What’s Next For the Athletics?
Three months ago, the Oakland A’s had Yoenis Cespedes, Addison Russell, Tommy Milone, a seemingly insurmountable lead in the American League West, and joy in their hearts. (I don’t know, probably.) Now, they’ve had a summer-long collapse, a much smaller-scale collapse within the wild card game, and have some farewells to offer to short-term employees Jon Lester, Jason Hammel, Geovany Soto, Jonny Gomes and Adam Dunn, plus slightly longer-term employees Luke Gregerson, Alberto Callaspo and Jed Lowrie, all free agents.
I’d say “it’s going to be a winter of transition” in Oakland, except that’s always the case. A full 30 members of the season-ending 43-man roster (three players were on the 60-day DL) were acquired via trade; throw in nine more via free agency or waivers, and only four Oakland players were homegrown draftees. Even that’s overstating it, though, because two of those four (eternal prospect Michael Ynoa and injured starter A.J. Griffin) didn’t appear at all for the A’s this season. That leaves Sean Doolittle, who wasn’t even drafted to do the job he’s doing, and Sonny Gray. Otherwise, this entire A’s team was built via the non-draft machinations of Billy Beane.
Right now, the A’s have financial commitments to a mere five players next year, and two of them are minimal. What’s next for the A’s? There’s no shortage of answers to that question.
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Here’s what the A’s are on the books for in 2015, via Cot’s:
- SP Scott Kazmir, $13m
- OF Coco Crisp, $11m
- RP Eric O’Flaherty, $5.5m
- IF Nick Punto, $2.75m
- RP Doolittle, $0.78m
That’s it. That’s a total of $33m on a team that reached approximately $83m in Opening Day payroll this year, after several seasons of being in the $50m-$70m range.
Obviously, we need to get to arbitration, and we will, but the team can simply non-tender any arbitration-eligible player if they want. As far as absolute committed dollars, this is a shockingly low number, which potentially lends itself to great flexibility. Kazmir’s first year in Oakland more than backed up his career rebirth in Cleveland last year; $13m is money well spent for a lefty starter who has been approximately a three-win pitcher in each of the last two years. Doolittle’s contract is an absolute steal, as part of the 5/$10.5m extension he signed in April before becoming one of the most dominant closers in the game. (His number here is slightly different than what Cot’s shows, because the terms of the deal would have increased had he made Super 2 after this year, which it seems he’ll just miss.)
Crisp also signed an extension in the spring, but a season of injury problems led to one of his least productive seasons in years, and it’s never good when things like “chronic, degenerative changes” are tossed around in regards to the neck. You don’t want to put too much importance on one-year defensive metrics, but you also don’t expect anyone to ignore that his DRS fell from +6 to -17, either. Depending on his health, he might no longer be an everyday player next year at 35, and he’s still got $11m more coming in 2016, too. O’Flaherty, signed to a back-loaded contract as he rehabbed from elbow surgery, didn’t look like the dominating Braves reliever we remembered, then missed the wild card game with soreness in the elbow.
Two of those contracts are great. Two seem problematic. Punto is a bench piece being paid like one. You can’t field a team on five players, so let’s bring in those arbitration guys now, and there’s a lot: 14 of them, to be exact.
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No, really, 14 arbitration-eligible players, the side effect of constantly churning a roster so that only one key piece, Crisp, is older than 31.
Josh Donaldson, Jarrod Parker, Fernando Abad, Ryan Cook, and Eric Sogard are all first-timers. Josh Reddick, Fernando Rodriguez, Jesse Chavez, and Craig Gentry go through for the second time. Brandon Moss, Jeff Samardzija, Kyle Blanks, Sam Fuld, and John Jaso are doing this for the third time. (Moss is a Super 2, so he’s not a free agent after 2015, unlike the others.)
