What Type of Baseball Dork Are You?
This isn’t going to be one of those online quizzes where you answer a few questions and then some script determines what you are based on your feedback. This is a quiz where you answer one question, a question you might never have been asked before. Maybe you’re going to learn something about yourself. We’re all put here to learn about ourselves.
It should go without saying that, for the most part, FanGraphs is selective for baseball dorks. Sure, casual fans find themselves here from time to time, but mostly, we cater to people who just want to think about baseball in between all of the baseball. That requires a certain intensity, a certain passion for the material, and it’s why we’re sometimes able to write about such complicated subjects without constantly stopping to explain ourselves. The audience is smart, and all of us are dorks.
But it didn’t really occur to me until recently that there might be types of dorks. I was talking with a baseball acquaintance on the phone, and at one point I explained that I’m a pitching guy, more than I’m a hitting guy. I’m personally just more interested in pitching than hitting, and I get more excited by pitching than hitting, and this probably ends up reflected in what I publish. For example, I just can’t get enough of those damned pitch comps. They’re like Pringles to me. Sometimes it gets a little out of control, but I am who I am.
I identify most as a pitcher dork. Which is to say, I most dork out over mechanical breakdowns, or new-pitch developments, or a perfectly-located changeup that gets the hitter way out in front. Much of the beauty I see in the game is thrown, and not hit, and I’d much rather watch a no-hitter than a slugfest. I prefer to focus on pitchers in my analysis, and I prefer to focus on pitchers during games, and I’m going to go ahead and guess this is largely because I used to be a pitcher, and when I went up to bat once in high school, my coaches told me they’d never let it happen again.
I’m a pitcher dork, but that’s not all there is. I asked Dave Cameron, and he said he most identifies as a hitter dork. Again, a significant reason is probably that Dave used to be a position player, and not a pitcher. But he sees a lot of the beauty coming off of the bat. Where I might rewind a perfect breaking ball in my head, Dave might rewind perfect contact. A hitter dork might dork out over a hitter’s mechanical breakdown. You might be interested in tweaks, or exit velocities and launch angles. Pitchers are out there as the favorites; they always have the better odds. The hitter is the underdog, but sometimes the underdog gets the better of the favorite and sends the ball out to dead center. It’s a hell of a thing to be able to do, hit. Any of us can throw. Good hitting is practically magic.
When I was first thinking about this, I figured a person would have to identify more as either a pitcher dork or a hitter dork. But when I asked August Fagerstrom, he said he most identifies as a defender dork. So that’s three answers from three people. August said defense is what he likes to watch and write about the most, and, one more time, as a partial explanation he pointed to the fact that defending was the thing he did best in his playing days.
I understand this, though. Think about what happens on the field during a play. The pitcher is in complete control — he can throw what he wants, when he wants, and he’s not reacting to anything. The hitter then has to react to the pitcher, but at least the hitter has a good sense of the general area where the ball is going to be. If you’re standing up there, you pretty much know the pitched baseball is going to be somewhere around the plate, somewhere between 70 and 100 miles per hour. When the ball’s in play, though, defenders have to react, even though the play itself is unpredictable. When a pitch is in flight, it could turn into any kind of batted ball, to any spot. So defenders have to be ready for anything, and defenders are the only players who do things that get called acrobatic.
There’s real beauty in defense. It’s worth dorking out. So as I see it now, you’re either a pitcher dork, a hitter dork, or a defender dork. It’s not about appreciating one, and not the others; my hypothesis is just that there’s one you appreciate more than the others. We all have our preferences, whether they come from our playing histories, or whether they’re independent. (Or whether there is no playing history. You don’t need to have played baseball to like baseball.)
Here’s maybe a quick way to find your own answer, in case you’re having a little trouble. Below are three videos. Which do you like watching the most? Which would you most be willing to watch over and over, locked in a room, for the rest of your life? That ought to tell you what type of dork you are. Don’t fret about identifying yourself as any kind of dork. It’s not intended as a pejorative. You’re a baseball dork. Welcome to this community of baseball dorks.
Speak out! Be proud.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
I expected (guessed) a 60/30/10 split for pitching/defense/hitting. Interesting results so far.
So you’re a “poll guessing dork”…
I totally misread your name as “Ramon Troncoso” at first glance.
Pitching dork confirmed.
I suppose I’m a hitter dork though when I played I couldn’t hit or pitch but could field a little and I’d much rather watch a masterfully pitched 1-0 game than a 10-8 slug fest. However in general I would say I have a bit more appreciation for hitting than anything else.
