Where Stephen Piscotty Got the Power

Going into the season, Stephen Piscotty was projected to be a contact and patience guy because that’s what he’d been in the minor leagues for the most part. But this offseason, he had a plan, and he changed his approach and mechanics in order to be a better player. Perhaps the projections going forward are a little light, given the changes he’s made.

Preseason Steamer projections had Piscotty with a .114 isolated slugging percentage, on par with Logan Forsythe and Ryan Sweeney. After a power surge in Triple-A for 370 plate appearances, and four major league homers, the rest of season projection is now up to a .133 level, or Coco Crisp and Desmond Jennings level.

That’s improvement, but what if he’s fundamentally changed and the projections are still light?

“In the offseason I made an attempt to tap into more power, that was a big offseason goal,” the outfielder said before a game with the Giants. In order to do that, the outfielder tried to get a “flatter bat path, not so much down to the ball.” The elbows turned out to be a big key. “I worked on getting my back elbow a little closer to my body to get more extension. The whole thing was about getting more extension.”

Here’s video of his swing in 2013:

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Here is Piscotty in 2015:

It does look like Piscotty is trying to get the bat down to the hitting zone first in order to have a flatter path through the zone. It’s hard to see the tucked in elbow from this angle, but there is a difference.

Particularly at one moment, it seems that Piscotty is doing a better job maximizing his leverage. Look at these freeze frames from 2013 and 2015 next to each other.

Piscotty201315
Piscotty near the moment of impact in 2013 (left) and 2015 (right).

On the right, Piscotty’s body is angled better to produce a fly ball. His left shoulder is a little higher, and maybe his right shoulder is more tucked in, and all of this creates a different swing plane. A swing plane more conducive to power.

Beyond the changes Piscotty has made, there are two things that are different about the major leagues that may aid in his attempt to retain these power gains.

For one, the major league ball goes further, on average, in controlled experiments. Piscotty is now hitting more fly balls — his minor league average was 1.74 ground balls per every outfield fly ball, and he changed that to 1.18 in Memphis this year. He’s hitting 1.6 ground balls per outfield fly ball right now, but batters usually hit more fly balls as they age, and the hitter himself said that his 140 major league plate appearances are still “a small sample size.” Each additional fly ball should help take him advantage of the livelier major league ball.

Major league velocity is also higher than in the minor leagues. Nate Stoltz showed that 36% of the pitchers in High-A averaged less than 90 mph on their fastball. 17% of qualified major league starters this year average less than 90, and it’s even less if you start counting relievers. Bat speed is roughly six times more important to batted ball exit velocity than the incoming velocity, but that means that incoming velocity is still important. And if we can assume that Piscotty’s bat speed is the same now as it was in the minors, we could expect a small boost in exit velocity due to the pitchers he’s facing.

Especially since he likes fastballs — he’s top ten in work per 100 fastballs so far. “I’ve always liked hitting velocity, I like hitting fastballs, I like when the pitchers supply the power,” Piscotty said of hitting the hard stuff.

It’s true that the added velocity and different major league ball are factors that are equally true for all young players, and so the projections account for them, in essence. But Stephen Piscotty may be uniquely suited to take advantage of them. Particularly with the adjustments he’s made to his swing.





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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BigDaddyCool
10 years ago

I do not believe in this swing change. Piscotty is a mediocre player who would not be talked about if he were a Cubs’ prospect. He would be burried behind a flood of better prospects. Kiley give 50 FV at best. Cameron has seen him and says he’s a fourth outfielder.

No reason to think he is any good. Maybe 1 win player at best over a full season. Certainly nothing to write home about.

ceee
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I guess scouts have never been wrong before?
A rookie 36 games into his career and has a .944 OPS & 1.5 War.
yeah, you’re right lets not talk about it. He sucks.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  ceee

I will trust Kiley and Dave over any other scout any day of the week.

deez nutz
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

if you want a site to orgasm over your team, try ESPN. they love the cubs

Matt Carpenter, Allen Craig and Matt Adams
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

No Cardinals non-prospect has ever emerged into a solid major league hitter.