These cases, really, are all over the map, and it’s here where the biggest questions — and spending — can be found. Samardzija is extremely unlikely to be signing a long-term deal and might even be trade bait this winter, but if he’s back, it’ll be under an arbitration award that’s somewhere around $9m. Donaldson, who is so much older than you think he is — 29 in December — played for the minimum this year, and just had his second consecutive outstanding season, particularly in the shiny counting stats that arbitration boards like. He should get around $5m as a Super Two. There’s a wonderful case to be made that the A’s should just keep going year-to-year with him.
Chavez made under a million this year and can’t expect much more than $2m-$3m in the process. Parker probably avoids this entirely and just signs a relatively cheap contract as he works back from surgery, as injured players don’t fare well in arbitration. Reddick would get a raise from $2.7m to the $4m-$5m range.
Those are the easy ones, really. Moss has at times been a star for the team, but is a 32-year-old with platoon issues, a limited track record, little defensive value and an upcoming hip surgery worth the ~$7m he’ll get in arbitration? It’s easy to see the team saying he’s not, though the solution might be a two-year deal that lessens the 2015 hit. Jaso has been one of the better offensive catchers in baseball; he’s also dealt with repeated concussion issues and didn’t play after Aug. 23. That’s another $3m-$4m in arbitration. Some of these guys, like Sogard, Blanks, and Rodriguez, are potential non-tenders, but even if they aren’t, the salaries will be minimal.
Let’s do some back-of-the-envelope spitballing here and say that if A’s retain most of these guys,the outlay will be around $35-$40 million. Now we’re into the $68-$73 million range, or closer to what the A’s had to start this season. We don’t know what the 2015 number will be, though the team stretched a little further to make their midseason additions this year. We can assume, probably, that the A’s would have some amount of money remaining, but not a huge amount. We can probably just as safely assume that at least one member of this group is getting traded, because it’s not Beane’s style to simply re-up arbitration cases and cross his fingers things work out better next time.
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One thing immediately becomes clear about the 2015 A’s: That rotation, even without Lester, should still be productive.
| Pitcher | IP | ERA | FIP | K% | BB% | GB% | 2015 Age |
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| Chavez | 146 | 3.45 | 3.89 | 22.3 | 7.7 | 42.0 | 31 |
| Gray | 219 | 3.08 | 3.46 | 20.4 | 8.2 | 55.9 | 25 |
| Griffin | – | – | – | – | – | – | 27 |
| Kazmir | 190.1 | 3.55 | 3.35 | 21.1 | 6.4 | 43.8 | 31 |
| Parker | – | – | – | – | – | – | 26 |
| Pomeranz | 69 | 2.35 | 3.77 | 23.6 | 9.4 | 45.7 | 26 |
| Samardzija | 219.2 | 2.99 | 3.20 | 23.0 | 3.9 | 50.2 | 30 |
Those are all 2014 numbers, and when our 2015 projections come out in the next few weeks, they’ll have Samardzija, Gray, and Kazmir all in the 3-4 win range. That’s a pretty solid way to start a rotation, and they’re an easy 1-2-3 at the top. Between Pomeranz and Chavez, you can probably cobble together a back end. The question here, really, is how much confidence you put in the rehabbing Griffin and Parker, who should be back early in the season, but not necessarily for Opening Day, and likely with limitations. There’s seven starting options here, and the A’s may yet need one more.
A second thing becomes clear, too: Donaldson and Reddick might be the only no-doubt starters in the lineup. (This is why rumors that the team might trade Donaldson, while not impossible, seem hard to believe, because the A’s need him, and because the third base market will have plenty of options in Chase Headley, Pablo Sandoval, and Hanley Ramirez.) In fact, there’s three pretty big questions about the offense:
1) How do you fix that middle infield?
Lowrie’s consistent injury problem aren’t likely to go away, and he’s now all but proven he’s not a major league shortstop, defensively. The three-headed second base trio was a disaster all around. If there was a misstep Beane made this year, it might have been cashing in his chips without getting anything back to address these spots. Lowrie could potentially return as a second baseman; otherwise, this is more Sogard/Punto, or a trade, or a gamble on Rickie Weeks. Shortstop almost certainly has to find an external source with Daniel Robertson probably still at least a year away, though the A’s may not be able to pay for J.J. Hardy. Is this a return engagement for a buy-low Stephen Drew?
