What Matt Harvey Has Lost
I don’t think I need to tell you what Matt Harvey was. Earlier, in his prime, he was a bona fide celebrity, someone whose presence stretched well beyond just his excellent pitching. And, of course, that pitching was excellent. Harvey blossomed as one of baseball’s best starters, and he did so on New York’s massive stage. Given that Harvey is and has been a Scott Boras client, one could envision an enormous free-agent contract down the line. The target would’ve been this very offseason. Boras would’ve extolled Harvey’s many virtues using language only Boras could design.
At this writing, Harvey is 29 years old. Indeed, he found himself represented by Boras on the free-agent market. And he’s agreed to a one-year contract with the Angels, worth at least $11 million, and at most $14 million. In the same market, Nathan Eovaldi was guaranteed $68 million. J.A. Happ was guaranteed $34 million, and Lance Lynn was guaranteed $30 million. Garrett Richards was guaranteed $15.5 million, and he won’t pitch at all next year. Kurt Suzuki was guaranteed $10 million. Jesse Chavez was guaranteed $8 million.
This wasn’t the free agency Harvey or Boras imagined. There are reasons for that. You can squint and still see a similar pitcher. But the years, I’m afraid, have taken their toll.
Not that it’s been a function of the years by themselves. Over the years, though, Harvey’s body hasn’t held up. Even aside from that, Harvey had his many clashes with the people in charge of the Mets, but teams can look past such difficulties when the performance is good. Harvey’s performance hasn’t been good. Maybe it all started with his Tommy John surgery, although he did come back and pitch well in 2015. But then there was surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome. Then there was the scapula stress fracture. Harvey, in 2018, stayed off the DL, but this table says everything that needs to be said.
| Year | Fastball Avg | Fastball Max | wOBA | xwOBA | ERA- | FIP- | xFIP- | Strike% | Contact% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 96.5 | 100.2 | 0.266 | 0.255 | 73 | 79 | 84 | 68% | 76% |
| 2018 | 94.6 | 98.3 | 0.334 | 0.316 | 123 | 111 | 104 | 66% | 80% |
Harvey was better than he was the year before, and he was healthier than he was the year before that. There’s been a drop in velocity, but Harvey still gets his fastball into the mid-90s, so it seems like he should have enough strength in his arm. From time to time, he can still look like the old Matt Harvey. But that 2018 stat line just isn’t good. It’s also not bad — we can agree to look past the ugly ERA. Harvey looked more or less like a league-average starter. The positive spin is that, by xwOBA, he resembled Chris Archer, Luis Castillo, and Madison Bumgarner. The negative spin is that, by xwOBA, he also resembled Tanner Roark, Wade LeBlanc, and Junior Guerra. Depending on your definitions, Harvey might be a No. 3 with a long medical record. Or he might be a No. 4.
But as long as we can remember Matt Harvey’s peak, we can look for reasons for optimism. Consider, for example, the following plots, from Texas Leaguers. On the left, you see Harvey’s pitch movements from 2015. On the right, you see Harvey’s pitch movements from 2018.
Harvey’s actual stuff doesn’t seem so diminished, by that evidence. There’s been a bit of velocity drop, but that’s also a normal part of pitcher aging, and Harvey can still throw hard. His changeup looks like it used to. His slider looks like it used to. His curveball looks like it used to. Harvey has that familiar four-pitch repertoire, and he’s still a guy who throws two-thirds of his pitches for strikes. In here, you might see reason to believe Harvey can bounce back.
Yet I have another plot, this one using data from Baseball Savant. For the four years we have of Statcast information, I pulled up four-seam-fastball spin rates for starting pitchers. Here are Harvey’s year-to-year percentile ranks in the category:
Harvey has dropped from the 80th percentile to the 29th in the span of just a few years. There is more to pitching than four-seam spin rate, and there are pitchers who succeed with low four-seam spin rates, but the four-seam fastball used to be the foundation for Harvey’s success. According to our pitch values, in 2013, Harvey’s fastball was 30 runs better than average. In 2015, it was 18 runs better than average. In 2018, it was six runs worse than average. Harvey’s fastball doesn’t play like it used to, and he hasn’t yet found another way to pitch.