Ben Cherington
10 years ago

haha Allen Craig.

Cmart's cups
10 years ago

The problem here is that Piscotty is very much a real prospect and has been highly rated by many respected places like BA and BP. For whatever reason Kiley does not think that much of him, which is fine – each scout has his own perspective. And Cameron is a good writer but is not a scout nor a prospect guy. Not to pick on Dave because he generally does great work, but he said Carlos Martinez was only a reliever when everybody else was seeing a starter with three plus pitches.

Piscotty may not be a super star and yes the babip will come down, but he is a very good prospect who looks like he will be a very good player.

Za
10 years ago
Reply to  Cmart's cups

Kiley misses far more often than the average scout from what I’ve seen. Much of what he writes is borderline nonsense.

K
10 years ago
Reply to  Cmart's cups

Sounds objective and evidence-based.

Cmart's cups
10 years ago
Reply to  Cmart's cups

I wouldn’t say that about Kiley. He’s a good analyst who puts out a good product.

Za
10 years ago

You’re forgetting a certain first ballot HoF 13th rounder…

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

ESPN has an article about the cubs and their airline pajamas if you prefer.

WachaWachaWacha
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

A waaaaaahmbulance has been dispatched to your location to soothe your inferiority complex.

Famous Mortimer
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

“Cameron has seen him”. I like how you make out that’s in any way impressive. In other words, he’s gone to mlb.tv and made three clicks?

Bill
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Betting against the Cardinals player development process is a losing game. I’m not a Cards fan, but their prowess in this area is difficult to deny. It seems even their most mediocre prospects become successful big leaguers. They have the best record in the league with a nearly entirely homegrown team. This isn’t the result of years of high draft picks like in Chicago or Houston. Most of these guys were panned by other talent evaluaters. I would have bet against Carpenter, Adams, Lynn, Wacha, Garcia, Miller (turned in to Heyward), and Grichuk, yet they hit on all of these guys. This can’t be dumb luck.

Lanidrac
10 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Grichuk was drafted by the Angels and traded to St. Louis while still in the minors (as with Wainwright and the Braves), but otherwise you make an excellent point. Even if you just consider all the guys they draft in the second half of the first round or the supplemental round (Colby Rasmus, Chris Perez, Miller, Lynn, Wong, Wacha, Piscotty, etc.), they hit on solid MLB players more often than most teams.

DJ
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

hurr durrr

It sure doesn’t sound like you have any inherent bias towards any particular team.

florida ron
10 years ago

I mean come on. He has a .408 babip, a 5% walk rate and 4 big league home runs. Voodoo machine in overdrive, don’t be shocked to see him back in Memphis next year.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  florida ron

Very true, florida ron. As I’ve said before, this is entirely babip driven. Some extra good luck for him going on, that’s all. We will definitely see him back in Memphis next year once regression hits.

Cool Alt Accounts
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Must feel good posting as several people just to agree with yourself.

Bill
10 years ago
Reply to  florida ron

Yes, that’s a high BABIP. However, if you scale that down to .320 you still have a .260 hitter. Add in the fact that his K% is at 20% now, and lower in the minors, if he can cut that to 15% then maybe we are looking at .275. Add in 10-12 HRs and SBs and solid defense and you’ve got a pretty good all around player. Maybe not an all star, but 3 WAR possible for a few years.

Jerry
10 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Those seem to be awfully friendly visions of regression. A .320 BABIP would top his minor league BABIP performance and would be above league average despite Piscotty being no speedster. And it seems rather optimistic to expect him to cut his K% to below AAA performance against MLB-quality pitching. Nothing is impossible, of course, and articles like this one a treat to read regardless of whether a player seems likely to continue to be awesome or not. But I’d take the under on Piscotty putting up MLB career BABIP and K% at .320 and 15% respectively.

