White Sox Begin Teardown in Best Way Possible

At least as far as recent history goes, Chris Sale might’ve been unprecedentedly valuable as a trade asset. We just haven’t seen trades with pitchers so good, signed for so long, to such affordable salaries. It’s fitting, then, that the White Sox convinced the Red Sox to make the recently unprecedented decision to move baseball’s top prospect. There’s nothing fun or painless about initiating a rebuild. It can get fun pretty quick, though, when you land a player like Yoan Moncada.

In all honesty, it’s not entirely clear the White Sox got more for Sale than the Braves got a year ago for Shelby Miller. There are two ways you could interpret that. One, you could choose to believe the White Sox didn’t get enough. But, two, no, that’s not right. This is the price of an ace-level starter, and this just further goes to show how badly the Diamondbacks screwed up. I guess that’s not what’s important now. What’s important now is the White Sox have officially decided to pivot, and this is a hell of a first step.

There are, of course, the players they’d dream about. Players like Alex Bregman or Dansby Swanson or Andrew Benintendi or whoever. You always want to get that Wil Myers, that top prospect you can play in the majors right away. Those players weren’t available for Sale. Teams weren’t going to give up big-league players to get a big-league player. So the White Sox had a decision to make. Get a number of interesting young prospects, or gun for the best young prospect? They got the consensus No. 1, and though the other players included have their own strengths, Moncada alone provides a massive jolt for the White Sox’ organizational future.

Eric just analyzed the White Sox’ return at length. Read that! Victor Diaz has a big arm as a low-level reliever. Those players can move quickly. Luis Alexander Basabe is 20 years old and loaded with tools as an outfielder. He’s a promising lottery ticket. Michael Kopech has drawn substantial attention for his ability to touch 100 miles per hour as a starter. Starting in Double-A, he just struck out literally 40% of all his opponents. His repertoire isn’t polished, he doesn’t always throw strikes, and he’s had some maturity-related issues, so Kopech is a toss-up like anyone else, but even a 50th-percentile outcome might have him relieving effectively in the majors in eight or nine months. Kopech is fun. “Electric” could be the word. Fascinating second piece.

But he’s a distant second piece. Kopech is a pitching prospect who loses the zone. Moncada is a position player, and the best prospect overall. Studies have repeatedly shown that no prospect is close to as valuable as a highly-ranked bat. The White Sox are putting many of their eggs here in the Moncada basket.

There wasn’t going to be another trade anything like this on the table. Other teams would’ve been combining prospects to try to get to enough value. The best position player the Nationals would’ve offered is Victor Robles. The best position player the Braves would’ve offered is Ozzie Albies. The best position player the Astros would’ve offered is Kyle Tucker. Instead of hoping for a few players to pan out, the White Sox mostly focused on one potential superstar. Nobody has the Moncada upside.

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Of course, I don’t want it to come off like Moncada is a lock. He’s not, because no one is, and that includes Chris Sale. People have expected Sale to break down physically for years. Moncada’s reddest-flag issue would be contact. He does swing and miss, and even outside of the big-league cup of coffee, there were a lot of whiffs in Double-A. You generally don’t want your top prospects striking out three times out of every 10 chances. Moncada is very much *not* ready to start in the majors.

But he just had his age-21 season. He’s always been able to walk, his on-contact production is extraordinary, and he moves incredibly well. Even with 31% strikeouts in Double-A, Moncada also ran a 152 wRC+. He just came close to 50 combined stolen bases. The enthusiasm is in part about the high ceiling set by the tools, but it’s not all tools, because Moncada has also produced in the meantime. He hit in regular-A, he hit in high-A, and he hit in Double-A. His profile is remarkably well-rounded.

Odds are, he’s something like a year off. His future position is anything but set. You always have to worry about the n-percent chance Moncada goes all Brandon Wood. But you can compare him to, say, Melvin Upton Jr. If Moncada doesn’t even get all that much better, the Upton path is hardly out of reach. Say Kopech’s 50th-percentile outcome is being a good big-league reliever soon. What would the Upton path be, for Moncada? The 50th-percentile outcome? The 60th-percentile outcome? There’s an awful lot of skillset overlap, and Upton was worth more than 22 wins before his first free-agent year. Maybe I’m exaggerating the likelihood of that, but it’s not by that much. Moncada is a super-talent, with the only actual major drawback being that he’s not ready to play in Chicago yet.

