Where the Indians Are Baseball’s Most Valuable Team
It’s funny. The team I know the most about is the team I try hardest not to write about for FanGraphs. I write about the Indians enough as it is for my job, and it’s nice to be able to write about other teams once in a while. But also, I don’t want my posts to be viewed as tainted with potential homerism. I’d like to believe I don’t let much, if any, bias slip into my writing, but it could be viewed that way. Nevertheless, here I am writing a post called “Where the Indians Are Baseball’s Most Valuable Team.”
But! I’m not the only one who is high on the Indians for 2015. A couple weeks back, Mike Petriello called the Indians his sleeper team for 2015, and when he claimed the post on our internal message board, he called them “your 2015 World Champion Indians.” That’s right, Petriello. I just put you on blast. You all should call him out on this when it doesn’t happen.
Then, yesterday afternoon, the always excellent Jonah Keri sent out a tweet that inspired me to write a post I’ve been considering writing for several weeks now.
Started working on favorite article series of the year, MLB Trade Value. Early reaction: Indians are in pretty good shape.
— Jonah Keri (@jonahkeri) November 18, 2014
Let’s get a couple things straight. The Indians, obviously, are not baseball’s best team. Far from it. Right now, our depth charts have them 11th in projected WAR, which is higher than the two teams that just played in the ALCS, but worse than the division rival Tigers. This is why I went with the word “value” in the title. There’s a difference.
Then we’ve got the word “where.” This implies that the team itself is not the best value team, but that one part of it is. Let’s start talking about that specific part of the team, since that’s what this post is about.
The most recent version of the Indians starting rotation that we saw was pretty amazing. Carson Cistulli wrote about their month of September, which he called their “Cy Young month.” Corey Kluber actually did win a Cy Young due in part to his strong finish, and he wasn’t even the Indians best pitcher down the stretch. What we saw most recently in the past was great, and what we can see looking ahead appears to be pretty great, too.
Head on over to our depth charts and you’ll find the top projected rotation in the MLB belonging to the Washington Nationals. Makes sense. They led the majors in pitching WAR last year and are bringing back the same five guys. Right behind the Nationals, and tied with the Mariners, are the Indians. The Indians are projected to have the second-best rotation in baseball in 2015, and that’s with a forecast that absolutely hates Trevor Bauer. Bauer was almost impossibly bad through his first eight career starts, which masks the fact that he put together a pretty decent season in 2014. If you think he’s closer to a +1.0 WAR pitcher in 2015 than replacement-level pitcher, and you trust the rest of the projections, you could reasonably conclude that the Indians current rotation projects to be the best in the MLB, according to Steamer.
A little earlier, I mentioned the difference between production and value. There’s no problem with paying for production. The Marlins just gave Giancarlo Stanton $325 million and it doesn’t seem so crazy. The Dodgers aren’t regretting all the money they gave to Clayton Kershaw. But not everyone’s got that kind of money. The Indians are one of those teams, so they need to find value where they can. Value, most simply, can be viewed as the difference between cost and production. We’ve already established that the Indians starting rotation projects to be very productive. Let’s use Baseball Prospectus’ Cot’s Contracts and MLBTradeRumors’ projected arbitration salaries to estimate what they’ll cost.
- Corey Kluber: $524,000
- Danny Salazar: $501,500
- Carlos Carrasco: $1.4 million
- Trevor Bauer: $550,000
- T.J. House: $500,000
- Total: ~$3.5 million
So in Cleveland, you’ve got a rotation projected to be one of the best in the MLB under contract for a grand total of about three and a half million dollars. For comparison, John Danks is set to earn $15.75 million in 2015. The Nationals will pay their staff an estimated $48 million. The Tigers, as they currently stand, will pay what projects to be an inferior rotation about $76 million.
Those five guys, who will earn less than $4 million dollars, are projected to be worth about 11 WAR in an era where 1 WAR generally gets about $7 million on the open market. That’s the definition of value, and a blueprint of how to run a small market franchise.