2) Who is your catcher?
We don’t know if Jaso can still catch, since this is his second consecutive season that ended with concussion problems. Norris probably isn’t as bad as he looked when the Royals were going wild on him in the wild card game, and he’s been playing through back and shoulder issues, but his issues controlling the running game weren’t limited to that one game. Stephen Vogt showed some life on offense and spent plenty of time at first base; he also barely caught at all this season.
Is that good enough? Maybe not, especially if Jaso’s backstop days are done. The A’s had to go out and get Soto in a waiver deal to supplement their catching depth. It’s hard not to see them doing the same this winter.
3) What does the outfield look like?
Let’s say that Moss spends more time at first than in right, that Crisp is a part-time player, and that Reddick gets his usual playing time. Then what? Fuld and Gentry are fine backups, and this is a team that has shown a willingness to platoon and play matchups rather than go with one unquestioned started, but if Crisp can’t be counted on, there’s room for improvement here. Easier said than done, of course, but offense is a must here; the A’s outfield had a middle-of-the-pack wRC+, and that was with Cespedes.
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Are the A’s better off now than they were three months ago? No, of course not, but that’s not the point. Certainly, they’d prefer to have Russell’s career and one more year of Cespedes right now, but you also don’t get to make trades with hindsight. The Lester and Samardzija/Hammel trades made a ton of sense at the time, and there’s a great argument to be made that having Cespedes but not Lester doesn’t stem the second-half collapse at all. They made the gamble to go for it, and they lost. That doesn’t change the wisdom of the gamble.
There’s still a lot of talent here, and still a window. The Astros are moving in the right direction, but aren’t there yet. The Rangers have to recover from a total organizational disaster. The Angels are talented and dangerous, yet Albert Pujols, C.J. Wilson, Josh Hamilton, and Jered Weaver aren’t getting younger. The Mariners still have huge offensive issues to resolve. This is still an Oakland team that can make a run in 2015. It’ll just take some pretty creative solutions to upgrade around a good pitching core.
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And once again the As’ quick playoff departure and terrible collapse subjects anybody viewed as a sabermatician to (mostly) good-natured ribbing from Jor Morgan and similar old-fashioned types that “Billy Beane and his Moneyball” philosophy is just geeky nonsense that will never win when it counts. We all know what nonsense that is, but we all know it’s coming.
It already came. I’ve had to read my share of “LOL BILLY BEANE IS 1-13 IN DECIDING GAMES” as if he is the one playing the games against teams with a much higher payroll.
Well, he IS the only common denominator….
Another stupid thing about these comments is that it ignores the fact that more front offices than not favor sabermetrics now. The Cardinals and Red Sox respective FO’s do a lot with sabermetrics, and I doubt any of the typical ESPN blowhards would say their shit doesn’t work in the playoffs. They just have more money than the A’s, which makes it more likely to assemble a WS caliber team.
Your math on their arb eligible guys basically tells me that the A’s don’t have any money left to spend, and that they’re going to need to rebuild their roster with internal guys or trades.
So what’s left of the farm system after all their trades this year?
Daniel Robertson and Matt Olson would be top prospects in any team’s farm system. The A’s have a solid core of promising players.
Their system is not looking. They have a couple of B-level prospects, but they have little depth.
I take issue with the statement that the Samardzija/Hammel trade made a ton of sense at the time.
It was a slightly more defensible than usual version of the terrible win-now trades we see every year. You could see the rationale, but there were also plenty of us who hated it at the time.
Of course, maybe it’s not productive to rehash the lengthy debate that occured in June, but I think it’s important to remember that when people criticize Billy Beane’s trades this winter it’s not just with the benefit of hindsight–there were legitimate reasons to question their wisdom when they were executed.
