about as good as a pitcher has been over the last decade. 5 WAR per year for a decade on average. His decline might be rapid, but as long as it’s not horrific I think the voters won’t skip a generation of pitchers.
Some of you guys need lives. Felix, like all of us is getting older. He has pitched for a long time and the body is feeling it. He also has another life besides baseball(father) and not all his time is spent on conditioning in the off season. The past few years Felix has a decline near the end of the season. Maybe this time he is pacing himself. Or, he may be trying to learn to pitch differently and if so, it does not come over night.. My advice is to stop number crunching, enjoy the game of baseball, Felix is.
Thanks for the advice! Now bye, Felicia
Some of you were born. Feliks, like all of us getting any younger. He is steep for a long time and my body, and I did. There is life outside of baseball (the Father), but not all the time is devoted to air conditioning in the offseason. In recent years, Felix falls on the end of the season. Maybe this time, they’re doing. Or maybe you are trying to learn how to look different, and if so, it does not go all night. My advice to you is to stop the game theory to understand baseball, Felik.
Time and gravity outlast us all. Felix is in the process of coming to terms with that fact.
Unless you can defy time. And create your own gravity.
Look forward to the “We have never seen this David Price” article. He may have killed the future FA market for pitchers
Yep, someone kills the future FA market for pitchers every year or two.