Yoshinobu Yamamoto One-Ups Blake Snell, Dodgers Coast To 2-0 NLCS Lead

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It could not have started worse. Yoshinobu Yamamoto’s first pitch of NLCS Game 2 was a 97-mph four-seam fastball to Jackson Chourio, the Brewers’ powerful leadoff hitter. Chourio promptly hammered it 389 feet into the Dodgers’ bullpen. It landed like a signal to the relievers milling out on the berm: Be alert, you might be needed sooner than you thought.

They would not be necessary. It’s hard to imagine a better pitching performance than that of Yamamoto’s teammate, Blake Snell, who delivered 10 strikeouts over eight innings the previous night. But Yamamoto managed to one-up him.

Over 111 magnificent pitches, Yamamoto rendered the Brewers’ bats rudderless, holding them to that single run over a three-hit complete game. It was the first in the playoffs in eight years, and it certainly offered one possible solution to the Dodgers’ bullpen woes: What if you just didn’t need those guys?

The Dodgers’ offense, meanwhile, chased Freddy Peralta after 5 2/3 innings and three runs allowed, giving Yamamoto all the cushion he’d need. They ultimately came away with a 5-1 win, taking both games in Milwaukee and securing a 2-0 series lead.

As evidenced by Chourio’s tank, the Brewers came out aggressive, swinging early and often. But Yamamoto, to his credit, adjusted beautifully, throwing a first-pitch four-seamer just two times the rest of the game.

The reduced fastball usage was paramount. His splitter and curveball both featured more prominently than the four-seamer, which came in at just 23% usage. In addition to seven strikeouts — three of them looking — the Brewers mustered just a .234 xBA, pounding ball after ball into the ground, unable to sit on any given speed or movement profile. Yamamoto fired 73% strikes, living in the zone with all six of his pitches.

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Yamamoto retired the final 14 hitters he faced, and by the time he gained a two-run advantage, the game started to feel like a foregone conclusion, making a smallish lead look insurmountable as only a premium ace can.

That lead was downstream of the most pivotal strategic moment of the game: Brewers manager Pat Murphy’s decision to leave Peralta in for the sixth inning. Headed into the sixth, the game resembled something like a pitcher’s duel, with the Brewers trailing by just a single run. After Chourio’s home run, the Dodgers countered with two runs in the top of the second, a Teoscar Hernández solo homer and an Andy Pages RBI double down the right field line.

Peralta never looked particularly sharp. After two innings, he’d already thrown 45 pitches, laboring through foul balls and deep counts. Still, partially due to his infernal stuff, partially thanks to a couple nifty plays by his defense, he’d largely kept runs off the board. In the fifth, he escaped a jam, inducing a groundball double play off the bat of Mookie Betts to end the inning. If he’d gotten just the one out, he’d in all likelihood have been pulled from the game. Aaron Ashby warmed in the bullpen, ready to take on the lefty Freddie Freeman. After the double play ended the inning, it still figured that the lefty Ashby would be brought in for the start of the sixth to handle Freeman and, up third in the inning, Max Muncy.

The broadcast relayed that, following the conclusion of the fifth, Peralta and Murphy had a little chat in the dugout. Peralta told Murphy he had one more inning in him. Another frame would have been a boon in more ways than one: The Brewers used six pitchers in their Game 1 loss, including all five of their preferred leverage arms. A bit of length was much desired, and Murphy rolled the dice, leaving Peralta in to take on Freeman, Will Smith, and Muncy.

It got off to an ideal start; Freeman popped up on the first pitch he saw, and Smith tapped a groundball to third base. Two quick outs, and just one hitter to retire. Then it started to come apart. Peralta fell behind Muncy 3-0. To get back in the count, he threw a fastball belt high on the outside edge of the zone. Muncy took the pitch for a called strike.

The next pitch was also a fastball; the location was nearly identical to the previous pitch. Muncy fouled it off, bringing the count full. After a fought-off slider, Peralta delivered yet another belt high outer-edge fastball, the third in four pitches. Fool me once, shame on you… fool me twice, shame on you again, I guess… but fool me thrice, well, that’s a tank. Muncy pounded that heater 110 mph on a line; it snuck just over the outstretched glove of Sal Frelick, clearing the center field wall and giving Los Angeles a 3-1 lead. Muncy’s homer represented the game’s biggest swing in win expectancy, bringing the Dodgers’ chances of winning up to 75.5%.