I don’t know if I’m alone on this, but the question and the videos just don’t align for me. The defense video is the most fun to watch, but I’m a hitting dork, all the way.
I agree. A video of Vlad Guerrero hitting balls in the dirt or Adrian Beltre’s one-knee homers would be more fitting, I think.
I was going to say the opposite–I think I’m more of a pitching dork (in reality probably both, but for the sake of discussion slight edge to pitching), but just seeing the out pitch on 17 batters doesn’t really demonstrate the beauty of pitching to me, much of which lies in sequencing and setups. And on the other hand, Miggy hits are poetry in motion, plain and simple.
Not even kidding, but I’m a defense dork, and I thought the hitting and defense videos were unfairly matched up against one of the greatest pitching performances of all time (considering the era).
I scrolled down half expecting a comment to that effect to be made, but as it turns out, I’m the scissors in a rock-paper-scissors trio of essentially opposite views on the matter!
Yeah, I’m definitely a pitcher dork, but I’d rather watch great defense highlights than any other kind of highlights.
yeah I would say the same except I’m a pitching guy, without a doubt, Kerry Wood’s 20 K game is my favorite highlight of all time (have you ever watched it in it’s entirety? It’s beautiful.) But defensive highlights are, for the most part, more fun to watch.
I’m a meatball. I played first base. I like bombs (and all other parts of hitting as well).
Defense ain’t bad though, and I actually enjoy the slow, crafty pitchers as well.
I went with pitching. When I’m on this site I deep dive into the pitching side while I stay with more of the basic sabermetric hitting stats.
When watching, I want the best of both worlds. I want a 6-0 victory for my team. Give me some offense and runs, maybe a homerun or two. Yet my team’s SP better provide a great pitching performance with some good defense.
hope you’re not a Rockies fan!
I like watching pitching on TV. But when I have a bad angle at the ballpark I want to see dingers, diving defensive grabs, and 300 ft throws home.
Agreed. In general, I identify as a pitcher dork (with some defense dork mixed in), but at the ballpark I’d rather have an interesting 10-9 slugfest than a 1-0 shutout, unless said shutout also involves a no-hitter or perfect game.
Basically, at a live game it’s more about the experience, while on TV I can do a better job of analyzing things like a pitcher’s delivery, movement, command, etc.
Yeah, good point, but on the rare day I get dugout seats I find that – angle aside – I can really appreciate an ace on the mound. Scoring helps, too, in keeping me focused on the art of how the pitcher is dealing.
But true about good angles, I watched that video of Felix’s 9-pitch 3-K inning a million times because you could see how insanely varied all his pitches were, much more – I’d imagine – than if live.
So basically we are every kind of dork. Watching Marte or Polanco (I’m Pirates fan) throw on TV is impressive, but at the game it defies my daily experience of physics.
I can agree with this 100%. Pitching analysis live at the park is very difficult to pull off unless you’re actually behind home plate, and even then it’s a very different experience from what you might be used to watching on TV. I do sometimes like analyzing nuances in mechanics live more than on TV, since you get a better sense of scale and motion with your eyes than through a camera lens positioned 450 feet away from home plate, but in general… no.
In person, hitting is exciting! Defense is even more exciting, but unfortunately less common. Probably the second most enjoyable moment I’ve had at a ballpark was watching Jackie Bradley Jr make a running catch in right field not 15 feet from where I was sitting and then promptly double up the runner on third (who was tagging and headed for home). (most exciting btw was a Donaldson 3 run walk-off homer in Oakland) Infield defensive spectacles are always fantastic to watch, especially from a slightly higher angle (200/300 level infield seats in most parks). Seeing good defense in person really drives home how incredibly difficult the game is, since the camera angles and fast cuts on TV radically under-sell the reaction times and agility required to be a strong defender.
Honestly, I think a lot of this is just coming from the fact that I’m after a different experience when I watch a game in person vs on TV, and I feel like that’s one of the strengths of baseball as a sport.
But based on the clips above… I can’t *not* get chills watching Pedro be completely unfair.
I am really a catcher defense dork because we know so little about it. (Granted, I was a catcher, so I might be biased.)
I was gonna say that catcher defense dork probably deserves its own sub category.
What about bullpen/bullpen usage dork as a special case on pitching dork, too?
baserunning dork
And the sub-sub-category pinch running dork.
I, too, was a catcher so I think it’s like a hybrid dork. I really love when good catchers work with good pitchers to set up hitters. But then I also love when hitters figure out the sequence and sit on a pitch. I’m a mental dork. I’m also a Cardinal fan. I suck.
