Who Is Pitching for the Padres?
The Padres are going to be bad next year.
There, I said it. I know, it’s a controversial stance, and I’ll likely be roasted on a spit in the comments for so boldly stating it at the top of the article like that. But I’m a man of principle, damn it. I stick to my guns. The Padres are going to be bad and I’m not afraid to say it.
Of course, that’s not a controversial take, at all. In fact, it hasn’t been a hot take to say that the Padres are going to be bad since, oh, 2011. San Diego won 90 games in 2010 and haven’t topped 77 wins since then. Some of us got a little excited before the 2015 season because A.J. Preller showed up and decided to spruce up the joint with some interesting warm bodies, but then we quickly realized, no, wait, Matt Kemp can’t play defense, Wil Myers can’t play center field, and one can’t rely on James Shields to lead a rotation anymore. Oops.
So here we are, two years later. The Padres are once again rebuilding after their first effort crashed and burned. Myers and Brandon Maurer are the only remaining members of that group of players that was brought in. The Padres are going to be bad, but at least they won’t be entirely uninteresting. Austin Hedges, Manny Margot, Hunter Renfroe and a few others will be getting the keys to the car this time. The kids are here, and they’re going to play. These could be good players at some point. The Padre lineup could be worth keeping an eye on.
Each member of the Padre pitching staff has the air of an extra in Major League, each with the body of a real player, but a face one can’t immediately place. Quick, without looking, how many of the Padres’ starting pitchers can you name off the top of your head? One? Two?
Here’s what the club’s official depth chart looks like. Here’s what ZiPS thinks of that group.
That’s not great, Bob. But really, who are these guys? As in literally, who are they? I’m glad you asked.
The man with the honor of appearing first on that chart is one Christian Friedrich, about whom you’ve likely heard either if you’re a Rockies fan or were around for his roughly 130 innings of work in a Padre uniform this year. Friedrich has a 5.37 ERA in 296.2 big-league innings since he first came up in 2012. His 4.16 FIP this year was promising, but he has always been one to underperform his FIP. His 5.23 DRA tells us to not rush to by stock in Friedrich Inc. Friedrich would be a fine fourth or fifth starter on a team in transition like San Diego. Indeed, moving from Coors Field to Petco Park is a blessing for him. As a possible Opening Day starter, Friedrich is woefully miscast. This is through no fault of his own. He surely tries his best, and the man is a pitcher in the big leagues. He’s pretty much already won the game of life.
The second starter, Luis Perdomo, is a Rule 5 success story from last year and may be the most interesting of the bunch. He managed to post a 4.02 DRA in 146.2 innings. That’s really good for someone who’d never pitched above A-ball last year! Steamer likes him to put up 1.9 WAR next year, while ZiPS is… less enthused. That’s all a way of saying we don’t exactly know what Perdomo is going to do next year, but he’ll at least be a source of interest. Perdomo should not be confused with another pitcher named Luis Perdomo, who actually threw 61 innings for the Padres between 2009 and 2010.
Former notable prospect Jarred Cosart is the player here of whom you’ve probably heard. He appeared on a couple of Baseball America’s top-100 lists as a younger player. Baseball Prospectus considered him to be one of the 50-best prospects in the game in 2012. He’s now 26 years old and a member of his fourth organization, and hasn’t topped 100 innings since 2014. What’s gone wrong? Besides being bitten by the injury bug, Cosart walks too many batters and strikes out too few. That’s not a good problem to have as a pitcher, but Cosart has pedigree in his corner if nothing else. A healthy season at Petco Park could go a long way in helping him rebound a bit. Cosart went to high school in League City, Texas, and was therefore probably always destined to play in the big leagues.
Paul Clemens is not Roger Clemens. He is 28 years old, not 54. He’s not one of the 10-best pitchers of all time; then again there are only 10 guys who can claim that, so that’s not a slight on him. Like Cosart, he’s bounced around a bunch. Clemens has fewer than 200 big-league innings to his name, including 61 innings with the Padres this past year during which he put together a 3.67 ERA. His FIP and xFIP give us some concern, and he figures to be about replacement level in 2017. What he could do, however, is get Roger to touch a magic baseball and steal his talent, Space Jam-style. I mean, what’s the worst that could happen?
