Whither James Shields?
After a classic ending to football season featuring an absurdly controversial decision — it’s indeed a travesty that Falcor was passed over for Puppy Bowl MVP — the sporting nation prepares to turn its eyes to baseball. Amid the oncoming rush of “best shape of my life” stories common to the February sports pages, one high-end free agent, James Shields, remains unsigned. He’s certain to be locked up soon, but almost as certain to land a financial guarantee much less than he was seeking just a couple months ago. Who is James Shields, what is his value and whose uniform might he be donning in the coming weeks?
One can make the argument that Shields is the single best draft pick in Tampa Bay Rays’ history. He was tabbed on the 16th round of the 2000 draft out of Hart High School in Santa Clarita, Calif. He hit the ground running, reaching full-season ball in first pro season at 19, posting a 2.65 ERA and a stellar 60/10 K/BB ratio in 71 1/3 IP and averaging over 7 IP per start in 10 Low-A outings. Just when it appeared Shields was ready to move onto the top-prospect radar, he missed all of 2002 with a significant shoulder injury.
He regained his health, if not his prospect status in 2003-04, posting ERAs in the mid-4s, toiling for all but 18 innings at the High-A level. Shields then found his groove at Double-A in 2005, posting a 2.80 ERA and 104/31 K/BB in 109 1/3 IP. He opened 2006 at Triple-A Durham, and eviscerated the International League to the tune of a 64/6 K/BB and 2.64 IP in 61 1/3 IP. He was ready for prime time.
Each season I compile my own ordered list of top minor league pitching prospects based on K/BB and K/9 rates, adjusted for age, relative to one’s minor league level. It basically serves as a follow list, with adjustments to the list then made based on traditional scouting methods. Shields qualified for my list four times, as high as No. 2 in 2006, behind only the Angels’ Jered Weaver, and No. 33 in 2001. Such rankings marked him as someone destined for a long, productive major-league career.
That is exactly what has happened. Shields has never missed a start since his arrival at the major league level, and has some black ink in the record book in several durability-related categories, pacing the AL in starts twice, complete games once, innings once, batters faced once……and hits, earned runs and homers allowed once each, all in his career-worst 2010 season. He has a 114-90, 3.72, career record, and has accumulated 31.6 WAR along the way. He has been remarkably consistent, notching between 3.5 and 4.5 WAR in seven of his eight full seasons, though he has never been a truly dominant hurler.
Let’s next take a step backward, and review the building blocks of his game, by looking at Shields’ plate-appearance outcome frequency and production allowed by ball-in-play (BIP) type data. Quickly, however, let’s thin the herd of Shields’ 30 potential 2015 employers by half.
(ATL, PHL, MIN are clear non-contenders. PIT, TB and OAK definitely aren’t going to step up financially, and NYM, CIN, MIL, CWS and CLE almost certainly won’t. He won’t go to COL. WAS just signed Scherzer; BOS has a glut of starting pitchers and TEX just made their pitching move on Yovani Gallardo.)
Now, the frequency info:
| FREQ – 2014 | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Shields | % | REL | PCT |
| K | 19.2% | 100 | 55 |
| BB | 4.7% | 65 | 13 |
| POP | 7.7% | 94 | 42 |
| FLY | 28.2% | 99 | 44 |
| LD | 21.1% | 101 | 53 |
| GB | 43.0% | 101 | 58 |
Shields has always ridden strong K and BB rates to success, as he has a history of being a below average contact manager. However, his K rate percentile rank, 55 in 2014, has quickly trended down towards league average after peaking at 88 in 2012. After a few years of drifting upward, his BB rate percentile rank dropped to 13 in 2014, his lowest mark since it reached the same exact level in 2009-10.
Shields does not have a single strong BIP type tendency; none of 2014 BIP type percentile ranks were below 40 or above 60. At various points during his career, his popup and grounder percentile ranks have temporarily drifted upward, but have never stayed there. Actually, the one BIP type he has somewhat consistently yielded is the one you don’t want to — line drives. Before 2014, he had allowed a liner percentile rank of 77 or higher in three of the previous five seasons.