This. Catcher dork here. Definitely deserves it’s own category, but it may be one that only former catchers can appreciate. Nothing like calling a great game.
Hitting, 100%. And it has actually caused me to lose interest in watching over the past few years, because the current low-scoring environment of MLB is just soooooo boring to watch. There’s nothing interesting about watching a pitcher throw ankle-high fastballs and get rewarded with strike calls. Pitching is a lot of fun to watch when the pitcher has to dance around a batter’s wheelhouse or ACTUALLY challenge the hitter right down the middle, but that hasn’t been the case in MLB for the better part of a decade now.
All three, all day.
You’re making me late for work.
Dork of all three, which is why I’m mediocre at analyzing them all. Generalists unite!
Yep, I am just a baseball dork. All 3 types of plays make me go “oooohhhh” to an equal degree. And I hate all my friends who love soccer but say baseball is boring. wut??
I’m fielding all the way…its always my strong suit when I play, and I find the development and evolution of defensive stats to be the most interesting to read. Give me Simmons and Carlos Beltran defensive highlights anytime.
Hitting. I can easily recall the feel of the bat in my hands when I made solid contact. That last happened 40-50 years ago.
I LIKE THEM ALL!!!
Definitely base running! Stolen bases, infield hits, 1st to 3rd…this is the good stuff.
There’s something insanely beautiful about the perfect jump
Defense dork here, probably because in my limited playing in like cub scout baseball, I was mostly stashed in right field and got to mostly watch my team play defense. ;-p
For me it’s the holding of the breath will he/won’t he/how’d he even… on great defensive plays.
By bobbleheads owned, I am 50/50 defense dork and pitching dork. Sorry hitters, you got shut out!
(But that’s only because a Pence thrice-hit-2012-nlcs bobblehead doesn’t exist.)
Mostly a mascot dork, really. Orbit has been a godsend.
Orbit is pretty great, but at best he cancels out Dinger and the Phanatic.
Never forget: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12876146
(Actually, I am totally gonna watch that right now. ;-p)
Oh ha, I forgot, THIS is the never forget punchline: http://www.gaslampball.com/2015/6/5/8739263/two-padres-who-attacked-giants-anti-mascot-in-1984-revealed
None of the above. Since I never played baseball, and I’ve had a passion for rotissere baseball dating back to the early 90’s, I find myself to be an analytics dork. Whether it’s FIP, BABIP, or any other advanced stat category, I find myself riveted by sites like this one.
I’d identify as a “numbers” dork more than anything.
I only played baseball through 9th grade (not very successfully), and was more of a casual fan through age 35 or so (resident of Iowa, so no strong team affiliation).
But the last 8ish years I’ve lived in Richmond VA, and last 5ish latched on to the Nats, and in the process of following them I’ve also discovered Fangraphs, Baseball Reference, etc.
I love the advanced metrics nature of the game, whether it be explaining the past or predicting the future. I get excited about new forms of metrics, whether it’s launch angles/speed for hitting, spin rate/movement for pitching, or catcher framing and other defensive metrics.
This more generalized love for the “numbers of baseball” may be the case for a lot of us Fangraphs readers, I guess… or especially those of us that didn’t see a lot of success on the field, and may be the dorkiest of numbers dorks off the field (I should mention I’m an actuary).
Not to get into the weeds (but that’s why we’re here, no?) I’d say I’m a power-dork; power hitting and power pitching. I appreciate a perfect double-play, a great diving catch, quality bunt, stolen base or extra base hit in the gap, but for me watching vintage Pedro blow a 97 MPH by a guy and then dot the corner with his curve or change, or Jose Fernandez or the Mets current Trio is exciting for me. Or watching Manny and Ortiz in 2003/2004, Griffey Jr. in his prime, or Toronto now. That’s what I dork out on.
It’s hard to argue that anything is more impressive or fun to watch than the truly spectacular defensive plays. However, for those of us (most?) who appreciate baseball through the lens of a box score more often than the lens of a video camera, it’s nearly impossible to appreciate defense on a game-to-game basis. Spectacular pitching and hitting performances can speak to us through single game statistics, but spectacular fielding performances can’t.
TLDR: If I could watch every game in person or on TV, I’d vote defense, but I find great pitching to be more fun to follow via stats and analytics.