Obviously, in terms of $/WAR, no rotation can best the current Indians staff. But I was interested to see just how far ahead of the pack they are. What I did was use the aforementioned salary tools, along with our depth charts, to project dollars and WAR for every five-man rotation in the MLB. For the surplus value column, I assumed the standard $7M/WAR. There’s some guesswork here, as not all teams have a set five, but there’s no perfect way to do this and this should be close enough. Here’s the table that spawned from my research:
| Team | Salary ($M) | Proj. WAR | $/WAR | Value |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Indians | $3.50 | 11.0 | $0.32 | +$73.50 |
| Marlins | $9.35 | 8.4 | $1.11 | +$49.45 |
| Rays | $12.26 | 8.5 | $1.44 | +$47.24 |
| Mariners | $33.43 | 11.5 | $2.91 | +$47.07 |
| Athletics | $24.50 | 9.8 | $2.50 | +$44.10 |
| Cardinals | $26.60 | 9.8 | $2.71 | +$42.00 |
| Rangers | $19.65 | 7.8 | $2.52 | +$34.95 |
| Nationals | $47.70 | 11.8 | $4.04 | +$34.90 |
| Astros | $12.40 | 6.5 | $1.91 | +$33.10 |
| White Sox | $23.75 | 7.8 | $3.04 | +$30.85 |
| Braves | $10.99 | 5.9 | $1.86 | +$30.31 |
| Pirates | $20.97 | 7.3 | $2.87 | +$30.13 |
| Mets | $19.75 | 7.1 | $2.78 | +$29.95 |
| Blue Jays | $39.75 | 9.8 | $4.06 | +$28.85 |
| Red Sox | $14.34 | 6.0 | $2.39 | +$27.66 |
| Royals | $21.20 | 6.6 | $3.21 | +$25.00 |
| Cubs | $11.88 | 5.2 | $2.28 | +$24.53 |
| Rockies | $23.30 | 6.6 | $3.53 | +$22.90 |
| Orioles | $23.05 | 6.3 | $3.66 | +$21.05 |
| Padres | $21.30 | 6.0 | $3.55 | +$20.70 |
| D-backs | $22.35 | 6.0 | $3.73 | +$19.65 |
| Twins | $28.85 | 6.8 | $4.24 | +$18.75 |
| Yankees | $50.90 | 9.9 | $5.14 | +$18.40 |
| Reds | $43.00 | 7.5 | $5.73 | +$9.50 |
| Giants | $59.38 | 9.7 | $6.12 | +$8.52 |
| Angels | $43.80 | 7.2 | $6.08 | +$6.60 |
| Brewers | $37.55 | 6.3 | $5.96 | +$6.55 |
| Dodgers | $72.90 | 11.1 | $6.57 | +$4.80 |
| Tigers | $76.40 | 11.4 | $6.70 | +$3.40 |
| Phillies | $54.66 | 6.5 | $8.41 | -$9.16 |
So, yeah. That bodes well for the Indians. This isn’t necessarily a table where the top is the best place to be and the bottom is the worst. The Dodgers and Tigers aren’t in terrible spots, for example, because their payroll allows them to do what they’re doing and they’re getting what they paid for. But nothing beats the combination of elite production at a cheap cost. The Rays and Marlins have productive, cheap rotations, but no team even comes close to what the Indians are getting.
This says a lot about the Indians in the present, but it could say more about the Indians in the future. Talks have already begun swirling about a Corey Kluber extension, but the Indians shouldn’t be in any rush to get that done as Kluber is under team control through the 2018 season, when he’ll be 32. Salazar and Bauer aren’t even arbitration eligible until 2017 and House won’t be until later than that. When you consider that $30 million of their ~$80 million annual payroll is wrapped up in Nick Swisher and Michael Bourn, who could come off the books in 2018, this cost effective rotation could allow a team that is close to contention to fill whatever holes they have in free agency when the time comes.
The Indians project to have one of the best five-man rotations in baseball, and those five will earn a third as much as the next cheapest rotation in the league. That’s not a bad situation to be in.
August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.
Wow that is incredible. Great article.
Do the Indians give Kluber a “good will bonus” for winning the CY Young even if it is not part of his contract?? Seems like a good thing to do for future contract negotiations sake.
It doesn’t really change your conclusion, but I’d go with expected surplus value (WAR minus typical cost/WAR) as a better measure of quality of pitching value than simple $/WAR.
Your chart has the nationals in 20th place at over $4 million/WAR, but using $7 million/WAR as a base value they produce the eighth highest value rotation, which I think is more reflective.
$4million/WAR is largely meaningless; $34.9 million in surplus value in pitching tells us they’re doing pretty well.
Whoops, good call. That’s actually the table I meant to include and I screwed up. It’s changed now.
