When College Teams Face the Pros
The Marlins are probably the worst team right now in the majors. Independent of schedule, they project for the worst record. Taking the schedule into consideration, they still project for the worst record. Taking community input into consideration, also, they still project for the worst record. Of course, this isn’t surprising. This is kind of the plan. The Marlins are bad now on purpose, because they didn’t see the sense in trying to push for a competitive window. And, you know, there’s a chance the Marlins overachieve. Maybe they finish with a better record than the White Sox. Maybe they win more games than the Tigers. But, the season will be rough. It’ll be a season of development and ugly results.
Tuesday, the Marlins played a game against the University of Miami. These kinds of games happen from time to time every spring, as practice for the pros, and as fun opportunities for the amateurs. What kind of 20-year-old wouldn’t get up for the chance to play some major-leaguers on the field? For the Marlins, obviously, there was nothing to play for. I guess a little bit of pride. But the Marlins were just saying goodbye to another long spring training. The exhibition ended after the top of the seventh.
Every time the Olympics are on, I’m reminded of one of my favorite suggestions. I don’t know who came up with it first, and it’s hardly original anymore, but it would be wonderful if, in every competition, they included some average nobody, just as a frame of reference. When all you’re watching over and over are the best and most skilled athletes in the world, it becomes easy to take them for granted. You lose sight of how difficult all these challenges are. It would be helpful to see some awkward faceplants. Some extremely slow sprinters, or godawful skaters. We watch sports to be wowed by what the human body can do. You don’t want to end up underestimating what it takes to be great.
Let’s take a different, albeit similar angle. Many of us, at one point or another, have wondered what we could do in the major leagues. Maybe you’re curious how terrible you’d be. Maybe you’re curious whether you could be good. You know, you’ve played baseball before. You flashed some skills in high school. Might still have an arm. Could you cut it? There’s no way to prove that you couldn’t. You’re never going to get the chance.
We’ll never see average nobodies in the major leagues. I shouldn’t need to explain why that is. But this is where the college exhibitions become useful. There’s a handful of them every single spring, often including the same teams. Most of the time, the games are at the very beginning of the spring-training schedule. For the big-league clubs that schedule them, they serve as transitions between boring practice and boring Cactus or Grapefruit League competition. This is as extreme as disparities get. You’ll never see an All-Star team face a college, and you’ll never see a regular big-league team face a high school. MLB vs. college comes with a talent gap of maximum observable width. These games, individually, are easy to ignore and easy to forget. They don’t get included in any records. But we can examine the overall results. And I believe that the overall results are very telling.
As far as I know, there’s no such thing as an MLB-vs-college database. So I’ve done the best I could, collecting information going back to 2009. That gives us a good decade, and this website was greatly important. I think this table includes everything. There’s a chance I’m short a game or three. But, 67 games is plenty. Here is everything that’s happened. For convenience, this table is sortable.