I am, in the following order:
1. An OBP dork (especially if you get more walks than strikeouts, you’re on my team)…
2. A WHIP dork (your WHIP is under 1.10? You’re drafted!)…
3. A Blue Jays dork…
Defence is fine when watching the game live/on TV, and is important for, say, the team I want to win, but on paper never played a league that counts defence, so…
4. A Canadian dork. 😉
(What can I say, you opened yourself up for that by dropping your defence 😉
That’s MR. Canadian dork to you ;). We’ll see who gets that final word during the Nats (meaning Expos)-Jays WS this year…
I like defense a lot because that was my strength, but great pitching and hitting are just as exciting. I suppose that is why we all love baseball so much, it’s got so many “flavors”. Like Ken Burns said, “It is a leisurely game that demands blinding speed. The only game in which the defense has the ball. It follows the seasons, beginning each year with the fond expectancy of springtime, and ending with the hard facts of autumn. It is a haunted game, in which every player is measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before. Most of all, it is about time and timelessness. Speed and grace. Failure and loss. Imperishable hope. And coming home.”
When it comes to hitting, I think I like to dork out on two things:
1. making fun of goofy batting stances or other batters box nonsense. The Ortiz, the (pooper) Rowand, etc.
2. swing at anything types hitting things that shouldn’t be hit. As a Giants fan, I loved to hate/hated to love prime Panda hacks.
3. oh, and I’ll grant occasional consideration to the Pretty Swing (i.e. the Posey.)
Insert players from your team of choice or the past as you see fit. Vlad/Votto for 2/3 for example.
To answer this, I had to parse my “dorkiness” from my “nerdiness.” To me, the latter describes an enthusiasm for numbers and trends, and with that in mind it’s easier to “nerd-out” over pitching and hitting because we have good established metrics for both. But I’d say my “dorkiness” is the way I fantasize about making cool plays, have an internal alternate life where I’m a dope MLB player, make unconscious baseball moves when I’m standing around waiting for coffee to brew, etc. In that sense, I’m mostly a defense dork. Hitting and pitching are fascinating, but I get more giddy for a rangy/slick/flashy defensive play, even if it only occurred in my mind.
This was exactly my problem. While I use “geekiness” where you use “nerdiness,” nerding is probably the more appropriate term. I’m prone to dorking out over/geeking out about/gushing over defense, but nerding on stats/metrics.
Defense and hitting originally. In college I thought all pitchers were pretty much worthless (I roomed with one for a year who wasn’t far off the meathead pitcher in Bull Durham and the rest on the team were other meatheads, flakes and weirdos, and none were drafted). Over the years since then I have come to appreciate intelligent pitching, so now I’m into a mix of defense, pitching and hitting. I prefer Andrelton Simmons to Bryce Harper by far, though.
I answered hitting dork but I think my dorkness evolved over time.
I was specifically a Pirates dork, but more an overall numbers dork now.
Evolved from Maddux types dork to power SO/ground
Ball dork.
Evolved from a power dork to an OBP dork.
I was a pitcher’s dork but more a hitter’s dork now.
Also would like another option : prospects dork.
We are an unusual kind, usually from sad losing teams, but a strong dorkness resides in us.
I’d like to say I’m a bat flip dork, but mostly I really enjoy statistics in general, which is why I like baseball.
Hockey has more action (don’t lie to yourself, you know it’s true), but baseball is measurable like nothing else, and so for me, when a player does something particularly noteworthy in baseball and you can easily compare that to other players and stats, what’s what I enjoy.
Self-reporting as a defense dork because it would include both great glove play and awesome throws (I’ve watched Ichiro, Vlad, Yoenis, Bo highlights as much as anyone).
I will say though, that when watching a game in person I geek out over stolen bases more than anything.
On the stats side, I’m undeniably a hitting dork. I love hitting statistics and trends. I’ve got an excel spreadsheet to calculate a stat line with variable k%, bb%, ISO, homers, etc.
But in terms of single game performances, pitching is king. I go into every game hoping for a 20 strikeout outing. Watching the top pitchers work is more appealing than watching the top hitters rake.
OK, Maybe another category here, but I’m probably mostly a “Strategy” dork. Things like why that lineup? Why that Reliever? Hit-and-run here? or no? Safety Squeeze? I love to see these decisions and why. Baseball is more of a chess match than any other active sport I can think of.
Of the three options available, I can get goosebumps over a masterful changeup, so I picked pitching.
Fun article.
Defense dork. Like a lot of folks, when I played baseball, defense was my strong suit, and now I like defense best as an adult. Never got a chance to pitch, and my hitting…well, let’s say I got on base from HBP more than actually having the bat make contact with the ball.
It would be an interesting poll to also check how many readers actually played baseball when they were younger, and perhaps see how well that compares to their preference now. You could even see if a favourite player plays a similar position: possibly people gravitate towards a position because of that player, or appreciate players more because of their own play experience.