For our fifth starter, Cesar Vargas, I’ll do my best to not make any Shakespeare references, or any salad jokes. Vargas was a Yankees farmhand until signing with San Diego as a minor-league free agent last winter. He made his debut, threw 34 innings, and had a 1.65 WHIP. Since I come here neither to praise Cesar nor bury him, I say that his position as the fifth starter may be naught but window dressing, and that the acquisition of another starter would likely force him into the bullpen to serve as a swingman.
I should probably also mention Zach Lee, who was just claimed on waivers. Lee is another former prospect of note. He came up through the Dodgers system and always just seemed on the precipice of getting a shot. He got just that in 2015, a 4.2-inning cameo about which the less is said, the better. Lee was last seen posting an ERA over 7 with the Mariners’ Triple-A affiliate in Tacoma. He might break camp with the big-league team because he doesn’t have any options remaining. He might get passed through waivers. He might steal some of Roger’s magical essence from Paul. There’s a lot of possibilities.
Again, this isn’t to knock these pitchers. These guys are better at something than you or I will ever be at anything, and they’re good at something cool. They’re paid to play a game, for goodness’ sake. They’ve got it good.
Unfortunately, they currently make up the most underqualified rotation in the league by a country mile. And even if Renfroe, Margot, Myers, Hedges and Travis Jankowski are actually all pretty decent in 2017, it’s not going to mean anything if the pitchers are giving up four or more runs every game. It’s not going to mean anything if the starters can’t provide length because they keep getting knocked out early. Perdomo could be decent, but there’s not much hope beyond him. There’s no hotshot pitching prospect waiting in the wings at Triple-A. There’s no Ginny Baker. This is it. These are the guys.
This will be a long year for the Padres. The rotation has a few months yet to be improved, but right now, it looks as if the group will struggle to top 5 WAR. The team will probably be good again one day. It’ll at least be better than this.
For now, though, these guys are going to get their shot. And that’s what every kid dreams of, at least for a second, when they pick up a baseball for the first time.
Nick is a columnist at FanGraphs, and has written previously for Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Box Score. Yes, he hates your favorite team, just like Joe Buck. You can follow him on Twitter at @StelliniTweets, and can contact him at stellinin1 at gmail.
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I’m not a Padres fan nor do I care about his somewhat lackadaisical trade ethics, but can anyone explain to me why A.J. Preller has a job after squandering much of the organization’s money and talent with his inexplicable dealings? He has proven beyond doubt that he has no concept of baseball talent.
The Padres have more upside now than before he got there. His first year was a complete disaster, and the guy is unethical, but after that crash and burn he has pushed ALL the right buttons.
I disagree, he has also failed to sell his short term assets for value in many cases waiting too long. Nothing for Ross alone is a major gaffe.
Since his crazy spending spree he has actually proven to be a very good GM (although you could argue his ethics or lack thereof should count against him). The Pomeranz trade gets all the attention because of the medicals, but even a healthy Pomeranz isn’t worth Espinoza. He also got Pomeranz in the first place for Yonder Alonso and Mark Rzepczynski. On top of that Preller got Margot, Guerra, and Allen for Kimbrel, a wildcard prospect and salary relief by trading Melvin Upton, signed Schimpf for nothing, got a solid haul for both Rodney and Cashner, and signed a boatload of the top amateur international talent. It seems like you haven’t really been paying attention to what Preller has actually been doing.
sounds A LOT like the braves over the next couple of years
Huh? The Braves are LOADED with young pitching talent. Most of the arms are still a few years away but their farm system is top tier.
Loaded with young starting pitching depth more than top-tier talent. More quantity than quality. As a whole their farm system is top-tier. Just not excited about the pitching prospects. Best case scenario, Newcomb learns to throw strikes. Then what? (Far more encouraging than the Padres though)
Kolby Allard, Max Fried, Touki Toussaint, Lucas Sims…
I will concede to Allard, looks promising as a 19 year old. Fried, Toussaint and Sims, meh. IMO, that group points to the depth I mentioned and not top-tier talent. They look more like 4 & 5’s. I don’t think they are horrible by any means. Sims did not look good at all in AAA though. His K/9 was nice at 10.44. His BB/9 were the opposite of nice, downright evil at 6.66. You could say he was very giving though, his HR/9 was 2.16. Go check his game log out. Kinda scary.
Allard is the only top tier guy on that list. the rest can’t throw strikes.