| Year | MLB Team | College | Winner | MLB Runs | College Runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | Twins | Minnesota | MLB | 2 | 1 |
| 2018 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 6 | 1 |
| 2018 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 4 | 2 |
| 2018 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 15 | 2 |
| 2018 | Phillies | Tampa | MLB | 6 | 0 |
| 2018 | Marlins | Miami | MLB | 22 | 2 |
| 2018 | Diamondbacks | Arizona State | MLB | 7 | 2 |
| 2017 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 8 | 0 |
| 2017 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 9 | 6 |
| 2017 | Phillies | Tampa | MLB | 6 | 0 |
| 2017 | Diamondbacks | Grand Canyon | MLB | 9 | 1 |
| 2017 | Brewers | Wisconsin-Milwaukee | MLB | 11 | 0 |
| 2016 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 7 | 2 |
| 2016 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 6 | 0 |
| 2016 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 8 | 3 |
| 2016 | Phillies | Tampa | MLB | 8 | 3 |
| 2016 | Marlins | Miami | MLB | 5 | 1 |
| 2016 | Diamondbacks | Arizona | MLB | 12 | 5 |
| 2016 | Cardinals | Florida Atlantic | MLB | 13 | 6 |
| 2016 | Brewers | Wisconsin-Milwaukee | MLB | 11 | 2 |
| 2015 | Twins | Minnesota | MLB | 3 | 1 |
| 2015 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 12 | 2 |
| 2015 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 1 | 0 |
| 2015 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 2 | 1 |
| 2015 | Marlins | Florida International | MLB | 7 | 2 |
| 2015 | Marlins | Miami | MLB | 7 | 1 |
| 2015 | Diamondbacks | Arizona State | MLB | 4 | 0 |
| 2015 | Brewers | Wisconsin-Milwaukee | MLB | 8 | 0 |
| 2015 | Phillies | Tampa | College | 2 | 6 |
| 2014 | Yankees | Florida State | MLB | 8 | 3 |
| 2014 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 12 | 0 |
| 2014 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 5 | 2 |
| 2014 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 5 | 2 |
| 2014 | Marlins | Florida International | MLB | 9 | 5 |
| 2014 | Marlins | Miami | MLB | 5 | 2 |
| 2013 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 11 | 0 |
| 2013 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 11 | 1 |
| 2013 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 3 | 0 |
| 2013 | Orioles | State College of Florida | MLB | 6 | 1 |
| 2013 | Mets | Michigan | MLB | 5 | 2 |
| 2012 | Yankees | South Florida | MLB | 11 | 0 |
| 2012 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 11 | 1 |
| 2012 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 6 | 3 |
| 2012 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 25 | 0 |
| 2012 | Phillies | Florida State | MLB | 6 | 1 |
| 2012 | Orioles | Florida Southern | MLB | 14 | 1 |
| 2012 | Nationals | Georgetown | MLB | 3 | 0 |
| 2012 | Orioles | State College of Florida | College | 1 | 2 |
| 2011 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 17 | 5 |
| 2011 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 6 | 0 |
| 2011 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 13 | 2 |
| 2011 | Pirates | State College of Florida | MLB | 21 | 1 |
| 2011 | Phillies | Florida State | MLB | 8 | 0 |
| 2011 | Mets | Michigan | MLB | 7 | 1 |
| 2011 | Marlins | Miami | College | 8 | 9 |
| 2010 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 13 | 1 |
| 2010 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 6 | 1 |
| 2010 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 15 | 0 |
| 2010 | Pirates | State College of Florida | MLB | 6 | 1 |
| 2010 | Phillies | Florida State | MLB | 13 | 6 |
| 2010 | Mets | Michigan | MLB | 8 | 1 |
| 2010 | Marlins | Miami | MLB | 19 | 3 |
| 2009 | Tigers | Florida Southern | MLB | 7 | 1 |
| 2009 | Red Sox | Boston College | MLB | 7 | 1 |
| 2009 | Red Sox | Northeastern | MLB | 14 | 0 |
| 2009 | Mets | Michigan | MLB | 18 | 7 |
| 2009 | Pirates | State College of Florida | College | 4 | 6 |
What’s happened when big-league teams have played baseball against amateur, college teams? Over the past decade, the big-league teams have gone 63-4. The average score has been 8.8-1.9, and the median score has been 8-1. Facing the Red Sox, Northeastern has gone 0-10, getting outscored by an average of 9.3 runs. Also facing the Red Sox, Boston College has gone 0-9, getting outscored by an average of 4.7 runs. Facing the Tigers, Florida Southern has gone 0-10, getting outscored by an average of 9.1 runs. I imagine we all suspected the results would be lopsided. But, maybe not this lopsided. And it gets worse.
Watch the Twins walk off against the University of Minnesota about a month ago:
Zero enthusiasm, minimal celebration. Maybe the Twins were embarrassed to have to walk off in the first place, but I think the more accurate interpretation is that, on the major-league side, they don’t really care. It’s practice. They’re going through the motions. On the collegiate side, few things could compare to playing a game against the pros. From a psychological perspective, the college teams are a lot more amped up, every single time. It’s a chance for everyone to try to prove themselves against actual professionals. For the professionals, it’s sort of like batting against a position player pitching. All you want is to not get injured.
