Where the Tigers Have Been Just an Absolute Mess
Earlier today, ESPN published the latest Sam Miller article. The article was in part about the nature of modern-day statistical records, but it was also in large part about Victor Martinez. Specifically, it was in large part about how Victor Martinez has been a dreadful baserunner. Excellent hitter! Dreadful baserunner. Pick your metric, and it’ll agree. Martinez has supplied his teams runs by getting on base, but once he’s gotten that far, he’s been an easy net negative.
Miller is right about all the variables that go into baserunning stats. Stats can’t know all the conditions under which a baserunning event takes place, so sometimes the numbers are misleading. If you’re a runner who stops at third on a double, maybe the outfielder just has a cannon for an arm. If, instead, you score, maybe the outfielder is Khris Davis. No two plays are exactly alike, so, as with any stat, you prefer a sample as big as you can get.
Let’s talk about a big sample, then. A six-year sample, covering not an individual player, but an entire team. This is certainly related to Victor Martinez. When it’s come to baserunning, the Tigers have been a disaster.
I’m sure you’ve played around with our baserunning metric, BsR, before. The best version of BsR — the version including the most data — exists going back to 2002. Since that point, covering 15 years, here’s how the Tigers have done on the bases, where BsR measures runs above or below average.
Peaks, valleys, like you’d expect. The Tigers haven’t always been good, nor have they always been bad. But something looks like it changed in 2011. Through 2010, overall, the Tigers were about average — +3.3 runs, good for 13th place. Then the Tigers acquired Victor Martinez. They have not been about average. This story is best told by a look at the league landscape.
Way to go, Padres! This isn’t about the Padres. I didn’t elect to highlight the Tigers data here, like I usually would, because it sort of highlights itself. The Tigers bring up the rear, at -108.9 runs. The closest team is the White Sox, at -63.7 runs. For a sense of the spread, the White Sox are 1.8 standard deviations below the mean. The Tigers are at 3.1. Over the last six years of baseball, the Tigers have been the worst baserunners, and it’s not even all that close.
Perhaps you have a complaint. This is a form of nitpicking, is it not? Over the same six years, the Tigers lead all of baseball in wRC+, by a full four points. They rank in eighth place in position-player WAR. Absolutely, yes, this is nitpicking, ignoring the forest to call out one ugly tree. The Tigers don’t mind the way they’ve played, because by and large, the team’s been successful. It’s just been successful in its own way. It’s not often you have a team so significantly separating itself from the average.
I already pointed the finger at Martinez, but of course he couldn’t do this all by himself. Since 2011, exactly one Tigers player has been at least 10 runs better than average on the bases, and that player is Ian Kinsler. Meanwhile, six players have been at least 10 runs worse than average on the bases, and those players have been Martinez, Miguel Cabrera, Alex Avila, Prince Fielder, Nick Castellanos, and Jhonny Peralta. Martinez and Cabrera, together, have done most of the damage, rating as the third- and fifth-worst baserunners in baseball over the window. Again, no real complaints. Miguel Cabrera will go to the Hall of Fame. His plaque won’t say anything about his footspeed.
For further detail, I decided to put some numbers together from Baseball-Reference. On this plot, the x-axis reads XBT%. That measures how often baserunners have taken extra bases on hits. The y-axis reads OOB. That measures how often baserunners have made outs on the bases, not counting steals. The x-axis is a rate and the y-axis is a counting stat, but that shouldn’t matter too much. The Tigers’ data point is highlighted in red.
Unsurprisingly, for Detroit, it’s been a bad combo. The lousy baserunning value has to have come from somewhere. The Tigers show up with the second-lowest XBT% in baseball, and yet, at the same time, they’re tied for the third-most outs on the bases. Not included is the fact that the Tigers have attempted steals at the third-lowest rate in baseball, per opportunity. Also, their success rate on steal attempts is fourth-worst. It’s all been bad. They show up as 0-for-5 trying to steal home, somehow.
In a sense, this post looks back, and what’s done is done. Yet the Tigers still have Cabrera. The Tigers still have Martinez. This era of Tigers baseball isn’t complete, and right now, according to Steamer and our depth charts, those two project to be the two least-valuable baserunners around. So allow me to show you a plot that makes me laugh every time I look at it.
It can be tough to project baserunning value, and since the numbers get so strongly regressed to the mean, the values are mostly small. Because they’re small, they’re easy to ignore. Only three teams are projected to be more than five runs away from zero. The White Sox are at -5.4 runs. The Blue Jays, -6.5. And there are the Tigers, at a comical -14.3. To put that a different way, the Tigers’ baserunning is projected to be 3.4 standard deviations worse than the average team’s. As they’ve been, so they are. They’ll hit the crap out of the ball, and then they’ll take their time.
It’s better, naturally, to be good at hitting and bad at baserunning than bad at hitting and good at baserunning. So the Tigers have gotten that part right. It’s the bats that’ll have to keep them near the fringes of the race. The running is still likely going to suck.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.




On the scatterplot, who are the far bottom left team who never runs or gets thrown out and the far top right team who takes tons of bases and makes lots of outs? Two very extreme strategy differences it appears!
My best guess for bottom left would be Baltimore, especially in light of their recent 19 steal season.
I’ve eliminated the Braves, Diamondbacks, Oriels, Red Sox, Cubs, and Indians using BR data. I just look up three years worth of XBT% and if it’s close to averaging 45% I’ll check the other three years. Maybe there’s a better way to do this? It’s pretty slow since I follow one team very closely, sadly to the exclusion of many others, so I’m really shooting blind. Just got a bunch of crap dumped on my desk too, so will have to come back to this later.