I think level becomes very significant there. I bet almost all of us played baseball, but someone like me who never played above little league is very different than someone who played even D3 college.
How about being a baseball strategy dork? Pinch hitting, lineup setting, pitching management (both how to best utilize your rotation as well as bullpen), defensive shifts, double switches, intentional walks, pitch outs, bunting, and the how, when, and where of all of these actions, plus any number of other actions. All of those specific things won’t necessarily make a huge difference over the course of the season, but it seems they can influence the outcomes of individual games if only on a micro level.
I have a thing with pitchers. Definitely pitching dork.
I’ve never really identified as one of these three types of dork over another. I just love watching talented baseball players doing talented baseball things, whether it’s with a bat or with a glove or with a hand (a pitcher’s hand, specifically).
…but…if I absolutely HAD to choose, I’d say I’m a pitching dork. Nothing makes me as giddy or gets my blood pumping like watching a beautiful, museum-worthy pitch, like Chris Archer’s slider, or Clayton Kershaw’s curveball. Goosebumps.
I’m a categorization dork.
Pitching/Hitting I like good defensive plays as much as the next guy but hard to evaluate with the naked eye. I would like a Bondsian type of pitcher to emerge at some point (there was this one guy named Clemens) with 5 15 WAR seasons in a row or what have you.
Watching a game where everyone strikes out is incredibly boring. Hitting all the way.
I classify myself as a pitching dork (former pitcher, definitely biased), but boy do I love watching dingers
Hitting dork, but I love the other stuff too.
I’m an umpire dork. I’m there to see Joe West.
LMAO!
Whatever it is, I’m a dork.
I’m a hitting dork. Not a walking dork, walks suck.
I’m honestly not sure how to phrase this, but I don’t really think of myself as a dork for hitting or fielding or pitching themselves. I can appreciate all of them, but I’m a dork for any player who does something hilariously better than everyone else. So while base running in general doesn’t get me fired up, watching Dee Gordon run is awesome. Hitting and pitching are more nuanced. Kluber’s breaking ball or Kershaw’s slider are more interesting to me than pitching in general (Kershaw obviously does everything so well that watching his whole game is fun), and I love me some Joey Votto. For the most part I don’t notice or really care about fielding, but Simmons makes me sit up and pay attention. Watching Cliff Lee just not walk anybody. Stanton dingers. Kiermaier running down a ball in the gap.
Braves Fan: I grew up a pitching fan obviously in the 90’s as a kid it would be impossible not to be. Then in the 2000’s, in my high school days I preferred the long ball with all the Bonds/Sosa/McGuire “stuff” going on. But my resurgence of interest over the past 5 years, I think has been fueled by how under valued defense and base running are. My appreciation of how awesome Andruw Jones was in center for decade and then watching Heyward and Simmons every night, well not anymore(C’est la vie!). Still, I love a good RH homerun swing(J. Upton, Mike Trout, Stanton).
I’m a all those video links are purple dork. Getting sucked into YouTube baseball highlights for hours is a great use of half a work day.
I don’t understand why more people aren’t defender dorks. Also hitter dorks only polling at 25% seems preposterous. Chicks dig the long ball!
Pitching, once you comp, the fun don’t stop!
What if you’re a prospect dork? Or in the case of Cistulli, a fringe-prospect dork?
I’m a roster-construction dork. Secondarily I’m a pitching dork.
It’s impossible to look at a pitcher in a vacuum. One can’t say that a particular pitcher is going to be better next year because he is getting an extra x% break on his curve, generating y% more grounders if his infield is Tony Womack, Dan Uggla, Nick Castellanos and cursed-glove Jose Galindo. So I like to see how all the parts fit together.
And it’s fascinating to me that something unmeasured and seemingly simple as moving to the edge of the rubber can turn a journeyman into a dominating reliever like Jeff Manship.
I hate to say this, but I’m more of an “unbelievable stats” dork. What I really geek out on is just plowing through Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth seasons, or Ted Williams career (.482) OBP, or most walks in a no hitter, or Randy Johnson appearances on single season k/9 leader boards, or Dennis Eckersley 1989 (0.602 WHIP, 18.3 K/BB), or striking out the side on 9 pitches, or being the first team to spend $100M on a 100 loss season (I’m a Mariners fan), worst O-swing/Z-swing ratios for hitters.
When I watch baseball, I like to see great stuff. Slick defense, beautiful pitching, blistering line drives, tense and dramatic moments. But what I dork out on are the numbers.
Oh, no, that is all of us. We all can look at Bonds’ or Pedro’s pages and get our blood pumping at nothing but some selectively bolded tables of numbers.