So Shields lacks a go-to popup or grounder-inducing tendency, and his once strong K rate has now slid back toward league average. His low BB rate is the lone shining positive on his frequency profile. Let’s next cut his potential 2015 destinations down to eight.
(CUB has made their big offseason pitching move. There doesn’t appear to be room in LAD’s rotation. I can’t wrap my head around another big SD splash. I actually think NYY will enter the season without a big-ticket move. Just don’t see a West Coast guy like Shields selecting TOR. HOU’s an intriguing option that might have interest, but I don’t quite see the match. I doubt SEA has the room for another large financial addition.)
Now let’s get a better feel for the BIP authority allowed by Shields last season by examining his production by BIP-type data:
| PROD – 2014 | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shields | AVG | OBP | SLG | REL PRD | ADJ PRD | ACT ERA | CALC ERA | TRU ERA |
| FLY | 0.288 | 0.717 | 106 | 102 | ||||
| LD | 0.608 | 0.832 | 88 | 95 | ||||
| GB | 0.244 | 0.282 | 104 | 102 | ||||
| ALL BIP | 0.318 | 0.502 | 100 | 101 | ||||
| ALL PA | 0.253 | 0.288 | 0.399 | 93 | 94 | 3.21 | 3.49 | 3.53 |
The actual production allowed on each BIP type is indicated in the AVG and SLG columns, and is converted to run values and compared to MLB average in the REL PRD column. That figure is then adjusted for context, such as home park, team defense, luck, etc., in the ADJ PRD column. For the purposes of this exercise, SH and SF are included as outs and HBP are excluded from the OBP calculation.
Shields’ actual fly ball production allowed was slightly higher than the MLB average, for a 106 REL PRD figure. Interestingly, he was not helped by the Royals’ pitcher-friendly ballpark or their vaunted outfield defense. Context actually adjusts his fly ball ADJ PRD slightly down to 102. Shields was a bit lucky on liners in 2014 (88 REL PRD), though his 95 ADJ PRD mark is still better than league average. Shields allowed slightly higher than average authority on grounders (104 REL PRD), which is marginally adjusted downward to a 102 ADJ PRD figure for context.
Put all of the BIP types together, and Shields was an almost exactly MLB average contact manager in 2014, with a 100 REL PRD and 101 ADJ PRD. Add back the Ks and BBs, and those marks are adjusted to 93 and 94, respectively. His “tru” ERA — adjusted for context — was 3.53, quite a bit higher than his actual 3.21 ERA, and much more closely aligned with his 3.59 FIP.
This wasn’t a one-year phenomenon, either, as his 2013 “tru” ERA of 3.78 closely aligns with his 3.72 FIP, and is much higher than his 3.15 actual ERA. In both seasons, Shields’ actual ERA was held at an artificially low level because of some combination of event sequencing, a pitcher-friendly park and a strong defense behind him. Shields, at 33, is a slightly better than a league-average pitcher — a 94 ADJ PRD in 2014, 98 in 2013 — who logs a lot of innings. That’s valuable, but not sexy. His floor appears to be quite high, but his ceiling is increasingly limited. Let’s further narrow his list of potential homes to the final four.
(Can’t see MIA pulling the financial trigger. Don’t think Shields wants to pitch in AZ. Unless the price really comes down, don’t see DET getting materially involved. A return to KC seems a deep fallback option at best. That leaves STL, SF, BAL and LAA.)
James Shields has played his entire career in pitchers’ parks, for clubs that valued defense quite highly. Despite that fact, Shields has a career unadjusted contact score — basically equal to REL PRD above — of 103.0. This is quite high for an ERA-qualifying starting pitcher. Though the league average by definition is 100, the league average of ERA qualifiers is usually around 97. And remember, his 103.0 mark is not adjusted for context, which would seem to inflate that number even higher.