No matter what, the White Sox were always going to get something enormous for their No. 1 pitcher. That hardly even needs to be said, and whether Sale were moved to the Red Sox or Nationals or Astros or wherever, it was going to completely change the picture of their farm system. Good, young big-league hitters weren’t available to Chicago, so they went for the best young non-big-league hitter. It’s a statement way to start a rebuild process, and Moncada’s one of the better prospects that’s been traded in memorable history. Though no one’s ever enthusiastic to blow a roster up, this is one path to quick healing.

Pretty obviously, things should only go from here. There’s no reason for the White Sox to trade Chris Sale if they aren’t also prepared to trade Adam Eaton, Jose Quintana, and the others, so this teardown will be extended and thorough and deep. The signal out of the Chicago front office is clear, at last, and there is going to be so much losing. So much losing of players, and so much losing of games. Those aspects are the unpleasant bits, and season-ticket sales will plummet for a little while. But, the hurt? The hurt is never greater than it is when you move a player like Sale. That’s the gut-punch, and that’s why the White Sox hesitated for as long as they did. That’s now already happened. The worst pain is in the White Sox’ past. Moncada ought to be healing, even if the other interesting players come up short. This is what the front office believes in, and buy-in from the fans should follow in time. Yoan Moncada could be the foundation of a towering structure.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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southie
9 years ago

When beginning a tear down it is generally a good idea to start with Dave Dombrowski.

rustydudeMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  southie

… or Pat Gillick.

LHPSU
9 years ago
Reply to  rustydude

Only because Dave Stewart, the gift that keeps on giving, is no longer around.

Conrad ParrishMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  southie

Coming from a Padres fan… We love Dave Dombrowski

Rational FanMember since 2020
9 years ago

I don’t agree that the White Sox will move Quintana and Eaton. Those guys are locked up under great contracts for nearly the same amount of controllable time as any rookie/prospect you trade for. You might as well build around those guys.

Chris KMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Why on earth is this downvoted? Quintana (28) signed through 2020, Eaton (28) through 2021. Anderson, Rodon, and Fulmer are around, Moncada will be up, Burdi and Collins will be up, maybe even Adams will be up. They will have additional near-MLB talent once they trade Robertson, Frazier, Miguel Gonzalez, Jones, and maybe even Abreu. This team is going to compete in 2019 – you don’t do that by trading away a top-10 OF and a top-10 SP who will be 30 years at the opening of the window. The entire premise of this article presupposes that they’re doing a 4-5 year Cubs or Astros style rebuild, when there’s no reason to think that’s the case.

Rational FanMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Chris K

The White Sox past draft – although far too early to say for sure – had a heck of a start to it. Their first 5 picks all had very good starts to their minor league careers:

1. Collins – Said to be the closest bat to the big leagues when drafted, and has hit. If he continues his progression in AA this year, wouldn’t be surprising to see him up in 2018.

2. Burdi – Should be the teams closer some point this upcoming season. He’s ready for the big leagues already; dominating minor league performance.

3. Hansen – Incredible raw stuff, but huge frame. Stock really plummeted after a poor college season; dropping from the possible #1 overall pick to the 3rd round. Has had a great start to his minor league career: 55 IPS, 1.31 ERA, .8 WHIP, 81 K’s, 20 BB’s between rookie and A ball.

4. Alex Call – a nice start to his minor league career, slashing 308/395/445 between rookie and A ball.

5. Jameson Fisher – a nice start in Rookie ball (obviously old for the level) slashing 342/436/487 in 50 games.

Add them to Moncada, Fulmer, and Adams and the White Sox have a decent grouping of prospects to go along with Tim Anderson, Rodon, Quintana and Eaton and whatever else they get from trading Abreu/Frazier/Robertson… etc.