I don’t know what it’s like to occupy Matt Harvey’s body, so I don’t know how he feels. So much of spin rate has to do with specific finger pressure, and one of Harvey’s symptoms from thoracic outlet syndrome was finger numbness. He might not have all the feeling back. He might just not recall exactly how he used to throw. You can see how it might just suddenly click. Harvey might rediscover his old familiar grip and release. If anything, though, the trend has gone in the wrong direction, even as Harvey has put more distance between himself and his surgery. Odds are the spin never comes back. Odds are, then, the old Matt Harvey also never comes back.
Harvey and Boras are looking at 2019 as an opportunity to earn a bigger deal down the road. With a performance improvement, and with continued health, Harvey next offseason could get a far larger commitment. The Angels won’t discourage their new starting pitcher from being optimistic about himself, but the team is also operating as if Harvey is what Harvey has become. He’s being paid like a risky, mid-rotation starter. That’s going to be the role. Harvey slots in behind Andrew Heaney and Tyler Skaggs. He slots in ahead of Jaime Barria, Nick Tropeano, and Felix Pena. JC Ramirez will return at some point. This is a bid for a short-term boost, additional pitching depth for a team that’s had to cycle through innumerable arms. The Angels aren’t the Astros, but they’re close enough to the wild-card hunt, and they don’t want to concede as long as Mike Trout is on the roster. Harvey wasn’t Plan A, but they wouldn’t mind if he threw another 155 innings. Last year’s Angels had only one pitcher get to that mark.
The Angels built incentives into Harvey’s contract, that begin to kick in if he makes enough starts. It’s an acknowledgment of the risk inherent in the player, but it’s a team loaded with risky pitchers, and I guess tradition is tradition. The Angels would be okay if Harvey simply repeats what he did with the Reds. Harvey, of course, wants to blow that out of the water — Harvey grew accustomed to a certain lifestyle before, and no one likes to be diminished. I’m sure the team won’t care where he finds his motivation, just so long as he keeps himself motivated.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.


tldr; He’s lost his spin rate on his 4-seamer. Am I right?
Would be interesting to see if he lost more spin than expected with the velo drop. (I’m assuming that spin and velo have some correlation)
So I’m wrong?
No, you’re right. You effectively communicated your self-importance, meanness, entitlement and toddler-like need to whine when anything at all is not to your liking. It must be such a hardship for you to read well-written and insightful content for free. grorilla, you are truly the colicky soul of the internet. Wah on you crazy diamond.
You’re not wrong, grorilla, you’re just an asshole.
For what it’s worth; Harvey’s Average Spin rate on Four-seamers by month in 2018:
April – 2128
May – 2201
June – 2173
July – 2161
August – 2164
Sept – 2177
Avg Spin Rate in 2015 – 2338
Avg Spin Rate in 2016 – 2232
Avg Spin Rate in 2017 – 2182
I’m sure none of us is surprised that he finds himself on a one-year deal. I am a little surprised how much guaranteed cash he got, though. I guess it’s a reasonable gamble on both sides, and good job for Boras to get it, but I would bet that this is by far the largest AAV he’s going to see for his remaining career.
On the face of it, it’s not an outrageously large sum of money for a back end starter, but I would have expected something cheaper considering all the incentives built in and the risk he blows up again. Last year guys like Garcia and Vargas were getting worse deals than this. Maybe they see something in him that they can fix, that gives him more upside than Anibal Sanchez or Wade Miley or Gio Gonzalez.
I would argue that this is basically the best possible outcome for Harvey in another way: This is a team that has a chance to win some games, but thin enough in the rotation so that he has to completely bomb to fall out of it. And not a teeny stadium like in Cincy. It’s a good situation for him.
would say that yes, while he won’t be in Cincy and that band box, he’s still got several potential road games at Houston and Texas- 2 pretty good hitters parks. And then, there’s the DH.
his numbers-
.271/.317/.466 .783 OPS total
.130/.143/.152 .295 OPS vs pitchers
.282/.331/.492 .823 OPS vs non pitchers
So a .040 difference in what he’s going to see….