We are weird weird humans, all of us.
Yep.
My favorite unbelievable stats factoid is still this one:
In 1948, Lou Boudreau’s WAR (10.9) was greater than his strikeout total (9). Not bad for a manager 😉
A Craig Swan dörk.
Who is this?
He used to pitch for New Yörk.
OK, time to stick a förk in it.
Who made you boss? Put a cörk in it.
Asshole Craig Swan
We’ve got a shit-ton of GM dorks, I was expecting that as an option! And manager dorks. I guess I’m pitching + manager.
Pitching dork. I love the variations of windups, arm angles, and movement of the pitches. I obsessed over learning how to throw every type of pitch. I even got pissed at a high school teammate for bragging about his “sinker,” only to watch him spin curveball after curveball over the plate.
Does it make me even more of a dork that I have also obsessed over learning how to throw every kind of pitch… despite not playing any organized baseball above little league, and doing much of my practice alone at a park?
Having typed that question, it is now apparent I did not need to ask it.
Anyway, I so wish I knew someone like you or me, who I could go throw with who also is interested in spin axis, useful spin, mechanics, arm pronation, etc etc.
Oh my, Simmons by a mile. I stopped the Cabrera homer countdown at number 43. 😉 I watched and enjoyed all of Pedro. But Simmons, lunging backwards to tag second, or throwing a bullet from way too deep in the hole–couldn’t take my eyes off that. Truth is, I like all of baseball. But there’s a fundamental difference in these skills. A great fielding play can be savored in isolation. Hitting, in contrast, is mostly memorable because of the setting. You can’t appreciate a walk off fully unless you are caught up in the drama of the moment. Pitching appreciation is somewhere in between–partly a thing of intrinsic beauty, like Pedro’s astonishing breaking pitches, and partly dependent on the “leverage” of a situation. If someone says “Carlton Fisk,” you probably remember a particular moment: 1976, Game 6 of the World Series, 12th inning, and Fisk willing his drive to stay fair. If someone says “Ozzie Smith,” you probably get a quick flashback of a backflip and just smile and say, “Yeah, I watched him play”…
Right now as a resident of Arizona, I’m an oh-god-baseball-is-here-day-drinking-and-just-seeing-baseball-of-any-kind kind of dork.
The other 11 months of the year, the light hitting 2B deep down inside of me wants to say defense dork, but enjoying great pitching is the thing I love most about the season.
I’m definitely a defender dork.
… which has made being a Mariners’ fan these past few years has been even more painful. But I have high hopes this season will be better.
I looked at the three choices and thought “am I a three-way dork?” But then that sounded really lurid. I love watching great defensive plays more than anything, so I guess that makes me a defender dork. I think FG readers like to find the underappreciated and undervalued aspects of the game, or to look for new ways to measure value and success, which is dorky only to the casual fan.
By the way, I’m also an announcer dork, growing up listening to Denny Matthews and his straightforward approach with understated humor, and then to Vin Scully and his magical ability to never say the same thing twice. MLB streaming makes them all available now, so I get to compare and contrast, which is one of the most fun things for me.
I’m bi-dorkal and out of closet about it.
I kissed a nerd and I liked it.
#NotGraphsDork
Change your profile link to this: http://www.banknotesindustries.com
Decide for yourself how successful it is at it, but it is where, if anywhere, Notgraphs has its second life.
Done. I’m ready to move on. Things change, like Bryce was saying.
#NotGraphsLives #KeepNotGraphs.
balk dork here
Dork dork.
I feel like it would be disingenuous to label myself as anything but a defense dork, considering I wrote this:
http://www.banknotesindustries.com/expert-like-analysis/andrelton-and-me/
However, in terms of what I actually think about the most, and what I spend the most time studying, and what I spend the most time doing against a wall in my backyard, there is no question I am 100% pitcher dork. I love watching great defense, but what I really dork out about is pitching.
What about the dorks who like the management side of baseball: transactions, prospects, projections? Those dorks are baseball dorks too. Me, I like everything about baseball, but what made me a baseball dork first was Hershiser’s impossible scoreless inning streak, and his kneeling to pray on the field, like he was in church. After the strike and steroids drove me away, what brought me back to MLB was Mariano Rivera, sobbing alone on the mound while the rest of the Yankees celebrated with Boone at home plate. Can you be a narrative dork?
Anyone who listens to Effectively Wild is at least a little bit of a metagame dork, which I think includes what you mentioned.
To me the most beautiful play in baseball is an outfielder throwing an absolute laser to cut a guy down. Rick Ankiel is my spirit animal.