That’s fair. There was certainly first-guessing at the time. However, most of the criticism I see of it now is with the benefit of knowing how it worked out, which is wrong.
And I agree that that’s the wrong way to look at things–the trades weren’t any worse because of Tuesday’s game.
But the trades WERE worse because Tuesday’s game or a similar exit in the ALDS or ALCS were always pretty distinct possibilities.
Maybe Billy Beane got frustrated with the bad luck and playoff losses, but that doesn’t mean that going ‘all in’ is ever a good idea.
When are playoff exits not distinct possibilities for any team?
The idea of the Samardzija/Hammel trade was to strengthen the team this year, which it obviously did – it capitalized on the competitive window that was/is open this year and possibly next. Was Russell really going to make an impact this year and help us win during the playoffs? The trade was a no-brainer at the time.
the A’s after the first trade was built around a stacked pitching staff which would excel front-to-back during playoff series, and unfortunately, it took myriad injuries and a historic collapse to shut that door. If Willingham’s bloop leadoff single got caught on Tuesday night, or Soto didn’t get injured, or Donaldson gloved the winning grounder, we’d probably be discussing the A’s incredible rotation for the ALDS.
Yeah, the trade was a no-brainer in that it showed no brains. EVERY trade of star prospects improves the current squad. Even if the A’s figured to suck for Addison Russell’s entire 6 years, come Year 4 you then trade him for a prospect haul and so gear up for Year 7. It made sense under no scenario, even if you’re arrogant enough to think you can foresee windows opening and closing, even if you’re ahistorical enough to think starting pitching matters more come playoffs when it matters less, when off days allow for ‘unload the bullpen’ games.
But given that the playoffs are a crapshoot… should GM’s be making trades to improve chances in the postseason? Or should they trades be about getting to the postseason?
It seems people are arguing both sides here; defend the trade as being designed to win in the postseason and then talking about the randomness/crapshoot nature of the postseason.
Personally I don’t think there is a playoff formula; the killer rotation always sounds good, but how often does the best rotation win it all? I think the trades should be evaluated on the change in the chances of getting into the postseason.
The Lester deal changed the odds by I think 1% at the time of the deal… was that worth Cespedes 2015 and their competitive lottery pick? I don’t think so; I do think part of this deal was a 2015 money decision though, so it’s not completely clear cut.
Shark/Hammel significantly shifted the odds of winning the division significantly (I can’t remember if the overall playoff odds changed a lot but it definitely shifted things from WC to division winner more heavily). Was that and Shark’s 2015 worth 7 years of Russell and potentially 7 years of McKinney? I think a lot of other GM’s doing this would get criticized for this deal and “going for it” would sound a lot more like “mortgaging the future” and “overpaying”
Sure they needed to bolster the pitching – but there were other options that wouldn’t require a stud prospect and the 2013 first round draft pick(McKinney). Given the crapshoot nature of the playoffs and the A’s payroll constraints and need for cost controlled talent, I’m not sure high priced pitchers (trade cost-wise) was the way to go.
Once upon a time Billy understood the randomness of the post-season. Heck, change just one of their 1st round exits to a championship and the A’s are about right where they should be results-wise. Billy just lost his patience, and probably gained arrogance such that he now thinks he can pull Donaldsons and Mosses off of other teams’ waiver wires at simple will of his genius.
I was not a fan of either trade, but everyone seems to be focusing on the rationale of potential playoff impact of the trades when they were made. But, Shark, Lester, and Hammel produced 3.4 WAR with Oakland and Cespedes produced 1.2 WAR in Boston. It’s possible that they would have missed the playoffs had they not made those trades. I don’t think Billy Beane made those trades with the though in mind that he was doing so to increase their playoff odds, but it’s something to keep in mind.
There are definitely times where going all in is a good idea. The question is if the Athletics were in that position.