Shields has relied heavily on strong K and BB rates for success, and his K rate is under increasing stress. He lacks even an inkling of a popup or grounder tendency that creates margin for error with regard to contact management. Repertoire-wise, he actually threw his fastball harder than ever (92.5 MPH average velocity) in 2014, but its pitch values have been a steady decline the last few years. His changeup, his long-time out pitch, was hit quite hard in 2014. On the positive side, his control is at or near an all-time peak, and his cutter has become a viable and more frequently-used weapon in recent seasons.
Shields has also thrown the 2nd-most pitches of any MLB hurler over the last eight seasons, behind only Justin Verlander, who turned into a pumpkin — at least temporarily — last season. Before Verlander, the rolling eight-year pitch leader was Dan Haren, who promptly saw his performance decline. Before Haren, it was CC Sabathia. Before Sabathia, it was Barry Zito. Noticing a trend?
The restraint shown by clubs with regard to making a major investment in James Shields is wise, in my opinion. He is likely to eat innings in the short-to-intermediate term, but is evolving into a pitch-to-relatively-hard-contact guy lacking a material upside. Teams with big parks and solid defenses only should consider taking the plunge.
BAL has recently become a stronger candidate, as only recently has their general manager situation become settled. The guess here is they’ll make a strong run and then fall short. LAA has made this sort of bold free agent move before. (See Pujols, Albert and Hamilton, Josh.) This one isn’t going to cost nearly as much, but the presence of those two relative under-producers on the books plus the pending early return of Garrett Richards might ultimately take them out of the mix. STL tends to lay in the weeds, and ultimately pounce on players such as Shields. While in one way they seem a perfect fit, they might ultimately have to choose between going for Shields and attempting to lock up Jason Heyward long-term. I’d invest in Heyward.
That leaves SF. The reigning champions made a push to retain Pablo Sandoval but fell short. Their pitching staff is aging and could use the help. They’re a West Coast club, with a pitchers’ park, that focuses on defense. Shields, by all accounts, would be happy playing there, and the club appears to have the financial wherewithal to make it happen. His decline would be cushioned by his surroundings, and hey, this club has won three of the past five World Series despite investing heavily in Zito and Tim Lincecum — two deals that haven’t worked out so well. The call here is Shields to the Giants, for something in the vicinity of four years and $75 million.
There’s always Japan
And, Paris.
We’ll always have Paris.
Just don’t see a West Coast guy like Shields selecting Paris.
Not Paris, but maybe Perris, it’s not that far from the beach.
*don “SAVE FERRIS” t-shirts in support*
Oh, wait. You said PARIS.
He could live in Paris Texas.
Paris Ontario is nice
Paris Tennessee is not.
Deelron, Perris is closer to Tulsa than Rancho Santa Fe, no matter what the atlas says.
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Although I would never be surprised at the Giants overpaying for a declining starter, I don’t think it will happen for Shields. The Giants could easily move Petit into their rotation alongside Bumgarner, Cain, Peavy, Hudson and Lincecum. It seems like it would be a lot of money for a very minor upgrade.
The Yankees and Tigers seem like better bets to me. Both teams have cash and need pitching. The Tigers invested so heavily in winning a world series before their owner dies, and having lost Scherzer (along with Verlander’s effectiveness) they seem like a solid bet to bring in Shields in the hope of a last gasp at a title.
I would say Shields is more than a “very minor upgrade” over Lincecum and Petit, unless you believe a) Petit turned the corner and his FIP over the last ~160 innings at the major league level (2013 and 2014) is in line with his ability, and b) he will suddenly give up runs in line with his FIP, instead of underperforming it.
It’s nice to have him as depth, but I wouldn’t count on him to put together a full season of strong (or decent, even) pitching. He gets by on control and deception, and I’d be worried that major league hitters will stop being deceived so much.
I believe that the Gianta believe in Petit. I believe thay will steer clear of Shields. I could be wrong, but that would be a first.
Egad, why are you wasting your time here when you could be betting on NBA games and making enough money to buy Lorraine McFly?