I guess that makes me a defence dork.
I most identify with line-drive/contact hitters with an advanced approach (which, not coincidentally, was what I was best at as a high school player). Nothing quite like taking a 1-2 slider down and away to get me jazzed up about baseball!
If I had my choices, as a Dodger fan, I would go Kershaw’s (perfect game) no hitter, Matt Kemp’s 39 HR in 2011, and any season of Adrian Beltre’s fielding.
The choice for the choices presented or what I said would be the pitchers just dominating, though.
As a Yankees fan I couldn’t be locked in a room with that video. In general though, definitely a pitcher dork. Sexiest pitch to me is a well placed two-seam.
A righty slinging one at the belt of a left-handed batter and getting it to dart across right onto the upper-inside corner of the plate… mmmm delicious.
I would happily *watch* that Andrelton Simmons video on a loop for the rest of my life.
However, being forced to *listen* to Chip Caray on a continuous loop would be its own special kind of hell.
This was way more interesting than I expected, because it turns out I’m a defense dork, which I never realized until just now.
How about a “grittiness dork”?
Definitely.
I’m a total defender dork. I could never hit for any power when I played in rec leagues, and I never pitched.
But I loved to play center field. Out there I could imagine that I was Paul Blair, my favorite center fielder of all time. Something about running down a long fly ball and watching the arc of the ball as I tracked it. Sometimes I made a great catch, sometimes I didn’t. I always reminded myself out there: “Be aggressive. Go for it. Try to make that shoe string catch. Don’t bail out and play it safe.”
And though I had a pretty good throwing arm, I always got a thrill from seeing the great arms of my lifetime throwing out base runners trying to stretch a hit.
Clemente, Dewey Evans, Ichiro. Too many great arms to remember.
And finally, I still jump up out of my seat and shout “Yes!” when I see a great relay throw or a double play executed perfectly.
So I thought my answer would be hitting (cuz that’s what I spend most of my time reading/thinking about on this site) but I couldn’t get enough of the Pedro clip and the Simmons clip.
I realized that I enjoy watching good (flashy) defense but don’t pretend to understand its analysis, and I enjoy analyzing hitters but don’t love to watch clips of it. Is that weird?
No, I don’t think so. I think that might mean you’re are even more a hitting dork, since it doesn’t wow and surprise you as much as fascinate you. I’m 100% pitching dork but that Andrelton clip does something to my jimmies. However, I’m not that compelled to really dig into what he’s doing, whereas I’ll think about where Garrett Richards places his middle finger and how much pressure he puts on it in order to achieve the spin rate he gets on his curveball.
I’m an irony dork. Like how the indisputable best player in the game is right now the indisputable second-most exciting player to watch on his team.
Still can’t get over that force out Simmons did on Yelich. Might be his best play of the bunch, and it didn’t involve his platinum arm one bit.
I’m a ditching pork (yuck yuck). It’s just easier to dissect. And I love it.
I’m the kind Goose Gossage doesn’t like. Now if you’ll excuse me I’ve wasted too much time here. I have to get back to ruining the game.
I’m a cricket dork, but I come here because this is how I would like to talk about cricket.
That said, I identify as a pitching dork.
I’m a hitter nerd, but I tend to focus on the absurd hitting feats. Things like an Evan Gattis triple or a Ben Revere home run.
I’m a hitting dork, but not necessarily a homer dork. Many times, when the ball leaves the bat, you know it’s gone. No suspense. My favorite play in all of baseball? A double to the gap with a runner on first. You have hitting, plus the suspense of fielding vs. baserunning. Is the runner on first going to score? Will he be thrown out at the plate? Is the throw going to be cut off? I could watch that all day.
I’m a shitting pork. Forgot to put that left over barbecue in the fridge.
Im the good kind
/visits youtube.com
/types Rick Ankiel Guns Down The Rockies
/presses Enter
The reason I’m a pitchers dork is because I not only prefer them in baseball, but I think it is the most unique position in all of sports. I guess a quarterback or hockey goalie would be the closest, but you gotta appreciate how hard a pitcher’s job is. He can throw the best pitch that any pitcher has ever thrown – and the best he has to show for it is an 0-1 count. If a QB completes enough passes he gets rewarded with a Touchdown, even though for a pitcher that’s barely worth 2 IP of tosses.