Yeah, they made somewhere between “a ton of sense” and .023 milliliters of sense if you put a laser beam focus on the milliliter end of that spectrum. They were less defensible than the terrible win-now trades we see every year. 6 full years of a massively underpriced Addison Russell for a year-and-a-half of a moderately underpriced Samardzija? Their 2nd-best prospect for Jason friggin’ Hammel, who if you somehow were so desperate to start him in a post-season game you’d be looking to yank him after 2-3 innings?!? When Colon would’ve come available within a few more weeks for a fraction of that price? Just an awful awful trade, and as a few FG writers can tell you this is now the 173rd time I’ve said so starting at ‘Day 1’. You Sabrists are defending it like you’re Helicopter Moms and Billy Beane’s your bratty, irresponsible delinquent kid.
The thing is either trade could be defensible or indefensible depending on that team’s internal valuations of the prospects involved. Perhaps KC’s FO had some reason to be concerned that Myers wouldn’t hit well at the Major league level. Something that other teams wouldn’t know because they weren’t in their system. It’s been shown that the team a prospect is playing for makes better valuations than the teams trying to trade for them. Even a front office fronted by Dayton Moore should maintain that advantage.
Perhaps the same is true for Oakland, though reportedly Beane told Epstein “you got Barry Larkin” after the trade.
Where I think Fangraphs fairly criticizes the Royals is on the things that they do. They weren’t widening their window, at best Shields and Davis gave them some window, and it was a window to fringy wild card contention. It was also done in the offseason, where the value of an extra win or three is less known, and when you have the free market to buy wins. None of these things were true for the A’s, who were doubling down on a (at the time) strong team midseason.
But fangraphs (or any of us) can’t know the internal valuations that the Royals and A’s made with respect to their prospects. And that makes or breaks whether it was a smart move or not.
I agree the As took a hit, but they still should be solid contenders. Daniel Robertson should take most of the sting out of trading Addison Russell, and whoever the As get in the inevitable Samardijzjzja trade should help balance the equation. Matt Olson seems like an outstanding hitting prospect. And the As should be able to get a veritable king’s ranson for Josh Donaldson. They should be more-than-fine for the foreseeable future.
Trading Cespedes worked out just fine for the As. The timing makes it seem disastrous, but Cespedes was awful in the second half and Lester was fantastic.
I have a hard time seeing them trade Donaldson. They need him in the lineup so badly, and this is an unusually flush free agent market for 3B.
Well then you heard it here first… The Red Sox, Dodgers and Yankees all need help at 3B. Donaldson’s value will never be higher, but his salary is about to climb. Headley and Sandoval are going to cost a lot but neither is as productive as Donaldson. I see no reason the Red Sox would not offer Cecchini and Betts for Donaldson, and I see no reason the As would decline the offer. Trade offers exactly not unlike this surely will be coming Beane’s way… the only question is whether it will happen this year or next.
The Dodgers don’t particularly need a 3B. Uribe gets a lot of grief but he’s a solid player.
Donaldson’s salary is about to climb to the $5 million range, which would make him still among the best-valued position players in baseball with a WAR of between 6 and 7 each of the past two seasons. And on an Athletics team that is otherwise bereft of infield talent and defensive prowess, he is especially valuable.
While Billy Beane has an extensive history of trading pitchers, he rarely has swapped talented position players in their arbitration years; Cespedes was the odd case of picking up an ace starter for stretch run and playoffs; in 2008 Beane traded Nick Swisher but Swisher was about half as valuable as Donaldson and that A’s team was in full re-build mode. It’s been much more common for Beane to let such players reach free agency and get draft picks back instead.
Spa City- I’m struggling with the wording of your sentence, but there is no way the Red Sox give up Cecchini and Betts for Donaldson. The value he presents at his age and cost is dwarfed by 12 years of control on Betts, a burgeoning star, and Cecchini, who star is dimming, but still has secondary skills as good as any in the minors. You think the Sox would easily give those two up for a shot at Donaldson?