Trading Quintana and Eaton should only happen if you’re going to get much more than you should. Otherwise, those guys are young and controllable, and should be pieces that anchor you when you start competing again in two years.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

And 2 hours later eaton is gone. Good return. Would guess everyone but rodon and Anderson are dealt.

TommyfastballMember since 2016
9 years ago

I thought the Red Sox got away cheap. We’ll have a negotiating advantage with Sale in two years. I think the risk with Moancada is being VERY understated.

rustydudeMember since 2021
9 years ago
Reply to  Tommyfastball

Oh c’mon! Moncada has to be at least as sure a lock as Jesus Montero was.

johansantana17Member since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  rustydude

Montero is an unfair comparison. Jeff is basing his high-floor analysis of Moncada on his broad set of excellent tools, including power, speed, defense at shortstop and plate discipline. Nobody has ever described Montero as “toolsy”. At the most, he only ever had three tools – power, contact and plate discipline. Even Brandon Wood was never described as a “five-tool prospect” as scouts and analysts always recognized his poor plate discipline, average contact rate and average speed/baserunning.

Tom Dooley
9 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

It wasn’t a comparison. It was a joke.

jdbolickMember since 2016
9 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

Moncada is not a shortstop. He’s primarily played second base but his footwork likely means he won’t stay there, so he’s probably ticketed for third base or the outfield. As a hitter, in addition to his contact issues it should be noted that he has hit 47% more balls on the ground than in the air.

Rex Manning DayMember since 2022
9 years ago
Reply to  Tommyfastball

I wouldn’t bank too much on that negotiating advantage. Sale will hit free agency after the 2018 class blows the market to shreds. Prices be going up.

Also, not for nothing, but it’s worth remembering that Boston paid $63 million to sign Moncada. That money was now essentially spent on Sale. For Boston, Sale is on a 3 year/$102 million contract. To be sure, Sale is a safer product to spend that $63 million on than Moncada is, but still.

Greg
9 years ago

This team is going to be thoroughly unwatchable next season.

MikeSMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Greg

This team has been thoroughly unwatchable for the last four years. 2017 was not going to be any better. They got the start of what they needed. They need to keep going. I know they are going to be bad next year, but I have hope for the first time in several years that they have a plan beyond “Hope some guys have career years to support Sale and Quintana.”

Now I just want them to show me that they can draft and develop a hitter and that they are NOT, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOT going to rush Moncada or anybody else.

Greg
9 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

You’re one of my favorite Sox fan posters, you hold a good perspective and you’re probably right.

I’m just sad to see Sale go, that’s all.

I’ll still watch.

MikeSMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Greg

I absolutely loved watching Chris Sale pitch. I mean, it’s good to see Rodon and Quintana play well, but watching Sale make batters look silly was out and out fun.

The problem was I was only having fun watching the White Sox for about 200 half innings a year and the rest of it was anywhere from pedestrian to downright awful. I am really going to miss those 200 half innings, but I am hopeful that in a couple of years I will be able to watch much more of the roughly 3000 half innings of a White Sox season without wanting to stab myself in the thigh with a fork.

Besides, Sale will give me a reason to watch some of the 60 or so Red Sox games that seem to be on ESPN every year and maybe give me a rooting interest in the post season.

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Isn’t there a 100% chance that everyone will be rushed in that organization?

soxfanincolorado
9 years ago
Reply to  Greg

My first post, but Brent I agree and disagree with you. They have been unwatchable for the past four years and 2017 will be the same…EXCEPT now there is a ray of hope. Personally, I enjoy watching Tim Anderson do well and then struggle and then start to do well more often than not. That’s development. I want to see Yoan Moncada and Anderson up the middle blow a play, meet quickly behind the bag talking with their gloves up against their mouths, only to fix the miscommunication a week later. Once the final piece is traded this winter,(AND I HOPE THEY ARE NOT DONE)I will look forward to watching this team every night, knowing they most likely won’t win. But THIS “not winning” will be more acceptable in my eyes.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
9 years ago

I’m not sure if you’re giving Kopech enough credit. He had a 14.2 k/9 and a 2.60 FIP in AA as a 20 year old… Not to mention he’s got lights out stuff. I could see him being an impact starter if he continues to develop his command and durability.