The Brewers did not reach base again after Muncy’s homer. Meanwhile, the Dodgers’ offense bled the Milwaukee bullpen dry, tacking on two more runs to pad the gap and allow Dodgers manager Dave Roberts the confidence to ride Yamamoto all the way to the finish line.

The first of those runs came in the seventh, which led off with a double off the bat of — who else — Enrique Hernández. The utilityman continues to amaze as a presence in October. He went 2-for-3 with a walk in this game, bringing his 2025 postseason OPS to .972. After Pages pushed him over to third with a bunt, Shohei Ohtani, who surely has never first appeared this low in a Dodgers’ game story, snuck a groundball past a drawn-in Andrew Vaughn to score Hernández and make the score 4-1.

A final run came in the eighth off Tobias Myers, who lives far down the Brewers’ trust tree of relievers. Smith led off with a single; he moved to second on a Muncy walk. Teoscar Hernández moved them both up a base; with Tommy Edman up, the infield once again allowed a groundball to scoot by as they scrunched in with a runner on third.

That would be the conclusion of the meaningful offensive action. As the Dodgers mounted yet another rally in the ninth — they’d finish with 11 hits and four walks — the broadcast reported that Roberts would let Yamamoto at least start the inning, with Alex Vesia warming in case of trouble. There would be no need for Vesia.

William Contreras lifted a hanging slider into center field. Christian Yelich tapped a splitter back to Yamamoto. One out away; only Vaughn stood in the way of his nine-inning masterpiece. As he had all day, Yamamoto dropped a curveball from the sky for strike one. A splitter whiff got him ahead 0-2. Vaughn fouled off another splitter to stay alive. Not good enough. The right-hander needed to end it in style. Here came yet another splitter, this one tailing toward Vaughn’s back foot. Clean whiff; game over. Yamamoto spun around, clapped a couple times, and appeared to mouth “wow,” amazed by his own brilliance.

The series now heads to Los Angeles.





Michael Rosen is a transportation researcher and the author of pitchplots.substack.com. He can be found on Twitter at @bymichaelrosen.

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aviariesMember since 2024
1 year ago

I picked this game to sleep through after pulling an all-nighter, reasoned it would lower my average stress on the day to just see whatever the result was after waking up. Potentially the worst decision I could possibly have made.

aviariesMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  aviaries

Also… the ZiPS game-by-game odds seem to think the Brewers won last night. Might need a fix.

Sleepy
1 year ago

Somewhere, the 2005 White Sox are nodding their LCS heads in approval.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

I can’t believe this doesn’t get talked about more. 44 1/3 of 45 total innings thrown by starters in an entire series. In the 21st century!

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Nobody on this site has banged the drum more loudly than I have when the issue of the use of starting pitchers is discussed. The moment the complete game disappeared can be clearly deduced. It began almost immediately after Johan Santana’s pseudo “no-hitter” in 2012. Thank you, Adrian Johnson. He threw 134 pitches in that game and his arm fell off soon after to a point that he was forced to retire before the season ended at the age of 33. Immediately the game changed and complete games almost disappeared. There were 173 CG’s in 2011. That number dropped quickly to 128 in 2012 after Santana’s breakdown and the number has dropped steadily to the point we are today, reaching a low of 28 in 2024 and 29 this year. This fear of injury has no basis in fact. As recently as 2006 45 pitchers threw 200 innings including six who were 38 or older, Smoltz, Maddux, Johnson, Rogers, Schilling and Moyer. In 2025 there were 3. In 2006 30 men won 15 games, in 2025 there were 7. The coddled pitchers of today are breaking down as frequently as ever, maybe even more so, and all that is happening is good pitchers are throwing fewer innings and lesser pitchers are throwing more. Arms fall off or they don’t and, until someone can prove that the difference between throwing 90 pitches or 115 every five days effects their health and effectiveness more aggressive use of top of the rotation starters can help teams win.