For the aggressive team, I’ll guess the Royals, as that’s been their thing the last few years.
It’s the Angels. 428 total OOB and 44.8% XBT over that time. Sorry, took me a minute to get back here.
Excellent analysis, can you please do one for the Oakland A’s last 15 or so years of “defense”? Thanks in adv.
If you have to punt something…punt baserunning. SD, CIN, AZ, MIN, and PHI all in the top 10 in baserunning last year.
SD, CIN, MIN and PHI also trying out a lot of young players, it’s natural that they’ll rank better in baserunning.
Bad teams have more to gain by letting their players run. The breakeven for a steal is considerably lower.
Quick look at 2016 team BsR vs average age of batters (from bbref) has a correlation coefficient of -0.37…it’s there, but not super significant. The lower breakeven point for bad teams is definitely important.
The best part is how he actually missed the entire season of 2012.
How much of Toronto’s -6.5 BsR comes from their new Zamboni manning the DH spot?
http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=14
If I may speak for all Tigers fans when I say…
“Oh, we know.”
Great analysis!
The Tigers are a perfect storm of head-scratching decisions by ownership/front office, terrible on-base management and a lineup that’s very, very good when they’re mashing the ball and horrid when they’re not. Unfortunately, the latter is more frequent than the former.
Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez couldn’t outrun a garden snail, but to be honest, they’re pretty good at what they get paid to do: hit doubles and homers. As long as they create more runs than they wipe out, Detroit’s willing to trade off the double plays they create.
But it’s the complete lack of baserunning skills from the rest of the team — Kinsler somewhat excluded — that’s mind-numbing. Jose Iglesias still looks lost on the basepaths. Whatever Frankenstein’s monster Avila is putting together in center field won’t help matters.
Gene Lemont earned the nickname “Green Light” for atrocious decisions for sending runner after runner to the plate year after year, only to be out by a mile. Without looking it up, I’m willing to bet the Tigers run themselves out of more rallies than any other team in the league, and that’s not counting the pickoffs. They also have to be near the bottom of the league in getting runners home from third with less than two outs.
Ever since Comerica Park was built, the Tigers have been determined to fit a square peg in a round hole. Instead of creating a lineup of 1980s Cardinals-like speedsters, Mike Ilitch and Dave Dombrowski have lusted after slow-footed designated sluggers. Juan Gonzalez? Prince Fielder?
J.D. Martinez would make a great DH. Unfortunately, he’s the worst defensive right fielder in the game. You’ve got Justin Upton, who’d make a great DH. Except he’s a liability in left. You’ve got Nick Castellanos at third, who finally is better than league average, except he’s also a slug. And your catching tandem isn’t real swift, although that’s more because they can’t even get on base.
And yet the team hovers above .500, if only because of the sheer numbers of baserunners created. Inefficiency be damned.
As a Tiger fan, it’s like knowing you’re about to witness a train wreck, but you can’t avert your eyes.
I finally understand the Cameron Maybin trade. The Tigers are TRYING to set some sort of baserunning futility record (note Mikie Mahtook is somehow projected to have a negative BsR for 2017)
What’s even more puzzling about this is the Tigers traded away Cameron Maybin, who was one of their best baserunners in 2016. Since they ‘want to contend’ and he’s on a 1-year deal, you would think they would keep him for 2017.
They also lead the league in GIDP in that stretch. So they are the best team to watch guys get on base and then make outs.
Yeah pretty obvious what the article was about by the headline before reading. My first thought was martinez, martinez, cabrera and wow that’s before a catcher.
In fairness to Miggy & to a smaller extent, Martinez, Avila was constantly hurt & wasn’t on the Tigers last year (but, they brought him back for 2017..good to be the son of the GM!).
You have to actually get on base a bunch to lead in a cumulative stat like that..which, makes Martinez even worse, because he also missed a year & has been on base significantly less than Cabrera over this period. Since 2011, Miggy has been on base 1595 times, Martinez is at 1067, Avila is at 773.
Would love to see a “negative BsR per time on base” stat. I’ll guess Avila would be worse than Miggy, but, not as bad as Martinez.
How can we get Billy Butler on this team?
Yes, Tigers fans know this story well. First, the article should include some mention of Gene Lamont and Dave Clark, the third base coaches. It seems like approximately 348 of the 350 outs on the bases are at home plate. When you are near the top in being thrown out, and at the bottom in taking the extra base, there has to be some fault with the base-coaching, no? Second, this does not even include the lost infield hits and the fact that Victor will hit several balls per year over the OF’s head for a single. The man should be able to get 40-50 doubles per year, he makes a ton of hard contact. But maybe 30% of those are singles instead. One of the funnier TV comments from Rod Allen came from a game where Victor was a triple short of the cycle and Rod was using the telestrater to invent scenarios where Victor could get his cycle, hilarious.
Martinez still has quite a ways to go before he can break Mark McGwire’s record for most consecutive at-bats without a triple, though. The only triple Big Mac ever hit after age 24 (11 years later!) was a robbed home run that fell out of the fielder’s glove and rolled away from him when he fell to the ground.
Yeah but we all know Cabrera can make a run happen on the bases when he really wants to.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-watch-miguel-cabrera-make-a-run-happen/
As a Tigers fan it is so painful to watch our base running, you take good base running for granted until you follow a team that is terrible at it.
You really notice when you watch other teams play, after years of watching terrible base running I’ve been conditioned to assume certain hits only advance a guy 1 base, so when you see guys advance two bases on balls you’re used to only advancing one you think it’s great base running when in reality that’s just how most players and teams do it.