Cmart's cups
10 years ago
Reply to  Jerry

One thing to note is that Piscotty’s walk rate figures to trend up as he sees less pitches in the zone. Piscotty has had good to very good BB rates in the minors. Once pitchers adjust and start throwing him pitches out of the zone, he has a history of being patient enough in the minors to have a good OBP.

The new power output seems real based on all the evidence we have. Piscotty is on pace to double his previous high in homers between AAA and MLB this year.

Piscotty also has a track record of not striking out a lot and spraying the ball all over the field, making it much harder to shift against him. He also has plus D in right.

Add it all up and you have an 4-5 win, all-star potential based on the profile. Maybe he doesn’t quite get there and he’s a 3-4 win guy. Still a great asset to have under team control for 6 more years.

FLORIDA wRONg
10 years ago
Reply to  florida ron

Exactly. He sucks. And yet they yammer on and on about him. But no one will ever talk about Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, Soler. et al. Bryant’s already better than peak Mike Schmidt; Castro as good in the field as that overrated Ozzie Smith; Schwarber’s got more potential than Bryce Harper. Cubs are better than 5th place for the first time in six years but all anyone can talk about is the stupid cheating Cardinals who are a mere 39 games over .500. What have the Cardinals even done in the last 15 years, anyway, with half of the money Cubs’ money? People act like we’re underachievers, but I say they can suck it because we’ve had five -FIVE- divisional titles since 1945. Who’s dominant now, bitches?

baseballfan123
10 years ago
Reply to  FLORIDA wRONg

Uh?

GBS
10 years ago
Reply to  FLORIDA wRONg

I think/hope this is some serious sarcasm.

Jayke Airietta
10 years ago

Good thing nothing has happened in baseball besides Stephen Biscotti hitting 4 homers.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  Jayke Airietta

Very true, also. Arrieta throws a stellar no-no with 12 ks against one of the very best offenses in baseball and we get an article about fluky Cards’ players. Cardinals and Pirates certainly rule the roost here at fangraphs. Some more love for a present and future dynasty in the Chicago Cubs would be nice.

Eno Sarris
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Come on man. You know why I wrote about the Cardinals? Because they were in town on Friday and I interviewed them. Major conspiracy there, in the schedule. Later this week I’ll write about an Angel, most likely, because they’re in town. Come on man.

There will be an Arrieta piece later today. I’m interviewed him three times and have published three interviews but I was not in Los Angeles last night.

Jon. M
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Not even worth the breath, man. People will always find something to cry about.

Johnny Nash
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

C’mon Eno. We all know that Sullivan threw that Arrieta piece together just to appease BigDaddyCool. Don’t even try to deny it.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Original title: BigDaddyCool Gets His Celebration

Ben
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Good article man, thanks for putting in the time and effort.

bob
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Since we are deprived of NotGraphs, could we all just compromise and start a new site call NotBigDaddyCool and block this guy from posting?

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

bob – Free speech is a thing, and I have my free speech rights. You cannot blog me just because I tell it like it is.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

*block

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Actually, you do not have the right of free speech in a private space. Free speech is a *privilege*, and the only right you have is to leave the space as you please to exercise your free speech elsewhere.

Highrent
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Its overblown kiley in chant said that his power surge could be him figure out so hed stick a future 55 on him. Even kiley thought he was a starter but no one coukd fogure why he took so long to beat the stanford grounder philosophy.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

LHPSU – What are you, the Gestapo? The only right I have is to leave this space because you don’t like what I’m saying?

Your attitude closely mirrors some horrible dictators throughout history.

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Those who don’t understand free speech should not embarrass themselves by invoking it.

Sam
10 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

Free Speech is pretty simple really. The Government cannot harm you based on the views you express. Fangraphs is not the government and they are free to block you or do whatever they want based on you being a blowhard.