suepat5Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The complete game started disappearing long before 2011.
1975 1052 CG
1985 627
1995 275 (not a full season but 90% of one)
2005 189
2015 104
2025 29

The number one driver of shorter stints by starters is the fact that relievers have finished with a lower ERA than starters every season for the last 50 years.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  suepat5

I have never expected to see anything close to a return to something approaching even 1995 but the debate is as much about innings pitched as it is complete games. In addition to that it is also about who should pitch those innings. In all my comments i make it a point to say that I am talking about top of the rotation starters going deeper, not the chaff that fill the back end of the rotation. I think teams would be better served getting 240 innings from their best, 220 from the #2, 200 from the #3 and virtually none from the likes of Jorge Alcala or Jordan Hicks and all the other denizens of the back end of the bullpen with their astronomical FIP’s and ERA’s.

si.or.noMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

What? You think that before 2012 all starters got equal amounts of innings, regardless of how good they were?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

It was totally out of the blue. Those guys were pretty good but the Dodger 4 are easily better

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
1 year ago

I remember reading a comment on the game 1 article about how we will never see another postseason CG…. And I kind of agreed with it. Life comes at you fast.

It’s been nice to see aces pitch deeper into games this postseason. A refreshing change of pace of the way the game has been trending in the past decade plus.

Anon21Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Yeah, I did say that just yesterday…Yamamoto laughs!

“Coast” is exactly the right word for what the Dodgers did. The first inning briefly made it seem like we’d have a competitive game, but LA wasted no time in getting back in control.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

This is why you pay for top starters. I don’t know that I could classify either Snell or Yamamoto as a “league ace” for various reasons but both of them are elite and can turn in performances that shut down opposing offenses.

If you have them and your opponent doesn’t the playoffs are a whole lot easier. In the regular season, an elite starting pitcher isn’t a huge deal because there are 162 games and at best he will start 33 or 34 of them (and probably less). In the playoffs a single game shifts your whole World Series chances.

And not that it especially looks like it’s going to matter in this series but Snell and Yamamoto should be good to go again later in a 7 game series if needed. Elite starters are more important and get more use.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Your bar for “league ace” is very high! I would absolutely consider Snell and Yamamoto aces.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

I think the only real argument against them is their workloads. Snell has only pitched 130 innings or more in two seasons and Yamamoto was limited to only 90 IP last season. On a rate basis I think they both qualify as aces

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Not as high as Eric! Eric says an “ace” is someone who tops 7 WAR multiple times. He distinguishes that from a #1, which is a player who tops 7 WAR at their peak. But I don’t think any of that is reasonable in terms of modern pitcher workloads. By this standard there hasn’t been a #1 pitcher in MLB since Burnes and Wheeler in 2021, and there hasn’t been an “ace” since Corey Kluber, or maybe even back to when Clayton Kershaw was at his peak.

I typically subscribe to the 5-4-3-2-1 ranking, where a pitcher who puts up 5 WAR is a #1 (and a “league ace”), 4 WAR as a #2, 3 WAR as a #3, etc. With the idea being that this is the sort of rotation you ideally want in the playoffs for exactly this reason.

But I typically don’t call players a #1 anymore because then I have to define everything, so I typically call a #1 a “league ace” to distinguish it from a “staff ace” which is probably just your best starter, no matter how good they are.

I think you could make a pretty strong argument for Yamamoto, since he put up 5 fWAR and his xERA is lower than his FIP. This is also his first year doing it though, I would think projections the projections would be lower on him than other pitchers. Snell certainly can pitch like an ace and he has when he’s been on the mound the last couple of seasons. But he’s had trouble staying healthy and / or throwing strikes. Tough to call someone a league ace when there’s no real expectation that they will even pitch.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would casually define “ace” as a top 5-10 pitcher annually. Basically, an annual Cy Young contender. My definition of a #2 would probably then include your “staff ace” on many teams. I would consider Freddy Peralta generally a good #2, which is one huge reason the Brewers are in trouble here.

drew_willyMember since 2020
1 year ago

Yeah. “Ace” means “one”. Why use “one” to describe a starting pitcher? I’d think on account of him being the best starting pitcher on the team.