I used to be the only one who was high on the Indians.
bazinga!
I love it when people say nice things about the Cleveland Indians.
One quibble: You say “The Tigers, as they currently stand, will pay what projects to be an inferior rotation about $76 million”, but your table shows the Tigers as slightly superior at 11.4 WAR vs the Indians’ 11.0.
1. your SP $/war chart demonstrates why $7m/war is a ridiculous price to pay or assume that 1 WAR is worth. sure, that may be what the most lucrative contracts for (relatively) proven superstars indicate, but if, according to your projections, only 1 team is actually paying $7m+/war, it seems these commonly accepted guidelines are out of touch
2. the linked SP depth projections themselves seem out of touch with reality. ROY de grom pitching to an ERA near 4? garrett richards’ 3.62 ERA/under 3 wins–after 4.4 WAR in 168 IP? none of the a’s 3 SPs samardzija, gray, or kazmir generating an ERA under 3.5?
with your data based on this SP depth chart, its hard to have faith in the conclusion you draw, even if its clear the indians are committing highway robbery with their rotation. why does the SP depth chart projections seem to favor significant regression in nearly every single elite-to good 2014 pitcher? i would be blown away if, taken on a large scale, 2015 data is closer to the projections than it is to 2014 data.
$7m is what one WAR is worth *on the free agent market*.
Most teams are made up of a mix of free agents and pre free agent players, which drives the average price down.
This just tells me that, on average, the ‘open market’ is wildly inflated.
With the ‘uneven’ field of plan as it pertains to team salaries, I’d be curious to see an algorithm or hastily-constructed model of how a team could spend X dollars on [free agent, arbitration, trade, low service time] starting pitchers to optimize total wins.
Pretty Please?
De Grom was a rookie last year, and came out of nowhere to a certain extent (at least I’d never heard the hype for him as much as for people like Teheran or Walker). Steamer is projecting regression for him like it does for every elite pitching performance, because performance generally regresses to the mean. And the adjustment is especially steep for him because he has neither a strong Mlb track record, nor a high level pedigree. Feel free to adjust the projection according to your intuition, and you may well be right. In general, though, Steamer and other forecasting systems’ predictions tend to be more right than any individual’s intuition because they’re not vulnerable to human cognitive biases–recency bias, Lake Wobegon effect, selectivity, etc.
I believe Jeff runs some articles in the spring where you can “beat Steamer” by taking the over/under on various projections. Would be interesting to do a retrospective on those articles to see if the crowd was right and there was information that steamer should have incorporated.
Lol phillies.
I am curious to see if the starters effectiveness will start to dwindle with managers going to their bullpen more often and earlier. Obviously this would decrease their innings and therefore their WAR. But I guess that depends more on where the teams strengths lie.
I am never super comfortable using $/WAR, or anything with WAR in the denominator for that matter. WAR is an interval variable and not a ratio variable since it doesn’t have a true zero point (i.e., a WAR of 0 or a negative WAR are possible), and that means you shouldn’t divide by it.
What would happen if, for example, a team were projected to have 0 WAR? Unlikely, but certainly not impossible. Their $/WAR would be infinity. What about a negative WAR? The rotation can’t have negative value. The fact that you can get a divide by zero error means that all values produced by this procedure are probably not valid.
You can reverse the ratio if you like.
Teams can’t spend negative money on their roster; so by your standard that will be valid. But that carries the exact same information! So why not pick the proportion most convenient for what you’re doing?
Negative WAR is possible and it happens, but it also tells you, “These people shouldn’t be getting time in the major leagues”. If a team’s starting rotation has negative WAR, then “ERROR!” is a reasonable conclusion and “N/A” is a reasonable answer the the question of what value they are getting for their money.
Only 7.1 projectedWAR for the Mets rotation in 2015? That sounds really low, especially with Harvey coming back on 18 months rest by April. Even if he’s not 100 percent, Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler, Niese, and Colon (or Dillon Gee if they trade one of those) should be about 10 I’d say, with potential for more with thei mid season call ups (Syndergaard, Steven Matz etc)
I feel badly for Kluber. Dude could start to decline before he ever really cashes in on his skills and accomplishments. I think the Indians will extend him out of good will, but you never know.
Now that Gavin Floyd is a part of the rotation and supposedly Salaazar (???!!?) and House are battling for the final spot, how does this adjust the rankings?