CircleChange11
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Sports Illustrated Cover isn’t enough?

People know that the Cardinals are the best team in baseball, right? Even though they lost their ace and star outfielder. Their the best team in the best division. They should be written about a lot.

Haven’t the cards basically gone unnoticed this year while everyone is falling in love with the new “winners” on the north side? Or is that just because I live in North Central IL?

I’ve heard and read more about the Cubs than the cards and Pirates combined.

It’s not a big deal. At this point, when I see an article I’m not interested in I just move on. There are other articles.

Theo "Golden Boy" Epstein
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Yeah Fangraphs hates me. Their commenters though, they couldn’t get enough of me.

Malcolm-Jamal Hegyes
10 years ago

Lol.

Spencer
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Your bitterness has literally overtaken this entire comments section. Hopefully you feel better after getting that off your chest.

Sam
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I don’t know why any Cubs fan would feel like his team isn’t getting enough coverage. Its not like the Pirates and Astros didn’t complete rebuilds which are just as impressive with a small fraction of the money.

SMH at the dynasty comment. They have a bright future, but I don’t necessarily see them passing even the Cards or Pirates anytime soon.

Highrent
10 years ago
Reply to  Sam

Im not complaining about cubs coverage since they are intriguing but come on there is plenty of love for the cubs here. There was swing analysis of half the team last week geez.

Matt
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

BDC, the Cards are the best team in MLB and are frankly rarely covered on this site compared to how well they’ve played. Don’t make us Cubs fans look bad; we get more than our fair share of coverage!

IsIt2015Yet?
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Worst poster on FG. Go away, troll-breath. Go find a site that denigrates pitch-framing and shifts as the BS voodoo you think they are.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  IsIt2015Yet?

I have another nomination for worst poster – you. You misrepresent my positions and blatantly lie and slander. I don’t think pitch-framing and shifts are “voodoo,” I think they are very real and observable things. My argument is that they have nothing to do with being talented or adding an aesthetic element to the game. Opps, sorry, aesthetic might be too complex a word for your level of discourse, “Troll-breath”.

Everdisco
10 years ago
Reply to  IsIt2015Yet?

Hey!

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  Jayke Airietta

Yeah, because there’s zero chance this article was finished and ready to go before last night’s game even began, right?

Sam
10 years ago
Reply to  Jayke Airietta

That was the third no hitter this month. Do you expect a parade?

Ty
10 years ago

Why all the hate for Piscotty? All he has done is perform in the minor and major leagues, and the author decided to write about it because the player has gone on record as purposefully changing his swing to achieve the results that he is now achieving. Commenters here are acting like high school girls with their vitriol and name-calling.

JeremyR
10 years ago
Reply to  Ty

Two reasons:

Firstly, he’s a Cardinals

Secondly, sabermetrics has become a religion. Anyone who defies sabermetric projections is a heretic and thus should be burned at the stake as a witch for not conforming to the sabermetric bible.

Or an object of gleeful anticipation of failure when he reverts.

I had to give up reading Viva El Birdoes because the people there constantly rag on Grichuk (and to a lesser extend Pham and Piscotty) because they are convinced he’s a terrible player and every time he does something good, it’s just a fluke. (Not to mention all the pining for Peter Bourjos. I don’t get that either)

Famous Mortimer
10 years ago
Reply to  JeremyR

Agreed with the weird sense of glee at people who outperform their projections, at the thought of them regressing. Quite a few saber-people seem genuinely annoyed that reality doesn’t match their mathematical models.

Paper Lions
10 years ago

Doesn’t feel that way to me.

Seems like the most common phenomenon is people not understanding that only the mean (or median) projection is posted and they act like that is the likely out come. Just because something is “most likely” doesn’t make it particularly likely when the error bars are huge….which they typically are for prospects.