Based on the three videos, I’m a big fielding dork! I’d have guessed it’d be close among the three sides, and maybe hitting coming out ahead, but watching Simmons was far cooler. And of the three players, I’m more a fan of Pedro than the others. Posters have made good points about the limits of these three videos for deciding the question…
My formative baseball years were Whitey’s Redbirds, so dorking out over shortstop wizardry certainly makes sense. Oh, and while it’s both far less common today and revealed as less important, doggone it was fun to anticipate and watch the speed and chance-taking with those teams.
I’m not a Dodger fan and I watched Kershaw’s no hitter (way to go Hanley…kidding) three times in three days. It’s so beautiful. Huge pitching dork, but have to include the catcher in that equation too. I love watching a well pitched game when the pitcher never shakes a pitch. It kind of sucks though. I have a hard time watching baseball with other people when a good pitcher is on the bump because I like watching him set batters up etc.
D and pitching but obviously I’m going to pick the Pedro game. How could anyone not? I know several Yankees fans who would.
Favorite thing to watch highlights of: defensive wizardry and defensive blundering.
Favorite thing to watch over the course of the game: pitching brilliance for the nuance and skill.
Favorite thing to watch my team doing: hitting because there’s really only upside when your team is at bat.
Definitely a pitcher dork – likely because I played as a catcher for quite a few years, so squatting there with a full view of the all the stops while orchestrating the infield and keeping the count low allowed me to experience the game from a treasured perspective.
I’m glad that I came across this post, because I have to say that for those of you who’ve ever played one of the various tabletop baseball sims (like Strat or APBA), you’re painfully aware of the not-so-subtle lack of pitching dynamics. So much that, for our own game, Roll Saga Baseball, we invested years of research and development to ensure that the game represents the pitcher faithfully and that all the pitches, from the 2-seamer to the elusive Shuuto were covered in game play. Our reasoning was simple: how can you really sim baseball without hyper-focus on the one player that everything starts with?
Is all that not sufficient evidence? Yes, pitcher dork indeed.
Just watched the whole Miggy highlight for the third time (I think I may have a problem).
Here, in a nutshell, is the REAL Miguel Cabrera Triple Crown:
1. Supreme hand-eye coordination.
2. Supreme lower-body, core, and wrist strength
3. Exemplary textbook hitting form.
And that’s in comparison with his fellow major leaguers. One of the best hitters ever.
For sure in terms of watching I’m a fielding dork. But dorkitude isn’t just about watching, it’s about pouring through statistics too, and fielding statistics just don’t do it.
Also, for me there’s a big difference between starting and relieving pitching. Pitching out of a serious jam, high-leverage situations with runners in scoring position and great hitters at the plate, that’s the best.
I’m sorry, but that poll is just no good. You have to accept that not everyone will end up classifiable.
Your videos are the perfect example:
-Oh look, Pedro’s 17 strikeout game! Power-precision fastballs, fading changeups, knee-buckling curves! *cackle cackle!*
-Oh wait, now Miguel Cabrera and a collection of assorted home runs! Look at him drive that one to right-center *cackle* Oh, he golfed than one from down and in *cackle* MOON SHOT! *cackle*
-Oooooo, Andrelton Simmons making it look easy *cackle* It’s like they took all of Brandon Phillips’s best moves and then bolted on a 3rd baseman’s arm for good measure *cackle cackle*
So what am I supposed to do when all of these fill me with glee? And you left out baserunning, by the way. Anyone want to pull up a collection of Rickey Henderson steals?
I think perhaps the reason I know I don’t have a preference towards any aspect of baseball is because the only time I DON’T enjoy the game is when you end up with a bad “pitching duel” in which the SPs have mediocre-at-best stuff and command, but the batters aren’t doing anything with it either, and there are nothing but routine plays to be found. It’s a tight, low-scoring affair with little drama or excellence, and that makes me sad. Give me something good in at least one of the game’s areas, though, and I’m pleased.
I’m a prospect dork. This is partially because I cut the cord years ago and so I rarely see games on TV anymore. I play deep dynasty leagues and spend my work breaks reading about prospects. I see more minor league games than major league games. Analyzing scouting reports and speculating about the future are things I enjoy.
If I must choose between pitching, hitting, and defense to nerd out over, I guess I choose hitting because I feel more comfortable predicting success for hitters. Pitching is more random in its development and more impacted by injuries.
Can I be a catcher dork? When I watch a game, I watch the catcher until the ball is hit (and sometimes after). I also love catcher stats, love seeing the different approaches (including, but not only, framing), and the pitch-calling to the extent I can tell.
Catcher impact on the game is way, way, way underrated. In an individual game, the catcher is a close second to the pitcher in importance. In a whole season, the starting catcher is by far the most important single player, and the backup catcher(s) are quite important as well.