So there’s a wide emotional difference. That might translate to a difference in concentration or effort. Furthermore, most of these games take place around the start of big-league spring training, but that takes place after the college season is already underway. And most importantly, it’s not like these MLB lineups are always including the best players in an organization. Even when good players do start, they tend to last only a handful of innings, before getting replaced by minor-league subs. And just to pile on, I don’t have an exact count, but it looks like a lot of these games have ended short of the ninth inning. More innings would mean even more lopsided results.
MLB teams that just barely care. MLB teams that only temporarily field MLB rosters. 63-4. And out of that four, one gets an asterisk, because when the State College of Florida beat the Orioles in 2012, the Orioles supplied the pitching, as well as the catching. That’s still not a game the actual Orioles should’ve lost, but the circumstances were different. It’s the other three college wins that really stand out.
Here’s a box score for the game from 2009. I should note that’s also the State College of Florida, which back then went by another name. The Pirates were leading 4-1 after four, and then came a whole bunch of subs. Here’s a box score for the game from 2011. The Marlins were leading 7-1 after five, and then came a whole bunch of subs. And here’s a box score for the game from 2015. The Phillies were leading 2-0 after five. Fun trivia here is that the University of Tampa’s leadoff hitter was the nephew of the Phillies’ GM. The Phillies hardly fielded a full-strength lineup or pitching staff, but they also lost by the widest margin. The other three college wins were decided by one run, one run, and two runs. So this is a game worth keeping in the back of your mind.
But really, the focus shouldn’t be on the college wins. That’s not the point; the point is that the college wins are overwhelmed by the college losses. The college teams have lost 94% of the time, and they’ve very frequently been blown out. This despite the fact that the major-league players haven’t really cared. This despite the fact that the major-league players have often been pulled early, if they’ve even played at all. The college players have all been highly energized, eager to try to beat some of the best in the world. You can’t blame them for their enthusiasm. They’ve gotten destroyed. Collectively, it hasn’t even been a contest. Why would you ever expect it to be a contest?
We spend almost all of our time watching major-league baseball teams. That means we spend almost all of our time watching major-league baseball players. When there’s a player who doesn’t seem to belong, his numbers are bad, and fans clamor for the player to go away. That very player who doesn’t belong in the majors — maybe he belongs in Triple-A. Maybe he belongs in Double-A. But, whatever the case, that very player is amazing. Everyone we get to see play in the majors is amazing.
Thursday is going to be opening day. Prepare to be amazed. And try, if you can, not to take it for granted. Baseball’s a lot harder than the pros make it look. Just ask any player at Florida Southern College.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

I for one think that Manatee C.C. is a far better name than the State College of Florida. Soooooo boring. If they wanted to up their game from a community college, they should have gone with Manatee State!
Either way they’re just a sea cow college.
This was a great day-before-the-season-starts reminder. Thanks!
This article reminds me off the times Cameron would say a player stinks/sucks/etc and Carson would talk about how such and such player was still one of the best in the world.
Elizabeth Swaney, for one, whole-heartedly endorses that Olympic idea.
http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/how-freeskier-elizabeth-swaney-made-it-olympics-simple-halfpipe-run
I get why people are mad about her, but for exactly the reason Sullivan mentions I thought it was awesome.
I never understood any of the direct personal anger towards her. There was a system in place, and likely will be in place to some degree in the next Olympics, and she qualified properly.
Giancarlo Stanton hit a two-run homer off of Michael Rudman in that Marlins loss to University of Miami. Rudman was listed as 5-9, 165 pounds and he never played pro baseball. I can only assume giving up this home run was the highlight of his baseball career.
Totally agreed, the highlight of my high school basketball career was getting dunked on by a future G League player
Jermaine Dye dunked on me in high school. My mom still talks about it.
I hit a single off of Rich Harden at 16.
I played a game against the same high school that Brad Hand went to a year after he graduated.
How many times has that story gotten you laid?
I’m going to guess zero. My reaction to that is my reaction when guys ask me how many times my fancy sports car has gotten me laid: “You clearly don’t understand women.”
Yeah, but how old was Harden?