RockyDennis
9 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

He hasn’t pitched above A+ ball. I don’t really know how much that changes things though. Just pointing that out.

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  RockyDennis

High A to AA being considered the toughest jump in the minors, it quite possibly changes a lot.

Kopech is a super intriguing arm based on the velocity alone, but the fact that he hasn’t made that jump yet should be taken as a major grain of salt; particularly when looking at his walk rates.

His fastball is electric and he’s got some potentially plus secondary stuff, but he has major command issues which is something that frequently stalls prospects once they hit the high minors.

It’s going to be probably written off as sour grapes, but as a Sox fan, Kopech’s been a guy that I’ve been wanting to sell high on for months now (And considering Dombrowski’s affinity for hard throwing arms, I expected him to be off limits). I’m devastated to lose Moncada as I think he’s going to be a star even if he doesn’t sort the strikeout issues out, but Kopech? He could well become a front line starter, but if he has to check of a lot of ifs to do it, ifs that you can apply to damn near any pitching prospect.

His realistic floor is probably high leverage reliever, so I do believe that he’ll at the least wind up as major league contributor, but “high impact starter” is getting way ahead of oneself. The list of players who sit 100 at his age and didn’t blow out their elbows young is a pretty short one. That’s to say nothing about the risks associated with some of the “character concerns” he’s shown (Busted for a banned substance and then went on the DL after punching a teammate within a few months of each other).

Tom Dooley
9 years ago
Reply to  0bsessions

One of my biggest pet peeves is when homer fans reverse their positions on players as soon as they’re traded, but this is a pretty reasonable comment.

Kopech is exactly the kind of pitching prospect that’s fun to dream on, but scares you all the while.

0bsessions
9 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dooley

Yeah, I’m not a big fan of it either.

The second the whole “Kopech hits 105!” thing started coming out, my immediate thought was “Cool! Trade him now!”

I would peg him as a better than 50% chance as an elite closer down the line, but I don’t like his chances as a starter at all. Of course, I think that’s a damn fine secondary piece assuming Moncada comes even close to his projections.

Tom Dooley
9 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

*In 50 innings.

He’s about as exciting as it gets, but the excitement is more stuff than track record.

exxroxMember since 2016
9 years ago

Let’s crudely compare to the Dbacks deal:

Moncada > Swanson
Kopech > Blair
Inciarte > 2 prospects

I actually think that the Sox’ return DID exceed the Braves’ return, regardless of how you choose to order the above comparison.

Either way, I was hoping this article would dive a little more into the historical precedent it alluded to. What other #1 guys have been traded in memory? Without looking, I think Cameron Maybin was one (Dombrowski, also).

cy25
9 years ago
Reply to  exxrox

Inciarte is 5 years of a proven major league 4 win player, that is tough to beat. It would be like getting Bradley on top of Moncada and Kopech, then the deal feels pretty comparable.

alpha309
9 years ago
Reply to  exxrox

The simple fact that the Braves received a quality major league contributor in the deal makes the early stages of the deal that much better. There have been too many can’t miss prospects that have missed to favor a deal solely consisting of prospects. In 5 years we may look back and see that the prospects have turned into Jeff Bagwell, but until that happens, they are nothing more than lottery tickets tickets that you are praying come out the way you believe they will.

I am a huge fan of taking on prospects like this in a rebuild, you just have to recognize that they are what they are, and not count on the results before they happen.

OddBall Herrera
9 years ago

Interesting that you throw the Upton comp in there, because Moncada, stats-wise, has really reminded me of Buxton, another guy who gets the Upton comp. 5 tools you can dream on plus enough present prorduction that you can talk yourself into thinking they are ready for the big leagues when they really aren’t. Buxton is probably a good cautionary tale for the idea that a player can have enough tools to float in the majors while the other ones catch up

Jetsy Extrano
9 years ago

Man, I forgot how good BJ/Melvin Upton actually was.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
9 years ago

great return for the white Sox but again it shows they value star upside very highly, all the pieces are on the riskier side.