“Saber people” understand that projections are just that and that the means are typically wrong…if they weren’t then baseball would be a lot easier to predict, but it isn’t because player skills and health are dynamic.

mooks
10 years ago

BigDaddyCool seems like a real hothead!

Cmart's cups
10 years ago

Great piece, Eno. You provide some of the most valuable content here. Don’t listen to BigDaddyCool and Florida ron. These guys are professional trolls. Fangraphs really needs to come up with some authorized comment system like SB Nation to prevent trolls.

Zman
10 years ago
Reply to  Cmart's cups

If other posters just ignored their comments they would go away.

Sam
10 years ago

I do believe the power increase is real but I suspect that he’s also getting either some luck or an easy go around his first time through the league because his MLB numbers are even better than his AAA numbers this year and he had the new swing in AAA this year too.

He’s probably closer to a 3 WAR player than the 5 WAR player he appears to be right now.

Big in Japan
10 years ago

Piscotty clearly won’t BABIP .400 for a whole season. But he also has some positive-regression ahead, as his BB% will presumably rise toward his minor-league median of 9%. That should help keep his overall value high, even as his power/average numbers sink back to a more normal level.

Jake
10 years ago

Piscotty isnt and probably wont be a big time power hitter. But he is a line drive hitter that has spent plenty enough time in the minors for this early success to be real, and consistent. Hes going to be a great ball player. Anyone who disagrees is probably just a jealous fan of another team (Most likely the cubs, pirates, or reds). Dont worry id hate us too. See ya in late October.

BMac
10 years ago
Reply to  Jake

I read the scouting reports on Piscotty, and I saw comments like this:

” McDaniel believes that Piscotty’s physicality can yield more power than he’s exhibited, however. If that’s true — and if Piscotty can retain some of the contact skills in the meantime — then that would produce a fine overall player.” -Carson Cistulli

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-top-five-cardinals-prospects-by-projected-war/

“…the raw power is there for 20 homers, which would make him a middle of the order type bat.” – Kiley himself

Then there is the rating, 55/55 Raw Power.

That tells me, if you see this dude start hitting for power, pick him up.

It’s interesting that many people are citing Kiley as the scout who was down on him; I think you need to read carefully into exactly what he said. I don’t think Kiley was wrong at all.

This article tells me that Piscotty has made exactly the kind of adjustments that everyone was hoping he would do. Talking about BABIP over such a small sample size; have a look at the BABIP of other major leaguers over the past 100 ABs and you’ll see how silly that is.

But the HRs are not flukes, and reflect a trend he started in the minors this year. It would put him on the 20 HR pace that Kiley floated as a possibility.

And for you fantasy fans out there, he has 3B eligibility in ESPN, very cool…

Highrent
10 years ago
Reply to  BMac

Yes great job. Dont worry about the cub fans its frustrating that they have 3rd best record but are more than 8 games back if the division lead.

Highrent
10 years ago
Reply to  BMac

Yrs kiley wasnt wrong just realistic. He always thought piscotty could do it. It just wouldnt come out. In recent chats hes been daying 55 fv and possibly 3 war player. Totally legitimate. People are just amazed that the cards can continue to find contribution despite enormous injury concerns.

Paul
10 years ago

His newfound .203 ISO at AAA should be cautioned with the more-extreme-than-the-California-League PCL league offensive. I would guess the ISO is only a little bit higher than his other stops compared to the league averages. And, of course, I don’t need to remind Fangraphs readers about his 140 PA sample size in the majors.

Paper Lions
10 years ago
Reply to  Paul

No, it shouldn’t….because he didn’t play in one of the Pacific divisions of the PCL, where the hitter friendly parks are…which is also why wRC+ stats in for the PCL are wonky…because they are league but NOT park adjusted…meaning that Pacific division player performances look better than they should and American division player performances look worse than they should.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago

I am a successful business man and I do evaluating of talent for a living. I know talent when I see it in every avenue of life. Piscotty does not have what it takes to be more than a mediocre player. He does not have the power, talent or quick twitch that guys like Bryant and Schwarber (also, Harper to an extent) have. He may well make it to 2 wins a year if he can run a very high BABIP, but otherwise I don’t see it.