That said, I agree, I can’t see the Giants making this move. I think they were considering it, which is why they didn’t resign Vogelsong for so long. That signing was their conscious decision to walk away from Shields. Don’t see them changing that unless he got so cheap that another team would snap him up.
I may be wrong…. but I doubt it.
Stay away from Lorraine, Biff. She is my density.
“If I am wrong, and I am never wrong…”
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He’s more than a “very minor upgrade” over Lincecum. Get serious.
Yes, I agree with you. Tony’s dismissal of these teams was rather cavalier (as was his dismissal of most of the teams).
The Yankees especially have the need and the money, and New York has its attractions for a ballplayer.
What’s the basis for “doesn’t want to pitch in AZ”?
No one wants to pitch in AZ?
well, they pushed hard for him already and he didn’t bite.
The Diamondbacks suck, and appear destined to do so for the duration of any contract Shields might sign.
Flat dry air is crap for pitchers, and the organization is in weird place right now.
If this is true, it’s clearly because he’s not a REAL baseball player who values REAL baseball the way our REAL team does!
Sabean is too smart to pay for what Shields has already done. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
We concur.
“STL tends to lay in the weeds, and ultimately pounce on players such as Shields.
I don’t know where this perception comes from. The Cardinals generally avoid giving large contracts to players who haven’t spent any time on the team. Peralta is the only exception that I can think of (4 yr $53M), but that was with no good SS in the organization. The pitching depth of the Cardinals seems to make Shields a suboptimal fit. (Also, I agree that Heyward would be a better place to spend the money as well.)
I agree. I can’t think of a recent signing that fits Blengino’s description. Peralta signed with the Cardinals just a couple of weeks after becoming a free agent. The Cardinals clearly made an aggressive move to sign Peralta, so that is hardly a lie-in-the-weeds and pounce approach. Perhaps Carlos Beltran’s signing fits that scenario, but even he signed before Christmas. Lance Berkman signed with them in early December. And again, we aren’t talking about 9-figure contracts.
I think when the Cardinals make a move on the free agent market, they make their best offer right out of the gate and try to get the player to sign by the Winter Meetings, if not sooner. The Cardinals don’t have the resources like the Yankees where they can find an additional 20 or 30 million dollars under the sofa seat cushions to outbid all competitors at the last minute.
Yankees, Astros, Tigers, Cards, M’s, Rangers & Jays seem like the only real possibilities. You might throw the Marlins in there since they’ve been mentioned to have interest. So, assuming the price has to be coming down, any of these could be real possibilities. I mean, does anyone think he’ll get more than 4/70M now? Maybe he doesn’t even get that much. Any of these teams could probably do a deal like that.
As far as the draft compensation, the Rangers and Astros have protected picks. The Yankees, Jays and Tigers gained picks which softens the blow of losing a pick. The Marlins, M’s and Cards would be affected the most by losing the pick (in that order).
I don’t see it as an Orioles move… not right after getting burned by the Ubaldo Jimenez deal. And not with the young pitching depth they have.
The Yankees, Tigers, Cards, M’s and Jays are all somewhat pot-committed. The other 3 less so. I’d have to say the easiest case to make is the Yankees stepping up.
Did I forget the Halos??
Red Sox should be interested as well, their rotation is not impressive
I did read that maybe the Rockies were the “mystery team” that offered 5/110, but the thought was that he didn’t want to pitch here. With his contact profile they should definitely steer clear, particularly at that price.
I do agree with the thought of the Giants being the best likely fit at this point.
Bumgarner
Peavy
Hudson
Cain
Vogelsong
Petit
Lince
You could have made a case had they not re-signed Vogel. If Cain is coming back then there just isn’t the need.
And then, if you eliminate everyone who can’t be expected to crack 150 innings, you get:
Madison Bumgarner.
No rotation in which Peavy is the second most reliable starter should be considered anywhere near set.
With the exception of the freak-injury-shortened 2013, Hudson hasn’t tossed under 179 IP since his Tommy John surgery: 228, 215, 179, 131, 189 in 2010-2014.