Surely they could pull off a trade with a team like the Yankees that has a deep farm system causing them to lost prospects to Rule 5 etc. and get some older pitching prospects with a projection of ~1 WAR without too much trouble, right? Just swap out a couple lower level guys for future Rule 5 fodder
Yankees lost 8 players in the Rule 5 (some of that the MiLB Rule 5) this year. Now the Padres will have to wait until next year to try out that trick.
#BelieveInTheProcess
Would Roger Clemens at 54 be better than Paul at 28?
Yes
“These guys are better at something than you or I will ever be at anything, and they’re good at something cool. They’re paid to play a game, for goodness’ sake.”
Eh. I don’t really think this one is true. I know of at least two people that have told me that they read this site that are pretty unbelievable, that have changed the course of American history because they are so amazing at a thing. While it’s exceptionally difficult to be a pro pitcher, there are lots of other things that take more work, over a longer period of time, and at a higher level of commitment. I’ll admit that even the people I’m thinking about might not be the equal of a generational talent like Kershaw, but they certainly are as good at what they do as Luis Perdomo is at what he does.
I’m guessing 99% of people who read this aren’t in the top 1% of of their profession. Don’t take things too seriously.
“Who Is Pitching for the Padres?”
The Padres farm director. He pitched the idea of drafting first since the Padres weren’t going anywhere next year. The Phillies haven’t been going anywhere since 2011 but they’ve only picked first once and are paying $27 million to Jeremy Hellickson and Howie Kendrick to make sure they don’ pick first again.
When the market thins out, they might be able to pick up a few guys through FA. Afterall, it is still a pitcher’s ballpark, whether they suck or not. Could be a great chance for a starter to potentially rebuild value. Heck, look what they got for Drew P.
So, what would be better… spending the ~$5 million on the 18 year old Cuban IFA pitcher that Eric Longenhagen says has a 35 FV, or spending the money on re-signing Edwin Jackson?
I’d take Jackson over a prospect with a 35 FV that cost me $5 mil.
Interesting question, but I believe part of the 35 FV is a result of this kid being so far away from the majors, and therefore difficult to project. Edwin Jackson would deliver replacement level (or below that), which can be accomplished much cheaper than 5 million. Even though the IFA pitcher is a crapshoot, its still a better investment than a warm body for the major league rotation. Also, Preller is basically stacking the lower levels of the system and seeing how many of the prospects pan out. It never hurts to add another talented arm, and this is exactly where the Padres should be investing given the major league outlook for the next couple of years.
1. I don’t see how the situation is an either or situation
2. I don’t see how Edwin Jackson is an upgrade over any six of those pitchers
Is the Padres pitching staff bad enough to threaten the record the Reds pitchers set last season?
I just assumed the answer was Christian bethancourt. Really the padres rebuild is weird, they have top flight 16-18 year old talent, a little minor league talent, and a few young players on the m.l roster. It’s a weird mix and kind of gives me the idea that no one on the major league roster will be around for the next competitive team.
They have more than a few young players on the major league roster. The entire 40 man roster is under 30. They expect a competitive team by 2019-2020,and Myers, Hedges, Renfroe, and Margot will be on it. They have their position player core now, for the most part, it’s just starting pitching that’s a couple years away.
What they expect and reality is different. You named 4 players, one of whom only has 3 years of control left, and there is just no way that crop of 16-18 year olds is ready within that time frame. They are most likely 5 years away due to not having any assets that can bring back premium talent.
sounds like a nice weekend trip to watch a road team in that beautiful ballpark and probably take 2/3. surfs up.
“These guys are better at something than you or I will ever be at anything…”
Hey, speak for yourself! I’m definitely one of the few hundred best crossword puzzlers in the world.
“…and they’re good at something cool.”
OK, you got me there.
“The Padres are going to be bad next year.” What’s so controversial about that? Do you realize how many online analysts are ahead of you in line? The consensus seems to be 100 losses, give or take a few.
Outfield full of rookies, but the defense should be good; some speed on the team, and maybe enough power; the back of the rotation looks decent, with Hand and Buchter setting up Maurer. But that rotation!
Maybe it’s just as well, with Preller having had the #8, #24, and #25 picks in ’16, the #3 due in ’17, and if the team loses 100, possibly the #1 pick in ’18. Is tanking in ’17 part of the plan? It looks like it.