Jorge Fabregas
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

lol

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Pig farmers evaluate talent for a living too.

Zman
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

power, talent or quick twitch that guys like Bryant and Schwarber (also, Harper to an extent)

You think really highly of Harper, LOL.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

LHPSU –

I get that you don’t like me, but you have the rhetoric of Kim Jong-un. Doesn’t sound like you like free speech or the U.S. Constitution very much.

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Oh, did I make you unhappy by exercising my right of free speech?

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Nope, you can say whatever you want. I would say your “speech” shows you’re not a very intelligent person though, since you rely on person attacks such as call me a “pig farmer” instead of actually addressing my arguments.

No LHPSU, you have the right to make yourself look as dumb as you want. I would never take that away from you.

LHPSU
10 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

That you consider “pig farmer” to be an insult is a good indicator of both your lack of intelligence and lack of respect for other professions. Looks like the point flew way over your head.

For the record, I would not trust a baseball scout to evaluate the qualities of a pig. Unlike you, I have respect for pig farmers.

Sam
10 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I was just going to say that your grasp of reality is reminiscent of Kim Jong-Un. He rides unicorns, and you celebrate the Cubs “dynasty”.

Jason Bourne
10 years ago

It’s sad to see the Fangraphs comments have turned into a fucking cesspool of trolls and idiots. I thought this place was better than that but anonymity brings out the worst in people, I suppose.

BigDaddyCool
10 years ago
Reply to  Jason Bourne

Mr. Bourne –

What a hilarious hippocrite you are. Using coarse language and ranting about anonymity while using a fake name yourself. I must assume that you yourself are the troll.

As for myself, people call me a troll because I oppose the groupthink that occurs among many groups of people, especially the comments section here. There is so much groupthink and lack of diversity of opinion that you would think Fangraphs has paid people to comment in agreement with one another.

Also, I full support making Fangraphs a verified account commenting system. It would get rid of the many TRUE trolls who use my username to comment. In fact, I hope they start a verified account system asap. BigDaddyCool will be there to sign up on day one, and that way everyone can hold me accountable and know it’s me posting and not a troll.

Spudchukar
10 years ago

Those who are dissing Piscotty aren’t watching him everyday. The guy has a degree in Engineering from Stanford. So far he has shown the ability to hit all pitches. There is no one way to get him out. When asked what was the biggest difference between AAA and the Bigs, he said the enormous amount of info available, particularly pitching patterns, which of course he devours with ease. He is fast, but not a burner, but is a very intelligent baserunner. He takes excellent routes to the ball, gets great jumps, and has shown a very good accurate arm. He has played first base, left field, center field, and right field, and can fill in at 3B, his original position, in a pinch. He hits the ball to all fields, making him difficult to defense, contributing to his high BABIP. He is a complete player, with no deficiencies, a high Baseball IQ, and is 24. Look for him to man an outfield position for the Cardinals for a long, long, time.

GBS
10 years ago
Reply to  Spudchukar

Good point about Piscotty attending Standord. The infamous “Standford swing” emphasizes a flat swing plane and solid contact over an uppercut and power. It seems Piscotty is transitioning away from what he was taught in college to what will work better for him in the majors. Congrats to him for making the adjustments necessary to be more successful.

Matt
10 years ago

I know how worthless comps are, but is there any reason why this guy can’t end uo with a Michael Cuddyer type career?

florida ron
10 years ago

You want to see the loons come out, just make a less than glowing comment about a cardinal player. It is a special fantasy world their fan base resides in.

Spudchukar
10 years ago
Reply to  florida ron

Reality check for you. W-85 L-46. 2015 Current Standings.