Should we think of Snell, Yamamoto, Ohtani, and/or Glasnow as the best starting pitcher on their team? Well, one of them is. It might be hard to discern which.

However, I think we usually use “ace” to mean that the guy in question WOULD BE the best starting pitcher on most rosters if he were to be added to them. Is that true of any of the Dodgers’ starting pitchers? Considering WAR in recent years, maybe not, on account of the workload matter mentioned above. However, on a rate basis (ERA-, FIP-, xFIP-, etc.), I think it reasonable to say that each of Snell, Yamamoto, and Ohtani would be the best starting pitcher on most MLB rosters (16 or more of them). Glasnow might not be; he would likely be one of the two best pitchers on most MLB rosters though. So, maybe we should say that each of Snell, Yamamoto, and Ohtani are aces while Glasnow is among the best #2 starters in MLB.

This isn’t even getting into the fact that both Kershaw and Sheehan look like they’d be a top 3 starter on most rosters. An embarrassment of riches to be sure.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

While this is Yamamoto’s first very good Stateside year, his Japenese track record is great – I’d imagine projection systems would use that information too. His ERA in 2024 was 3.00 – that was the highest of his career.

drew_willyMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

He was very good in 2024. The only negative was his small workload, but he was still worth 2.9 fWAR in those 90IP, good for 39th among SPs with a minimum of 90IP (there were 125 of them).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

More generally, I think that the Brewers are running up against an extremely talented team that happens to employ a set of excellent starters. This sort of small-ball stuff the Brewers specialize in is great but it is hard when you run up against pitchers who get a few more outs because it breaks those long rallies without homers before they really get starter. It’s tough because it’s a pretty good lineup overall, just susceptible to this occasionally because of how they score their runs.

And the pitching is good but Peralta is arguably their best starter and he got hammered, which just happens sometimes when you go up against a deep lineup unless you’re one of the Top 10 pitchers in MLB or so. A few bad breaks and it’s hard to recover.

It’s possible you can get lucky and win a World Series without homers and the best starters but it’s definitely an uphill battle.

Last edited 1 year ago by sadtrombone
mikejuntMember
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

More than anything else, what everyone is running into is that this Dodgers team looked like it was amazing on paper entering the season, but in practice the important parts were literally never healthy all at once.

Now they basically all are except for the expensive relievers, but with so many starters in good shape you have Sasaki and the rest in the bullpen to cover for that.

There was a span this summer where the Dodgers were playing really badly and lost like all but one game over a 2 week span. That period overlapped with when the Brewers really went on their tear and took the best record in the league.

And it happens that they played their entire season series in that span – and the Brewers swept it. That was basically the difference between the Brewers having the best record in the league and not – if they had split the series they’d also have been within a game or two of each other at the end of the year.

In those games, the Brewers looked a lot better than the Dodgers. But it was a long time ago, and a lot of guys were not available.

This Dodger team with everyone healthy and performing is one of the better Dodger rosters in the last decade – and that’s saying something.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I guess, but the Dodgers are never healthy by design. When every starter except Yamamoto on your likely 40-man either is coming off major surgery and / or has had trouble staying healthy in his career you can’t say they didn’t have the team they planned on.

I can go through all of the good reasons why one would expect the default state of the starter to be “injured” and available only for brief spurts: Ohtani, Snell, Glasnow, Sheehan, Kershaw, Sasaki, May, Gonsolin all were likely to miss more time than they pitched. Kershaw, May, and Glasnow pitched more than a reasonable observer would expect, Ohtani and Sheehan pitched about the amount one would have expected, and Snell, Sasaki, and Gonsolin pitched less.

None of this really matters much if you happen to win the division anyway and enough of your best guys are healthy at playoff time, which is exactly what happened.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Right. In past years, several of the Dodgers’ key starters were injured for the playoffs, and they needed key innings from guys like Joe Kelly to save their season. This is a totally different series if the Dodgers are missing 2-3 starters.

mikejuntMember
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Its just sort of the counter-balance to all the years that the guys actually mostly stayed healthy all year, their regular season record was ridiculous, and then they were all hurt in the playoffs.

2018 was very similar to that as well, and then they even played the Brewers in the NLCS.