Jake Peavy has averaged 189 IP from 2012-2014 even with massive injury problems in 2013.
Tim Lincecum has thrown 146.1+ IP every season of his career, including 2007 and 2014. 2008-2013 were all 185+ IP.
Ryan Vogelsong has thrown 179-190 IP three of the last four years.
2014 ended a string of eight consecutive seasons of a minimum of 184 IP for Matt Cain.
So, what are you talking about, exactly?
I’m talking about the fact that:
Hudson is 39 years old,
Peavy gets injured every other year (which is actually understating things; 2012 and 2014 are massive outliers),
Lincecum hasn’t cracked 1 RA9-WAR since 2011,
Cain is coming off a serious injury after also being ineffective and injured in 2013.
Vogelsong is 37 and hasn’t cracked 1 WAR since 2012.
So you have three people who shouldn’t be expected to crack that threshold because of age or injury history, and two who should only be expected to crack 150 innings if something goes horribly wrong.
And you don’t think they need rotation help?
Hahahaha
They don’t bc they put this staff together. It didn’t happen by accident.
You have a very low opinion of Sabean, in that case.
I don’t even know what this means other than an attempt to drag me into some sort of debate perhaps…. oh so Lester.
and me!
Landis, I’m saying that if you don’t think Brian Sabean recognizes that his team needs rotation help, you don’t think much of Sabean.
I don’t know how you didn’t manage to get that from context clues, it was pretty clear, other than an attempt to get some internet points perhaps…
Maybe bringing up the fact that I thought that Brian McCann (2.3 2014 WAR, 11.4 2014 framing runs) was a better signing and value than Jarrod Saltalamacchia (1.3 2014 WAR, -24.4 framing runs) in late 2013? That’s usually the go-to.
2014 salaries
Cain: $20m
Lincecum: $18m
Hudson: $12m
Peavy: $7m
Madbum: $6.75m
Vogeslong: $4m
That’s $67.75m tied up between six SPs. Regardless of what you deem to be the efficacy of these pitchers, I’m sure Sabean is expecting the majority of them to crack 150 innings, and he sure as snot isn’t throwing $17-18m per year at yet another starter.
So you think that contracts signed years ago, before they experienced their current problems, are evidence that Sabean expects Lincecum and Cain to put up more than 150 IP? Or that Vogelsong getting paid $4m means that he’s viewed as anything other than a swingman?
In that case, do you think he’d like to trade for Alex Rodriguez? They do have a 3B vacancy, and if he’s getting paid $27m this year, he must be able to play 140+ games!
1. 4 of those 6 contracts were signed within the last 15 months. Not years ago.
2. Sabean wouldn’t be giving out these contracts if he didn’t think these guys could be big league SPs.
3. What does ARod have to do with anything? This is an asinine comp even by your standards.
But I thought that a player having a big contract means that he should be expected to contribute at the big league level?
And by that I mean you explicitly used a player’s salary as evidence of his expected contribution at the big league level, which is so absurdly silly on so many level’s that it would be hard to dissect them all.
If you can’t understand Sabean’s hesitancy to ink another $18m/yr SP when he already has these contracts on the books then I can’t help you.
I really hope the Giants don’t sign him, the ghost of Barry Zito is still giving me nightmares.
“I can’t wrap my head around another big SD splash.”
I don’t think this is a very strong reason to count out San Diego. Preller has shown that he’s not afraid of making big moves to try to improve his club. Shields could be an attractive option especially if the price of the long-rumored Cole Hamels trade remains too high.
I agree. Unless all the talks regarding Hamels have included the Phillies kicking in a lot of money then the Padres have been willing to have a sizable payroll increase. Also, Padres ownership has been talking about increasing payroll and since the money from the Dodgers to offset some of Kemp’s salary is front loaded at this point the payroll is about the same as last year. The extra Kemp money is basically covering the Upton contract for the year.