I played in the Netherlands 18u national team with Roger Bernadina and Rick van den Hurk. They were by far the best players on that team, most of us weren’t any better than an average community college player. At the world championship Youliesky Gourriel hit a single off me. Adam Loewen called me a pussy in front of 5,000 people after I threw him two breaking balls and two change ups. Awesome.
Even though I was considered talented enough to gain some interest from scouts, these guys were not even stars at the MLB level and already so much better than their peers.
Also, none of the above facts get me laid since barely anyone in the Netherlands know anyone of these players.
I was just wondering about this–thank you!!!
I think I know what MLB players feel like playing college teams: One time in High School I was asked to arm wrestle a girl at an assembly in front of the whole school. I was somewhat of phenom at the time at arm wrestling (it’s weird I know). The girl that I was to arm wrestle was a very large, husky, but muscular young lady. I decided beforehand that I would make a good show of it, then let her take me down. But when I looked across the table, and I saw the look in her eye, I second guessed myself. She actually thought she could beat me. She was super intense and staring me down. The match began and she pushed and pulled and grunted. I held her for while, let her inch my arm closer and closer to the pad… then slammed her arm down on the other side. Heather Bateman was her name. I think the college players playing MLB teams are a lot like Heather Bateman.
Just about every team on here is in the Grapefruit League. Don’t know what that means, exactly, but it seems to be a thing.
Lots of college teams in the north will come down to Florida to start their season, as playing games when the field is covered with snow tends to be difficult. No one is going to play Minnesota U. in Minnesota in March.
I do not know if there is something similar for Arizona where lots of college teams gather in the same place.
Btw I don’t think the caring is an advantage for the amateurs. Old school guys love hustle, but hustle doesn’t make you hit or pitch better. The contrary might be true, the more relaxed you are the better.you need a minimum mental focus but wanting it more doesn’t help.clutch isn’t being better with the game on the line, it is being less worse.
I generally agree with that on hitting once a player has a certain level of focus, and my best guess is that the MLB roster players in these games keep at least that level of focus just out of a combination of personal pride and not wanting to strike out a couple times and be on the receiving end of jokes from their teammates.
For the MLB pitchers in these games, though, there’s a question of whether their max velocity is a couple ticks below what it would be in a real game because of lack of adrenaline and just generally not wanting to run the slightly higher injury risk of throwing at max effort in one of these exhibition games.
It could also manifest in defense, as I would assume (or at least hope) that the MLB players in these games have an understanding, if not outright instructions from the manager, to take it relatively easy and avoid trying to go max effort to make a defensive play with even a hint of injury risk.
I also wonder how many college teams have their best pitcher going.
Don’t forget that the Jays play Canada’s National and Junior National teams from time to time too!
He’s not on the Orioles anymore, but:
“Ryan Flaherty is the worst player on the Orioles and better at playing baseball than anyone you personally know is good at anything they do”
Level of competition in first-division NCAA baseball is equivalent to what, Low-A I guess?
Do A- teams, or minor league spring training teams play college teams? I would bet that the A- teams win at least 80% of the time…
I came into relief with the bases loaded my senior and Mansfield legacy’s first district game for the school. They had a junior 1st baseman by the name of Noah Syndergaard who 1st pitch oppo bombed off me. Next at bat I struck him out with a high heater.
Close calls from https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/United_States_Military_Academy
April 29, 1966: New York Yankees 1, Army Cadets 0 (7 innings)
The game’s only run scored on a first-inning force-out by Mickey Mantle. The Yankees got only four hits, but Jim Bouton threw six scoreless innings and Dooley Womack got the save. Manager Johnny Keane fined Joe Pepitone $250 for failing to get into uniform for the game. Pepitone, who had been feeling feverish, drove his car up (giving Mantle a lift) instead of taking the team bus.
The prior year Mets manager Casey Stengel suffered a broken right wrist when he caught his spikes on the concrete ramp outside the West Point gym.
The Yankees played the US Military Academy at West Point on March 30, 2013. Yankees won 10-5.
https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-victorious-in-return-to-west-point/c-43560392