But that’s the point- the Dodgers tend towards fragile guys with high ceilings in great quantity to offset their potential unavailability, but right now they’re basically all available. And that means they’re a much, much better team than they ever were during the season.

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RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  mikejunt

This is true. And if you had to pick one area to not be healthy it really is those relievers if you can get all the starters they have healthy

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I just don’t see anyone being in the Dodgers’s class, with the Phillies being the closest.

They might not win the WS – I remember the 1988 and 1990 A’s – but they are a lot better than any of the remaining teams

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It’s funny because the lineup looks pretty vulnerable compared to last year, and probably the years before that too. But unlike last year they have got a ton of great starting pitching options. It’s a team as good as the one that won the World Series last year but they’re doing it in a very different way.

mikejuntMember
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I mean this lineup is not really any different than last year’s lineup except that it doesn’t have Gavin Lux in it, and you hated Gavin Lux.

In some ways I would argue that it’s actually better simply because last year Will Smith was clearly playing injured for a lot of the back half of the year and he was not actually an above average offensive player in that state. Ohtani/Betts/Freeman/Teoscar/Smith/Muncy/Edman is the main 7 of both last and this year’s lineups and there are more guys on that list I feel better about this year (Smith, Muncy) than last (Edman).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  mikejunt

They’re hitting worse overall. I suspect most of that is Betts’ illness and Teoscar’s relatively expected ups and downs. It’s still a strong lineup but it’s not the same juggernaut that it was last year.

g4Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

On the Denny Green scale, the first two games definitely feel less about the Brewers and more that the Dodgers are who we thought they were. Exceptional.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  g4

Yeah but you have to keep going through the Dodgers! And whatever other NL team decides to stack a whole bunch of elite pitchers at the moment, the Phillies being the most recent team to do it although they lost Wheeler. The Brewers even had that for a couple years with Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta. And that’s just the NL, although it’s not obvious the Mariners qualify as that sort of roster and the Yankees lost Cole.

You have to find a way to beat those teams because if you keep winning you will face one of them in the playoffs, sometimes more than one. And since lightning isn’t likely to strike a second time for the Brewers and they can’t afford to outbid all the other teams for Ranger Suarez (or really any other desirable starting pitcher) they have to figure out an alternative. They only have room for one additional starter in the regular season anyway, although apparently I think Patrick is more of a starter than the Brewers do. And they’re probably not doing anything crazy soon like trading for Corey Seager to play third base.

You can try to bullpen your way through the playoffs like that and it almost worked in Game 1. But you will need guys whose stuff plays up better in relief than Gasser or Myers or Quintana (and Grant Anderson, for that matter). It didn’t matter in the regular season and he didn’t have a great year anyway, but I honestly wonder if they are missing Devin Williams more than they thought. Or if guys who struggled in 2025 like Williams and Helsley or Kirby Yates would even be interested in the Brewers, they have great pitching dev but they’re not likely to be a full time closer.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dodgers in season results were not as good this year, but everyone is mostly healthy at the right time, and their starting pitching is deep and elite when healthy. Of course Snell could blow up, Yamamoto could blow up, a lot of things could happen. But the way Snell looks right now, him giving up more than 2 runs seems unlikely

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

Now he gets 5 days rest if there’s a Game 6.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

I am thinking that I have been time-traveled back to the game I grew up with. A game in which the top starters were allowed to show the baseball world why they were held in such high esteem. It is the days of Whitey Ford and Allie Reynolds vs, Carl Erskine and Don Newcombe. It is the days of Jim Lonborg and Bob Gibson battling throughout the glorious 1967 World Series. Dave Roberts already has a substantial place in my love of baseball ( I wonder why) and allowing two of his stable of excellent starters to show today’s generation just what top of the rotation stars can really, and actually, do has brought back some fond memories, both of him and the game I remember.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Literally was checking this article for your comment.

There’s also a reason why a guy like Yamamoto was as expensive as he was. Why the Sox gave up a king’s ransom to get Crochet, why the Yanks are spending so many millions for Cole/Fried/Rodon.

111 pitches when there is so little traffic on the bases should be doable by lots of guys. I think, maybe, in a league that values efficiency, being able to get maximum value out of the guys who you’re spending the most on would be something.