Why are the Brewers considered out? Looking at their roster, adding Shields should make them a legitimate contender for 2015. I’m a Tigers fan and don’t know much about Milwaukee’s tendencies.
They said they’re out but that should prob be taken with a grain of salt.
As pointed out by another comment, he took them out of the running but qualified it a bit.
To contribute another point, has a large payroll by its own standards already, Milwaukee has the smallest media market of any MLB team, and the Brewers have one of the smallest cable TV deals out there. They don’t have a reason to raise payroll (owners never go out of pocket).
I think Milwaukee being out has less to do with payroll and more to do with the park. As mentioned in the article teams with hitter friendly parks should beware because of his declining Ks and being susceptible to the long ball. Miller Park is the fifth most homer friendly park in baseball.
As a TB fan, I can tell you this: when he pitched there, Shields had a devastating changeup. Now he does not. And teams know this. He’s not the pitcher he was.
There were articles on this very website this season that talked about how it came back towards the end of the year.
Is CUB short for “Cuba”?
If so, they’re out… unless Shields is willing to accept payment in rum and cigars. Might be a shrewd move, actually…
Yeah, not sure what is up with the weird TLAs here, but if we’re voting on a house style I’m against this one. Reads like it’s trying to seem technical by wrapping its OBV PTS in overcapped jargon.
Interesting point here in that Shields could accept payment of rum & cigars for 1 year and hope that Cuban bubble hasn’t burst – thereby signing a much more lucrative contract in 2016 as we all discuss how to translate his Cuban stats back into the MLB.
Given that Shields lives in San Diego and has made comments in the past that he wants to play on a team that has Spring Training in AZ I think he’ll only sign with one of those teams. I think since his market has fallen I think 4/70 is the max contract he would be looking at. At that price almost every team could afford that upgrade to their rotation. I think a park that suppresses home runs does make the most sense for a team to get the most of their investment. To me four teams make sense and I could see any of them justifying giving Shields a 4/70 contract. Those teams are the Royals, Giants, Mariners or Padres.
I remember being mocked for suggesting during the playoffs that he’d get Matt Garza money, but here we are.
I totally remember that. Once again, the Basebull – mocked and derided – has been vindicated. How many times must we learn the lesson: if you dare not ride the Basebull, you will be stomped by the Basebull.
You mess with the Basebull, you get the around-the-horns.
Well gosh, you are right. I’m wrong, and I’m so embarrassed. I deserve to be reprimanded. Thank you so much. I will back off now and stop posting.
The Giants already have moved a veteran starter to the bullpen (or, at least to fight fora rotation spot) in Vogelsong. If they didn’t sign him again, I would expect them to consider Shields. I think the Giants are more than fine using their aging rotation for 2015, as they’ll be shed of many contracts next offseason and can really jump on the pitchers in FA. Lincecum, Hudson, Vogelsong, Scutaro, Pagan, Aoki, and all the arbitration guys will have their contracts end after 2015. That opens the books for mega spending and the rotation (as well as other positions) for signings. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants are content with their older rotation only to spend big next offseason on a David Price-like pitcher.
This is the other thing prob keeping some teams from making a play for Shields – the group of #1 SPers set to hit the market next winter.
Plus, they have to prepare for the even numbered year.
This has the feel of the Kyle Lohse free agency a couple years back. Every GM knew the guy was going to be overvalued, so he sat and sat until his asking price dropped.
If I’m Shields and I like my chances for the next three or four years, I’ll go where I want and get what I want on one year contracts. Apparently, I don’t like my chances either.
I think the most likely landing places are NYY and BOS. Their pitching rotations have several question marks and an innings-eater like Shields would stabilize them. And they have money to burn. TOR is also a possibility.
Baltimore is an unlikely spot. They have 6 pitchers for 5 rotation spots (although I know the analyst community thinks they are below average) and they don’t have money to burn, or at least they act like they don’t.
I could see Boston signing Shields if their quest for trading for Hamels fails.
Yes, certainly acquiring Hamels would change the equation considerably. Perhaps that is what is holding up the Shields market.