I think the A’s could be interested in one of J.R. Murphy or Francisco Cervelli.
Sure, you can have both for Addison Russell. Crap.
could see them making hay with Mike Morse.
If they wanted an oft-injured guy who has no position except DH, they already have Jaso.
They do need multiple players to play the game, though.
fair point.
If Beane has climbed out of the hole he created for himeself and team, he should unload Kazmir. I think Kazmir is going bad next season, real bad.
You could look at his 2009-2014 (a 4.59 ERA and 2+ years missed), and see his 2014 as a prototypical sell-high opportunity.
Or you could look at his 2013-2014 (61 starts in 2 seasons, a 3.77 ERA, 3.42 FIP, and a 3.49 xFIP), conclude that he’s finally healthy and back to who he was in 2005-2007, and see his $13M 2015 salary as a great value.
This seems like one of those situations where the team’s own trainers and doctors are probably in the best position to judge.
Interesting player. I wonder what kind of interest they’d get in a trade. Not a huge contract for his realistic upside. The end of the season collapse is worrying given his history, but you wonder if he was just tiring out given the years he took off.
If they can get Drew on a low-dollar contract, that would be a worthwhile gamble. But since they generally can’t afford higher-end talent and they need bats, they may need to be creative. With solid pitching and little offense, I wonder if it would make sense to trade for someone like Daniel Murphy to play 2B, and offset the salary (and then some) by trading Kazmir in a separate trade. They’d likely save a few million dollars, and they would probably net more in a Kazmir trade than they’d give up for Murphy. From a WAR perspective, it would mainly be a shift of 3 pitching WAR to 3 hitting WAR.
I feel I should point out that the A’s had the 4th most runs in baseball this year. And that’s down from #1 the first 2/3 of the season. They’re not an all-pitch no-hit team. Their 2nd half collapse had to do with a team-wide hitting slump that was at least somewhat predictable because of how they’re constructed: Lots of power, no small-ball.
they sort of lack the 2 things that top the Mets wish list tho – SS or corner OFer unless they’d move Reddick. That would only exacerbate the A’s OF issue, not to mention that the Mets already have a few LHH OFers they don’t know what to do with…
Stephen Drew isn’t going to cost anything significant after this season. He might even be as cheap as a minor league deal with an opt-out.
He’s probably going to be more concerned with selecting a place where he can have a bounce-back season than a contract worth an extra $1M. Oakland is not a good place for a lefty hitter to put up good numbers.
it’s a good place if they give him an opportunity to play. that’s what it’s going to come down to for Drew.
Easy fix – trade Samardzija for Addison Russell. Bam!
Perhaps Beane saw the window closing for the A’s hater this year, and pushed all his chips into the middle of the table. Which is where Olney was going the other day. The three year run was great, but time to move on as the value pieces get more expensive. Crisp fell apart ahead of schedule, and the top end pitching couldn’t save them for this year.
I could see Samardjzia, Kazmir and Donaldson all getting dealt as Beane begins the new era..As a Sox fan, those three for Owens,Swihart, Bogaerts, RDLR, Bradley JR, Margot or something like that gets both teams off to a fresh ’15. BOS has plenty of $$ left to finish roster, Beane gets chips to play or more likely trade in a year or so.
Perhaps Beane saw the window closing for the A’s after this year, and pushed all his chips into the middle of the table. Which is where Olney was going the other day. The three year run was great, but time to move on as the value pieces get more expensive. Crisp fell apart ahead of schedule, and the top end pitching couldn’t save them for this year.
I could see Samardjzia, Kazmir and Donaldson all getting dealt as Beane begins the new era..As a Sox fan, those three for Owens,Swihart, Bogaerts, RDLR, Bradley JR, Margot or something like that gets both teams off to a fresh ’15. BOS has plenty of $$ left to finish roster, Beane gets chips to play or more likely trade in a year or so.
Sorry for the duplicate post.