I understand the third-time penalty and it is a very real effect. But sometimes a dude is just dealing — maybe it’d be better to let them cook. I think the days of the 160+ pitch CG are gone (and that’s for the best, IMO), but could we see more 110s-120s? Maybe.

I think shifting that mentality is also going to require pitchers to be smart about communicating with training staffs — if something doesn’t feel right, be prudent about it. Get it checked out; better to miss a couple of starts than a season and a half.

booondMember since 2019
1 year ago

I don’t see more CGs coming as the regular season is far different than the playoffs. I’ll be happy with fewer relief games but that might be wishful thinking, too.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago

In the spring, during one of Ben’s chats, I made a bold prediction that the Dodgers would win more games than two out of three of a group of the Rockies, White Sox and Marlins. The stiffs held up there end as the Rockies and White Sox combined for 103 wins. The Dodgers, at the time, and I was completely on board, looked like a super team but injuries, a part of the game that is impossible to predict, derailed them during the season and they failed to reach the high bar that I was expecting. The team that we are watching play now is that super team. Great starting pitching, power throughout the lineup with several true superstars sprinkled in. I thought they had a chance to win more games than the White Sox lost in 2024 but it did not come to pass but the team we are watching now is one that is seldom seen.

KeithMember since 2024
1 year ago

Isn’t Snell the guy who was pulled too early when Tampa was in the series when he was absolutely cruising?

norcalblueMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Keith

not the same pitcher— not even close.

MTfor42Member since 2025
1 year ago

I didn’t see Greg Maddux pitch much in the 1990s, but for some reason he comes to mind as a comp for Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Right handed, not physically imposing, good but not explosive fastball velocity… Yet can carve up a line up like thanksgiving turkey!

I recently joined the FG party with a subscription. Isn’t there a tool on here for historical comparisons? Or is that a baseballreference thing?

puddleMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  MTfor42

That’s a baseballreference thing but it would be nice to have it here too! I know when Dan Szymborski does his annual team projections, he includes each player’s top 3 comps, which is always fun. Yoshinobu’s top comp prior to 2025 was Tom Seaver. Not bad!

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2025-zips-projections-los-angeles-dodgers/

puddleMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  puddle

Reading that list again, it is very amusing to me that these pitchers are in the top 3 comps for the Dodgers starters:
-Randy Johnson (Snell)
-Tom Seaver (Yoshi)
-Bob Gibson (Glasnow)
-Luis Tiant (Ohtani)
-Whitey Ford (Kershaw)

Ho hum.

mikejuntMember
1 year ago
Reply to  MTfor42

Yamamoto throws way harder compared to his peers than Maddux did. I know it doesn’t seem like it, but the guy hits 98 with his fastball.

Maddux did not have ‘can dial it up to elite velocity for a starter if he wants to’ in his toolkit, but he was even more precise. Elite velocity for a starter was different then, but Maddux never had ‘also if I feel like it, I can throw it like Randy Johnson’.

aviariesMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Yama can dial it up to 98, but I would posit that’s probably fairly similar (relative to his peers) as Maddux could hit in his prime. The hardest pitch that a 42-year old Maddux threw in the pitch-tracking era was 88.5mph, there’s no super easy way to extrapolate back but it would make sense to me if he could get up to 93-95 in his prime, which was likely around the same percentile of fastball velo as 98 is today.

I think Yamamoto’s command (while elite) is not quite up to the same level as Maddux, but I actually like the comparison quite a bit. At the very least I think he’s a better answer to who the “modern day Maddux” is than the Kyle Hendricks/Logan Webb/any number of other soft-tossers answers people give.

bigpizzamanMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  aviaries

Yamamoto’s game is very swing and miss centric whereas Maddux was command focused. I think they have very different styles

aviariesMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

Yamamoto gets whiffs I don’t think he pitches with the explicit goal of getting whiffs. He ranks 11th in strikeout rate (min. 200 IP, of 114) the last two seasons and Maddux ranked 17th (min. 400 IP, of 137) during his peak years with the Braves — at least in K rate — from 94-98. They certainly don’t have identical pitching styles but I think it’s very fair to call them similar in approach if still molded by their different eras.