I’m just sad we didn’t get to hear Boras talk about how the current landscape of MLB is Gotham and the Dark Knight is here to save us all. Or probably something way more beautiful and insane.
Can you link something about the spin-rate/finger pressure correlation? Sounds intriguing.
Here’s a Driveline piece on grip and spin rate:
https://www.drivelinebaseball.com/2017/11/pitch-grips-changing-fastball-spin-rate/
Weren’t the Angels in on Keuchel too or did I dream that? If they land him the rotation would look a lot better although I’m still not high on Keuchel.
They were, and maybe still are. But he’s not going to sign for a while. With news that the Phillies, Reds, and maybe Angels are still interested, Keuchel isn’t leaving any money on the table by waiting. (I have also seen reporting that the Padres or Nationals are in on him, but neither of those seem to make any sense)
Seems like a great move to me. If pitches poorly the cost is minimal. If he pitches amazingly maybe they make the playoffs. But even if they don’t contend they can almost certainly flip him for some longer term asset at the trade deadline as long as pitches like a #4 starter as he did last year.
I highly doubt they would get anything worthwhile if they traded him in July, unless he pitches significantly better than last year. In 2018 he was only making $5.6 mil, so half of what he’s guaranteed this year. The Reds held onto him at the deadline because there were no worthwhile offers. (Yes, they say they held onto him because they wanted to re-sign him, but there’s no way they turned down a decent prospect for him).
Since he’ll be making twice as much this year, I don’t see any team giving up a decent asset if his ERA, FIP and xFIP are all in the 4’s.
Although I am not an Angels fan, I would love to see Trout play in October, so I hope the Black Night is an all star and gets more than 30 starts.
I wish I could suck at my job for three years and then get an $11-14 million dollar contract for a year.
1) If your definition of sucking is being a number four starter in a Major League team, meaning you’re probably one of the 100-200 best at your job in the world, you must be REALLY good at your job.
2) Of course, you’d have to be drastically underpaid for the seven years before that.
3) Even if you disagree with me on those arguments, you must admit that the Wilpons got FAR more for sucking FAR worse than Harvey could ever manage.
I, for one, don’t care about his performance nearly as much as his attitude and general unwillingness to take his job seriously.
As a Mets fan (doomed as we are) I saw two different Matt Harveys last year while he was pitching for us. There was the good Matt Harvey, mowing hitters down with no one on base. Then there was the dreadful Matt Harvey who lost velocity, movement and command as soon as he had to pitch from the stretch.
I’m not a researcher. I know the math behind the stats, but I wouldn’t begin to know where to find the info. I would love to see the breakdown between no one on and with men on base. If I’m correct, a new pitching coach and a full spring training might be all it takes to turn him around.
That’s a career-long problem for Harvey. His increase of .085 OPS with men on base vs. overall is the 2nd-biggest of any active pitcher with 100+ starts. (#1 is James Paxton, fwiw.)
Even in Harvey’s great 2013 season, his OPS with men on was .093 higher than overall. So I doubt a new pitching coach, etc., is solving that.
Never underestimate the impact of stupidity on performance.
I’m not sure what that means exactly. What kind of lifestyle did he have that he can’t maintain on $11 million a year? I know that is not what he was hoping for, but he has already earned $16 million, and if he can manage to be just mediocre next season, he’ll find someone who will pay him #10 million+ a year for another few years.
There is a dichotomy in my mind I have trouble resolving. On the one hand, I believe MLB players are exploited, especially prior to free-agency. On the other hand, next year Matt Harvey will earn more money than 99.99% of all Americans. It’s true, those earnings will be for only a relatively short time, but after the upcoming season, Harvey’s career earnings will put him near the top 1% in career earnings.