Could Oakland be a surprise contender for his services on a shorter term deal, like 1/23 or 2/50? They are about a Shields away from quietly being the best team in the AL.
um, A’s fan?
No way in holy hell the A’s are giving James Shields 1/23 or 2/50.
Especially since 2/50 is a higher AAV.
Yeah, maybe 1/13 or 2/25.
Agreed, I could see them being interested at that level, although Shields would not be. He’ll get at least 3, likely 4, years.
What does REL stand for/mean? And what does BIP stand for and the stuff in the table like ADJ PRD, REL PRED, and the 3 ERA categories? Thanks
ADJ PRD- A Damn J PReller-eD
verb- to pull the equivalent of a Bootleggers Turn with a formerly cheap, boring franchise.
REL PRED- REaLly PREllereD
adj- the diametric opposite of REL RAJD (REalLy Rueban Amaro JunioreD)
I think DET has to be a favorite but I wouldn’t rule out SD. If you’re talking about giving up prospects and paying Hamels 5/110 (assuming you have to exercise his option to get him) or paying Shields 5/100, I can see why you still want Hamels. But if you are talking about that Hamels package or paying Shields 2/28 or 3/40, I think the scales start to move in his favor.
I don’t see the Giants getting involved after signing Vogey. I tend to agree with the author that the Yankees seem committed to doing nothing; Shields does seem like a particularly bad fit for their park.
wow, not much desire for shields here. I’m a giants fan, and I think 4/75 for shields sounds very reasonable! Will he really come that cheap? Do it sabean!
As a Cards’ fan, I second your good wishes. Do it Sabean!
The real thing hurting Shields besides his poor playoff run is the glut of free agent starting pitching hitting the market next year. There will be several very good 2’s and 3’s on the market.
Perhaps a 1 yr deal with KC again in an attempt to re-establish value? Maybe if KC hadn’t blown money on Volquez…
I think the assessment that “BOS has a glut of pitchers” is a little simplistic. They have several pitchers of the “haven’t quite lived up to the potential they showed in 20XX” variety. Maybe Porcello has turned the corner, but I would say that they could use Shields as much as anyone.
It’s hard to see Buchholz, Masterson, and Kelly all staying healthy, leaving Miley and Workman to round out the rotation.
Put it another way, the Red Sox best pitcher was the 4th or 5th best guy on the Tigers roster last September.
yeah, if a glut of pitchers means one #2 and four #4/5 starters, then they have a glut.
They have a #2?
Yes. Porcello.
You’re underselling Porcello and Miley. Porcello’s peripherals show him to be a # 2, Miley’s to be a # 3. I’m pessimistic enough about Kelly/Buchholz/Masterson to not expect anything more than #4 stuff from any of them (though the latter two have obviously been much better in the past).
But yeah, I agree they would certainly have a place for Shields, especially with Buchholz/Masterson’s health records.
Miley is exactly average. It’s actually impressive how average he is. If you look up “#4 starter” in the dictionary, Wade Miley should be the image next to the definition.
Porcello’s got the potential to be a #2 at some point, but he hasn’t even properly established himself as a #3 yet. If you expect him to put up 3-ish WAR, he’s a #3, and I’m not quite there yet.
Yeah, the Sox have a guy who will hopefully continue to establish himself as a solid No. 3 (Porcello), a guy who has established himself as a solid No. 4 (Miley), a 4/5/Longman (Kelly), a Clay Buccholz and a Justin Masterson (Jekyll/Hyde is the only real way to classify those two).
They really could use a Jamie Shields, especially considering that they’ve already signed two QO players, so they’ll only lose their 4th.
Seems to me Shields’s value now is as a good #2-3 innings-eater rather than as an ace you can count on for multiple strong starts in the postseason. On that basis, a team like SF with a proven postseason stud but instability lower down the rotation makes more sense than one like Boston with good depth but no true #1.
How do you calculate the calculated and tru ERA?
Sounds like the right call, for both pitcher and team.