I think that goes overboard, but I could definitely see the makings of a Shark to Boston deal for a few prospects to reload. Maybe just JBJ, RDLR & Ramos or Coyle..?
Jackie Bradley has essentially no trade value. He is not going to be the centerpiece of a deal for a arb-eligible #2 starter. Keep dreaming.
I can almost see Beane picking Boston’s pockets, something like Kazmir and O’Flaherty for JBJ, RDLR and Coyle.
It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.
didn’t suggest he would be the “centerpiece.” I said that the Sox could deal a package of prospects to get Shark.
This is a good point as well. As this article shows the A’s are losing pieces to FA and the pieces they can keep are getting older and more expensive. A player that produces like Donaldson at the minimum is a boon for a team like the A’s, and he’ll still be cheap for the value he produces, but less so and that’s important for a team like the A’s.
If Russell arrives during rebuilding years, he’s getting dealt anyway. Beane just preferred to put that value in the ’14 team than future teams. And eventually some value will be put back in the farm, either through trading Shark or getting a pick when he leaves. Of course he now has to deal with the fact that the ’14 team squandered most of that value, but that doesn’t mean the process was flawed.$
A guy couldn’t’ve guessed that Crisp would have neck trouble based on the way he gets set into his stance. Nope. No way.
Wait, what?! You’re claiming his batting stance caused degenerative issues with his neck? Do you work in healthcare?
You don’t think paying Moss arbitration $$$ is a no-brainer? That kind of power-production isn’t really replaceable for a reasonable price.
I think it’s more likely than not, but there’s just nothing that sounds good about hip microfracture surgery.
I would pay Moss, but I think it’s more about aggregate production than anything special about power, and ~2 WAR isn’t impossible to make up if the Athletics are scared off by his health issues.
Given that he’s a bat-only guy who’s a good-but-not-great hitter and can’t hit lefties, there’s a pretty low ceiling on how valuable he’ll actually be.
Yeah, except for his age and current hip problem. He could easily turn into a completely useless player, and quite soon.
Yes, but I think the point is he’s not the only one getting expensive, and with some pieces leaving and other getting more expensive they’re getting less value for their dollar, which for a team on the A’s budget is tough to deal with. Beane did a good job of uncovering these guy’s talent, but now the cat’s out the bag and they’re starting to get paid more. Still underpaid of course, but Beane is dealing with a lot less money than most teams.
We’ll have to see what moves Beane makes in the offseason, but considering the strength of their division (remember, the Rangers were going to be good before they all got hurt) this might be a good time to start a tear down in Oakland.
I think he will definitely trade Kazmir. He’ll probably wait until the deadline to trade Shark, but that’s very possible, too.
2015 should be another transition year as Beane searches for the right formula for 2016 run
The Red Sox really want 2015, could something be made out of it?
First off, I think Sam Fuld is super-2 as well (at least according to Cots). As an A’s fan, I personally think we should rebuild. I think this last year was an indicator of the direction our team is headed, and I don’t think we can reasonably compete for a championship next season.
A’s Cubs
3B Josh Dondaldson (4-arb) RF Jorge Soler
LF Brandon Moss (2-arb) 2B/SS Javier Baez
RHP Sonny Gray (2-pre arb/3-arb) SS Addison Russell
RHP Jeff Samardzija (1-arb) RHP Edwin Jackson
HP Scott Kazmir (2015) 3B Kris Bryant
LHP Sean Doolittle (2015-20) OF Kyle Schwarber
OF Craig Gentry (2-arb)
LHP Eric O’Flaherty (2015)
First off, I think Sam Fuld is super-2 as well (at least according to Cots). As an A’s fan, I personally think we should rebuild. I think this last year was an indicator of the direction our team is headed, and I don’t think we can reasonably compete for a championship next season.