Moncada has his own risk but I’m talking mostly about the secondary pieces, they seem to be boom or bust guys rather than relatively safe bets. of course the third piece rarely is a sure thing bet but I was talking about getting a guy who has not the most upside but a very realistic solid 1+ War bench guy or middle reliever. of course I understand you want a star back but maybe balance that a little in the end with the filler guys.

you have to wait but you could see this as the Sox still not understanding or valuing depth as much as they should and simply try to create the next stars and scrubs roster. probably that is more on reinsforf who made a comment in the that regard last week (“the guys you get back are often never heard of again”)

yorkie27Member since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

If that is the case (stars and scrubs) then you have to be honest and say the whole industry is not understanding or valuing depth because most “experts” are in agreement that Sox got a fair package. Can’t just label the White Sox as incompetent if that’s how it turns out.

RonnieDobbs
9 years ago

It is entirely clear the White Sox got more for Sale than the Braves got a year ago for Shelby Miller.. although that doesn’t fit with the anti-Diamondbacks bias nearly as well.

Moncada > Swanson
Kopech > Blair

Rex Manning DayMember since 2022
9 years ago

So, how should one account for Moncada’s $63M signing bonus when evaluating this trade for Boston? It’s a sunk cost and it doesn’t count against annual budget totals, but it still seems to be a factor worth considering.

Boston spent $63M. Originally, that was for 6 years of Moncada in the Majors. Today, that $63M will end up paying for 3 years of Chris Sale. Chris Sale is a safer bet to produce *some* value for Boston, but he has less time to do it in and he’s a pitcher, so Moncada probably has a higher ceiling of value he could provide.

Let’s look only at the $63M. Sale has the next 3 years to produce WAR worth $63M. Let’s say 1 WAR is worth $8.5M. Sale needs 7.4 WAR over the next 3 years, or 2.5 WAR per year. Seems pretty safe!

Moncada has 6 years, so let’s call his $/WAR $9.5M to account for the extra 3 years of inflation. He’d need to produce 6.6 WAR over 6 years, or 1.1 WAR per year. That also seems reasonable, for a prospect.

Let’s throw in their annual salaries. Sale has $39.5M coming his way (assuming Boston picks up the options), so it’s $102.5M total with Moncada’s bonus. So that’s 12.1 WAR over 3 years, or 4 WAR per year. Still not bad!

Moncada’s salary will depend on arbitration, which, I mean, who knows. But let’s give him 2 years at the minimum, then he gets $5M in year one of arbitration and $2M more each year until he hits FA. That’s paying him something like what Harper gets in arb., so we’re assuming Moncada turns out pretty dang good. That’s $33M in salary, $96M total with the bonus. He’d need to rack up 10.1 WAR in 6 years to justify that, or 1.7 WAR per year.

Sale only needs 4 WAR per year to be worth his salary + the bonus, and he’s averaged 5.2 WAR per year since 2012. So his contract is so friendly that even if you tack on $63M to it, he’ll still probably provide a handful of surplus WAR.

Moncada, on the other hand, would need to make it to the Majors and average 2 WAR per year before free agency to justify all that money. That’s risky because he’s a prospect and any prospect can bust, but it also leaves a *lot* of room for surplus value. If Moncada is what people think he is, he could provide his contract’s 10 WAR in his first 2 years and then spend the next 4 just pumping out surplus value. That’s a big if, though.

TLDR: In swapping Sale for Moncada, Boston has made it more likely that they’ll get their money’s worth from Moncada’s signing bonus, but less likely that they’ll get significant surplus from it.

Apologies for how bonkers long this ended up being, and also for all the math goofs I inevitably made.

jdbolickMember since 2016
9 years ago

The Melvin Upton comparison is fine at the plate, but not on the defensive side.

JediHoyer
9 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Who knows in center though, speed plus arm is a great start.