What Tim Hudson Would Do For a Ring

With Robb Nen hanging out at AT&T park, throwing out first pitches and reminding everyone what extreme dedication to the team looks like, it seemed like an obvious question to ask Game Seven starter Tim Hudson: Would you trade your arm for a ring? After all, any Giants fan remembers how Nen put everything he had left into the Giants’ 2002 run to the World Series — his career ended with surgery that winter.

Hudson didn’t hesitate one moment. “Absolutely. This point in my career, yeah. Who knows how many more innings I have left in this old arm. If I could trade what I have left for a title, damn right I would.”

At first glance, this isn’t a very FanGraphs-like quote. It’s the stuff of post-game writeups should Hudson grit out a championship performance. On the other hand, there’s just a little inside baseball hidden within the statement.

For one, despite being the oldest pitcher in the World Series, Hudson has enjoyed a postseason velocity boost on par with James Shields, who is seven years younger. So the oldest man to start a Game Seven has already been trying pretty hard this postseason.

The shape of Hudson’s cutter has also changed, suggesting he’s fine with it turning into more of a slider as the end of the season approaches. During the season, it averaged an inch of vertical movement by PITCHf/x. That’s already over four inches more drop than your average cutter, and more in line with an average slider. This postseason, Hudson’s cutter is dropping over an inch more according to BrooksBaseball. That’s fine for an old man, perhaps, but the Orioles banned the baby slider from their organization, and there’s a possibility it leads to velocity loss. No skin off Hudson’s elbow.

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There’s also a chance that he’s throwing the splitter more. Back during the season, Hudson told us that he throws the changeup most of the time and saves his splitter for two-strike counts. It looked like the splitter averaged around 81-82 mph with more drop than the change, which sat around 84 — and this postseason, Hudson has been sitting much closer to the lower end of that velocity range with what classifications call his splitter. Some think the splitter puts more stress on your arm (more on that in The Hardball Times annual).

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And though he’s not in the obvious pain that Nen was feeling, there is something going on with Hudson. Before his first start, he was asked about his hip — both of them have actually showed up on his injury reports this year. Hudson admitted he was working on some of the regular aches and pains (“Just some things with the trainer, I don’t want to go into a lot of details, but just a lot of stretching, lot of strengthening of some areas”) but then finished with a hint that maybe it’s a little worse than normal — “Medicine is a beautiful thing (laughter). I’ll leave it at that.”

In the end, though, Hudson is right about his age. In what might be the “post-PED” era, we’ve seen 17 pitchers start a game over the age of 40. They’ve averaged 390 innings over the rest of their careers. Considering he’s already under contract for next year and would be projected for about a win above replacement in 2016, he’d probably be leaving a one-year $10 million contract on the table on average, should he trade his arm for a ring.

You can tell that Tim Hudson is prepared to do what it takes to win Game Seven tonight. And even if he doesn’t have to Robb Nen his career to do it, it’s the sort of dedication that makes the World Series special. There is no doubt — these players will be trying their very hardest tonight.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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Antonio Bananas
11 years ago

Always been a big fan of Hudson. I was sure that his career was done after his horrific injury in Atlanta. Glad he’s in this position though.

tz
11 years ago

Saw that injury happen, and felt sick. It would be an awesome finish to a really good career.

Avattoir
11 years ago

Three words: Grover. Cleveland. Alexander.

Bonus comment: The Hudson’s have 3 children.* THREE! You’d think this it’d be worth one of ’em, anyway; after all, it’s BASEBALL!!!!

(*Plus they can always adopt.)

Here goes nothing
11 years ago

Obviously that over forty group only gets there by being very good at pitching in the first place, but you have to admit they (as a group) don’t look like such a bad investment.

And–rooting so hard for Huddy. Just want it for him.

ElJimador
11 years ago

Hudson’s performance this postseason is to me the most surprising part of the Giants run. Anyone who watched him in the second half this year and especially in September would have never pegged him for 19.1 innings, an 0.93 whip and 15:1 K:BB in his 3 playoff starts so far. Just hope that whatever combination of medicine, luck, wily veteran-ness or whatever else has been fueling it can hold up for one more game.

vince
11 years ago
Reply to  ElJimador

Speak for yourself. This is exactly what I pegged him for, with the lone exception of a .92 WHIP.

ElJimador
11 years ago
Reply to  vince

Really? When he couldn’t get out of the 2nd inning in that 17-0 debacle vs. the Dodgers, this is what you were expecting?

Matt
11 years ago
Reply to  vince

I didn’t know it was Monday morning.

dfa
11 years ago

Watched him pitch against my team in the nl east for years. He was a model for consistency, somethign the pitchers on my team always lacked. The Braves have always been stacked with pitching but he stood out even in those rotations. I’m looking forward to seeing him give it ALL he’s got tonight, seeing him throw away his reputation of longevity will make the game all the more exciting.

glib
11 years ago

Timmy do the right thing. Go to Bruce and tell him he should start Bumgarner. You will be available for 13th through 19th innings. You have been hittable, hittable, hittable in the last two months.

Avattoir
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

This is like Lesson #46,397 in that underground best-seller, ‘How To Post Glib-erish’.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago
Reply to  glib

Have you not been watching the last month of playoffs? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=hudsoti01&t=p&post=1

Hudson in 19.1 IP so far, has given up 18 hits (hardly “hittable, hittable, hittable”), 1 walk, and gotten 15 K’s. Only 1 HR. .628 OPS by opposing playoff teams (.243/.263/.365 batting line).

glib
11 years ago

we will find out soon enough. delighted if I will be proven wrong. But:

– postseason ERA 3.72 (too high with all KC hands on deck)
– Post All Star 4.73 (too high)
– September 8.72

very unhappy about this choice.

Timothy
11 years ago

Like all of America outside of the Bay Area, I’ll be rooting for KC tonight. If the Giants do win, I’m going to focus on the fact that I like Tim Hudson a lot and will be happy for him winning.

That said, Go Royals!

eno's revenge
11 years ago
Reply to  Timothy

I’m about as far from the Bay Area as you can get and I’m certainly not rooting for the Royals.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago

Hudson has been the best pitcher besides Bumgarner for the Giants this post-season. He delivered good sabermetric games in his first two starts (per PQS) and aside from his amp up in Game 3 for first two innings, was good after he settled down. So that gives me hope for this game, his performance this post-season and our bullpen.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
11 years ago

Thanks for all the great articles on the Giants this post-season, really have enjoyed them, and learned a lot beyond usual media outlets, much appreciated!

Deevo
11 years ago

What Meatloaf wont do for a World Series ring: That

Ruki Motomiya
11 years ago

But what would he do for a Klondike Bar?

Bruce Chen
11 years ago

Whatever happens tonight, I still don’t get a ring 🙁

Not even a half-assed lap dance :((

andy
11 years ago

Not sure how to say this.. As a giants fan i still remember Dave Dravecky and am kind of put off by the question of would you you trade your arm for a ring. Granted if this article was about jeremy guthrie i probably wouldn’t have the same reaction. Anyway, i love your analysis eno, i think your one of the best, breaking down pitchers.

tz
11 years ago
Reply to  andy

I’m thinking Dravecky would be fine with it, maybe even crack a joke about it in the euphoria of the Giants’ victory.

If you want to find someone even tougher than Madison Bumgarner, you only need to look at Dave Dravecky.

Dolemite
11 years ago

Is Hudson a HoFer now that he has that ring?
Prob not first ballot but he sneaks in right?

RadermecherMember since 2018
11 years ago

Wonderful to see Mr Hudson get his well deserved ring.Good Job.

Yosted
11 years ago

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