A’s Cubs
3B Josh Dondaldson (4-arb) RF Jorge Soler
LF Brandon Moss (2-arb) 2B/SS Javier Baez
RHP Sonny Gray (2-pre arb/3-arb) SS Addison Russell
RHP Jeff Samardzija (1-arb) RHP Edwin Jackson
HP Scott Kazmir (2015) 3B Kris Bryant
LHP Sean Doolittle (2015-20) OF Kyle Schwarber
OF Craig Gentry (2-arb)
LHP Eric O’Flaherty (2015)
This trade me unfeasible, but 4 years of Donaldson control and 5 years of Gray control is a lot of value. I believe Moss (who has even splits vs LHPs and RHPs), Samardzija, and Doolittle are nice assets as well. We’d pickup Edwin Jackson’s awful contract to lessen the blow and help them fill out their starting rotation, without having to spend an arm and a leg in free agency.
I also believe O’Flaherty, while costly is an upgrade over Wesley Writing, a Reddick/Gentry platoon in RF can provide more immediate impact than Soler, and I think Moss is an upgrade over Coghlan in LF as well. Not to mention, Valbuena/Alcantara platoon at 2B is an upgrade as well over Baez, who needs to spend another year in the minors a learn how to take walk and strikeout way less.
This could put the Cubs in a position to compete now, and give A’s starting place to rebuild.
I forgot RF Josh Reddick will also go to the Cubs in that trade; one can dream anyway.
You think that they could be a team that could go heavy on Jung-ho Kang in a big roll of the dice? Or will he likely command a big contract when posted?
Where does Billy Burns fit into this picture? Will they let Crisp go and give Burns a chance?
I think I’m paid way too much for a 1 WAR part-time player, with a terrible arm for a CF.
Also Billy Burns, despite his 80 speed tool has less power than Ben Revere on hormones.
Yeah! It’s not like your last 4 years before this were 3.1, 2.0, 2.5 and 3.9 WAR…oh, wait, it was.
You forgot I’m 35 next month, with a degenerative neck disorder and am due 11 mil for each of the next two seasons. I’m untradable! Life is good!
Also, after my July 30th diagnose of neck disorder, which can’t be surgically repaired, I had wOBA of 259 and 248 respectively. #BallSoHardUniversity #JePedoStylez
For August and September, respectively.
#$FoUrEyes
My point was more that Crisp was not a 1 WAR part time player when the contrast was signed, and has in fact only been one for a single year. His wOBA those two months was bad, but it is a rather small sample size, though a cause for concern. He could turn in a value if his range returns more to normal and isn’t all aged out next year, though, since that seems like it’d be hurt by the neck less.
crisp just signed an extension…don’t think he has a ton of trade value either with the injuries, and burns can’t really hit. sure can run though.
I thought at the time the trades were fine, Beane probably believed he needed a rotation upgrade and “veteran experience”.
I was a little surprised he didn’t try and upgrade his offense, considering he dealt his clean up hitter, but what was out there to be had after he emptied he farm?
It’s not Beane’s fault Lester didn’t pitch well, nor was it his fault that his team was banged up. If the A’s won that game, we’d all be writing a different tune.
sorry for the typo, “THE farm”
I think the A’s should deal Donaldson at this point and perhaps package with Samardzija to get some top prospects. Would Joc Pederson and Seager be too much or too little to ask for? The A’s are getting Parker and Griffen back… I know they dont hold the same weight as Samardzija, but both are very solid and would have been apart of the rotation this year and could have prevented one of the trades from happening.
I also think Kazmir will decline, he would be another tradidate IMO.
as an a’s fan, i’d be all in on donaldson/shark for seager/pederson. don’t see the dodgers parting with both in one trade though.
Great read!
I thought the lack of speed/range/D up the middle–the silent killer! When you add Norris and Coco to the mix…man, up the middle was horrific for a team with 85 plus wins!
Sam, Sonny, Zak, Pom make a decent rotation. I can see them adding a veteran arm, or they may be content to let Chavez and Griffin battle it out. I forsee Parker in the pen.
Could Donaldson move to short?